The bad Grass-types - Sunflora vs Jumpluff - Pokemon Crystal

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@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 26 күн бұрын
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@hbkboyhbk
@hbkboyhbk 26 күн бұрын
Ok…
@acdcljb
@acdcljb 25 күн бұрын
Still not sure why you edit on Mac but record on PC.
@raulnatokapa
@raulnatokapa 26 күн бұрын
If Scott ever reads this, I wanna cofess I always thought the "girlfriend" thing was a regular joke channel, since I was in the beggining of the channel, but then became reality and he is actually married with cats too. Thats what I call character development lol.
@rontheauraknight9606
@rontheauraknight9606 26 күн бұрын
To be fair when he was starting it sounded like an joke cause he’d overemphasize it lol
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 26 күн бұрын
It appeared like all other memes on the channel. I just said something I thought sounded normal, mentioning my girlfriend, and then I got comments mentioning it. I realized how it looked: a grown man playing a kids game talking about his “girlfriend” and I thought that was funny if I just leaned into it. By the time I was getting married I still think there was some level of doubt that she existed haha
@frostbite2890
@frostbite2890 26 күн бұрын
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Your "girlfriend" that we wouldn't know because she's from Canada, right?
@arnepieters8330
@arnepieters8330 26 күн бұрын
Isn't Scott Canadian as well?
@XXXSamuraiX
@XXXSamuraiX 26 күн бұрын
​@@arnepieters8330that's irrelevant
@nicholaskling2425
@nicholaskling2425 26 күн бұрын
Small correction. Vileplume has a base 100 Special Attack. The only grass type with a higher special attack than Sunflora is Exeggutor
@melindamuller4466
@melindamuller4466 26 күн бұрын
It does have 110 now, but by todays standard, there's a few more that beat it now as well; excluding Megas, it's Vileplume, both Exeggutors, Hydrapple, Roserade, Maractus, Arboliva, Sinistcha, Shaymin-Sky, Cacturne, Tangrowth, Liligant and Scovillain.
@nicholaskling2425
@nicholaskling2425 26 күн бұрын
@@melindamuller4466 in the video he specifically mentioned that there was only 1 grass type in GS with a higher special attack. In GS, that Pokémon is Exeggutor, not Vileplume
@melindamuller4466
@melindamuller4466 26 күн бұрын
@@nicholaskling2425 Yeah, I know, I was agreeing with you 😅
@PegasusPablo
@PegasusPablo 26 күн бұрын
Man, Sugimori's art is so organic and gorgeous!
@SJtheMFZB
@SJtheMFZB 26 күн бұрын
They're charming, though, you have to admit. Most of Gen 2's Pokémon offset their abysmal stats with designs enticing you to use them anyway. That's how I can even recall shitters like Ariados. Johto's a funny little farm.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 26 күн бұрын
Yeah definitely a charming pair!
@TheModdedwarfare3
@TheModdedwarfare3 25 күн бұрын
Ariados is probably my 2nd favorite design from gen 2. Obviously Scizor is #1
@Xanthelei
@Xanthelei 13 күн бұрын
This was little kid me, convinced that Skarmory was good actually because how can something that cool looking not be good? He's still one of my favorite gen 2 pokemon today. Someday I'll have s game where I can shiny hunt one early on and find out just how bad he really is lol.
@francescganau7679
@francescganau7679 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff is a relic of its time. When different typings had different playstyles. When variety, status and other Grass-type trickS were seen as valid options intrinsic to the type rather than gimmicks while you wait for them to learn the standard STAB move a la Energy Ball, Petal Blizzard or the likes. When typings had personalities. I love Jumpluff. With synthesis, u-turn, sleep powder and bounce it trolled over all of Johto and Kanto in my first time ever in Johto, in HGSS back in 2009. Old times…
@francescganau7679
@francescganau7679 26 күн бұрын
I am so sad Sunflora is so terrible. Sunkern’s adorableness and bad stats deserve much more upon evolution. In the style of Beldum or Magikarp or Ralts, it would be great if it evolved into something cracked (a Grass-type with huge stats). It would be extremely cool and flavorful to design a lame plant like Sunflora that happened to have some buffed stats. In the style of Azumarill’s gargantuan, unsuspected Attack or something
@dvillines26
@dvillines26 26 күн бұрын
I dunno, Jumpluff is REALLY fun in Scarlet/Violet. you get Hoppip early and with some exploring you can get good TMs, plus forgetting and remembering moves on the go means you can tweak its moveset for whatever you need. Screen-setter, Weather-setter, Leech Seed Tank, Baton Pass Swords Dance, Charm/Cotton Spore debuffer, Sleep Powder terrorist, etc.
@mimiccave
@mimiccave 26 күн бұрын
I know Jumpluff is bad for speed running but its really fun to watch you have to use its unique move-pool. Its defensive stats plus its moves suggest that its intended to be used as a stall/support pokemon. I really enjoy runs where you have to get creative!
@MarkofWisdom
@MarkofWisdom 26 күн бұрын
i've always had a soft spot for jumpluff because hoppip shows up early in gold/silver and is so cute, and the entire line is very cute. It isn't very good, but I still like it all the same
@parkermacinnis3977
@parkermacinnis3977 24 күн бұрын
It's one of those Pokemon that would have been decent with a better learn set. There's several examples in the first 3 gens that have this problem.
@SmashMath151
@SmashMath151 26 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="77">1:17</a>:50 I agree with Rock for Jumpluff, but think Ice is better for Sunflora because of Growth. I slept on Ice for Jumpluff too! It definitely reduces the amount of Sleep Powders needed for Lance. One thing I did find interesting was going with Calcium over Carbos for Sunflora in order to outspeed Lance earlier, but the extra bulk is helpful for Karen. I also liked your moveset for Morty with Jumpluff's 1st playthrough!
@annaangelic2318
@annaangelic2318 26 күн бұрын
I’ve done solo runs many times before and one of the things I’ve learned and you’ve discussed is that playing Pokemon before others can give weaker Pokemon an advantage. When you get to Sunkern, you will be your most buff, ideal, and GSC-knowledgeable self to give it the best advantage… for a Sunkern.
@brandonferris9956
@brandonferris9956 25 күн бұрын
Ya but, it's a sunflora not a sunkern lol
@charlessegale6493
@charlessegale6493 26 күн бұрын
I just watched that Zubat battle. As soon as you said, "Pay attention to the next 10 seconds," I knew what was going to happen. Murphy's Law dictates: Anything that *CAN* go wrong *WILL* go wrong. Only in Pokémon...
@C_Train74
@C_Train74 26 күн бұрын
That Jumpluff from the first run loved to hit itself.
@lazypaladin
@lazypaladin 26 күн бұрын
*_Oi!_* I'll have you know Jumpfull is a _Bad-_*_ass_* Grass-Type! Pulled through for me in a run way in the past.
@bouel2709
@bouel2709 26 күн бұрын
I have a Jumpluff in my Scarlet Team and I can always relay on it, such a good Jumpluff
@silver_was_found
@silver_was_found 26 күн бұрын
Fast sleep and status is goated
@bettyunicorn6132
@bettyunicorn6132 23 күн бұрын
@@silver_was_found Leech Seed is a god. My god Jumpfluff is incredible in a proper team.
@ZachFerg
@ZachFerg 26 күн бұрын
We love extra Scott content. Especially when he graces us with his ears and beard reveal
@bryandauzat293
@bryandauzat293 26 күн бұрын
How bad could Sunflora be? Mahdrybread beat red with a sunkern
@TheModdedwarfare3
@TheModdedwarfare3 25 күн бұрын
Welcome to the Elite Four, how tough are ya? I beat Red. So? With a Sunkern... Oh uhh right this way, sir.
@lenlimbo
@lenlimbo 24 күн бұрын
Wait, Sunkern isn't actually imposible? Picture me surprised, I was thinking it would be too weak for Red, even at level 100.
@bryandauzat293
@bryandauzat293 24 күн бұрын
@@lenlimbo Curse strats are a hell of a drug
@lenlimbo
@lenlimbo 24 күн бұрын
@@bryandauzat293 I guess... I was just not expecting for Sunkern to be able to survive long enough to use them XD I'm gonna guess it was with Pikachu, it's the only mon I can see sunkern surviving long enough, besides maybe venusaur.
@dvillines26
@dvillines26 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff wasn't meant to be a solo-running Pokemon or really a damage-dealer at all. If you understand how to use it, it's actually a REALLY GOOD Pokemon. just...it's a Support teammate. especially in later generations, it gets an absurd number of tools, and really all it needs is speed and its adequate bulk to pull off some really fun set-up strategies. Sunflora honestly outperformed my expectations. Sunkern, though, is a level 100 Double Team 1k reset Pokemon.
@brianwisecarver4880
@brianwisecarver4880 26 күн бұрын
Scott: I'm only gonna use sleep when absolutely necessary Me: mmhm...
@evilvitamin
@evilvitamin 26 күн бұрын
I like keeping Hidden Power banned on first playthroughs for practical reasons. If you’re going to do repeat playthroughs, then it’s good to know how to solve fights with just the base moveset. Then, when routing later on, you know what exactly you’re going to have to do to go with HP fire for a single fight.
@retloclive9118
@retloclive9118 26 күн бұрын
The hoppip line I can understand being bad because it's a support mon with its high speed and status moves. The sunkern line...I dunno what they were going for here. I guess it was meant to be a high special attacking damage dealer, especially since it has Growth, but its atrocious speed makes that almost impossible.
@VectorKnightZX
@VectorKnightZX 26 күн бұрын
So. That Zubat encounter with Jumpluff made me curious, about just *how* unlucky that is. So I did some (very) basic math. 30% flinch ×4 [0.3⁴] 50% confusion damage ×4 [0.5⁴] 25% Paralysis [0.25] Oh, but supersonic had to actually hit, too. And in Gen I & II, all non-damaging moves used by the AI have a 25% chance to fail. So... 75% chance for move to succeed [0.75] 55% chance for supersonic to hit [0.55] [0.3⁴]×[0.5⁴]×[0.25]×[0.75]×[0.55] Which equals... 0.0052% (rounded), approximately a 1 in 19,150 chance. What fun.
@skeetermania3202
@skeetermania3202 25 күн бұрын
Also there’s the chance where you stay confused for 4 turns (the full duration).
@Flaming_Rok
@Flaming_Rok 25 күн бұрын
I don't believe that's quite how the math checks out. Taking into account of the AI having a 25% chance to fail a non-damaging move and Supersonic's accuracy, you're looking at around a 41.25% chance to hit, so let's use that as our base. Instead of taking each of these factors individually, you should instead think of it as "how likely is Jumpluff to move this turn". Paralysis has a 25% chance of making you miss your turn, and confusion has a 50% chance, so with these two factors, Jumpluff has a 37.5% chance to act, which means a 62.5% chance to NOT act (.5*.75 is your chance to move, so you invert that for the opposite). The next seven turns has Bite's 30% flinch chance added on to this, which makes the chance of Jumpluff acting a 26.25% chance, or a 73.75% chance of NOT acting. The final turn does not have confusion attached, so that turn "thankfully" has a 52.5% chance of Jumpluff being able to act, or a 47.5% chance of missing their turn. Supersonic Hitting*Parafusion*Parafusionflinch*Paraflinch = Probability (.4125)*(.625)*(.7375^7)*(.475) = ~0.0145, or about 1.45%, or a little above 1 in 100. Still unlikely for certain, but not nearly as astronomically unlucky as you propose it to be. As for the full turns of confusion...well that would be a bit harder to fully take into account, as I don't know how exactly it's calculated (is it determined how many turns you're confused for on confusion, or does it flip a coin to decide when you're free when you're in the 2-4 turn range). If it's the latter, we'd take into account that the two turns he got to try and burn the confusion chance failed, so those two turns are twice as unlikely, so the final probability of staying confused the full four turns with everything else is closer to ~0.36%, or a little above 1/280. If it's the former, then you just multiple the existing chance by 1/3, for ~0.48%, or about 1 in 208. And let's say you want to be REALLY generous and say "oh four of those turns were paraflinch only because they couldn't try and burn the confusion chance", then the above formula looks something like this: (.4125)*(.625)*(.7375)*(.475^4)*(.36875^2)*.475 = ~0.0625%, or around 1/1600 (The first turn was full parafusionflinch odds as you couldn't break out on that turn), which is significantly unluckier, but... Overall, no matter which way you look at it, while this battle was in fact quite unlucky, it is certainly not in the tens of thousands of magnitude you believe it is. also tl;dr didn't read or something for all the math nerds who don't care about this stuff
@VectorKnightZX
@VectorKnightZX 25 күн бұрын
​​@@Flaming_Rok Yes, I admit that I likely missed several factors (and it didn't help that I did it when I was very tired), but similarly yes, that was absurdly unlucky. I've edited my post to make a note about this.
@wiseguise5960
@wiseguise5960 26 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="858">14:18</a> OMG Scott that was wild! I bet you were super frustrated with that RNG 😆
@dylanholliday1255
@dylanholliday1255 26 күн бұрын
I absolutely love the versus videos man. I glad you did another one I been waiting on it.
@HESOMADBRO
@HESOMADBRO 25 күн бұрын
The Swagger strats on Morty were Chef's kiss, loved the creativity.
@HaydnG266
@HaydnG266 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff is absolute godly S tier in Pokemon Colosseum. Extremely fast so usually strikes first and gets Sleep Powder, Giga Drain and then teach it Attract to add insult to injury.
@avicennamuhammad1749
@avicennamuhammad1749 26 күн бұрын
My prediction is Jumpluff will do better because of speed and flying type
@randommanomega6826
@randommanomega6826 26 күн бұрын
Oops, you goofed on the Sunflora/Special Attack thing. There is indeed only one Grass type with better Special Attack than it...but it's Exeggutor, not Vileplume. Vileplume was only base 100 before Gen 6, so it didn't get to crow over Sunflora until then.
@melindamuller4466
@melindamuller4466 26 күн бұрын
It did get beat by a few more by now, of course; it's Vileplume, both Exeggutors, Hydrapple, Roserade, Maractus, Arboliva, Sinistcha, Shaymin-Sky, Cacturne, Tangrowth, Liligant and Scovillain (disregarding Megas)
@khaotix64
@khaotix64 26 күн бұрын
I've been having such a horrible couple of days and this surprise is the perfect distraction for me. Thank you ❤❤
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 24 күн бұрын
Sorry to hear that you've had a horrible couple of days. I'm sending good vibes your way with the extra content! Another video on Saturday.
@Math.Bandit
@Math.Bandit 26 күн бұрын
Another downside of blackout training on Morty would be the Mint Berry I think. Since if it was equipped for the 'training' fights it might get burned before you are KO'd, but if it's not equipped then it makes it even harder to fluke into a win if you do have a good Ghastly/Haunter phase.
@seanpollard3393
@seanpollard3393 26 күн бұрын
Scott releasing more vids regularly is making my heart so happy.
@rc4780
@rc4780 26 күн бұрын
I'm so excited to see this video. I really love these two Grass Types, even if I already know they're not going to go very well in Johto. Fun fact about Sunflora: until Rosarade came along in Gen 4, Sunflora had the 2nd highest base Special Attack in any game, only weaker than Exeggutor.
@Augustine_Sycamore
@Augustine_Sycamore 26 күн бұрын
Sunflora/Sunkern will forever be my favourite grass types
@myklsteel8486
@myklsteel8486 26 күн бұрын
I love using Jumpluff as a dedicated support for catching wild pokemon. Its speed lets it go first and use sleep powder and its defenses are really good just in case sleep powder misses. I just recently used it for that is Scarlet and Violet and its great! For a solo challenge however, it's damage is definitely lacking. Edit: Oh and it's good for supporting in battles with sleep powder and leech seed, and in later games U-turn and even cotton spore. Also he's cute :)
@TooMuchDad
@TooMuchDad 26 күн бұрын
Sunkern and sunflora are two of my favorite pokemon, but its moveset is so tragic. Jumpluff I wish was better too, hopefully it can impress today! :)
@NerdKing2nd
@NerdKing2nd 24 күн бұрын
this video could also be called raw damage vs scott's favorite status move
@FifthPromise
@FifthPromise 26 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2734">45:34</a> are you, and Snowy sure about this? I always assumed that it was because during it's test to see which move does the most damage it's missing a move, such as blizzard. Because blizzard did no damage, fury attack is the better move so it choses that.
@dylangrassmyer3032
@dylangrassmyer3032 26 күн бұрын
Already know this is about to be a banger of a video. Keep up the good work!
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 24 күн бұрын
Thanks Dylan!
@lewisedwards4058
@lewisedwards4058 23 күн бұрын
These are two of my all-time favorite Pokémon. I’ve always found them pretty great on a team. Love to see it.
@kenb2957
@kenb2957 26 күн бұрын
If there's any pokemon I would think can't learn headbutt it's Jumpluff. It has that big cotton ball and slamming it's face into things seems silly for it's entire line. And yet it doesn't get swift with 100+ speed.
@jamescallaghan7726
@jamescallaghan7726 26 күн бұрын
I've also been a grass type fan, ever since bulbasaur. I like how the modern games have been balancing all of the types to make the pokemon more competitive.
@Strawberry_Lynn
@Strawberry_Lynn 22 күн бұрын
I think hidden power dragon could be interesting for some pokémon. It's a special move that's only resisted by steel types, and it helps with Claire and Lance.
@tsawy6
@tsawy6 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff falls into the skarmory and chansey camp of mons designed as utility mons. It's not/good/ in competitive, but I've seen it do substitute leech seed shenanigans in 1v1. And in solo runs... well this video speaks for itself
@Mis73rRand0m
@Mis73rRand0m 26 күн бұрын
Yknow for "Big" channels I just get annoyed with ad spots, but for you I am excited to see the sponsorship! You do so much more than necessary convey your content to the world, especially compared to other youtubers and deserve recognition or at least some reward.
@Mis73rRand0m
@Mis73rRand0m 26 күн бұрын
to convey
@SkellerART
@SkellerART 25 күн бұрын
I've played through Pokemon Colosseum many times but my favorite playthrough was when I used a Sunny Day/Solar Beam strategy with Entei and Sunflora
@Medabee8
@Medabee8 24 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2271">37:51</a> - Steelix is NOT weak to Mega Drain. The Steel typing cancels that out 😜
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 24 күн бұрын
Good catch. I’m being sloppy with my wording there.
@iskander0725
@iskander0725 26 күн бұрын
Ironically, because of you Scott, I've been using a Jumpluff for the first time in my 20+ year of playing Pokemon. Your passion for this solo running stuff has ignited my want to try out teams I would never use normally. So, my odd HGSS teams can be directly linked to my giving you like... 75% of my watch time here on KZfaq. Thanks bud. Look at you... inspiring people to try new mons and stuff. That's a damn good content creator there.
@arcuscotangens
@arcuscotangens 26 күн бұрын
"grass is good against water" Blastoise: "kek"
@perkypenguin1663
@perkypenguin1663 15 күн бұрын
Hooray, a Grass special! I like that as monotonous Crystal can be, particularly regarding the Curse or elemental punches meta, there are still some Pokemon that make the game interesting for better (Mr. Mime) or worse (Jumpluff).
@nickwinn5869
@nickwinn5869 24 күн бұрын
Would it make sense to catch the shiny gyarados for HM moves or does it come too late in the playthrough? It learns surf, strength, whirlpool, and waterfall in gen 2
@kaan-kaant
@kaan-kaant 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff is one of those cases where it can actually be pretty good in a full team run or even competetively with trolly stall strats and sleep. But it is designed horribly for a solo run.
@drchops_4242
@drchops_4242 24 күн бұрын
Hi Scott, wonderful video as always I really enjoyed it and it got me through the ladder end of my shift so thank you. I wanted to suggest a change for The because you had mentioned that it’s getting crowded towards the top. What if you added two more tiers/rearrange the lettering of the tiers, to include one for <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="85">1:25</a> and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="95">1:35</a>, you could easily do like smog on and have an A borderline and a B borderline; with the scattered results in the ANB tier between the times that they currently have I really feel like adding a tier between them. That is the intervals of five would be probably a good idea to show the real results. If I’m being honest, I’m sure you’ve thrown around the idea or heard this probably at least another hundred times, but I wanted to throw my hat into the ring and share my perspective. If you read this, thank you for taking the time to do so Scott. Best wishes to you and your family 😊
@Shadowvanify
@Shadowvanify 26 күн бұрын
Question, would HP Electric be a viable option for Jumpluff, since its biggest obstacles are Charizard and Blastoise, while the Dragons can mostly be handled with Sleep/Return?
@AnyThingWorx
@AnyThingWorx 26 күн бұрын
I’ve just noticed: Is Girafarig incorrectly placed? Theres no Girafarig solo challenge in the channel that I can find other than Pokémon Gold’s run, and that one was over 2 and a half hours long. Still, at the top of the tier list. Not only that but in the re-ranking video, Girafarig would firmly sit in the S Tier, and right now it’s in the C tier?
@CMZneu
@CMZneu 23 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="780">13:00</a> Are you sure that breaks Fury Cutter combo? because I think It keeps powering up as long as it's the last move you made, so only missing, switching out or using items would break it, I might be mistaken though.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 23 күн бұрын
It breaks the combo and resets the power. I learned this when facing the rival’s Gastly with Heracross a long time ago.
@postapocalypticnewsradio
@postapocalypticnewsradio 26 күн бұрын
I love jumpluff! They're so good. Every gen two play through I do has one with stun Spore, headbutt, leac seed and synthesis. My second favorite green two mon, without question.
@jackofnotrades4350
@jackofnotrades4350 25 күн бұрын
Scott thanks for all the years of content man. I am sorry I cant continue my membership, i threw you a few months to just say thanks. ill be back someday
@ace94d
@ace94d 25 күн бұрын
Leaving a comment: No, I suspect that you didn't make the right choice with the Hidden Powers. Jumpluff should either be Dark (super effective vs. Morty), Flying (STAB + covers Koga in addition to hitting Morty) or maybe Ice, and Sunflora should definitely have Ice or another special HP over Rock. EDIT: I would be really curious if Hidden Power Flying or maybe Hidden Power Electric would help out Jumpluff! Another thought: Does Venusaur ever use Sunny Day against Jumpluff? If you could time Sunny Day against Blastoise or maybe use a set of Return / Sleep Powder / Sunny Day / Solar Beam, you could set up Sunny Day vs. Venusaur, put Blastoise to sleep once (75%) and then two hit with Solar Beam. Since they can't wake up turn one, that should mean Blastoise dies every time Sleep Powder goes off which at 75% is much more reliable. If you happen to look at comments this time around I would love to hear your thoughts on these options!
@borbafatt
@borbafatt 25 күн бұрын
That was definitely some “Werster” luck against that Zubat in the second rival battle.
@garrett7261
@garrett7261 26 күн бұрын
great video always liked jumpluff but mega drain so late and can't get giga drain to post game and no flying moves is bad also but I still always liked it great videos keep up the great content can't wait for more and sunflora I've used two times in crystal but I always wanted giga drain but sunflora doesn't get it by level up but it was okay grass type for me thanks again for all your videos
@AdamEspersona
@AdamEspersona 26 күн бұрын
I actually caught a shiny Hoppip in Scarlet. And thankfully Jumpluff got better in later generations. Sunflora, however...
@henrymars6626
@henrymars6626 26 күн бұрын
I found two withtin the first couple hours in Scarlet and then one much later. All full-odds. I was shook
@Gungho73
@Gungho73 26 күн бұрын
@@henrymars6626 Legit shook?
@henrymars6626
@henrymars6626 26 күн бұрын
​@@Gungho73yeah it caught me WAY off-guard and I took Milly with me while giving the other to my friend. My third one I can't remember what I did with it. Tbh not the first time I found a shiny in the first hour of a Pokémon game. Found a shiny Shinx in BDSP right at the beginning of my adventure. I am never this lucky.
@Gungho73
@Gungho73 26 күн бұрын
@@henrymars6626 My first shiny in any non Stadium game was the first Entei I ever encountered. I had not met a legendary to that point so I had assumed given the dialogue in the game leading to that point that's just how they were treated! Color me surprised when I looked at a kids gameboy in daycare later and their Entei looked very different with no special effect.
@thenerdbeast7375
@thenerdbeast7375 26 күн бұрын
Before watching I imagine Sunflora will have an early lead due to better offensive moves but later on Jumpluff will surpass it due to having status and a better stat spread to utilize it. We shall see!
@Lockirby2
@Lockirby2 26 күн бұрын
Does entering with lower than full HP against Morty disincentivize Curse? It wouldn't have been helpful in the follow-up anyways, but I'm curious. Also, with Jumpluff against Red on the follow-up, would it help to replace Protect with Curse and setup exactly once against Snorlax? You'd still have the outspeed on Blastoise and a bit more damage, too.
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 24 күн бұрын
Asking Snowy about the Curse interaction. I tried 1 Curse against Red because it doesn't meaningfully make Blastoise easier. Like yes Sunflora gets more attack but the turns to KO stays the same.
@Lockirby2
@Lockirby2 24 күн бұрын
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Ah, shame it works out that way. Thanks for the detailed answer!
@SnowyTotodile
@SnowyTotodile 24 күн бұрын
HP does not directly affect the likelihood of Morty using Curse unless you were within one-shot range of Lick. From my understanding, the only way you can directly control Curse's odds of being used is by having more than one conscious party member on your team, but this only affects turn 2+.
@Lockirby2
@Lockirby2 24 күн бұрын
@@SnowyTotodile Darn. Thanks for the response Snowy!
@Bl3Moze
@Bl3Moze 26 күн бұрын
I’ve always like sunflora, it’s kinda my meme Pokémon for competitive. It can learn sword dance so, I’ve actually ran a physical set. Caught a lot of ppl off guard.
@ryomaanime4563
@ryomaanime4563 26 күн бұрын
If you want to use it it's actually decent in pokerogue thanks to its passive ability
@Diz_27
@Diz_27 26 күн бұрын
Question... is the Raycon earbuds really that good? I lost my earbuds 2 months ago and desperately need new ones.
@williambaker5730
@williambaker5730 26 күн бұрын
Loving the vids Scott. Big fan
@AaronSmith-wz4ld
@AaronSmith-wz4ld 26 күн бұрын
Do you have a place where your tier list are? Ide like to look them up to take an in depth look
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 24 күн бұрын
Not yet
@volbia12
@volbia12 26 күн бұрын
What if you got to choose whether you started in Johto or Kanto, I think it'd make some of these mon a lot more competitive.
@blakeschwab7518
@blakeschwab7518 25 күн бұрын
good play on bugsy with jumpluff, fun idea for a vid, i enjoyed it. Edit: jumpluff obviously sucks at solo runs but i think it could be a decent team member on a nuzlocke or something because of its really good speed, sleep powder, and leech seed.
@docarwell
@docarwell 26 күн бұрын
Watching this wondering if Scott knows razor leaf has a higher crit chance lol Love the VS videos!
@PrincessGoth574
@PrincessGoth574 26 күн бұрын
I love these 2 so much. Skiploom is one of my all time favourites
@MFMegaZeroX7
@MFMegaZeroX7 26 күн бұрын
I knew you were going to switch to hidden power ice haha. I should've left a comment calling it as soon as you said you were using rock for your second playthrough.
@silver_was_found
@silver_was_found 26 күн бұрын
Fun fact: in the GSC beta, Sunflora was originally a Grass/Psychic type. Not sure if this would’ve affected its results or not, but it’s interesting to think about.
@135forte
@135forte 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff was actually banned from UU in Gen 3 competitive for years. And Swagger is God.
@jamescallaghan7726
@jamescallaghan7726 25 күн бұрын
I love the names! Spitz are my favourite sunflower seeds
@paulnewton2284
@paulnewton2284 26 күн бұрын
The Jumpluff line holds a special place in my heart because in Violet, I have found a frankly ridiculous number of random Shiny Hoppip, like, 3 or 4, across multiple save files, as well as a Shiny Skiploom. Most notably, on my first playthrough, I found one on Poco Path before the first Arven fight. I named her Holy because holy crap, I found a random Shiny super early in the game. (I was doing a bit of training because I was nuzlocking the game blind, so I didn't want to roll up to a fight unexpectedly underleveled and wipe. Which, incidentally, is exactly how I wiped against the second Arven fight at the end of Path of Legends. I came in with mons in the low 50s against his team in the low 60s. Holy was not on that team, because I had it stacked with setup sweepers that never got a chance to set up.) So anyway, I'm hoping Jumpluff wins. And I think they have a solid shot, since their low offenses won't be too much of an issue in this context, and Sunflora's low Speed will hold it back against fast Fire and Flying types. Karen's Houndoom, Lance's Aerodactyl and Charizard, and Red's Charizard particularly come to mind.
@MattShokouhi
@MattShokouhi 26 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video scott
@snowdrifter6187
@snowdrifter6187 26 күн бұрын
There was a game i played forever ago that made sunflora into a fire grass type, and i gotta say that claps. Gamefreak missed out
@handanyldzhan9232
@handanyldzhan9232 26 күн бұрын
Surprised that Sunflora did better than Jumpluff. I thought its absymal stats other than special attack would have been too much of a hindrance.
@Starsoulklr
@Starsoulklr 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff for the playthroughs I've used it for how fast it is to sling out Sleep Powder and Leech Seed. Jumpluff usually doesn't have that many attack options. The one game I really got to take advantage of it's status moves is Coliseum when you're trying to catch Pokemon in double battles.
@andreapareti324
@andreapareti324 24 күн бұрын
Wow, that first Rival 2 fight was quite possibly the worst luck I've ever seen in these games, lol.
@lyonnaismatt
@lyonnaismatt 26 күн бұрын
I think Hidden Power Flyin' might have been a better choice for Jumpluff thanks to the STAB bonus it would receive. Other than Morty I don't think there are any battles where Jumpy really NEEDS Hidden Power, anyway. Honestly, Hidden Power Dark is another viable option for it to keep perfect DVs and annihilate the various ghosts. Last possibility, and yes it's crazy, but Hidden Power Grass would give far earlier access to reliable Grass-type damage. Okay, forget I said anything. That is definitely too crazy!
@gaminggoddess85
@gaminggoddess85 25 күн бұрын
On the extremely rare occasion that I use Sunflora on my team, I like to name them Otenko. Taiyoooooou I thought you made a good case for HP Rock being the best choice but in the back of my mind (and because you had brought it up earlier in the video) I knew HP Ice had to be MVP. Or HP Dark just for all those dumb ghosts but that would've been really shortsighted.
@bersa2398
@bersa2398 26 күн бұрын
Hey Scott. I follow you since a long time. You are probably the channel where i consume most of my time on yt. I had learn a lot of english just by watching you, (i dont know about how to write it right tho) I just want to ask if, you could add time tags to the yt videos, like brock split, misty split, rival 2 split etc.
@belodie
@belodie 26 күн бұрын
I wonder... how much slower would certain Pokémon be without the classic Gen 2 moves (Curse, Rest, Protect and Return)?
@silver_was_found
@silver_was_found 25 күн бұрын
I used to think Jumpluff’s little feet were hands because of how they look in the official art.
@lamiaprincess6371
@lamiaprincess6371 26 күн бұрын
I don't have anything super insightful (other than Snubbull is a D-tier Pokemon :p) but I did want to mention something really funny. While Sunflora has never been particularly relevant competitively anywhere, Jumpluff actually did have one really cool shining moment in Gen V, where it had some success in lower tiers as a Swords Dance sweeper, using the interaction between Acrobatics and the Flying Gem along with Sleep Powder and its hidden ability in Infiltration. Acrobatics is one of those moves I really wish could be backported permanently into a game like Gen 2, it's one of my favorite moves of all time.
@jaredbelcher4591
@jaredbelcher4591 26 күн бұрын
Scott hand reveal confirmed
@llSuperSnivyll
@llSuperSnivyll 26 күн бұрын
Jumpluff might do better in a solo run with a SubSeed set. Except it can't learn Substitute until FireRed and LeafGreen.
@Zthewise
@Zthewise 26 күн бұрын
I like sunflora, but its speed stat, even in later gens with chlorophyll boost, leaves it in the dust. Also being evolved by sun stone, which is only available by winning the bug catching contest in GSC, does it no favors.
@nousernameinputed
@nousernameinputed 24 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="74">1:14</a>:58 Scott at Red "I'll put curse in the place of return and protect in the place of razor leaf" Me "WHAT!?" Scott *Actually replaces growth with curse, not return* Me "Oh, thank god..."
@andrewflynn113
@andrewflynn113 26 күн бұрын
Not a fan of Rock or Ice on Jumpluff tbh, it's main struggle spot was Morty so Dark/ground/ghost make more sense. Ground also decent for Koga, though it doesn't really solve Forretress.
@iceberg_dmb
@iceberg_dmb 24 күн бұрын
In a recent Crystal playthrough I used Jumpluff and it was really effective with leech seed, stun spore, headbutt (para flinch with health recovery). It wasn't a power house by any means but I kept it all through the game up through Red and followed level caps. It was a good support pokemon. I think it went with mega drain later on and giga drain after Erica.
@Steve_A93
@Steve_A93 25 күн бұрын
To cheer you up with regards to Jumpluff, it is actually quite good in competitive VGC, even winning a big tournament in Scarlet & Violet in 2023. Shiny one at that :)
@AnnieC.1993
@AnnieC.1993 26 күн бұрын
A friend of someone I watch on here found some data that might prove helpful with the Karen fight. If you're not at full HP, the chance that Karen's Umbreon uses sand attack goes down significantly. This works with even 1 HP missing, so an HP up could be used for this.
@Noman69420
@Noman69420 26 күн бұрын
I know you just did a backport, but lightball Pikachu in gen 1, I don't know how feasible it is, but you could just give the rat the stats. I think it would be cool to see the difference between regular and lightball Pikachu. Love the vids, 🙏🐝🐐
@mr.number9279
@mr.number9279 16 күн бұрын
Do you have a link to your modification to spinners? Is it a ROM hack, a cheat code, or something you did in a disassembly?
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon
@ScottsThoughtsPokemon 15 күн бұрын
Snowy made it as a modification within the disassembly. I don’t think it’s available anywhere yet. I’m going to try to get the tooling I used back to the community sometime this year. Plans are just moving more slowly than I anticipated.
@mr.number9279
@mr.number9279 15 күн бұрын
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I figured it was disassembly based. No idea how to go about doing the specific mod to the spinners. I know how to blind them (give them a sight of 0, so they'd literally need to be bumping into you) or just make them not spin and only face one direction, but that mod you use is a custom behavior not in the game.
@BloodfelX
@BloodfelX 26 күн бұрын
I like Sunflora and Jumpluff; I have a preference for slow heavy hitters like Sunflora (even if I still think it should have been the first Grass/Fire type) and I appreciate the sabotage and support role that Jumpluff takes. Neither are particularly great for solo runs, but I was happy to see Sunflora get the final result that it did here. Ultimately Grass to this day is probably one of my least favourite typings to use, even if I do enjoy Petal Dance as a move, just because I prefer straight forward sweepers to setup sweepers - but Sunflora is an underdog (or I guess overdog here) that I will always cheer for.
@alpolacci
@alpolacci 26 күн бұрын
I wish sunflora could have been a sun team powerhouse: Grass-fire type A bit more bulk An ability that gains health in the sun (like rain dish) Weather ball and heat wave Could have been amazing
@calebjohnson9740
@calebjohnson9740 26 күн бұрын
What a treat this is… we really don’t deserve you Scott
@KRACKSMACK
@KRACKSMACK 24 күн бұрын
Almost had me when you said Koga has 2 steel Pokémon left 😂
@tamlynloell
@tamlynloell 26 күн бұрын
I would just skip megadrain and keep synthesis with Jumpluff on you second run. it's rather defensive and with sleep powder and systhesis it is able to solve some problem with a bit luck.
@UnknownVir
@UnknownVir 25 күн бұрын
I love Jumpluff 💜 I've used it in a playthrough, I've used it competitively on battle sims, and I've used in Pokemon Go (first in the original Gym meta vs ground and water types, and then in PvP once its moves got buffed)
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