Scriabin's Flammes Sombres Full Analysis

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Jay Beard Music

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Жыл бұрын

Scriabin’s Flammes Sombres Op.73 No.2 analyzed in full.
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@NanaKwame96
@NanaKwame96 10 ай бұрын
Brilliant analysis. Thanks for the hard work and sharing as well!
@neilr5208
@neilr5208 Жыл бұрын
Love the analysis! This is currently my favourite Scriabin miniature. What I love about this dance is the connection to Scriabin's Mysterium text (according to Sabaneyev, Scriabin associated Flammes Sombres with the "Song-Dance of the Fallen" from his Mysterium libretto). A short passage from the text: Song-Dance of the Fallen We along paths, along pitted Paths covered in corpses Following two coupled whirlwinds We hurry a bewitched choir The stench of black blood we breathe There is lust for abominable delights We hurry in a flaming dance Dance-caress, dance-tale. To build filthy dens There to raise our thrones There to surrender to our passion Which has opened its bestial jaws to us We hurry swiftly along precipices Along gorges and along rifts Where the flowers of madness grow To surrender to them without hesitation Thus the spirit-wanderer through the thickets Raging, wildly celebrates His sacred rupture with heaven Obeying the black calls Be thrice accursed Loathsome countenance of terrible death By those ice holes into eternity Our carefreeness is disgusted After a brief communion with eternity The passions beckon towards incarnations With the songs of heaven, irksome to us Our songs are not consonant Insensible to the revelation of heaven Only corpses bring joy to us Only splashes of the black blood Of our abominable love We over corpses, we over corpses Hurry swiftly along ledges Closer to filthiness, closer to shame Soon the boundary walls of the temple will crash down.
@jaybeardmusic8074
@jaybeardmusic8074 Жыл бұрын
Woah very cool! This adds a lot! Thanks! I knew some of the musical content from this was used in Mysterium. Is that passage written in his notebook?
@neilr5208
@neilr5208 Жыл бұрын
@@jaybeardmusic8074 Yessir!
@rachm06
@rachm06 6 ай бұрын
man this is the most black metal thing i've ever read
@micheleguerrieri98
@micheleguerrieri98 15 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, nice job! About the metal part, check the similarity between the “tumultueux” part (especially from bar 35) and Slayer song: “piece by piece”, from 0:10 to 0:21 and then 1:18 - 1:29 😏🤟🏻 who knows if slayer were inspired by this Scriabin piece to write those riffs
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 Жыл бұрын
Will you analyse the Op.73 No.1?
@Doctee81
@Doctee81 Жыл бұрын
Love the analysis, thank you. Given your extensive study of Scriabin’s music, care to offer any thoughts on how the composer himself might have conceptualized pitch organization in his music? To me, he seems to think of these collections as colourful extensions of the dominant 7th sonority (I hear this even in many of his early pieces).
@jaybeardmusic8074
@jaybeardmusic8074 Жыл бұрын
Great question! I think he thought roughly in terms of sets just without the same labels (he probably thought of them as scales/chords). Sets like 6-z49 and 7-26 and the mystic set appear again and again without there being too much that falls outside of his typical sets. I show this in more detail in my series “Scriabin’s Atonality”. It is thought that ultimately chords like the mystic chord and whole tone chords originate from extensions on dominant 7’s (and the dominant 7 is a fundamental building block to all these chords) but by his late era these chords don’t function as a dominant to be resolved, but as a consonance to start and end with. “Melody is harmony unfurled, harmony is fueled melody”- Scriabin
@OfficialDanieleGottardo
@OfficialDanieleGottardo Жыл бұрын
Great analysis!
@jaybeardmusic8074
@jaybeardmusic8074 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@OfficialDanieleGottardo
@OfficialDanieleGottardo Жыл бұрын
Are you familiar with the compositions of Roslavets? He was heavily influenced by Scriabin’s harmonic system. His use of sets is fantastic.
@jaybeardmusic8074
@jaybeardmusic8074 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I love how Roslavets takes after Scriabin! Have you analyzed his music? I’d be curious to learn what sets Roslavets uses in his music 🧐
@OfficialDanieleGottardo
@OfficialDanieleGottardo Жыл бұрын
@@jaybeardmusic8074 I have analyzed very little at the moment, I’m hoping for one of your analysis ahah. Online there is very little material available unfortunately. I want to analyze the Nocturne for Quintet, one of my favorite piece ever.
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 Жыл бұрын
​@@OfficialDanieleGottardo he's not influenced at all by scriabin, he's influenced by his own delusions of what he *believes* scriabin is.
@Scriabinfan593
@Scriabinfan593 Ай бұрын
These flames are not very somber Mr. Scriabin.
@neilr5208
@neilr5208 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what WIM has to say about this analysis
@Lebotcho
@Lebotcho Жыл бұрын
i thought the exact same thing
@jaybeardmusic8074
@jaybeardmusic8074 Жыл бұрын
“It’s all just F major with a few accidentals. Fuck you Jay!” 😂
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 Жыл бұрын
Correct analysis of this piece. Key: Gb(tonic) A, B, D, Eb, F. (Mystic scale) There's no 4th in the key of this piece. 1st triad is Gb, B, D(I+aug3). Scriabin uses very little triadic harmony in this piece. But my analysis will be using that system. {Point of inversion} a,b, c, d, etc. is used to describe 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. inversion. ÷ = Repeat sD = subDominant D = Dominant T= Tonic First 4 bars, new chord every beat: 1.sD, II°sus4-67c({Eb} A, D, Eb, F, Gb) resolved as dominant to 2.D, #V°sus#4-67g({B} D#, G#, A, B, C) 3. ÷ 4. ÷ 5.T, Isus2-67c ({Db} Gb, A, Db, Eb, F) 6.sD, Vb8b6-nat9 (D, E, F#, Bb, C, Db) 7.sD, bbIIIaug3-6b79g ({Gb} Bbb, C, D, Fb, Gb, Ab) 8.D, iii°nat6-711(B, D, Eb, F, G, A) .....
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 Жыл бұрын
@@jaybeardmusic8074 sorry man, I'm not incompetent enough to analyse from a cursory glance like you. I prefer using actual theory, not pseudo-theoretical nonsense, that has nothing to do with music like set theory. The key is Gb. Neither major nor minor. The third is augmented, not replaced by a fourth or a second.
@Dirtybudus
@Dirtybudus 6 ай бұрын
Would be funny, if ya’ll showed this to Scriabin and he’d say something like „nahh bruh, sounded funky so I used it, nothing complicated”
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 Жыл бұрын
2:34 because it's not a flat 9, it's a diminished 7th. You're analysing this chord from the bass. An amateur's error. Did you forget chord inversions exist? Did you think chords could not be inverted at the beginning measure and beat of a piece? The root of the chord is A, not F. And it's a Gb, not an F#. 3:04 I guess you still need better ears, there's a chord change on measure 3 beat 1. "But it's the same notes?" You may ask. But you fail to account for metric emphasis and literally anything other than rudimentary analysis on paper. The paper merely represents a small part of what the composer knows. You need to hear aswell.
@joeyhardin5903
@joeyhardin5903 7 ай бұрын
google 'music theory'
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 7 ай бұрын
@@joeyhardin5903 google "when to shut up"
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