Scientists Say NYPD Forced Them To Fake DNA Tests
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8 жыл бұрынScientists say the NYPD has forced them to alter the results of many tests to favor the prosecution. Steve Oh, Wes Clark Jr., and Malcom Fleschner, hosts of the The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.
"Scientists Shannon Morris, Melissa Lee and Kevin Rafferty are suing the crime lab that they were fired from at New York State police department. When the two tried to correct errors they saw in the lab, they say they were silenced and others retaliated against them because the errors were working out in their favor to garner more prosecutions.
The department was working to implement a computerized DNA analysis system called TrueAllele which would guarantee results of the tests are correct. But because of pressure from the police to get more convictions, the use of the system was scrapped.
Their attorney John Bailey explained, “there are people that are very pro-prosecution. They were putting pressure on scientists to reach conclusions that were not scientifically valid. That’s what my clients were objecting to.””*
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@reerbaadia1896 8 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't this discovery render every DNA evidence in this city invalid
@RezzaNL 8 жыл бұрын
+TheHumbled It should and retested by another lab.
@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII 8 жыл бұрын
Yes
@junelawson5719 8 жыл бұрын
+TheHumbled It would certainly be grounds for an appeal, I think.
@Scarletraven87 8 жыл бұрын
Minority Report much.
@walkertongdee 8 жыл бұрын
+TheHumbled Only if the justice system were interested in truth, but that lady with the scales of justice is a lying bitch.
@alim3611 8 жыл бұрын
dirty cops ? surprise surprise
@leoneclan9791 8 жыл бұрын
In new york no less.
@SmartK8 8 жыл бұрын
Cops: We can't do our dirty work with them dee-an-ay tests. Let's fix em'.
@Gada101 8 жыл бұрын
+Jesus of Nazareth "Stfu" very christ like LOL
@RezzaNL 8 жыл бұрын
That is messed up. Those poor people imprisoned by organized crime.
@1loveland974 8 жыл бұрын
The guy at the start bungled this whole explanation
@Gr8rgamer 8 жыл бұрын
+CalPaxin You mean the explanation that they may have not done what they were locked up for but they're guilty of something. They are especially guilty of not being rich, because rich people rarely get convicted of anything. It happens so rarely that it makes national news.
@ladifinesse8143 8 жыл бұрын
+Gr8rgamer the guy messed up explaining what the story was about by tripping over his words at the start of the video thats what CalPaxin was saying.
@Henbot 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah he really bungled it, was so bad and crappy
@o-renishii3653 8 жыл бұрын
+CalPaxin Yet most aren't afraid to snitch on this so called "deadliest gang" or disrespect this gang to their face. The irony.
@1loveland974 8 жыл бұрын
O-Ren Ishii what are you trying to say?
@cizlerable 8 жыл бұрын
This dude is not qualified to be an anchor. You need to be able to talk.
@judyleasugar97 8 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this falls in line with the police attitude, that guy may not be guilty of this but you know he's guilty of something.
@loki2240 8 жыл бұрын
Lots of conservatives think that way.
@b3at2 8 жыл бұрын
Oh the NYPD corrupt? no waaaaaaaay!
@Metonymy1979 8 жыл бұрын
No way! Corruption on every level of the judicial system? There is no way that could happen because the system is perfect.
@electriccerix 8 жыл бұрын
The crime lab should be completely isolated from everyone else (police, prosecution and defense staff). They shouldn't know any information about what the case, the people involved, etc. There should also be a second lab that is isolated from the first lab and both should run their analyses at the same time. This would also help to identify scenarios where evidence is unintentionally contaminated by lab workers.
@GBart 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah why the hell isn't it already
@DorianGrayClampitt 8 жыл бұрын
Two labs would be extremely expensive, but you are correct on the first part. The police should have no knowledge of who works in the lab, as it should be a different entity.
@TykoBrian7 8 жыл бұрын
+electriccerix yeah just like juries.
@bens.664 8 жыл бұрын
+Dorian Gray Clampitt perpetual war is expensive too, we have no problem paying for that every single day
@junelawson5719 8 жыл бұрын
+electriccerix Or we could just eliminate bias in favor of prosecution by adopting an inquisitorial justice system, making justice more likely overall.
@lukea997 8 жыл бұрын
Sorry the main guy is fumbling his words a lot hopefully thats just pressure and will go after a few videos :)
@newdrew2744 8 жыл бұрын
Same! I got irritated and just started to read the discription instead.
@genie0390 8 жыл бұрын
+Luke Austin he hasn't yet mastered the art of lying as most "commentators" at TYT
@lukea997 8 жыл бұрын
genie0390 Aha they don`t all lie some are worse than others, when opinion gets into the story's the truth is sometimes shrouded in doubt
@genie0390 8 жыл бұрын
***** The main Turk lies like a sidewalk
@LTrotsky21stCentury 8 жыл бұрын
+Luke Austin Actually he's a producer at TYT, has been for years.
@EdwarioERS 8 жыл бұрын
NYPD making Johnny Cochran's OJ case sound plausible.
@humboldthammer 8 жыл бұрын
+EdwardERS OJ was acquitted.
@jay2k981 8 жыл бұрын
Corrupt police? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
@Dominationindustries 8 жыл бұрын
Here's your reply boy.
@Akid0Kag3 8 жыл бұрын
+Expunisher SUPERINTENDENT. I'm sorry, the nerd came out of me. Haven't seen him in a long time.
@Dominationindustries 8 жыл бұрын
Akid0Kag3 Just "keep it clean" citizen.
@omnia001 8 жыл бұрын
Took me energy to really keep up with what the first guy was saying
@duchessofdissent5728 8 жыл бұрын
This happens more than the general public knows. I live in a town one-tenth of the size of New York. In the 80's & earlier 90's, we had a crooked medical examiner who would call the DA and ask what he needed the medical evidence to say. He never preformed the autopsies. John Quinones interviewed him & he had body parts in his family refrigerator. It is also not uncommon for DA to hide evidence. DA's are under pressure from media, the public, the Judges and police to get convictions. They forget their duty is to see justice is served not racking up conviction rates. A large portion of exonerations are from exculpatory evidence which DA failed to disclose. But make no mistake the system isn't broken, it works exactly like they want it. When Judges & DA's see themselves on a team against the defense attorney & the defendant, it will never change.
@manospondylus4896 8 жыл бұрын
Who else had to think of Making a Murderer?
@kt-tv1fan588 8 жыл бұрын
Not me
@josephkerr7820 8 жыл бұрын
L&O episode, Myth of Fingerprints
@MikeHarrison3266 8 жыл бұрын
If a cop on the street is happy to lie to get an arrest why would it stop there. The system is corrupt and stacked against the citizen, it has to be to financially support itself. Do not ever expect true justice.
@titusorelius9458 8 жыл бұрын
This is why I shed no tears when the news reports a cop died.
@BlueSmokie 8 жыл бұрын
+Irving Ceron im not sorry at all for not caring for cops that protect police like these and others that are willing to kill 7 year old children in there sleep. the cops are a legal gang!
@firecage7925 8 жыл бұрын
+simone4447 Oh sure, generalize them all. The majority of them aren't that crappy. Note, I said majority, not most. The majority of cops are just people like you or me, trying to do their job, trying to make a salary, trying to build a life for themselves. Unfortunately it is the system of police departments itself which is flawed and churns out bad cops at a high rate.
@BlueSmokie 8 жыл бұрын
Firecage remember when it was only a few rotten apples, now your saying a large percentage? ill just wait, in time the new saying will be they're all bad
@firecage7925 8 жыл бұрын
A large percentage can even be 10% or 30%. It depends how you define a large percentage.
@Aeroldoth3 8 жыл бұрын
+Firecage The majority of cops may not do crimes, but when they cover up and/or refuse to take action against the bad cops, they become culpable.
@Mephistahpheles 8 жыл бұрын
It's crazy that Steve Oh's idea "...blind testing..." isn't already standard practice.
@R0ckG1r7 8 жыл бұрын
Truly, this is the dark age of the law...
@prettyprudent5779 8 жыл бұрын
Who are these guest hosts? I am bored to my DEATH!
@tumbox9204 8 жыл бұрын
+Pretty Prudent Their names are in the description, look them up.
@matthewnunyabusiness5085 8 жыл бұрын
+Tumbox I dont want to look them up because they are boring as hell
@frarruzwashington4708 8 жыл бұрын
+Pretty Prudent they're just terrible. the lead is distractingly not fluent
@Demetrios1975 8 жыл бұрын
The new anchor looks like he could deliver a devastating headbutt
@chrisarias4055 8 жыл бұрын
The weekend crew is pretty terrible.
@magisterartium 8 жыл бұрын
+Chunk Oooger Lol you have the most retarded favorite videos ever. And stop fantasising about Cenk.
@demi7913 8 жыл бұрын
+Chris Arias This is an old video
@dazmin100 8 жыл бұрын
+Chunk Oooger What do you mean 'too' you should spend times watching things that don't make you angry, it is such a perverse thing to do.
@angelicsoulz 8 жыл бұрын
Ok...so how many other police departments are involved in the same practices?
@josephkerr7820 8 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the L&O episode, Myth of Fingerprints. The point is, we don't really know enough about Fingerprint and DNA analysis to be able to say whether it's accurate or not. Furthermore, we don't really know enough about the people interpreting the tests to say whether they're biased or not.
@melodytigress 8 жыл бұрын
The testing labs need to be separated from them and anonymous. With binary coding maybe. To make "tampering" harder for these crooked police officers and anyone else to do this.
@saulramirez9852 8 жыл бұрын
I hate when people all the time just say 'scientist' can we just for once name the exact type of science
@harpodjangorose9696 8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. "Scientist" is such a random qualifier. There's no degree required to apply the term, so it could be anything from a CERN engineer to an astrologer who plots the pre-existing data done by astronomers. Any flunky screwing up your prescriptions at the pharmacy can be called a scientist.
@TheBonzobonzo 8 жыл бұрын
the cops always do this! if they can't find the culprit they force the innocent to suffer!! they have always done it! this is why the death penalty needed to be made illegal!
@colvincrew420 8 жыл бұрын
this guy needs more practice speaking. .lol
@jacknorton7717 8 жыл бұрын
Which one?
@SpankinDaBagel 8 жыл бұрын
+Jack Norton That one.
@AndTheCorrectAnswerIs 8 жыл бұрын
Failure to report the unlawful misconduct of another police officer should be a felony. Police accused of criminal acts should be tried by independent State or Federal prosecutors, and investigations handled by the State Police, or FBI...not their own department's internal investigators.
@JamesJones-yl2cx 8 жыл бұрын
why are people still surprised when this shit happens constantly?
@SinjiKazama 8 жыл бұрын
Long time no see Steven Oh!
@Thumbs_up_ 8 жыл бұрын
The labs should have the same protection and anonymity as jurors have. They testify the same way as witnesses and are judging part of the crime.
@samuelmorkbednarzkepler 8 жыл бұрын
I sometimes make comments for no particular reason.
@samuelmorkbednarzkepler 8 жыл бұрын
Dankk13 I thought about it and then I decided. Nah, better not.
@humboldthammer 8 жыл бұрын
+Samuel Mork Bednarz And six people liked it so far.
@OkDanOk11 8 жыл бұрын
+Samuel Mork Bednarz you should reconsider
@samuelmorkbednarzkepler 8 жыл бұрын
Dankk13 You should try some yoga. Get an ice-cream or some shit. Chill out.
@walterliggins7751 8 жыл бұрын
Really !? are a lot of you really so involved in judging the anchors delivery of the story. That you are glossing over the substance of it. He just told you in so many words that their may be hundreds of wrongfully convicted people in prison. And the first thing you can think of is how he read the story. Not the substance of it. Sad truly sad
@pR1mal. 8 жыл бұрын
"Trust the Police". Yeah, right.
@cosmodious1755 8 жыл бұрын
"He chopped the little girl up into 18 pieces then he ate her liver" He thought of that way too fast...
@FootballAction123 8 жыл бұрын
Wtf since when does corrupt police exist I've never heard anything like this in my life
@fleancegauat7448 8 жыл бұрын
Since many years ago
@FootballAction123 8 жыл бұрын
+Fleance Gauat I was being sarcastic
@mantisnomore9091 8 жыл бұрын
The problem with using a blind testing service is that it would be much more expensive. If you don't know which results to fake, you have to run many more real tests. Also, the defense would gain access to the same facilities as the prosecution (in the rare cases when they can find a way to afford it.) The status quo court system will never allow this to happen.
@steve112285 8 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Duke Lacrosse case, where DNA evidence showed that none of the lacrosse players had sex with the alleged victim, but the prosecutor asked the crime lab to withhold that information from their report. This allowed the prosecutor to continue with the case, though all the evidence was on the side of the defense.
@totilsom 8 жыл бұрын
"Scientists that work at a lab in NY.." Couldnt be more vague
@TheBandaid7777 8 жыл бұрын
At every hospital I have worked at, if you are thought to be intoxicated (on anything) and upper management has resonable suspicion, they can ask for the appropriate lab tests to be obtained (blood or urine). Refusal, usually indicates guilt and loss of job. However, when these tests are obtained, they are sent to another lab in a different area of the state (blind testing) names are not used, only security codes. In the last 15 years, I have seen staff members both lose theirs jobs and keep their jobs, I have never seen a guilty staff member keep their job, unless they admitted to having a problem immediately in which case at least one facility I worked at had a policy that would send this person to rehab for X amount of months and let them work day shifts with restrictions. In the case of a police crime lab, I feel as though, at least high profile evidence should be secured and tested at another facility under a security code, not a persons name.
@mightymate9650 8 жыл бұрын
Law enforcement would never accept a system that their not in full control of.
@pmyou2 8 жыл бұрын
The example of 'the guy chopped the body into 18 pieces and ate the liver' is ridiculous. It is not the nature of most cases. And this seems to be happening more than the one case of this magnitude that occurs every ten years. There is ongoing pressure on multiple cases. Furthermore, if the evidence does not show that suspect is guilty, then faking results willingly lets the real killer go while punishing the wrong person. That is not merely dumb. It is evil.
@aliv6321 8 жыл бұрын
What's scary to me is that most DNA tests a very simple to achieve, You would need to do something completely wrong to actually falsify data.
@NubianTribesman 8 жыл бұрын
I hope they re-do this story. it deserves more attention.
@loganladue2 8 жыл бұрын
Reason why Bernie Sanders wants to fix that
@houlepn 8 жыл бұрын
I nearly missed this video because although it showed up in the list of recommended videos on the KZfaq home page, when I rather look at the complete list of videos of the TYT channel to see what was recently added, it doesn't show up at all. I wonder how many new TYT videos I am thus missing because they aren't part of any list.
@MoY206 8 жыл бұрын
I notice sometimes the feed vs tyt home could also have different picture of the video and hence may sometimes lead to not finding the video any easier. From my experience.
@ianbevis701 8 жыл бұрын
i think if it turns out that you wrongly prosecuted a person you should spend the same amount of time that the innocent man or woman spent in prison
@marcoantonio7469 8 жыл бұрын
Bad police, bad! Sue them to hell!
@lightkingz 7 жыл бұрын
Sadly this isn't an isolated problem that has happened, the prosecutor, judges and public defense always tends to pressure defendants to take a plea deal or have the lab put the finger on the scales there's even judges and prosecutors that will over charge people or over sentence someone so that they can send them to a private prison because the more people they send and the longer they stay the bigger the kickback they receive
@EvaGreenFanPennyDreadful 8 жыл бұрын
Where is Batman when you need him? Lol
@SamStam12 8 жыл бұрын
Are cops ignorant? Any case that that lab handled is now fair game. Victims and and actual perpetrators are now to go free.
@danbauer3669 8 жыл бұрын
arrested = guilty
@CrobatmanIamthenight 8 жыл бұрын
Are we really surprised anymore? america at some point were all just gonna be sick of your shit and somethings going to happen.
@orthodium 8 жыл бұрын
How about we throw these corrupt cops behind bars and throw away the key? If only we had a politician that would be willing to actually defend the law... oh that's right, Bernie Sanders 2016!
@SharpestBulbs 8 жыл бұрын
Nice. This was the big fear when they started using DNA. Glad to see these cops were taking notes.
@allanbaker7247 8 жыл бұрын
Has this guy ever read anything outloud before?
@TigerTT 8 жыл бұрын
And this is why people make riots about the NYPD.
@LM4277 8 жыл бұрын
Or why they call black protests "riots." To justify rolling tanks and riot police to attack citizens for demanding justice or a solution for shit like this.
@user-tu4mn7bh5e 8 жыл бұрын
crime has always been a buisness in new york,they should have a menu in every courthouse in new york you can pay your way out most crimes In ny.The poor and lower midlle class are hearded like cattle for profit.
@itsYassir 8 жыл бұрын
free my nigga steve avery!
@isaiah_wilson 8 жыл бұрын
The system has already taken more than half is life. Don't just free him, give him at least 25 million 🤔
@walexander8378 8 жыл бұрын
+DubstepinWithSmoke ...yes. You already pay for stuff like that. You just don't know it. Chicago alone had to pay 87 million in lawsuits last year because of police. That's just Chicago. the average for wrongful conviction lawsuits is about 4 million, by the way.
@xadam2dudex 8 жыл бұрын
the legal system doesn't care about justice or truth they care about convictions to make the DA and police look like they are tuff on crime ....it also helps the prison industry
@ge45ge 8 жыл бұрын
have a second DNA checker at varies locations in the country do the second test, this would put the end to cheating on the test and loosing their license and prison time.
@ting280 8 жыл бұрын
i feel like instead of addressing the million and one actual issues with law enforcement the gov just sets aside about $2billion or so for lawsuits. at this point doing that is probably way cheaper then training them to actually serve and protect properly.
@MarkDe94 8 жыл бұрын
if this turns out to be true, everyone in jail in new york should be freed
@treym6250 8 жыл бұрын
+Mark D lol. The purge >:P
@iFaFo_0 8 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't Steve Oh come to tyt as much anymore? First time I have seen him on in like a year.
@eddy-nd7nh 8 жыл бұрын
why doesnt this surprise me...
@CommunityServesUs 8 жыл бұрын
That new dude looks like the dad of the guy from "Love" on Netflix
@leahalexander7011 8 жыл бұрын
Blind Testing would be the Best, as said.
@matthewsjuwon 8 жыл бұрын
A Police department doing something shady????........... You don't say 😂😂😂
@PaularisingOpinion 8 жыл бұрын
I thought Cenk had a cold until I switched back to this tab
@randybm95 8 жыл бұрын
(Gangsters )=Cops and (Mob Bosses )=Lawyers (.,i,,)= digital middle finger.
@ThomasWBaldwin 8 жыл бұрын
pigs. courts=thieves. lawyers= thieves, cops = thieves.
@joebaumgart1146 8 жыл бұрын
THATS IT WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE POLICE FORCE AND HIRE BATMAN INSTEAD!
@TheFireflyGrave 8 жыл бұрын
Assuming this is true; thank you to the whistle-blowers putting their careers and reputations on the line for justice.
@fulaan1 7 жыл бұрын
The labs should be independent
@CowboyRocksteady 8 жыл бұрын
let's get this guy some reading and/or speech classes
@Fundijones 8 жыл бұрын
Heads are going to start to roll
@suncloud1701 8 жыл бұрын
from day 1 hard a deeply rooted culture, all politicians run scared if the police
@mariaav887 8 жыл бұрын
Um the video is on mute or something can't hear anything??
@AaronParker1977 8 жыл бұрын
These police officers should be imprisoned for life.
@beastmode3673 8 жыл бұрын
steve-ooooo
@salenebrom6476 8 жыл бұрын
How many cases are going to have to be retried
@WarDon561 8 жыл бұрын
Wes? Malcolm? WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!!!?
@randzopyr1038 8 жыл бұрын
KZfaqrs: Is it at all possible that not everything is a massive conspiracy? As someone that has studied political science (read: how to create a survey) I can tell you that slightly different worded requests yield vastly different answers. Also it is not uncommon to find that management at these types of institutions require a quota (in this case DNA in favor of the prosecution) because they wrongly fear a loss of state funding or state contract if they continually find against the state.
@Fitz710 8 жыл бұрын
steve oh making an appearance on the main show aw yeah
@lukekoleas3378 8 жыл бұрын
This is why Bane is my favorite super hero
@harpodjangorose9696 8 жыл бұрын
lol. My fave is the guy with the gas can from Reservoir Dogs.
@dodopoopinpoop 8 жыл бұрын
Never thought I would say this but every bad cop or kid or bigot should see Zootopia. They talked about shit just like this, to not judge a book by its cover and it relates to our world so well.
@Ayvee1138 8 жыл бұрын
That was a great movie
@marcusjefferson1024 8 жыл бұрын
TYT pleeeaassee, I beg of u..never..ever..have this gentleman read, voice or cover a story again. The majority of viewers were lost after his first sentence.
@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP 8 жыл бұрын
+Christopher Jefferson the man didn't even bother to verify pronunciation of an unfamiliar word before going on air, or on tape
@kbrangham 8 жыл бұрын
More Steve Oh!
@chrispope3777 8 жыл бұрын
Not surprise by this at all.
@MusicforSweetyinSD 8 жыл бұрын
Can't get past his "uh...uh....uh...?
@eveofneverland 8 жыл бұрын
AYYYY MALCOLM FAMMMM WHATS UP MY NIGGA I NEED A FAVOR
@garyjones5272 8 жыл бұрын
The system rewards prosecutor's by simple math. Number of wins and length of prison terms.
@jarronwilliams7227 8 жыл бұрын
STEVE OH! I havent seen him in so long
@IsrealRose3rd 8 жыл бұрын
oh they'll find a reason for why it was OK for them to do.. I'm about to move my family to Canada, this place is getting so Fuckin crooked.
8 жыл бұрын
Life in the third world is tough.
@SP025 8 жыл бұрын
it is really sad but this and worst have been going on
@Serahpin 8 жыл бұрын
This so makes me glad I live in Oregon and not New York.
@draconis4403 8 жыл бұрын
+Serahpin Makes me want to move to Canada.
@Serahpin 8 жыл бұрын
draconIs Great, just don't move here.
@draconis4403 8 жыл бұрын
Serahpin Been there done that, stay away from "Methford". LOL XD
@redriot8867 8 жыл бұрын
Science must be concise and objective it should not have preference over any independent case, all cases r equal, there's always a murder, there's always an abduction, u cannot prioritize one over the other.
@TheWayIRage 8 жыл бұрын
Gotta make that private prison money 💵 $$
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