SCT vs NEWT - In-Depth Comparison, ALL you need to know!!

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00:00 Intro
02:30 Price
09:10 Ease of Setup
13:06 Versatility
14:40 Usability
15:40 Focal ratios
17:02 Narrowband Considerations
19:50 Focusing
22:00 Imaging results

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@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

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@sreeshab4093 Жыл бұрын

Great video, thank you. btw, for AM5 and Quattro, how was AM5 performance? did u have to use CWs? or weight in the tipod-hammock?

@davidbover7734 10 ай бұрын

I like to see what I'm shooting so prefer a longer focal length couldn't you have just shot it at 1500mm on the C6? It fits nicely on my sensor with a mead 10" ACF. probably around thrice the size of it on your newt.

@tommydstudios2094 8 ай бұрын

Hello, just started following your channel. I also just bought the 150p. I got the upgraded from Backyard Universe already. I am also looking to get a better focuser. I use a big 2" 7 filter wheel. When you find a good focuser that fits will you please let me know what one you get? I am having trouble finding one myself. Definitely following closely!!!!

@joederbyshire_ Жыл бұрын

I really like that newt result! I think the bloated stars, however minor, do make quite a difference to the final image!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I do like that image quite a bit as well!

@user-lt9py2pu6u Жыл бұрын

I would be more than happy with either of those two images Cuiv. Glad to see the work you put in on the Newt has paid off. Excellent

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, and thanks for your support!!

@AstroCloudGenerator Жыл бұрын

As always. You have given a super fair and informative comparison. And of course great fun too 😄

@terrymaurice6285 Жыл бұрын

I really like your hands-on approach and the depth of your explanations. I learn a lot by watching your videos. Keep up the great work!

@Wilfredos_Astrophotography Жыл бұрын

Awesome comparison. Thank you for all you do for our hobby. I love your videos.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thank you and my pleasure!

@ssrattus Жыл бұрын

Thanks Cuiv for all the work you put into your videos!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Glad you like them!

@AstroDenny Жыл бұрын

Very cool video! I'm very glad to see you back making more content!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dennis!

@lavers_1 Жыл бұрын

Excellent content on this channel! Thanks for all the effort you put into this!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@jakomiske217 Жыл бұрын

Another great video Cuiv! Definitely surprising to see how similar they are in the end, but it's really cool to see the potential a cheap Newtonian can have for astrophotography!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! It was also very interesting for me to do this comparison!!

@user-yd1zl1tv8x Жыл бұрын

Love the video. A big challenge to those of us starting this hobby is making educated decisions on what equipment to purchase .... Comparing these two scopes, and these two setups is a monumental task (like climbing Everest!) and you do it well, clearly and fairly. Well done. I own a C6, with a focal reducer and love it. But I realize Newtonians are very much loved by the Astro community, and with your video I can see why. I've also been curious of the hyperstar system for a CTS, and this video cleary states its advantages and cons. Thanks for making this. And thanks for promoting this great hobby with such enthusiasm and depth of info. Well done. Astronomy is the most exciting field of knowledge and discovery today, and your videos are inspiring the great young minds of the future. The future is bright! Kind regards.

@sophiexx1270 Жыл бұрын

Truly fantastic video as always. You have a very individual style that is very personable. Well done on this video. I do wish you had tried the SCT without the Hyper-star so you had three comparisons. Nit picking I know but still hugely enjoyable. Thanks again for the information and let’s face it entertainment as well.

@krystlih Жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic video Cuiv! I have the Quattro 150p, having said that, it was my first newtonian I have used for imaging (prior I had a dob for visual). I've run across the same challenges you have with it and I really appreciate you sharing your fixes. One thing I will say that perhaps wasn't covered in your comparison, is the fact that I've learned way more about optics and how it all works using the Newtonian. Sure there is a learning curve, and sure it can be frustrating at times, but I feel way better equipped now to deal with optical issues in any telescope not just Newtonians. I think for someone just starting out, it's easy to select the easiest scope to use for the best results, but there is something to be said for pushing through optical challenges and learning a lot in the process. But I love this kind of content, keep up the great work!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

That's true, there is so much to learn by just tinkering with the Newt!

@AdailAntonio Жыл бұрын

THANKS!!! I been wating for this!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@BennyKleykens Жыл бұрын

The Hyperstar certainly has a hard to measure 'kewl' factor 😊 And it can be changed back to a longer FL so it's really 2 telescopes in one.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Hahaha that's true! The cool factor is important!

@riddler2kone Жыл бұрын

Or to three telescopes with the reducer!

@aradani3 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Cuiv for this video!!! You are pure gold! Because you bring all these little details that need to be dealt with that nobody talks about. I really like the versatility of the C6, even without the Hyperstar: 600mm F4 with Starizona's Night Owl .4x - for deep sky (BTW one thing you didn't mention is that it is only suitable for small sensors, but fine for me..) 945mm F6.3 with a 0.63x reducer corrector - for galaxies (?) 1500mm F10 to for the moon 3000mm F20 with a 2x Barlow for the planets However the results with the Q150P are FANTASTIC! I have a 150 F5 Newtonian (Bresser Pollux) at home I will start working on it and see if I can get some results!

@AstroProductReviews 6 ай бұрын

Great comparison 👍🏻 I’ve learned a lot about that Newtonian - Thanks!!

@CuivTheLazyGeek 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@AstroProductReviews 6 ай бұрын

I love your videos!! They are really excellent and informative! Fun, and easy to watch - wonderful work.

@mishkobre8147 Жыл бұрын

Such a great and detailed video Cuiv. Thank you, it was quite enjoyable to watch and learn, as it always is. I own Quattro 150P myself and i am looking forward to producing good images. Also, thanks for clarifying the diference between a "good" amd a "bad" focuser. It seems like ive got better one.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, and happy you got one of the good focusers!

@user-iv8fw2xh5z Жыл бұрын

I have the “junior” version of your sky watcher Newtonian, the 130 pds. It was a horror show attempting to collimate. I used the TRSCKOLLI collimator (used successfully on my 8” CC) and spent several hours trying to reach collimation. If the secondary was spot on, the primary was off and vice versa. Next used collimation cap and then cheshire. No luck. As a last resort I used my laser collimator for secondary and primary for collimation. I then checked it with the other three instruments that had previously failed and they now showed excellent collimation. Not sure why? This is a hobby that is equal parts frustration and bliss. Always great videos Cuiv.

@heslopneil Жыл бұрын

Good morning Cuiv, Thanks for the video; very informative. I have seen your other collimation video on the Quattro 150P. More data for your focuser observations: I am in NZ and have the "lower quality" one - shipped from Australia originally I imagine. I've come across a KZfaqr from the Pac NorthWest with the same. But ... I've seen a young guy from the Netherlands with the "better" focuser. You roll the dice I guess ! 🤷‍♂Anyway, your imaging looks great so I will try and emulate that.

@iisunshinei1501 Жыл бұрын

Hey cuiv! loved this comparison loads! i recently got a Quattro 150p from FLO, and too say its absolutely mindblowing! i started with a C8 at native focal length, and have used that with a HEQ 5 pro, but to say i wanted a scope for nebulae was a understatement, really happy with it! i got one with the good focuser, so far ive not made any modifications, but i havent had any reflection issues or collimation like you had when you got yours, but to say its a amazing scope is a understatement especially for the price! was considering a hyperstar but they are just soo expensive, i couldnt bring myself to get one, thanks for the video! gave a really good comparison between the 2, went into details with them and gave pros and cons! really nice video

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

You've been very lucky!! Well done!!

@iisunshinei1501 Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek Thank you! thanks to your videos though i knew what i could be getting myself into, and for that i really thank you (: you help out alot! while also making great content

@melvyndavis2745 2 ай бұрын

Brilliant comparison - thank you!

@CuivTheLazyGeek 2 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@maxullberg1133 Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this video, it is interesting to see the diffrences and what to expect between different systems. Not just a "buy this" message. I just got my hyperstar C6 and have yet to try it out (bad weather and northern latitudes bright summer nights). For me the speed and availability, since I allready had the c6, was the deciding factor. I hope to be able to finish projects in one or two nights. Great job on the video, and a thank you for the detailed explanations and open minded approach to astro reviews 👍

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this feedback! I always try to be balanced when using scopes :)

@mikeisss79 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy these comparisons between OTA's. Very informative and entertaining as always. As an owner of the 8" Orion variant, I find this to be very interesting. I use mine with the Baader MPCC Mk.3 and an ASI174MC-Cool, which isn't great, but not terrible. I got lucky with the focuser and am really considering that spider vein upgrade if nothing else. Though I will say that mine appears to hold collimation pretty well, at least in regards to the secondary. I don't own an auto-collimator, but my friend does, so I just call him when I do need to make adjustments to the secondary. Which was only once 2 years ago when I first bought it. I do however need to collimate the primary mirror often, and it can be quite annoying. Still I think the fast newts represent a good value for someone looking to image the heavens. The C6 with it's capability of having at least 5 different focal lengths is definitely more versatile though.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Completely agree with this, and glad your newt is working well for you! :-)

@paths1111 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting comparison, thanks for the video! I think the results are consistent with expectations. Hyperstar is known not to be diffraction limited, and at 150mm it is possible that the Newtonian was performing close to the diffraction limit of 0.77" resolution for a 150mm aperture if your seeing was around 1.5"; so I would expect more detail out of the Newt even aside from Hyperstar collimation issues. The Hyperstar also has a much larger central obstruction than the Newtonian, so one would expect the lower contrast as well. Still, some really good results from Tokyo, narrowband for the win!

@ritacastil Жыл бұрын

Hi! Great comparison. I own a 200/1000 skywatcher newtonian since May 2022. It is my first and only OTA. I really love it. Contrary to you, collimation holds quite well, even when I displace it by car to a field location. No lights leaks whatsoever. The Achilles' heel is indeed the focuser! I am also looking for a new one. I came across the Lacerta OCTO60 2" focuser for Newton, which has three advantages: no need to drill new holes, the similar height to the original focuser, acceptable price. However, I haven't tried it, maybe you want to consider it in your search for a new focuser. Clear skyes from Portugal!

@randysmith7010 Жыл бұрын

Cuiv, Thanks for your thorough comparison of the C6 HyperStar and 6" Skywatcher Newt. Until recently, I used a C11 HyperStar very successfully for the last two years but wanted a filter wheel capability. I bought a Skywatcher 200P 8" newt for that purpose and fortunately, my Skywatcher 200P came with flocking and the better focuser for $850 but without the mirror mask and the spider upgrade I had all the reflection issues you noted making the results unacceptable. After making the mask and spider upgrades, adding a Starizona Nexus .75 reducer/corrector and getting a good laser collimator and lots of help from Starizona, I am pleased with the results. The C11 HyperStar shot at 540 mm F1.9 compared with the 600 mm F3 newt (with reducer) so I am at a similar focal length and image size. I can now use a filter wheel and get the tighter stars and sharper detail but the results are very close. I'm not ready to part with the C11 but that day may come. I have to say getting the newtonian upgraded and adjusted has been a struggle compared with the ease of use of the C11 HyperStar. If I had not wanted the flexibility of the filter wheel for narrowband imaging, it would probably not have been worth all the work but at this point, I'm glad I did it. Randy S

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Well done on that Newt Randy! It's exactly my feeling - the Newt is a lot of work (and learning) to get up to speed, but once done there are many advantages!

@danielduesentriebjunior 10 ай бұрын

Very helpful comparison and good tips for the Newt! For a while I was blinded by the fast SCT hyperstar. I have started with the Skywatcher 50ED following your building instructions for EAA, but moved to ASIAir mini because of problems with the poor rasperry WiFi and for not feeling at ease with Stellarmate. I have added a Zwo EAF autofocuser using a 3D-printed adapter from WEGA and the small ZWO guide telescope with the Zwo 120 mini camera. I am very happy with this light travelling set. For moving to a longer focal length I consider the 130PDS with a coma corrector. Very good value for money I believe.

@PagyBio Жыл бұрын

Once again, nicely done review! What upcoming focal reducer is It? Got really curious about it

@markmeridian3360 Жыл бұрын

I discovered essentially the same thing 30 years ago. I had an older 10" Newtonian (Cave-Astrola) that I sold to buy a 12" SCT (Meade, pre ACF). I set them up side-by-side with the new owner of the Newt and took a few long exposure hand guided (piggyback guide scope) photos (film) of nebula. Looking at only the central part of the images, the Newt was far sharper with much more contrast even though both scopes were well collimated. I ascribed this to the larger secondary obstruction of the SCT along with the SCT's corrector plate likely not completely correcting for spherical aberration. The difference was huge - there wasn't anything you could do to a film image to correct for optical imperfections and I was very sorry that I sold the Cave-Astrola.

@epielanonimo Жыл бұрын

I really like the versatility of the C6 and using it with the Starizona Reducers (x.4 and x.63) for small nebulae and medium size galaxies and tt can even do planetary with a 2x barlow.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, that's a huge advantage!

@Reverend-JT 11 ай бұрын

This is the perfect comparison for my GAS. I've had an itch for a while now...

@luiscastro1134 Жыл бұрын

Very in depth analisys, great video; any chance of doing a similar video with a Newt. vs a popular refractor, on the same ball park figure, for DSO?

@canen2031 Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for that video :) now I´m looking in that rabbit hole again :D

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Always happy to open the rabbit hole!

@gsparrow321 4 ай бұрын

I'd love to see this comparison with the 0.4 focal reducer on the SCT that roughly makes them both the same speed.

@astroshooter1960 Жыл бұрын

Loved watching this comparison .....

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

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@TimK-1971 Жыл бұрын

Star halos vs diffraction spikes ... Hmmm For as much as I like the wider field of the hyperstar, I prefer the detail and contrast of the newt. I think that all the mods you made to it have won the war - even if it's only in my opinion. Great results! Thanks for the video

@georgealincostea5640 Жыл бұрын

Got a Quattro 250 recently and it also came with the crappy focuser but it will do for now. The mirror mask really does make a difference. I use my Quattro with the SW CC for 1000mm @ f4 and the APM 1.5x CC for 1500mm @ f6. Also planning to get the Nexus for 750mm @ f3, so really three telesopes in one for the newt as well.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Good luck!!

@itzvsat5013 Жыл бұрын

Nice Video! I love your reviews and comparisons! When will you get the upcoming askar 103 app for testing? :P

@fazergazer Жыл бұрын

I put a curved secondary mirror spider on my small newt and saw sag from that too! ❤

@phfreddie6242 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@3dfxvoodoocards6 4 ай бұрын

Please make a similar comparison video with refractors vs reflectors, that would be extremely interesting.

@dumpydalekobservatory Жыл бұрын

Well that surprised me Cuiv I were thinking the faster system would win hands down but how wrong was I thinking that, I image with a RASA 11 V1 & that has tested my patience at times but when its works it works great, I've also imaged with a Newtonian at F4.8 which isn't that slow but I've never managed anything like the detail I've got with the RASA. Great video as always clear skies!!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I was surprised as well! I need to try out with broadband!

@jasonpatterson8091 Жыл бұрын

I think a newtonian is really no big deal if you're a tinkerer. If you want it to give perfect images out of the box, maybe not, but I'm the kind of person who would have taken the SCT apart and reassembled it anyway, just to see what its guts look like. I also just don't find my collimation wandering at all. Dunno if I'm lucky or what, but I'm using a 20 year old cheap Orion scope and perfectly happy with it. I also use my telescope for visual astronomy, so a hyperstar is completely out of the question.

@darkrangersinc Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the key is what you said for people that want to just put a camera on and have it work every time a Newtonian especially a less expensive one is probably not the best route If you get a more expensive imaging Newtonian in the two to $3000 range, then it will typically work pretty well as long as it’s collimated

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, in the end it's up to what each wants to do!

@anata5127 Жыл бұрын

I thought long time about “what should I select for wide field, Hyperstar, RASA, newton?” I think I made right choice - Tak Epsilon.

@darkrangersinc Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek I had the 200 Quattro similar to your other videos was actually the first customer to get the Starizona .75 Newtonian reducer so it was 600mm F2.9 but had focus tilt and was newer at the time so I gave it up but I would take it to bortle 2 skies and with that speed you could get great images in 2-3 hours under dark skies!

@jasonpatterson8091 Жыл бұрын

@@darkrangersinc After getting my cheap telescope sorted out (involving most of the modifications that Cuiv has done, as well as a different focuser) I've been really happy with the performance. The thing about Newtonians is that mirrors are super cheap, so the optics of even a low cost telescope are going to be perfectly fine for imaging (for f/5 and beyond and intro-level diameters, anyway). It's getting the housing for those mirrors in a condition that they can be used properly that takes some work. I'm an astronomy teacher and wind up taking my telescopes out for observation sessions with my students periodically, so being able to switch back and forth between visual and photographic purposes easily is really valuable to me as well. It's as simple as swapping a coma corrector and camera for eyepieces.

@mycarolinaskies Жыл бұрын

Nice basic comparison of differences in setups and costs. Since you're using essentially identical cameras some of your image difference can be traced to the pixel scale based on the 300 vs 517mm. There's a limitation with cameras for C6 and C8 Hyperstars due to their very short focal lengths where pixel size in common cameras can't get near the 2um mark with enough sensor size or bit depth to make the most of the fast focal ratio. The 9.25, 11, and 14" Hyperstar combos can take better advantage to get pixel scales with sweet spot of CMOS cameras on the current market and can take advantage of the maximum resolving power of the aperture at the focal length.

@jurgenterpe4121 Жыл бұрын

Cuiv, I have the Quattro 8" with the exactly same focuser like your telescope. But meanwhile I really did what you suggested - using bubble levels to correct the focuser draw tube and it worked really well - thanks so much for this tip!! By the way, you also mentioned to increase the pressure on the draw tube and this also worked for me. In fact, despite having the same focuser, I do not have the same issue of focuser slippage anymore. But I also replaced all adjustment screws on the focuser and tightened these screws very much. Now, everything stays in place for me. Before doing this I also considered replacing the focuser - but no good focuser is currently available in Europe. Maybe, you should retry increasing the pressure on the draw tube again - so strong that the EAF can just move the draw tube. Perhaps, this helps at least until you can replace the focuser.... Regards, Jürgen

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jürgen! I've done that before the video, but after the video noticed those screws are loose again. I guess I need to change the screws!

@jurgenterpe4121 Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek In this case you will also need longer screws like I did. The screws must be long enough so there are enough "grooves" to hold and tighten the focuser strong enough. After I replaced the screws it now works perfect.

@davidschaeffer5322 Жыл бұрын

The newtonian image is really nice. I think the hyperstar for that target would benefit if you dhad the cresent off center at like 10:00. You'd get the wide view of the surrounding nebula with the cresent off to the side.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Agree, composition is what I'm weak at!

@rv3211 Жыл бұрын

I ordered my 150P in the UK from a UK dealer and received the metal rail focuser.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad you got the decent focuser !

@jonkjon Жыл бұрын

It is interesting that the Starizona site has a sample image for the C6 V4 Hyperstar on the North America nebula using a filter that is not "high speed" and there seems to be an abundance of Ha. While I am sure the high speed variants will gather even more data, it seems that the other filters are quite adequate for many emission targets. I suppose for targets with limited Ha/OIII, there would be a larger difference. Regardless, I am quite impressed with the sharpness of the newt image vs. the C6 w/Hyperstar. Thanks for the comparison.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Both the IDAS NBZ (standard) and some good samples of the L-eXtreme can provide good results at F2, so I assume that's what they did! The IDAS NBZ though is a safe bet. I was also quite impressed by the Newt, and surprised too!

@fotoenvrossi3104 Жыл бұрын

I'm a beginner in astrophotography but I really like playing with my newton quattro 150p + asi 533mc. I think later I will change the secondary support, it seems too delicate and makes collimation difficult. nice comparison

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I think the 533 is a great camera for it, good field of view, easy to deal with, have fun replacing the spider!

@patolucas3146 Жыл бұрын

Great very helpfull video again thant's a lot ! Cuiv after several months of use are you still happy with your AM5? How does it perform ?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Very happy with it, it's performing very well!

@haggish7100 Жыл бұрын

Hope that you get the new Askar 103 APO for review soon, I’m planning to order that if’s as good as it looks. Cheers from Norway ✨🔭🙏🙏

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I didn't know of it, it does look delicious :-)

@Wombatzone31 Жыл бұрын

I love my 8inch Newt..... only reason for me to get an SCT is for the focal length for planetry, but ideally I would want a C8 or bigger in a SCT for that

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

For planets SCTs and truly amazing

@woody5109 Жыл бұрын

I have the Orion 8” with the cooling fan, the gap around the bottom is for air circulation. I see you have it blocked off, I live in a hot climate and need the cooling, I just make sure it’s dark.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

It's getting 38C these days in Tokyo, but there's no fan on my 6", I just let the heat radiate away in the early evening

@Hellbenderarms Жыл бұрын

Hey Cuiv, regarding your star trailing/sagging focuser. When the strain wave mount is used without a counterweight the center of gravity changes during the night. This will cause the loading on the tripod legs to change and can affect alignment.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Small change in PA right? Should be caught by guiding...

@iAmJawrge 4 ай бұрын

Loved the series so much that I got my hands on a Quattro 150 myself! Where could I get a dew/light shield like the one on your scope? I live in a pretty humid and light polluted area myself, so I need all the help in that department!

@Astrokhels 5 ай бұрын

I love my Hyperstar. It got to me to where my images are today cutting a lot time imaging. Having said that I’m looking at a NEWT that is also fast like sharpstar 2.8HNT. Like you’ve said HS are a bit on blur side of images every time and I had to extract every detail as it possible can. Most Newt images I’ve seen are actually sharp. Pretty sure collimation wont be as easy on the HS. Bright stars on a newt are spectacular with the spikes. The smaller ones are a bit wonky combination of tiny spikes and star glow/halo/diffraction combo. Although I’ve seen small stars that are processed perfectly showing the round star shape in the middle and spike.

@CuivTheLazyGeek 5 ай бұрын

I've drooled over the HNT scopes a lot, but everyone i know who's had one really struggled with collimation and never could get things fully right with an APS-C sensor. But then if you were to use a 585 or 533 sensor, I think it would be awesome!

@TheCynical0ptimist Жыл бұрын

This is a fun one! Do you think you'll eventually try some other focal reducer/ coma correctors for the newt as well?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Probably not on the Newt, it seems to already have a sweet spot there!

@Fat-totoro-cat Жыл бұрын

Hot take - calibration frames are a PITA and may not be needed with cameras that dont have amp glow. I am lazy and think they are more trouble than they are worth. The few times I have used them I end up with artifacts that are harder to fix than just using DBE.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

It's true that these days, especially with smaller sensors like the 533, and even more in narrowband with a good NB filter, flats can be eschewed. But on the Hyperstar for instance they're a must!

@reglogge Жыл бұрын

Thank you Cuiv for this fantastic and thorough comparison! One minor gripe: couldn’t you use the Newtonian also with just a plain 1x coma corrector or even one with slight magnification? That way the Newtonian isn‘t limited to just one focal length as you say in the video, just like the C6 with added focal reducers (which also don‘t come for free 😬)

@georgealincostea5640 Жыл бұрын

I use my Quattro 250 with the SW CC for 1000mm @ f4 and with the APM 1.5x CC for 1500mm @ f6. I also plan to buy the Nexus to also have 750mn @ f3. So yes, three telescopes in one for the newt as well :)

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Yep, in the video I said "the same range of focal length" :-) for me it would be 517mm vs 600mm which isn't that different, so wouldn't make sense to get something like an MPCC to achieve that! George has a great idea with the 1.5x CC though, I didn't know that existed!

@whatmattersmost6725 Жыл бұрын

Hi Cuiv, please do a test in your C6 without flocking paper and with flocking paper PLEASE....I also got that Asreo Filter you did a video on the Altair 4nm Dual band on the C6 Hyperstar PLEASE...

@kleanthiserotokritou 11 ай бұрын

Hey Cuiv thanks a lot for this fruitful analysis. I am curious though you leave all your setup on the balcony. How do you make sure they are protected against rain and sun? Do you use any cover you can share the details of it ? :) Thanks a lot

@CuivTheLazyGeek 11 ай бұрын

Yes indeed: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fdFpfJmqy8CUe4k.html

@MikeLikesChannel 11 ай бұрын

HyperStar'd SCT is always the answer, and yea at f/1.9... 290-390mm, quite forgiving :)

@fazergazer 8 ай бұрын

Do you, dither with every exposure in order to do drizzling, or do you do dithering after every other, for example, and do a whole lot of exposures?

@timothymaurer6720 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I think it is time to step up to a RASA 8 and see what an optimized Schmidt system can do. What say you Cuiv?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Hahaha but Celestron stuff in Japan is now sold by Vixen and has an outrageous 100% markup compared to US prices ..

@timothymaurer6720 Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek try buying used. I just picked one up for $1200 US. Of course, there will be shipping but it shouldn't be too bad.

@leftoff3rd Жыл бұрын

Hello! In my conclusion, I believe it would be fantastic if Starizona released both SCT and NT versions of their OTA with their respective Correctors. I have that much confidence in their Corrector.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Would be super cool if Starizona made their own scopes!

@nsdhanoa Жыл бұрын

I followed your advice and printed a tri-bahtinov mask for my C6 Hyperstar and it made it super easy to get good collimation. The f2 is a game changer. Also designed and printed a 4 spoked cable router to get Newt-like diffraction spikes on the Hyperstar. I also love the images from Newtonians but I found my Celestron AVX had trouble guiding well enough to take advantage of the extended focal length and Newts are just so large to carry around haha.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Yes there's also the mount to take into account - happy to see the C6 Hyperstar is working well for you!

@Neanderthal75 Жыл бұрын

I use a 6" Newt quite often. I bought an "upgraded focuser" from GSO, but I have to say it's still not as good as I hoped for. I use/used mono camera on it with a filter wheel and yes, even that will cause a sag on the "upgraded" focuser no matter what. So the Newt is really camera weight limited, because of focuser sag or tilt issues. I really just don't understand how these companies making these "astrographs" don't understand, that putting on a focuser meant for an eyepiece will not work and the "astrograph" is no longer an astrograph. Offer it with $300 more but with a good focuser that doesn't need to be replaced. Also remember, Cuiv listed his parts he bought, but don't forget the autofocuser, the collimation tools and all the extra time needed to be put in to make the Newtonian an "astrograph" it supposed to be from out of factory, and let's also mention that you might end up buying a coma corrector/focal reducer which can be $400-500, depending on the model. So a "cheap" Newtonian quickly becomes an expensive adventure and beyond $1500, where we were starting out at $500 for the scope originally. Just my 2 cents. In my opinion, buying an "astrograph" Newtonian is equivalent of buying furniture from Ikea, but with missing parts and tools to assemble it.

@wojtek_g4988 Жыл бұрын

Hi, what is the total weight of the hyperstar with all the gear on it?

@davidrousseau8066 10 ай бұрын

I'm planning on buying a set of 2 filters for my OSC. The Altair looks indeed very attractive but I also heard about the Askar Color Magic 3nm Duo-Narrowband filters (Ha / OIII and OIII/SII). Did you hear anything (good or bad) about the Askar magic filters for OSC? Thank you!

@CuivTheLazyGeek 10 ай бұрын

I don't know much about the Askar Color Magic filters so can't say for sure!

@zmija812 2 ай бұрын

Hey. what camera do you recommend most for SW 150/750 PDS, I'm wondering between 294 mc pro and 533 mc pro, can you advise? Regards

@tomatomaeg Жыл бұрын

My Quattro 150p came with that same focuser and it struggled to pull the camera up. Endless adjustments and mods later i bought a "2047" focuser and adaptor plate from the Meow astro guys who also make the UMi mount. Maybe soon my newt is the ultimate imaging scope

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Ooh sounds interesting, I'll have to check it out!

@tomatomaeg 11 ай бұрын

Just received it. This thing is built like a watch. All machined parts with love. Coma corrector slid in with zero tolerance. Still kinda taking it in, better than feather touch for quarter the money

@zhouzun Жыл бұрын

amazing work! I prefer NEWT😀

@TiagoRamos79 Жыл бұрын

The best sensor for the SCT6 is the 533MC Pro. You get the best of both worlds with this setup.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

The 533MC Pro is a good match indeed! The IMX571 is also a good match (and cropped to 533MC Pro FOV performs exactly the same!)

@shubinternet 2 ай бұрын

The newt has the advantage that you can attach more equipment into the optical train, and not impact the light being gathered. Yes, it will be more weight and mass on that focal tube, which you will have to deal with, but you should be able to do that. So, you could get an automatic filter wheel. You could get a camera rotator. You can get an off-axis guider. And so on. You can’t really get any of those three pieces of extra equipment on a RASA-style telescope, because then they would be blocking more light coming into the OTA. And they would move the camera much further away from the location of the secondary mirror. I’m still leaning towards an SCT myself, simply because you can use the Starizona Hyperstar conversion as one option for getting a faster telescope, albeit at the cost of focal length. But I haven’t actually bought either yet, so I don’t have any first hand experience to speak from. That’s why I’m watching this video, to get Cuiv’s take on this.

@shubinternet 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the focal reducers on the SCT do make a difference in my mind. And if I wanted to make up for the light lost due to the secondary mirror arrangement of the SCT versus the newt, I could go with the 8”. And the SCTs are also available in “Edge” models, which don’t have the same problems with the clips at the primary mirror, which require masking in the newt.

@trickies 2 ай бұрын

Where did you get the files for the skywatcher 3d printed dew shield

@TL1000S97 Жыл бұрын

You should change your "nick" to "The Eager Geek", because of all the effort you put in setting up your gear! 🤪

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Ha! Long term laziness ;)

@michaelbibby8636 9 ай бұрын

In terms of the versatility of the Newtonian, if you add the Starizona Nexus 0.75x reducer that will change the focal ratio to F3, which is significantly faster, and reduce the focal length from 600mm to 450mm.

@CuivTheLazyGeek 9 ай бұрын

Yep, I showed the Nexus on the channel before! But I prefer F3.5 for now, easier on narrowband filters

@michaelbibby8636 9 ай бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek What CC are you using?

@CuivTheLazyGeek 9 ай бұрын

@@michaelbibby8636 the default one that comes with the scope :)

@michaelbibby8636 9 ай бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek I can't find any information about it, do you know what its called?

@CuivTheLazyGeek 9 ай бұрын

@@michaelbibby8636 it's unique to the Quattro 150P, I don't think it's sold separately not even has a name...

@WilliFromEarth Жыл бұрын

Excellent comparison! What was the effective central obstruction for each setup taking all the addons into account?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I believe the Newt CO is 65mm (not counting the spider), and the Hyperstar is 80mm

@WilliFromEarth Жыл бұрын

Thanks. That would explain the larger stars in the Hyperstar.

@qx3V45p Жыл бұрын

Cuiv? Do you collimate your Newtonian with the corrector in place and screw the OCAL onto the corrector? Then when done replace the OCAL with the OSC without disturbing the corrector? I have a new build, an older 10in newt. astrograph and was sorta hoping I wouldn't have to disconnect the corrector from my NB image train each time I use the OCAL. Then again I'd still need some adapter to fit the OCAL to my 2in. focuser. Headaches.. Been working on this scope over a month now with all your suggested mods. First light will be early August. Thanks for the years of great vids my friend. Glad you're back and doing OK.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I personally remove the corrector!

@qx3V45p Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek That works for me!!! Thank you so much! :)

@jsn7123 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought a used Skywatcher Quattro 8C (that is the same they currently sell as 200P but mine has the carbon tube, no longer available). I thought it was a bargain just to learn that the focuser is totally hopeless 😡 Had to replace it with a decent one which cost almost as much as the telescope.

@gianlucabelgrado3624 Жыл бұрын

Do you know if the Newton corrector can correct up to 35 mm full frame? Or just for apsc?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

With that corrector, just APS-C

@PatrikHolmberg Жыл бұрын

I think the choice is highly individual. I who likes to tinker and optimize would go for the newtonian ota. Others that want a simpler life would probably go for the C6 Hyperstar

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Exactly Patrik!!!

@oocoder 9 ай бұрын

Can you add a barlow/Powermate to the Quattro 150p for small galaxies and planets?

@CuivTheLazyGeek 9 ай бұрын

Physically I guess so, but I haven't tried :)

@Apagadorable Жыл бұрын

Is that the edge of WR 134 in the right side of the hyperstar image?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I believe so yes, well spotted!

@WilliFromEarth Жыл бұрын

When looking at all the changes you had to make on the F/4 Newtonian, have you looked at other brands, who might have all or most of these modifications already built in, i.e. out-of-the-box? Like e.g. the TS Photon series?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Not at this stage!

@deep_space_dave Жыл бұрын

Great comparison video! I have always wondered if there are any advantages to using a Newtonian vs a HyperStar and yes the center obstruction does hurt the contrast but I am surprised to see that the mirror on the Newtonian doesn't! Thanks for the video and Clear Skies!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I was surprised by the results as well! I didn't expect the Newt to be so good haha

@johnadastra1754 Жыл бұрын

Would love to have a fast scope like these, but collimation would drive me crazy! 😵‍💫 Enjoy!

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

Yep, collimation wasn't fun, but now it's done, and only minor adjustments needed from time to time!

@ritacastil 11 ай бұрын

Have you already chosen a focuser ro replace the one on your beloved newtonian?

@CuivTheLazyGeek 11 ай бұрын

Still searching for the right soulmate ;)

@jodyschultz5870 Жыл бұрын

Wow! What the hell. So if I just want to buy a Newtonian that is ready to go with no flocking and changing out parts. What would you recommend? Is this the same for the 10 inch quarto?

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I don't know about the other Quattros unfortunately... The Vixen R200SS+Corrector PH is amazing as well

@astrofromhome Жыл бұрын

Great video Cuiv! Greetings from Germay! I like the Newtonian more than the Starizona even though I would love to have a f/2 telescope. Did you design the lense hood for the Quattro on your own? Is there any download source for the STL? I have an own build one but I would like to print one on my own. Those hoods that I was able to find on thingiverse I don't like so much.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

That lens hood is a proprietary design I'm not allowed to share (originally for the C6, incidentally). I wish I could share it!

@astrofromhome Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek very sad that you cannot share the lens hood stl. So I need to learn Fusion360 to build one myself for the Skywatcher 150. Tinkercad is limited to 1000mm which is not enough for the diameter that the lense hood for the newtonian telescope needs.

@astrofromhome Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek I am almost there to have a very cool 3D printed lense hood for a Skywatcher 150. I just have to do one more test print of the lower part that is going to attach to the telescope. 🤩

@astrofromhome Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek my lense hood for the 150 Skywatcher is completed now. Test fit has been successful and it does not need any additional material to fix it to the tube. 😃 So now I am desperately waiting for clear skies. Very sad uploading pictures to the comments is not supported by YT.

@guyjordan8201 Жыл бұрын

My first thought with your comment about the reduced detail in the hyper star is that the central obstruction size is much larger in the C6 with hyper star. Therefore, contrast will be lower. Is that affecting resolution? I do not know.

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

In theory it affects the diffraction rings and thus maybe resolution? But the Newt secondary is also quite large so I don't think that would be such a huge factor

@guyjordan8201 Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek - understood. I guess you could do a star test to get some kind of a standardize quality measure, but you have your functional answer.

@Chorge1972 4 ай бұрын

I want a „smaller“ Hyperstar, bringing the C6 to 800mmish with f5ish PLEASE

@donlindgren109 Ай бұрын

Why would the difference in focal length (500 newt vs 300 c6+hyperstar) NOT account for the difference in sharpness)?

@adventuresoflittlejohnny 7 күн бұрын

How can it be soooo quiet in Tokyo? No background noise at all....is it deserted?

@CuivTheLazyGeek 6 күн бұрын

AI noise reduction in the editing software, and stopping filming when trucks, ambulance, etc pass through

@fabriziocanale9768 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I’d like to have your opinion. I have a Newton 200/800 f4 with a total weight of 11.4 kg. I see you use a ZWO AM5; I’m thinking of switching to this kind of mount ZWO or an iOptron. Do you think they can handle it smoothly or at least with one counterweight as I have been suggested? Thanks, Fabrizio

@CuivTheLazyGeek Жыл бұрын

I honestly can't provide much feedback on this - it's best to check how others have done with the AM5! Although in theory it should be fine

@fabriziocanale9768 Жыл бұрын

@@CuivTheLazyGeek ok, thanks all the same for replying.

@Luftbubblan Жыл бұрын

🥳

@stevemacdonald2303 8 ай бұрын

I am getting dopson 8 in

@jeff5163 Жыл бұрын

I checked around and found the C6 on High Point's web site for $600. It appears to be the same scope Agena has for $840. Do you know if they are the same scope?

@donlindgren109 Жыл бұрын

I sprung for highpoint’s $600 c6 thinking I had pounced on a really good deal; I returned it. I could tell by the packaging it had been thru someone else’s hands before me. The corrector plate had a 5/8” lightning bolt scratch and for Hyperstar, the corrector plate was not well centered to the primary at all. Went to my local Astro store and put my $839 down on a “replacement” c6, it was properly packaged “as from the factory”, the collector plate was well centered to the primary and the glass was pristine. It is a very good copy… got what I paid for. They appeared to be the very same scope, but, ah, “different.”