SDWAN Failover and Bandwidth Aggregation Explained

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⏱️ Timestamps ⏱️
00:00 SD WAN and WAN Failover
01:59 Dual WAN Setup
06:14 Dual WAN with SDWAN
11:10 Multipath TCP Linux & OpenMPTCProuter
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@brandoncurrell1465 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tom. I work for a company in the UK that develops SD-WAN software and provides it as a managed service. This is the first video I’ve seen that nails the architecture, benefits and pitfalls so far. I was especially surprised you mentioned out of order packets, which is an issue we’re developing a fix for in our software stack right now. However, just to note, in our experience, VoIP doesn’t seem too affected by OOO packets, at least over here. Our maximum latency differences are less than 100ms 99% of the time, so I wonder if that has something to do with it, but I think VoIP has some sort of re-ordering built into it already. Our main issue has been with SMB file transfers, which basically covers samba on Linux, or any network share on Windows. We also noticed issues on files served over HTTP/S by a Windows web server. We confirmed it was caused by OOO packets when we loaded our dev software for testing and managed to improve a Windows based HTTP download from ~30Mbps up to the full ~200Mbps we had available.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and that's interesting.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

@asdrubale bisanzio it does use UDP but in regards to the fail over the call still drops when there is not a SDWAN solution because of the NAT ports initiated for the call have to be recreated on the other interface.

@pepeshopping 2 жыл бұрын

@asdrubale bisanzio Finally, somebody that does know.

@joshsmith4998 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation! Always love watching and learning from your vids.

@eddieguinn2445 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all the information and steady content!

@GeorgeG472 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been trying to figure out this dual WAN thing in my lab for a couple days. I’m glad I revisited this video.

@bw_merlin 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I had no idea SDWAN had both an onsite and offsite/hosted component, learnt something new.

@aandecomputers1 Жыл бұрын

Awesome work and great explanation 👍 thank you.

@nathanielswanson5730 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your videos! I'm currently working on implementing flexiWAN which is an opensource SD WAN solution.

@greggcollins1821 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation and illustrations.

@saibot293 2 жыл бұрын

Good work. More videos like this please.

@manslayerdbzgt 2 жыл бұрын

Way to go Lawrence you rock

@berndeckenfels 2 жыл бұрын

Tom :)

@JonMajorCCIE47884 2 жыл бұрын

Just want to take a moment here to say, I run Speedify VPN directly on my VyOS router at home. It seamlessly allows me to aggregate 2x DSL connections and a 4G modem. If a line fails, I don't even notice it, when all lines are active individual flows see the agg. bandwidth (i.e. If I'm downloading/uploading, I'm getting the full bandwidth of all 3 circuits combined). Rock. Solid.

@devinself2104 Жыл бұрын

But does Netflix still work or is the traffic flagged as coming from a VPN?

@JonMajorCCIE47884 Жыл бұрын

@@devinself2104 they having streaming bypass to help with that, so Netflix doesn't go over the tunnel. It worked fine enough

@ChrisNicholson Жыл бұрын

@@JonMajorCCIE47884 blocked access to several sites thou. Charles Schwab, JC Penney, and other misc. Have to have the bypass button ready or add domains in the CLI.

@JonMajorCCIE47884 Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisNicholson they do have a cli domain bypass I thought? But you're totally right, while it has its benefits, it needs a fair bit of tweaking lol.

@ChrisNicholson Жыл бұрын

@@JonMajorCCIE47884 I purchased the dedicated server option to try to avoid this sort of thing. Too bad it geolocates to Canada and breaks even more stuff. Found a public Server in Jersey that "more things work" on it rather than the paid for dedicated server.

@Harry_Bl44346 2 жыл бұрын

great explanation!

@JzL Жыл бұрын

Excelent explanation

@allynonderdonk7577 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not heavily into the pros and cons of the subject, but I have used Pfsense and Carp to great effect. It does much the same as what your were talking about.

@AIONizandoCR 2 жыл бұрын

But pfsense can't keep the sessions when the public IP address changes, and that will happen, if you have two different internet connections

@allynonderdonk7577 2 жыл бұрын

@@AIONizandoCR True. Typically other than a voice call most would establish a new session quickly enough. In the age of high availability internet connections who wouldn't just call back. The first thing a business does is usually get a call back number. The person on the other end of the phone wouldn't know who hung up the call. It might happen to 1in 10000 or 1 in 100000 calls for large businesses. Though Carp routers are essentially sdwan type appliances which will route information between multiple available servers at multiple locations. Honestly I don't know enough to say if carp would kill a session or not. It just works for me, never had an unrecoverable issue. Basically never had a problem at all. Pfsync manages the sessions and for me hasn't dropped the ball. Basically it can seamlessly route the traffic flow to a new firewall no problem. So well I don't know if it hasn't worked in actual practice.

@allynonderdonk7577 2 жыл бұрын

@asdrubale bisanzio No I don't think it does true bonding at all. It is basically failover, but pfsync does a really good job of maintaining connections. In multi wan configurations it does a really good job on a pfsense router.

@FaithMediaChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks again

@IamKhoramdin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@bleeb1347 8 ай бұрын

You can do perfect load balancing with Silverpeak as long as you are smart enough to deploy BGP or OSPF in your network. You’re never going to get true load balancing with static routing. We do BGP on the WAN interfaces to L3 switch stack interfaces, and do OSPF on the LAN interfaces from the L3 switch stack to the Silverpeaks. It would make more sense if I drew it for you, but it’s pretty simple. We’re POCing a SASE solution to replace SSL-VPN, SDWAN and Zscaler right now, and most SASE solutions give you much better aggregation and load balancing, without having to think about app control based egress or just failover.

@RobbyPedrica 2 жыл бұрын

Link aggregation and failover are sub parts of sdwan but a solution with aggr and failover is not necessarily an sdwan solution. Sdwan incorporates a lot more than just aggr and failover eg. Underlay/overlay, application steering, link quality monitoring, session persistence, etc. What you discuss here is oversimplified and more akin to simple aggr and failover.

@Viettzz 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video man! So where can I order the SDWAN device? and how much is it?

@AfifAhmad 2 жыл бұрын

Can you please do a video on BGP?

@mrhacker99999 2 жыл бұрын

FlexiWAN

@viscopaul18 2 жыл бұрын

Just wondering if you could do a review of entry level tp link tl-r605 failover or aggregation(if supported). Cheers mate!

@shubinternet 2 жыл бұрын

I would also like to see a comparison of Speedify versus Peplink versus Silverpeak versus ZeroTier versus other SDWAN solutions you know that integrate with the firewall software you're familiar with.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

I won't have time to do that anytime soon.

@shubinternet 2 жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS dang. Because that is the type of comparison that seems to be missing in the industry. 😔

@ravneillal 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Im using a TP-Link TL-R470T for over 5 years now to wan bond connections at my home. I have 2 dsl and 2 lte services. I get combined speeds of all 4 connections at any given time, if a isp connection drops i dont notice it at all. Everything is seamless. I just had to create a policy in the router to instruct source ip's to go over all the wan ports and thats all. Im not using any VPS either free or paid to have this. This router supports WAN bonding natively out of the box.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

Load balancing and bonding are not the same thing.

@RyanPetty 2 жыл бұрын

Would be great to see an explanation of how to do this with UniFi.

@wizdude 2 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to see this natively supported on the edgerouter. It has been discussed on the forums but there is nothing included as part of the default distribution that permits this. I’m trying not to make the edgerouters I deploy too non-standard. Perhaps if you are interested in this too you could join the Ubiquiti forums and upvote or comment on some of the posts about this.

@kylelaker539 10 ай бұрын

Now i know why wireguard can't fail over seamlessly but untunneled devices does failover. Edit: I have to do full restart or router and manage switch just to make it work on wireguard when wan1 got a packetloss.

@berndeckenfels 2 жыл бұрын

Sd-wan means use overprovisioning IP to replace MPLS? ,) Maybe one das we get proper MPTCP devices then we can skip the Proxies and service providers.

@wizdude 2 жыл бұрын

I have customers that have replaced their MPLS services with dual commodity internet providers as part of their private WAN solution. Some of them have been using the Citrix SD-WAN solution. It works really well. I’d be keen to see a really well designed open source solution that provides the same level of functionality.

@thegrizzlytech3416 2 жыл бұрын

What product are you using for the visio like presentation?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

Diagrams.net kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpmZmLubrp2-g58.html

@chrismeyers2575 2 жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS How do you make your connecting lines move?

@MrHector6711 Жыл бұрын

Hey there what program did you use for creating the diagram?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9Z2ZMxq2MypemQ.html

@chucksw1 2 жыл бұрын

My employer has decided to use SilverPeak SDWAN for our remote offices...

@Ballebek01 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent choice. Designed quite some SDWAN solutions in the past years and SilverPeak is still my favorite.

@oussamakarem5744 2 жыл бұрын

hello, please can you tell me the name of software used to draw diagram of network architecture, tanks.

@LeGoog2008 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry wrong link: www.diagrams.net/

@oussamakarem5744 2 жыл бұрын

thank you ❤️

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpmZmLubrp2-g58.html

@oussamakarem5744 2 жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS thank you 😇✌️

@joeltyler3427 2 жыл бұрын

There is Oneweb satellite and others. As well starlink.

@Max6711 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, what are your thoughts on the OpenSource FlexiWAN? I think they are from Israel.

@agbefii8453 2 жыл бұрын

speedfusion from peplink

@Skipp28TN 9 ай бұрын

Let me help here. Using voice or video. Use per packet. Not using per session might work. Have a data center need in bound there is 1 to consider.

@lolololowbx280 2 жыл бұрын

Netmaker and wiretrustee please

@wizdude 2 жыл бұрын

These both look like awesome projects, but they both look like mesh network solutions and I can’t see if either of them support multiple WAN connections. Perhaps I am wrong and can’t find it in the documentation. Do you know if either of these projects support multiple WAN connections?

@thatLion01 2 жыл бұрын

Does this require special setup on the isp side?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

Nope, they are just transporting the data to the VPS server of the SDWAN solution.

@thatLion01 2 жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS do you recommend any good sdwan provider?

@dannythomas7902 2 жыл бұрын

I'm having real problems with pfsense wireguard maybe it need updates

@AlupMare 2 жыл бұрын

How about BGP between ISP?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

BGP is a completely different topic.

@fooey88 2 жыл бұрын

How are you able to use the exact same WAN IP between 2 different ISPs?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

That is a feature and SDWAN service can provide

@ArthursHD 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it increase latency?

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but very very slightly.

@ChrisNicholson Жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS kind of depends on the VPS.

@monamoralisch264 2 жыл бұрын

plz shave nxt time ;) :)

@pepeshopping 2 жыл бұрын

You CANNOT aggregate bandwidth with multiple uplinks!!! Need to go back and learn how TCP flows work, but in a few words, you can send 2 different streams/flows through the 2 uplinks, but just like LAGG, one stream/flow can only travel one path, not both! Zerotier makes it clear: Traffic distribution and balancing can either be PACKET or FLOW based, where ONLY packet based protocols can be multiplexed among multiple uplinks (i.e. UDP, which is NOT used for most communications). And Nah. If you are gonna go and have to use a VPS, you may as well do it yourself and not rely on their servers? (using VPN and NAT can work around overlapped network addresses easily). Doing this for a customer so they can have any 2 local ISPs but their VPN connectivity to their app provider is done in a VPS host and that way business continuity is assured.

@LAWRENCESYSTEMS 2 жыл бұрын

You CAN aggregate bandwidth with multiple uplinks when using a SDWAN solution that supports it.🙂

@ChrisNicholson Жыл бұрын

@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS like Speedify. So long as the server you need to connect to, doesn't ban you for using a VPN.