www.saintmark.s... The Koning Gloves from St. Mark historical fencing are a level up in quality hand protection for HEMA longsword and other historical fencing disciplines. Here I take a look at them in greater detail.
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@kevinyang1017 жыл бұрын
"My Königs are going to come one day!" I want this inscribed on my gravestone. I ordered last February, and they're still not here yet. At least from this review, I won't be disappointed when I finally get them.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
My understanding that that they were not being produced until June - anything ordered before that point was pre-order. They are catching up with orders I believe.
@kevinyang1017 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Just got the info that I'm getting them next shipment. My wait is near its end. Apparently the order was cancelled after an overload issue with the system. The hype was unreal back then.
@medievalreview7 жыл бұрын
I've had the Koning for a while now... They are okay, but I'm still looking for that Holy Grail... I certainly like the mobility they offer, but I think they are ideally suited to be paired with ring guards for the longsword. I think we will still see broken fingers with Koning. Also, they have issues for people with large hands. Over time the leather on mine has gotten a few holes, but they have held up okay. I view them as really good for light sparring, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to take them to a tournament right now. All in all, they are a move in the right direction, but the grail is still not found. I'm glad to see they are continuing to work to improve the quality.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
What would you use for tournament fighting?
@medievalreview7 жыл бұрын
For now I'd default to standby design of mitten gloves, because I don't have a feder with a ring guard. I'd 100% wear Koning if I had that. I'm also considering getting some hoof gloves, because I value my ability to change grip, which is my biggest complaint about the mitten styles. I love the Koning gloves, but I love my fingers more.. and that will likely forever be the downside of fingered gloves, because that mobility will also means your fingers can flex in unintended ways... Also, for people who are really good at not having their hands hit, they are probably okay.
@tsoliot59137 жыл бұрын
Medieval Review the new version are better for big hands, I had a very early preorder pair that were stolen and have worn the new ones, and I have giant hands.
@medievalreview7 жыл бұрын
Good to hear, I know it as a common point of feedback on the gloves.
@brendandor7 жыл бұрын
So what you are saying is they need finger mobility limiting?, which does look like the pro gauntlet might achieve through clever articulation, obviously everyone is wondering how they will turn out. However I wonder if simple tension based limiters could achieve the same result on a glove like the koning. So high strength flexible rope/cable/tape in the correct places to stop movement in certain directions but keep the rest of the motion free. I doubt it would fully protect but it could limit the most probable breakage incidences. I only have Red Dragons atm and haven't experienced better gloves (other than some good steel gauntlets), so can't be sure how well this would work.
@teakew82177 жыл бұрын
A couple of notes: Mark I had cognac and burgundy colours. The change is that the outer leather has been made a bit thinner (for mobility), and the palm a bit thicker (for durability). Neatsfoot oil is the best thing I've found for breaking them in and softening the leather. I've been using Mark I gloves for six months or so now, and a few coats of neatsfoot oil have done wonders for the movement, along obviously with proper time to work them. There's also a full (and good) inner Kevlar layer. I took a strong thrust to the inside of the finger last weekend, and it was stopped before punching through my hands. I've had some seriously painful hits, normally when I get caught while halfswording (so the blow hits just one finger). Nothing broken yet, but it can hurt like a bastard.
@aboot27547 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It's so so so helpful to have an experienced fencer actually review gloves. Even though these might not get tons of views, please make more whenever you get the chance. That along with all types of gear. Actually it would be great if you went over all the pieces of gear you wear while sparring longswords, saber, ect.
@wophugus7 жыл бұрын
"The reason for the stiffness is, just simply, the leather."
@emarsk777 жыл бұрын
I got a pair of these (after several months of waiting): - the protection is great - the thumb mobility is meh (it's difficult to thumb the blade) - having just one size is obviously an issue - one of the plates digs into my wrist sometimes - they are quite heavy - here and there between the layers there are thick stitchings and untrimmed pieces of material that are uncomfortable and add to the internal bulkiness - the internal material is quite abrasive on the knuckles. - but most of all, there's way way WAY too much material on the palm. There's the light soft leather you can see on the outside AND a padded glove beneath that. It's good to have padding between the hand and the plates, but on the palm it's just a nuisance. So, though they probably are indeed the best heavy gloves we have at the moment, they do have several issues.
@bobu52134 жыл бұрын
No glove is worse than lobsters.
@blakewinter16577 жыл бұрын
I really like the image of people just walking around with those gloves on, going to work, or going shopping, and wiggling them around.
@bentrieschmann7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, currently I'm using Red Dragons (also just starting). Königs will be my go to gloves if/when I get into heavier sparing/tournaments.
@timkaufman61307 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I've had a pair of the gen 1's since Longpoint. They are my favorite glove right now. I'm not sure I'd recommend them to beginning fencers, especially if you have larger hands, but they are a great glove!
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Cool - out of interest, what would you currently recommend to beginners? Sparring Gloves?
@timkaufman61307 жыл бұрын
For me, a lot of it depends on your training environment. If you just need something basic to protect you from incidental hits in drills then I recommend Red Dragons, and we have a lot of students who are not particularly interested in competing. But, if you have ANY interest in tournament fighting, yet are still new enough that hard hand hits happen, then I recommend the Sparring Gloves, or maybe the SPES Heavies. I used to recommend Blacklance's for everything, but alas they don't exist anymore. I think Sparring Gloves have a large advantage over SPES, but they should be custom sized to get the full benefit of their coverage. Custom sizes can take time, maybe you can get SPES gloves faster... I don't know. I do have a number of SPES gloves at the school, some people like them (I don't). My backup tournament gloves are Sparring Gloves, I used them for a few years, they're great. I also have pre-orders of the Thokk gloves, and the ProGauntlet, so we'll see what happens there...
@timkaufman61307 жыл бұрын
It's also a point to note that my gen 1 Koning's do have a manufacturing flaw. Anders pointed it out to me at Swordfish last year. He offered to get it fixed, but I don't want to be without them for long. I have large hands so the gloves DO bruise me if I get hit hard. Once they come out with a slightly larger size, I'm going to order another pair and send my old ones in to get fixed
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, interesting stuff. I recognise that the Sparring Gloves are still in many ways the benchmark for tournament longsword gloves. Personally I have a pair of the SPES Heavies and literally cannot use them. I can't hold a sword properly with them, let alone fence properly. It seems that they either fit people or they don't and if they don't fit right then they don't work at all.
@timkaufman61307 жыл бұрын
I only know one or two people who have made the SPES gloves work, but they are pretty good fencers. I think the Sparring Glove will continue to be the go-to glove for tournaments for a little while longer. It's also fairly easy to modify to greatly increase it's durability, that's what I did.
@Side85Winder7 жыл бұрын
If they are anything like leather golf shoes i used to use the water protection shoe wax that really gets them soft with out having to do to much wearing them in around the house.
@hedgetwentyfour27087 жыл бұрын
Let's hope the progauntlet will surprise us and is both adequate for longsword as well as supple enough for sabre.
@davenevius63657 жыл бұрын
I used to boffer for fitness (you can't really boffer for authentic technique). I got minor, tiny bruises and little scrapes all the time, and never cared much. But I was forced to quit when the tip of a padded-sword hit the tip of my pinky straight on. It bend my pinky in a weird way... and gave me a near lengthwise spiral of the proximal phalanx.
@ArthurHerbst7 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Matt is doing longsword again! Hope we see some more videos concerning longsword combat. ;)
@Blondiesel7 жыл бұрын
In the event that you needed them quickly, Baseball glove oil might be useful to break them in . Also, oiling the glove and rolling and tossing a ball (a relatively hard ball) from glove to glove. Its the first thing considered when you mentioned the break in period. Maybe it will help someone that's in a pinch to press them into service.
@HercSpeed7 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt make sure to do a follow up video in a few months to a year. I've heard from quite a few people who have the version I Konig Gloves and they all had complaints about the durability, we would all love to see/hear how these improved versions hold up or if that is still an issue, cheers.
@ericnesbitt17347 жыл бұрын
hmmm they are definitely one of the better gloves, but as I understand it the 5 finger sparing glove is cheaper, and I might be biased because I own a pair, but better. My worry for the koning is you can feel medium hits to the fingers, so heavy hits that are more common in tournament fighting may cause damage, recently in a tornament I was in, a fencer wearing konings retired due to getting hit on the hand, his pinky fingers nail was split in half and bleeding, it didn't look like the worst hand wound, but it was enough to make him decide to retire. And I don't blame him, split nails hurt. That said his opponent was hitting hard, But I would argue not so hard to be too hard, the problem is when all the force of a cut lands on one finger. Where as the sparing gloves have a very hard protective resin on the fingers, so you don't feel any pain from medium blows. my only worry from them is the wrist, it sacrifices protection for maneuverability, I've had no issue so far, but sometimes you can feels blows to the inside of the wrist in them. I also don't like the shear size of the koning, although I think it tends to look bigger in videos, as some people in my club own it. And they were smaller than I thought, still big. This may not mean much, as the pair I tried on were not made to my specifications, but they resist your hand movement, it was difficult to close a fist.
@robinburt57357 жыл бұрын
I had a pair of really nice Dainese motorcycle gloves that have all the same qualities as those but they had steel around the fingers instead of plastic.. plus they looked more form fitting to your hand.
@23Scadu7 жыл бұрын
Doreen Green I don't think motorcycle gloves would protect very well against impacts to the sides of the fingers. The reinforcements tend to be only along the knuckles, at least in the ones I own.
@robinburt57357 жыл бұрын
True, it doesn't cover the length of your finger like a plate gauntlet. But they have cool carbon fiber and titanium plates and inserts.
@Liz-vm5ej3 жыл бұрын
I liked the konning gloves originally. Would use my Clubs loaners when sparring. Till it took a good hit to where the thumb meets the hand in them ( the area inbetween the thumb and pointer finger). Was moderate sparring, was not pleasant at the time, and that night it swelled up and was killing me for a week or two. Im at 3 or 4 weeks since that hit, and I still feel this odd pain when thumbing the sword for Zwers etc.
@timmedway64087 жыл бұрын
Nice review, was thinking about getting a pair myself. On the stiffness issue, if it is just the leather, a balsam like Renapur or leather oil/conditioner would help immensely.
@filomenaa7 жыл бұрын
I would personally still prefer the mittens because I feel you need every bit of protection you can get
@PrintableCD19977 жыл бұрын
hey im from Gothenburg!
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Then get your butt to GHFS.
@TheLordArion7 жыл бұрын
+scholagladiatoria I'm from GHFS, it's awesome fun!
@TobiasFriberg867 жыл бұрын
Swords out for harambe.
@MasterGreybeard7 жыл бұрын
Is the "Hulk-Smash"-Move actually allowed in Hema tournaments? or the "five point palm exploding heart technique" ? last time I used it I was accused of beeing a cheater as it's "not what liechtenauer would have done" :D
@Valkiraun7 жыл бұрын
Matt, please keep an eye open for the thokks, they are planned to be a slimmer profile version of Koning's essential;ly, this may somewhat address the issue with the super wide wristpieces.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Yes I'll be very interested to see those when they come out. As with most gloves, my fear will be that they work for longsword or arming sword, but not for sabre, as we need to hold the sword in a different position with the thumb up.
@ianmacdraws33266 жыл бұрын
I thokk that would be the case.
@buckshotbarber83037 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, Now that you're getting back into longsword.. would now be a good time to ask for an indepth video about Fiore and his treatise?
@samprastherabbit7 жыл бұрын
`Great video, Matt! I'm going back to longsword after a long absence & I'm really pleased to hear that the Koning Gloves are holding up to their promise :) Getting cracked on the fingers is awful - investing in good safe gloves is something I'm happy to do. As an aside: How did medieval longsword fencers deal with the risks of hand injuries? They must have had a way to minimise the risk, or perhaps their more full understanding of the longsword techniques & training regimes took it into account... There's no way to answer those questions, btw, I'm thinking out loud but would love to hear your own thoughts on the matter.
@christofferpovlsen19957 жыл бұрын
"if i was to do anything to imprve these gloves ... thats why i mention it at the beginning of the video" *looks at video load bar* almost half way... nice.
@KnightSquire7 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, Did you have any trouble with them rubbing your knuckles? Mine keep causing blisters.
@MisdirectedSasha7 жыл бұрын
Can you fit a thin cotton or linen glove underneath them?
@zaganim38137 жыл бұрын
Putting boxing tape on your knuckles or wearing a light glove does the trick :)
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
I've not had that problem yet.
@The0spetsnaz07 жыл бұрын
For the first couple weeks of breaking mine in I had that problem with many of my knuckles. I wore thin gloves underneath my konings for that initial period of breaking in to avoid that problem, and now it's mostly gone. There's one or two knuckles that can get a little chafed by repeating certain actions, but I'm not feeling raw and worrying about blisters.
@rickansell6617 жыл бұрын
Not a HEMA guy but my experience as a former keen Long Distance Walker is that cotton inner socks(gloves) help. If, like me, you have Hairy Toes (yes, I'm a Hobbit) shaving the top of the toes is a massive help - so if you have even slight hairiness on the back of the fingers, knuckles, and/or hand try shaving the relevant area. Note that there are also products sold for Walking Boots that will speed Breaking In. I'd be cautious about using them on these gloves but if you have problems with Breaking In your gloves or feel the leather needs softening for other reasons (eg. avoiding blisters) they might be worth a look.
@DEUS_VULT_INFIDEL7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if they can break, but knuckles can definitely shatter. Source: I shattered the knuckle of my left pinky when a punch I threw went foul.
@kortetzu7 жыл бұрын
You should do a separate video on your "fiore feder."
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Oh there is nothing interesting about it - it's just a Regenyei feder of slightly shorter proportions than normal.
@matusfekete65037 жыл бұрын
Matt, you call 210 € expensive? Is not cheap (especially in Slovakia), but SparringGloves 5-finger model goes for 190 €. Not that much difference. Love your video, going to spread word about great new product.
@benjaminchen88577 жыл бұрын
What about a hilt add-on that gives you a hand guard? It just has to fit many swords.
@seamusinmusic7 жыл бұрын
age of craft did this along time ago, with steel gauntlets
@DaaaahWhoosh7 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, I don't really need finger mobility for longsword, so I'm considering getting clamshells from sparringglove or neyman. The way I see it, fingers are more trouble than they're worth, so you end up paying more money for less protection.
@Yeknodathon7 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, thanks!
@Evan-rj9xy7 жыл бұрын
10:23 "Not very pleasant and quite painful" *nervous giggle* Matt... Is there something you're not telling us?
@benjaminjohnson69367 жыл бұрын
Matt, have you tried the 5-finger Polish Sparring Gloves? I just received mine and I've only used them so far in a few light sparring sessions with mixed weapons, but they seem to me to be on-par with the Konings for protection. They are also quicker to obtain and are made to your size -- my current problem with the Konings is that I have small hands and the "one size" Konings are just too large for me. I can put my hands in them and move them around, but in sparring they would fly off my hands, which, obviously, is not good.
@the_snobot7 жыл бұрын
How easily can you raise your thumb while holding a sword in those gloves? Thinking of German techniques where you put your thumb on the base of the blade above the guard.
@bdcher017 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. The Saint Mark website does not say anything about first or second generations. Do you know if any new orders will receive the second generation?
@SmellsLikeTeenPoo4 жыл бұрын
Matt seems at little bit prejudiced on this one. I wonder why one does not feel safe in the spes mittens but in these. Especially when a lot of people commenting state hard hits still hurt a lot. Never had this with mittens..
@jordanscribbles65417 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you've ever tried the Sparring Gloves (you're totally right on the name) newer 5-finger model. I got these a while back and I absolutely love them, but I don't see anyone else wearing them at tournaments or putting any reviews up online. They're custom fit, which is great for me because my fingers are way too long to use the original Konig (haven't tried 2nd gen). Even with my longer fingers, the Sparring Glove 5-fingers can fit into my Regenyei sabre without being locked into a hammer fist (still a bit tight). My only complaints are that it's a bit of a pain to get on and off (maybe fudge your wrist size a bit if you order them) and I'm worried about their longevity since the articulated plates and elastic are on the outside without being held together by such a nice leather layer as the Konigs. Can I get anyone's opinion who has tried these and maybe some answers to why they seem so rare in HEMA? Also, to Matt, have you ever considered these as opposed to the hoof or mitten Sparring Gloves?
@TheOhgodineedaname7 жыл бұрын
Do you feel that the shorter fiori blades gives you a disadvantage against more 'endowed' swords?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Yes. A longer sword is of course advantageous. However, not all longsword systems were intended to be used with massive longswords that could not be practically worn as secondary weapons in war.
@Rikitocker7 жыл бұрын
Wondering how these would stand up for Quarterstaff Matt?
@gaiusbrutus71747 жыл бұрын
you look wonderful today
@messylaura5 жыл бұрын
if you had a saber with a larger hilt/grip would those gloves work, speaking from a manuf point of view
@vidensodoacer7 жыл бұрын
What is the size of your Fiore feder? I have a ~86.5cm blade and ~25cm hilt on mine, although I don't study Fiore.
@angelretamar59167 жыл бұрын
Any update on these? How do you find them after some time using the gloves?
@candidcomments2927 жыл бұрын
O.O this video.... im going to my forge tomorrow this has given me an idea i think i can cross the glove and mitten to get both grip and protection. imm gonna make the fingers indepentant to the mitten. the mitten will act as a shell well the finger can repostion under it.
@simondean82137 жыл бұрын
Caleb Lennox You should make a video about the result
@dominicrobertson20557 жыл бұрын
Caleb Lennox it works fairly well, I've done that to my SPES heavy gloves
@muskyelondragon7 жыл бұрын
Good review, nice gloves
@blackdeath4eternity7 жыл бұрын
would you be able to have a free floating plate on the bottom of the wrist to allow for the cuff to move inwards when needed whilst still having the large cuffs for wrist mobility & protection? , i merely thought of it as what i would do if i was making them as soon as you mentioned the problem.
@jerome961147 жыл бұрын
Sparring Gloves like this I do not know, but aren't historical Visby Gloves (and reproductions of them - for example for SCA) basically constructed in the same way, except for the used material (metal -> plastic) of course?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Similar in some ways, yes. A lot more expensive to get replicated though.
@simondean82137 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, would a glove that had a mitten design for the middle, ring, and pinky finger, but a free index finger work well?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Neyman have a glove like that and I know some people really like them. I've never tried one personally.
@Tulkas42427 жыл бұрын
I have the Neyman Thokk gloves, they are what you're describing. I've had them for a couple months now and they work fine. Good protection, ok, but not great, mobility. They work well for longsword or any other open hilted weapon but don't work for saber, rapier, etc. Just remember if you do order from Neyman that they will quote you 30 days from order date as when your order will ship, the reality is about 5 months.
@Anttimation7 жыл бұрын
My main problem with them is that they get ugly scratches and dents. :( Protection and mobility are fine.
@boblake23407 жыл бұрын
Canadian speaking here... ever tried hockey gloves? :)
@MisdirectedSasha7 жыл бұрын
Hockey gloves are designed to protect you against a thick stick, not a thin sword edge. They have little or no protection on the side of the fingers. On them and on laccross gloves, there's a serious risk of broken fingers.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Yes, lots of HEMA people started with hockey gloves and unfortunately lots of people got broken fingers.
@boblake23407 жыл бұрын
I was being a little facetious, but thanks for the informative replies :)
@edumira19017 жыл бұрын
Quick question... what gloves do you use for sabre, rapier, sidesword, smallsword, etc?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Red Dragon for sabre or sidesword - Revival padded leather gloves for rapier and smallsword.
@Gloin797 жыл бұрын
you need a lot less protection with developed hilts
@yukiminsan7 жыл бұрын
What gloves or gauntlets did historical swordsmen use? Can we use those just as well?
@akatsukami95787 жыл бұрын
Would the cuff be a better fit if you were wearing a fencing jacket/gambeson and/or plastic vambraces instead of having bare forearms?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
That doesn't really make any difference to the wrist IMHO.
@starwolf21257 жыл бұрын
Have you seen the reveal of the THOKK gloves by Personal Armor? I'm curious to see how they turn out to be
@CZProtton7 жыл бұрын
It feels to me like it is not enough protection. I have seen much more resistant gauntlets not withstand to the masters of cutting in the Czech Republic. For example, Borek Belfín, the master of Digladior fencing school, strikes really hard with a longsword even on a really short cut. I am not sure those gauntlets would protect from that... Mitten gloves are the way to go, I would say. Covering the fingers will mean not enough protection on them and that will mean broken fingers.
@leviethen7 жыл бұрын
in regards to bullk what about the pro guantlets that are being developed? videos they've shown of them look very slim and just as protective as these
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
I can't really judge from a prototype made to fit an individual. Let's talk again when there is a glove in production to buy.
@JohnDoe-kg4zn7 жыл бұрын
What gloves do you use for sabre? Great video, Matt!
@fraxyv217 жыл бұрын
So these are apparently okay for one handed sword too? Mentioned in the video but I want to hear it again.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
One-handed arming sword, but I find them too big for complex hilts or sabres... Though they may work for some sideswords.
@makesquash7 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of the Thokk weapon master gloves being released soon?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
I have, but as they haven't been released and I haven't seen any or know anyone with a pair, I cannot really comment.
@makesquash7 жыл бұрын
yeah, i'm interested to see how they perform.
@Cookiesdiefrombehind7 жыл бұрын
how smelly do they get? boxing glove smelly?
@LuxTheSlav7 жыл бұрын
Matt, there's also Neyman Inigo Montoya (heavy version) gauntlets, but we all know how you feel about Neyman, don't we.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
The fingers on those gloves are awful, regardless of the manufacturer. There are two types of those gloves in my club and the people already stopped using them.
@LuxTheSlav7 жыл бұрын
I use the light version for sabre, and I find them good with room for improvement. The only other ones feasible for sabre, currently, are Red Dragons, and I find the Neyman Montoyas leaps and bounds more protective, while being only a little more bulky. I will admit though that they need to be really well broken in before they behave properly, which is unfortunate for impatient types.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
But the fingers on the Montoya gloves are *less* protective than the Red Dragon gloves - neymanfencing.com/459/inigo-montoya.jpg - unless you have some special Montoya gloves with new fingers? I have seen two versions of the Montoya glove in my club and both have significantly worse finger protection than the cheaper Red Dragon gloves.
@LuxTheSlav7 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria I have the _light_ version with different fingers, but they're nothing new (actually the very first batch). See other thread with picture. I disagree heartily that the finger protection is worse.
@simondean82137 жыл бұрын
Are hilt strikes and unarmed strikes allowed in Hema? It seems like a punch would hurt less than a 4ft long metal rod.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Yes they are allowed.
@simondean82137 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria Good to know, thanks
@Krkef7 жыл бұрын
When will you post the tods stuff messer?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Soon, soon.
@gavatron19807 жыл бұрын
I actually find the seperate finger gloves like konigs make finger manipulation much harder. With my mitten sparringgloves, my fingers and hand move and hold the grip of my sword pretty much just like if i had no glove on. With individual fingers, they're all separated much much wider than they would be with no gloves (or mitten sparringgloves). I personally see no real advantage to having separate fingers. The only one thing is its easier to let go of your sword with one hand. But i dont do that, i like keeping both hands on my sword 😁😂
@MrLozer17 жыл бұрын
sorry but have you tried ice hockey gloves? Those gloves look a lot like 70's-80's hockey gloves. A lot of protection and flexability. I would think there are many similarities to how you hold a hockey stick and a sword.
@Ulfsark16027 жыл бұрын
You can maybe skate by sparring with synthetics and hockey gloves (if you're lucky), but sparring with steel will result in broken fingers. A lot more force and a lot narrower of an edge to slip through gaps in protection.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Everyone in HEMA used to use hockey gloves and lots of people got broken fingers unfortunately.
@WiseWarriorsPath27 жыл бұрын
i need these
@Dasmaster17 жыл бұрын
Just throwing this out but there should be plenty of theoretical and modern materials that could make a small and dexterous glove for any type of fencing. Granted I dont think they are reasonably available to make said gloves yet but to say its not possible is a really big statement.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
A big statement, but probably correct. Any glove that is made will have to deal with compromises. The compromises for longsword fighting are not the same as you'd choose for sabre fighting.
@Dasmaster17 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria True, they are not the same compromises but it should be possible to design for both, not to mention that it should be possible to create gloves that are insignificant enough that they dont get in the way in any meaningful fashion. Again I am not talking about what is probable or available today on the glove market but what is possible either on a theoretical level or based on what we already have today.
@teakew82177 жыл бұрын
In theory, this is what the Progauntlet will provide - perfect protection, skin-tight fit, etc. On the other hand, they've still not managed to release it.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
And a glove that works perfectly for one individual is not the same as a glove that will work in mass production for all shapes and sizes of hand. I think that their biggest challenge is making that design work for different sizes.
@iamscoutstfu6 жыл бұрын
SPES heavies?
@rufus7296 жыл бұрын
Ive only recently started watching videos on hema and the attire required, so please correct me if im wrong but wouldnt medieval finger gauntlets offer more than enough protection while offering period accurate articulation in the fingers wrist and so forth?
@scholagladiatoria6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately steel gauntlets have fairly poor impact protection on fingers and quite restrict mobility for unarmoured fencing styles. They are also fairly heavy. You can achieve similar or better impact protection for lighter weight against blunt weapons with plastic and foam.
@rufus7296 жыл бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria First of all thanks for replying, i love your videos, im new to this subject, i was not aware gauntlets really had weakness to impacts, and more suprisingly there was unarmoured longsword styles i wrongly assumed it would've been a weapon used in a more heavely armored context. Anyways youve earned yourself another subscriber, thanks again
@midknighttheknight23697 жыл бұрын
have you tried the neyman inigo montoya?
@LuxTheSlav7 жыл бұрын
He's quite negative towards everything Neyman. I own a pair of the light version, and they're fantastic for sabre. Anything without a complex guard, the heavies are more appropriate, and I don't have those.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
I find the fingers woefully inadequate - in my view the much cheaper Red Dragons offer better finger protection. And the rest of the glove is over-built. I cannot even hold a sabre properly with those Montoya gloves and would not trust the finger protection in any case. Your time and money would be better spent modifying a pair of Red Dragon gloves.
@LuxTheSlav7 жыл бұрын
Fair enough, if that's how you feel. My personal experience is that I've never come anywhere close to getting a hand injury in the Montoyas, even in a tournament with steel, while a colleague of mine is constantly weary of getting hit in his RDs for fear of injury. It might just be a difference in mentality.
@SuperDraupnir7 жыл бұрын
Compared to gloves like Koning and Sparring gloves, Neyman gloves feel quite crappy.
@Verithiell7 жыл бұрын
LOL, Matt your personal view gets in the way of reason. Red Dragons are crap lacrosse goves that arent even made for hema (just like evertything else with this ugly red dragon branding). Neymans are far from perfect, but they are at least designed with hema in mind.
@jamesreed55117 жыл бұрын
Has anyone heard the sales price for these?
@Dominator0467 жыл бұрын
210 Euros.
@bijad38547 жыл бұрын
what is the sword that is above the smallsword ? the one with the golden scabbard
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
A British infantry officer's sabre, which belonged to a famous officer.
@TheLordArion7 жыл бұрын
+scholagladiatoria SO jealous 😫
@WolfKenneth7 жыл бұрын
shame they have only one size fits all, i have small hands and those are huge.
@gadyariv24567 жыл бұрын
This maybe a silly question, but still: why would there be a need to invent new technologist for modern equipment for using historical weapons. why not use historical equipment? if the purpose of HEMA is recreation of historical martial arts, wouldn't it make sense to use the equipment used when long swords were used? did they fence with gloves in the 16th century? if so why not just copy those the same way the swords used in Hema are based on historical swords.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Because we don't know how those gloves were constructed.
@DoktorWeasel7 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure the equipment such as gloves is as well known. Also they seem to have both accepted more physical risk and limited their techniques in sparring. Meyer for example which is a bit later and more geared towards sporting context than combat, famously doesn't have a whole lot of thrusts compared to earlier longsword styles. Most likely because of safety concerns. And I think modern HEMA for the most part wants to replicate unarmored combat, not period sparring so much.
@teakew82177 жыл бұрын
1) We don't know how they did protection, and just because they did it doesn't mean it was *good* 2) We do know that they were more accepting of disfiguring or fatal injuries than we are. There's an English joke about how you can recognise a fencing master because he's missing an eye and several teeth, along with plenty of fechtschule accounts about serious injuries or even the odd death. 3) We also know that they often fenced with conventions or rules to increase safety, and it's considered useful by most people in the community to be able to practice things like powerful cuts at the hands, or thrusts at the face. In short, historical techniques plus historical equipment means the historical result - death. We aren't willing to accept that, so we need to either modify the techniques (this is how UK re-enactment is generally kept safe) or the equipment (this is how HEMA generally ensures safety).
@OGDamnnation7 жыл бұрын
How's the feel when holding a sword?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Good.
@OGDamnnation7 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria that's good because in the video the palms look really padded
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
No they are relatively thin leather.
@OGDamnnation7 жыл бұрын
scholagladiatoria cool. I'm sick of using hockey gloves. Now that I've seen these Ima have to pick a pair up
@kyleflanagan9637 жыл бұрын
Obviously the gloves are not out in any respect yet, but do you have any thoughts about the ProGauntlet? Other than the fact that they're taking a ridiculous amount of time? :P
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
The prototype looks great, but I have no idea if they can make it into a production glove. I don't see how the sizing will work with such a detailed design for all the differently sized and shaped hands in the world. But they have great brains, so hopes are high. I hope they can do it.
@kyleflanagan9637 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I really want it to work. I think that if it could theoretically work it would raise the standards for HEMA gloves all over, but the sizing issue is my biggest worry. I almost feel like they'd have to take an impression of everyone's hands who want one and custom make the glove to fit those hands. That being said, I REALLY want them, if for no other reason than to feel like a sword-fighting Iron Man.
@TonyLamb7 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, I'm looking to order a set, tried a friend's pair last week and they are awesome, how long did they take to ship? Because if was three months I might buy two sets.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Shipping times seem to vary a lot for people - I suggest you contact them directly and ask the ETA.
@korrariding6527 жыл бұрын
i have a friend who's been waiting for around 4-5months i believe
@TonyLamb7 жыл бұрын
K Riding thanks, something to consider, I think it's one of the more annoying aspects of hema, the back log for the decent kit.
@Panzervagon7 жыл бұрын
Jeeze, at that price I'd probably just buy a pair of hourglass gauntlets.
@Ken197007 жыл бұрын
Looks like the padding is on the palm side.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
It isn't.
@Ken197007 жыл бұрын
Just an optical illusion.
@davidbriggs2647 жыл бұрын
You just talked about gloves, could you talk about masks? (If you haven't already, that is.)
@LaoHQ7 жыл бұрын
am i the only one having problems with the plates? some of them are really pushing against my knuckles making my hands' movements really uncomfortable i have the newest version btw
@MichaelGThomas7 жыл бұрын
Yes. Mine are scraping the skin away where they make contact.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Mine felt like that at first, but after a couple of weeks they were fine. I think what helped with my gloves was 'crunching' them as much as possible - twisting, bending, screwing, bashing.... Just basically flexing them in every way possible.
@teakew82177 жыл бұрын
You can push the plates around inside the leather to help adjust that.
@timmedway64087 жыл бұрын
LaoHQ Is there no room for an liner glove?
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
If your hand was a lot smaller than the glove, maybe, but that would be like wearing two pairs of socks. You'd lose most sense of feeling.
@aanler7 жыл бұрын
Just use metal gauntlets? :)
@PandaKnight527 жыл бұрын
aanler metal gauntlets whilst protective pose a risk to your opponent. if your fighting as opposed to bouting then Fine use what you can to hurt your opponent and survive the fight, but when bouting in tournaments or sparring one doesn't want to break friends. You can't play with your friends if you break them.
@scholagladiatoria7 жыл бұрын
Most historically accurate steel gauntlets don't allow you to fight in an unarmoured way, as they restrict movement. They are also fairly heavy, expensive (if well made) and in some cases don't protect from blunt force very well - they are designed to protect from cuts and thrusts, not blunt force to the fingers (with the exception of mitten gauntlets, which are much more restrictive).
@arpioisme7 жыл бұрын
how to break in those faster: do pugilism
@Sintrael117 жыл бұрын
Has anyone told you that you look like Solas? goo.gl/LEjMnV