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I’m pretty sure the whole centuries later thing was him just resetting time for centuries. His time slipping allowed him to spend centuries learning from OB and Victor by reliving those moments.

I think one of the confusions is that they refer to it as the "Sacred Timeline" in a singular manner. But based on all they've shown us, the sacred timeline is really a woven rope of multiple universes/timelines that do not intersect or interfere with each other. It isn't a single universe that He Who Remains was overseeing.

The implication in the show was that O.B. learned what he knew from Victor Timely's research and notes, not directly from the man himself in some far-flung past. Neither one had ever met the other until that moment in episode 4.

Regarding Loki's appearance, it seems like Odin changed Loki at a genetic/molecular level, and Loki's "default state" would have been Asgardian, except when it was changed back in the presence of Jotun magic. It makes sense if you think about it, imagine some person wanting to hurt the Asgardian royal family's reputation by trying to sneak a DNA test on Loki or the guy accidentally knocking up some girl and she gives birth to a Frost Giant. Those are things that someone wily like Odin would have thought of ahead of time.

Most of the TVA had their memories wiped - probably more than once. OB was the only one who didn’t - out of necessity since he is the only one who understands how the TVA functions for all time, since the Victor Timely variants are constantly learning from scratch.

I always assumed that the "many centuries later" was how many Loops Loki went through to learn everything he needed, each time picking up more and more information, I can't remember the Episode name but Stargate did a similar thing with Teal'c amd O'Neill caught in a loop and having to learn how to tranlsate and alien language to fix it

OB never said he met Victor Timely, he just studied Victor Timely's work.

Can we admit that Loki was pretty damn good. It’s hard to write something like this and have it wrap up so well.

My understanding with the Infinity Stones in the TVA is that they don't work, not because the TVA is elsewhere, but because they come from a timeline that was pruned. Their home universe no longer exists, so the source of their power is gone.

16:45 It’s also worth mentioning that his immunity to temporal radiation seems to be quite related to his ability to control time itself-time slipping-as the temporal radiation simply speeds up aging-that’s it.

Doug's right, he looped over and over and over and had thousands of "classes" with OB, building on the knowledge from the previous session. OB would only remember the most recent one due to the loop, but Loki would remember it all.

My biggest problem is why OB would even think for a moment the throughput multiplier would work on an infinitely growing multiverse. It was a problem I had around epsiode 4 and I'm glad they adressed, but OB is too smart to be surprised by it

Its anchor perspective time travel inside the TVA. He who remains was the anchor point and could control his place in that time line for the tva. Every time the anchor is dislodged its reset. When loki took control he became the new anchor and he can control the flow. And I'm pretty sure the centuries thing was just loki restarting time over and over learning as he repeated.

Mobius is a Odin variant. 2 kids. One loves mischief the other wanted a snake instead of a puppy. Telling you I'm right

21:24 it’s like that episode of Star Trek, where Warf starts time slipping. It’s all on top of itself, and there is an infinite number of universes, because there is an infinite number of choices, and every choice creates a new universe. In consequential choices don’t stay diverged, they collapse. Consequential choices are nexus events. All timelines collapse at an apocalypse. They are more like sign waves than branches of a tree on the broad scale. Like, plucking a string.

It wasn’t flawless, but I’ll watch Mobius and Loki and OB and B15 and Sylvie any day. Really invested me in those characters

There's a very simple answer to the question of why the events of The Avengers in 2012 were never mentioned in Loki when HE went to 2012. Different times of the year. Maybe he went there in April and the Avengers movie took place in August.

Clearly the TVA experiences time, because at the beginning of the second season we see that the TVA is ruled by Kang when Loki is returned to the TVA. Then later the TVA has their memories wiped and they believe that it's the three lizards leading the TVA. This is also how Mobius doesn't remember chasing an analyst that looked like Loki before. So for OB to remember anything that Loki told him, it had to occur after the memory wipe. Though it's strange OB would not also remember having met Loki. It's really weird we have the tape recording of HWR and Revona, but no explanation of how that recording was made, I speculate that something in the scrapped episode 5 would have explained how that was accomplished.

I think a lot of folks miss the big Ouroboros of this season. He Who Remains shapes Loki into a master of time, to take over his role. The Multiversal War forged HWR. That war can't happen while the Loom exists. Loki destroys it and maintains the Multiverse. Thus, they both HWR and God of Stories Loki create each other. Both are loops on the same infinity symbol.

My primary gripe with the show is that it doesn't SHOW us the entire Ouroboros. We have to assume that it happens, but we don't ACTUALLY see the full "restart" at any point. We have to take Kang's word for it. Like mentioned, we don't see the "past" TVA at any point in the show. Those details are sorely missed. I think it's more likely that episodes 5 and 6 were rewritten to lead to Majors' potential exit. I think the original plan was to show us the Ouroboros through the "reset", and Loki reassembling the team himself(in fact, I think the reassembly shots ARE from this narrative, just recut to be the story we actually received). The key here is that we still do not have a solid answer to when/how the TVA workers had their memories erased, and the TVA rebranded to follow the Time Keepers. This would have included the Renslayer content. That's why we feel like there are plot holes and pieces are missing.

Also I just realized Multiverse of Madness couldn't have happened before Kang died so it's not really Strange's fault. He couldn't have predicted that.

He Who Remains won the multiverse war by using Alioth and the TVA to prevent rival timelines from begin created. This is really important. The Loom is preventing uncontrolled timelines from spawning and releasing Kang variants that could fight He Who Remains. He tells Loki that Loki and his friends can only save the multiverse by supporting the sacred timeline plan. This is why Sylvie is so angry. She feels that the level of control He Who Remains has created removes meaning from life because they no longer have free will. What Loki and Sylvie want in the end is no sacred timeline. Sylvie convinces Loki to just let timelines run wild, to not try to control the multiverse. And this is what Loki tries to do in the end! Instead of the multiverse collapsing, he holds it together, trying to save it and allow more timelines, not just the tightly controlled sacred timeline. He Who Remains _LOSES_ His plan was to keep the TVA and sacred timeline intact.. But Loki replaces the sacred timeline with the _branching_ tree of time. This will work for a while, but according to HWR, it can't be a permanent solution. Because it just lets a new multiversal war happen.

Obie never met Victor Timely in person in the original timeline. He learned from what Victor Timely WROTE. He even says this. They *both wrote* the TVA manual. And he didn’t even know who Timely was when they were introduced because they never actually met until that moment.

*14:04* Right.. Except when Miss Minutes hacked all the devices from the TVA, she also hacked one of the devices from OB. Not to mention that they said that she basically controls all the TVA, so shouldn't Renslayer use her to find where Loki and Mobius (or even Timely) are at?

Did you have any other questions?

Loki has had the best character arc of any character in a movie

20:04 I think it’s even more of a comparison. You could think of the sacred timeline as Mjolnir, and after they both go through the intense radiation, there is a new, more powerful copy, both Stormbreaker and the Yggdresil tree “you learn that sometimes it’s okay to lose something, if there’s a hope that you can replace that thing with something better”

How you did the Coffee Advert was smooth! I liked it a lot and didn't skip it!

I went and re watched the finale and man it’s even better after you go back and watch it!

That was some good stuff! Solid explanations! My brain can rest easy for a while 😁👍

we must remember when he cannot control the slipping he is sending his physical body back, when controlling it he only sends his consciousness back, so that’s why he can have 2 version of themselves

That random Homestar Runner reference. I love you, Screencrush.

THANKS for this Loki look, Doug and Ryan!!!!

You took your own interpretation and theories and presented each as fact to answer all these questions? Bold...very bold.

I just love that nearly one month after the finale, you guys keep churning videos about Loki s2. It's just a testament on how good this show is.

Bro u nailed ads during KZfaq videos, first person I’ve seen to not make it all consuming but still present Same with hinting content towards the end Big fan Great stuff dude

Another point about the Infinity Stones: we don't actually see them on any other place but Casey's desk.And that desk got pruned by B15 like a minute later

The new version of the TVA Handbook may just have a few blank pages in the beginning or pages with few words (like a dedication page or title page with the script located in the center).

Victor timely still exists at the TVA. He's the only king variant that was not pruned. He still works for the TVA just like all other variants with no timeline

Great explanations. I noticed you mention the impossibility of time travel. That always makes me thinking of a book about the work of Einstein and Godel: A World Without Time. It deals with some implications of Einstein's work that suggests time travel might be possible, and as a result, the way time becomes an empty idea. (As Hulk notes my past becomes my present once I have traveled there). The issue of time travel also reminds me of the easiest response to the idea that A.I. will never be able to think and feel like us... absent the idea of a soul, we are the best evidence that matter in the universe can be arranged in a way that can think and feel like us. Similarly, our experience of time is the best evidence that travel "through" time is possible.

These are some great questions with even better answers. I imagine this will be a nice video to go back & reference as the MCU continues to expand with more questions for how each moment fits into the continuity.

"I'm a Peacock Captain, you gotta let me fly!" The Other Guys is the most underrated comedy of all-time imho. Genius on every level.

My theory is that when HWR says “we just crossed the threshold” I think he’s referring to Loki’s time slipping since we only see him time slip past that time. I’m thinking he said this because he didn’t know when Loki would time slip to have a conversation but he knew it would happen. How would he know about victor timely and the temporal loom problem if he said he knew everything that would happen up until when the threshold was crossed?

Great work :)

I thought I had a pretty good theory for why and how Loki was able to spend centuries learning theoretical and quantum physics. And I think it's implied in the first instance in the starting of episode. When Loki rushes over to Ob and ask him what should we have done? I think the first simple answer is that Loki asked Obi if I was able to time travel and come up with a way for me to learn , what is one secret that you can tell me that you know I wouldn't have known unless I was controling time and I believe this is The start script that Loki perfects post the centuries later title card. I hope that makes sense.

Thanks Ryan!

I just wanna know what was up with that special ore sylvie was mining in season 1

why doesnt he who remians do the following: after he wins the multiversal war he creates the temporal loom and destroys it himself. The failsafe destroys everything apart from the sacred timline, where he who remains could go and just chill without having to worry about his variants anymore.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving Doug, and Ryan!

11:07 Out of NOWHERE with that Coach Z reference from Homestar Runner! Love it! Haha

Love you Ryan

Omg HomeStar Runner. Never expected to see the "Gud jerb" scene.

Thank you ScreenCrush for this video! Loki is a great show, worthy of a lot of thought.

Love the touch of the Loki coffee cup

I think the Victor Timely that was with us in the loom room is still working at the TVA. The second edition of the handbook is credited to OB and Timely and OBs desk, which was super cluttered and kind of a straight up mess when we first saw him, is tidied up and clean with a typewriter set up right in the middle.

Love this content

I loved the integration of that sponser spot.

I understood about the Quantum Realm being adjacent, but the one that trips me up is Shang-Chi’s world, I was convinced it was another universe and that Shang-Chi himself only exists cause of branching timelines, being the son of people from different universes. The Ten Rings’ backstory was completely changed from what was established in Iron Man, I think the death of HWR altered events in 616’s history as well, the past and present of every universe.

Damn, you caught me off guard so badly with Coach Z there, I started laughing and couldn't stop.

Even if the original physical Loki needs to stay on the throne I would bet he can use his magic to put himself into the various realities and be the person everyone said he was - a way for other people to be their best selves. But if he's doing it intentionally it isn't nearly as depressing..

Screencrush is a great channel. Honestly I didn’t enjoy Loki. But I enjoy watching Ryan and his boss, Doug, discussing Loki.

Thank you for the extra Doug content. Extra scritches for the manager please.

Honestly Ryan is such a beast. No wonder he has a coffee sponsor. My guy needs it!

The TVA guidebook second edition isn't blank. Although it's only for a millisecond, you can see, in a blur, some print in the middle of the page that OB stops on. The first page or two might appear to be blank, but as is the case with a lot of books, title pages and things are often just printed on the front of the page and blank on the back. I don't think this is a plot hole, just an issue of not seeing enough of the inside of the book.

Excellent Homestar Runner take half way through.

I just noticed that when Loki finally is able to control the time slipping he uses a posture that resembles what he did in Season 1 Episode 1 in Renslayer's court when he was going to do magic. Cool callback if intentional.

That Ghost of Tom Joad reference was Epic!

I think Loki can interact with all the timelines as he wants because he can just send his clone or projection out to anywhere anytime and anyone for example ego can leave from his planet form where his brain is Loki can also meet Thor or others help them anyway he desired to change their fate

You should totally do breakdowns of the comics that you should read. I'd love to get into reading the comics but when I go into the store I kind of get overwhelmed and have no idea where to start.

Talking about time travel, that homestar clip brought me back.

Love the Homestar Runner Coach Z deep cut!

It’s funny that Doug makes Ryan laugh. It’s him . He is Doug’s voice. It’s heeeem! 😂

Wow, a homestarrunner reference?! Deep cut, you done a great jorb 👍🏻

This show is super underrated!

Small loop in a bigger loop in a bigger loop. Orobororobororoboris

I love everything about Loki season 1 & 2 but 1 question that you kinda mentioned but I still find to be a BIG plot hole is how does Loki get the power to control time with just a thought? I get He Remains "gave it to him" but how can He give a power he does not posses? He Remains still needs the tech of his hand template to freeze/manipulate time, but he can bestow that power into Loki? Love your channel too, keep up the great work!

The problem with the suggestion that Loki has changed "he who remains' " plans is that with infinite timelines there will inevitably be too many Kangs for the TVA to manage... perhaps this is beyond "he who remains' " plans but the multiversal war should still occur so will a different Kang win? Or someone else?

11:06 COACH Z ! What a blast from the past!!

I was under the impression that the TVA wasn't pruning all timelines that weren't the sacred timeline, but the timelines that they were told to prune, meaning the ones where the Kang variants become a threat to he who remains.

16:54 I learn about the Infinity Stones not being good outside their universe a couple of years ago when I learn of a DC comic book when Darkseid got hold of an Infinity Gauntlet with all the Infinity Stones but won't wasn't able to use their power because the Infinity Stones were outside their universe.

17:14 yes the stones are tied to their native universes, but in What If? The Infinity Stone version of Ultron destroys his native universe and yet the Infinity Stones Ultron uses still function.

Great microhook on the coffee haha

Dug doing Maggie’s Farm is hilarious!

A Coach Z reference like that makes my day

Amazing

I think Brad made a deal with Sylvie and she used HWR device to place him on the sacred timeline . Remember some of these Kang variants have access to a Heart of Forever type of device that can actually warp time .

@ScreenCrush, @NewRockstars, @The Canadian Lad Santa Monica's GOW & MCU's memes are all over my lecture slides to excite and motivate my undergrad students in advanced & math-heavy topics! And I hyped the MCU passion myself, thanks to your beautiful work! Well done. I also have a Theory of mine for you folks. A group of Avengers going back in time to collect the space stone in the battle of New York scene was supposed to happen even though they could not get their hands on the stone. In fact, the moment Loki picked up the Tesseract was not part of the sacred timeline, but the TVA had to wait for the Avengers' redundant plan. Only the part that Loki teleported to a desert was the right moment to prune the branched timeline since Hulk must have had enough time to convince the Ancient One to borrow the time stone, and Loki must have been transferred to the TVA to realize that the HeHowRemain's plan. Just notice that TVA staff knew when the timeline branched, but they did not act until the right moment! They did not know WHY they had to prune the branched reality in the desert scene, though. I mean the real why!

Been watching this channel forever and just now realizing its supposed to look like a video store behind him lol

Sylvie causes the spiderverse? I love it. I love these plothole explainer videos

Id note that incursions is explained by the world tree imagery outright: all the evenys are bileing brought together in the trunk of the eorkd tree, a nexus eventt if sorts where all timelines converge before branching out once more...

Gotta say… this is an interesting coffee commercial (well the 1st 4-5 minutes of the video). Noticing how the first 5 minutes of these videos are becoming long ads/commercials that happen to include the reason why we originally clicked on the videos in the first place. Not to mention the merchandise advertisements that make the videos longer. 🤣🤣🤣

4:09 lol he who remains was victor timely himself and gave knowledge to O.B.

I enjoyed ScreenCrush Loki chat more than the actual show this season.

im still confused on what happened to the victor timely that was in the tva when loki destroyed the loom? if they went back in time and stopped him from getting the tva manual would they have had to put him back in his normal timeline first?

I’m about to watch this hoping these guys have figured out what’s really going on by now . I’m hoping this guy doesn’t still think Loki is maintaining the whole multiverse despite what Mike Waldren clearly stated years ago about the multi system we are exploring . Here goes

The Ghost of Doug Joad 😂😂

If the sacred timeline was a loop, then where would the loom be?

The Coach Z clip is everything to me.

Sometimes I feel so crazy when I click on your videos 1 hour after they post, but I cannot help it 😭😭