I will tell the truth, I cant hold myself from dancing VIOLENTLY in the house when hearing that intro beat 4:51
@leftblank60363 жыл бұрын
I'm normally air drumming tbh
@robertglass56783 жыл бұрын
I love that he is talking about all the nuance involved in conversations on race. This is what we need.
@Sebastian-hg3xc3 жыл бұрын
We do, but speaking from personal experience, lefties care little about nuance. They have a clear picture of their enemy. Once you indicate that you don't fully share their views on any of these "controversial" issues, you're automatically in the same boat as all the other people that exist (that say far more extreme things than you are) and all those who allegedly exist (e.g. those white supremacists that we are always hearing about). The core problem, then, is that for them, all discussion of these issues has been done and we therefore don't need to discuss these issues further, e.g. the claim that whites are racist is axiomatic to their world view. It can't be challenged.
@Sebastian-hg3xc3 жыл бұрын
Ironically you can very clearly observice this effect further down in the comment section of this very video. I'm reading someone named Martian Anthropologist cite some positions and arguments from Thomas Sowell's books and someone called odinata constantly and from what it looks like intentionally misunderstanding him over and over again.
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@Sebastian-hg3xc the end of history was always just the perception of an empiricist who denies the very existence of the empirical world. See Stafford Beers
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@Sebastian-hg3xc they unknowingly negate all subjectivity through negation of their own. This is clear even by how they refer to human differences by assigning it a color. Their ignorance is visible for anyone to see. Hypocrisy is the privilege of the powerful. So then if they negate all subjectivity including their own then we can conclude that they are not the cause of their own understand on these matters, but are actually performing a role being given to them. They act as puppets who dance to the tune of their unobserved observer yet they call it democracy. Can freedom of Will be expressed without the unfree Will of others or is total freedom just the domesticated unfree Will of everyone?
@MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the idpol guys have arrived
@hifibrony3 жыл бұрын
Sean, I am a big fan and have read your books and followed your lectures and podcasts for a long while. You conversation with Professor Graham is one of the best discussions I have heard in quite a while. He's a very subtle and interesting thinker and as always, you rock.
@ticklefights3 жыл бұрын
Speech is violence? Agreed. I'm deeply hurt by the idea that speech could be violence - it should be illegal to say that speech is violence.
@Haltung3 жыл бұрын
You are not overly bright.
@Haltung3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 Fighting windmills and strawmen only exposes your need for mental health professionals.
@Haltung3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 Why do you keep repeating that as if it was somehow not clear to everyone? That is not the issue. You used 5-year-old level irony to attack a strawman of a position. It exposes a detachment from reality. That is why a visit to a mental health professional is obviously in your future.
@Haltung3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 It is totally obvious fact to anyone sane, that words (speech) can cause damage. For example people can be accused of being racists, pedophiles, communists etc. and find their lives in ruin. Also non-physical bullying traumatizes (i.e. damages) countless children every day. Only question is where the lines should be drawn. Personally I favor Chomsky's position, who supports extremely wide freedom of speech. But you can't even face reality and instead make a childish caricature (strawman) of the issue to avoid any thinking.
@odinata3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 You must have missed what happened to the Capitol police officer who was killed by a mob whipped into a frenzy by the idiotic speech of a sour grapes loser.
@DudokX3 жыл бұрын
Lately there was a streak of really interesting guests and nuanced ideas. Good work Sean
@I-0-0-I3 жыл бұрын
Great episode. I love that you keep the focus of this show very broad. Otherwise, I think I would get bored.
@noahway133 жыл бұрын
Sean denies existence of Cancel Culture, while the whole time tip toeing on thin ice and distancing himself from any solid ideas that are controversial.
@Sebastian-hg3xc3 жыл бұрын
11:02 I think these are the most important sentences that Roderick ever spoke - a very good summary of what sociology is compared to the natural (actual) sciences: "a little goo-y and icky, very imprecise. can't put it in numbers, but it is important" (to him).
@Sebastian-hg3xc3 жыл бұрын
29:30 Asking people on the internet to respect you is a very clear sign that this person has very little conversational experience on the internet. Maybe they exchanged a few tweets in the echo chamber that is Twitter, but you don't get respect on the internet by asking or even demanding it. That's just not how respect works. Respect has to be earned and on the internet you start out as no body, so obviously nobody respects you. As a keyboard warrior myself I'll put forward my 2 most important points for conversations on the internet: 1) Don't get triggered by overly rhetorical or aggressive comments. Most of the time people write these comments to set themselves apart from others and therefore gain attention. There are too many people on the internet and if you want to stay out, you have to put in the extra insult. 2) Try not to misrepresent and always point out when someone else misrepresents you. The most common fallacy that kills discussions on the internet is that people will unintentionally or even intentionally misrepresent your position, usually in a way that makes it easier to defeat "your" argument. If someone isn't interested in what you have to say, there is no sense in further talking to them.
@woody76523 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Sean.
@ibrahimtall62093 жыл бұрын
I disagree on so many levels. You and Graham had a very respectful and interesting conversation, but I disagree on so many points. Saying MGTOW inevitably leads to women hating is ridiculous. It certainly can, but in the same way only listening to Fox News COULD make you think that racism doesn't exist or only listening to CNN COULD make you think someone's automatically racist if they voted for Trump. YOU need to TRY to think critically and have the DESIRE to not fall into these group think traps. I'm not down w/ this silencing voices bs, unless you're calling for the death of a certain group of people or ACTUAL violence against people...leave them be and let them speak. What neither of you are acknowledging is that conservative voices are far more often targeted and cancelled because the media is overwhelmingly dominated by PC woketavists. If it was the other way around I'm sure a lot more people would suddenly become free speech advocates. Words ARE NOT violence. Bc we younger generations feel that way doesn''t mean it should be accepted. The definition of violence has worryingly changed to include words bc we are a coddled generation looking for problems and losing a sense of meaning in this technological and social media age. As for bullying, the onus is on the one being bullied to turn off their phone, let maliciousness roll of ur back, and STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. It's somehow now taboo to promote fighting back it someone is even physically assaulting. That's not to say that bullied kids don't need support systems, but the world is cruel and telling the bullies to stop bullying shows parallels to our tendencies to just silence dissenters. It symbolic and superficial action that doesn't actually treat the real issue and actually exacerbates it. It's not actually helpful. We also fail to acknowledge that we are ANIMALS subject to evolutionary biology and are ill equipped to navigate this brave new world. It's a thin veil of culture and civilization we wear, so I'd say it's a miracle and hopeful that we've even done as well as we have. EVERYONE has their prejudices. As for privilege, if you are American you are ridiculously privileged compared to the rest of the world. That's something I think we don't talk about enough. So much grieving and not enough GRATEFULNESS for what we do have. Being grateful has been scientifically proven to be key to mental health, even in the face of horrors, so getting absorbed in perpetual victimhood thinking is the antithesis of happiness and mental health.
@Finkledorfed3 жыл бұрын
Everyone dancing around cultural differences that are the real issue behind racism here. The cultural differences are not bound by race, in my opinion it is very class based and localized. What you have with the racial equality movement is a heap of its supporters looking for help. Nobody wants to tell them that the way they are, their culture, is what is keeping them from "success" in today's culture. Which has been exacerbated by social media and molded by group mentality.
@deeptochatterjee5323 жыл бұрын
Are you implying that the lack of higher socio-economic outcomes for black people is because if their culture? I feel like there's a lot of research and historical practices that would suggest differently Edit: or are you saying the cultural aspects are inherent to the class?
@odinata3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 So you believe that all cultures started out with equal standing, resources, and opportunity? What year in history was that?
@odinata3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 Your point appears to be that it is the culture that is responsible for its own mistreatment, and not the footing that the culture is given. And that's where you are wrong. You aren't going to learn much if you are more interested in protecting your own right wing viewpoint than you are in understanding others
@odinata3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 Hey, maybe try not to simply cherry pick the community you are angry at for lone wold cases that happen to agree with you. You seem to going at this backwards. Try opening your mind. See what the multitudes who have rejected Sowell have to say. At least try to show some empathy. Seems like you've been radicalized. Stay away from the Gun Shows.
@odinata3 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 You definitely should. Sounds like you need to try more than just "Atlas Shrugged" and the "Turner Diaries." There's a whole other world out there. Sowell didn't nail. There's a real problem here. It isn't all about you.
@orihoola3 жыл бұрын
Both of these fellows have some smooth voices
@platonicdescartes3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to state that I gave this a thumbs down not for any of the reasons one might think from this discussion. It was mostly a good discussion, but when it became readily apparent that he has a serious blind spot when it comes to Christianity, and in particular it's negative effects on the African American community, I have to question the blind spots he permits in the other avenues of his research as well. This wouldn't be as big of a deal if not for the fact that his area of research has direct consequences to this issue.
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
Is; Ought idiot the comment
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@Descartesdom77 what did Jesus teach? Surely you should be able to tell me
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
The comment did not read Heidegger. Just another piss poor job of metaphysics as usual
@andrear.berndt95043 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this new episode!
@keybutnolock3 жыл бұрын
Informative .
@LoganHudak3 жыл бұрын
Well, I for one, am offended.
@Rattus-Norvegicus3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a podcast concerning AI from a transhumanist perspective. Edit* Specifically how individuals may benefit from romantic relationships (even sexual) with AI.
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
What is modern pornography? Benefit? Does it appear as though these people are benefiting?
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
Never read any of that psychoanalysis the comment
@Rattus-Norvegicus3 жыл бұрын
@@puppetperception7861 What the fuck are you on about??
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@Rattus-Norvegicus 1. Romantic relationships 2. Artificial Intelligence Pick one
@Rattus-Norvegicus3 жыл бұрын
@@puppetperception7861 Why?
@bsg8063 жыл бұрын
What is wrong with being racist?
@tomasroque33383 жыл бұрын
It leads to hateful behavior that hurts people (see all of history)
@bsg8063 жыл бұрын
@@tomasroque3338 Nope. Most wars were due to religion, not race.
@tomasroque33383 жыл бұрын
@@bsg806 I also think religion is a bad thing, but that's not the point. Racism leads to hateful behavior that hurts people.
@bsg8063 жыл бұрын
@@tomasroque3338 Not if you have monoracial society.
@tomasroque33383 жыл бұрын
@@bsg806 You can't maintain monoracial societies nowadays without genocide + terrible economic&social policies, so... *no* Unless you're a based Chad who wants to incentivize migration and miscegenation until we're all the same shade of brown, and then we'll all be the same race. OR you could go the woke Chad approach and deconstruct the meaning of race until it no longer exists in any real way, and we'll all be part of the same human race. But, really, even if you did somehow achieve a monoracial society, it'd just become a warmongering power motivated by racial hatred, and the international community would have to act against it - in whatever way necessary to stop it. One question: are you a Zionist or a Nazi? I can't tell anymore when I see a race-realist ethnonationalist with Jewish-related signifiers.
@Haploanddogs3 жыл бұрын
Podcasts have existed for 20 years. The BBC had a podcast in 2001
@Daz0505713 жыл бұрын
Technically there were no "podcasts" until after the iPod? Not sure what they were calling them but it had to be something else.
@Haploanddogs3 жыл бұрын
@@Daz050571 The Ipod came out in 2001
@Daz0505713 жыл бұрын
@@Haploanddogs The first documented use of the term is 2004, the iPod wasn't ubiquitous at it's initial launch, Sony and a few others had competing products that were eventually surpassed by the popularity of "Pods". Type "Podcast" into Google, click the "Wikipedia" link :)
@singularonaut3 жыл бұрын
Podcasts it's just another world for conversation of one or few peoples, like radioshows or TV long-lasting interviews
@richardbrucebaxter3 жыл бұрын
I will defend to the death a citizen's right to call prostitution "sex work", however this does not mean young girls should not be distanced from this framing (as far away as humanely possible). No little girl grows up wanting to be a prostitute. All women involved in this activity have been sexually abused/used; whether through sexual assault, being taken advantage of, child abuse, manipulated into self-objectification (compromising their dignity/innocence as a long-term partner and therefore generating commitment to their abuse state), conditioned into sexualisation by the advertising of arbitrary products (mimetics), have experienced opportunistic short-term male reproductive strategy (misinterpreting adoration of their fertility as love) in what they thought was a mutual (genetically cointerested) relationship, have mental abnormalities, etc. The current state of the psychological research on this topic is poor/lacking because of the ideologically biased social sciences and the sensitive nature of the evolution of sexual desire/reproductive strategy. Research the Nordic model.
@thedonglekhan54483 жыл бұрын
Yea thats pretty much sums it all up, good read
@twonumber223 жыл бұрын
"all women involved in this have been sexually abused" doesn't sound accurate. lol
@LoganHudak3 жыл бұрын
Guess who took women’s studies in college
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
The comment and that avatar. We can do better
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@richardbrucebaxter you correct sir. However instead of attempting to make a slot machine sing a melody, just understand that people are not slot machines and that living well does require beauty in both our actions and perceptions. Just like the slot machine our perceptions can be controlled and manipulated. The confusion comes from trying to control the slot machine rather than the way in which we engage with it. The casino was always just one big theatre within a theatre
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
People are not colors
@deeptochatterjee5323 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone said they are?
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@deeptochatterjee532 you sure about that?
@deeptochatterjee5323 жыл бұрын
@@puppetperception7861 yes I'm very sure (at least in the context of this video)
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@deeptochatterjee532 I will take another look at it to be sure myself
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
@@deeptochatterjee532 2:38 from the man himself. I admit I did not watch the video but it did not take long to find it. @Sean Carroll Are you a color?
@psyseraphim3 жыл бұрын
Agnostaracist
@puppetperception78613 жыл бұрын
This disregarded meme flag has brought light to day for once
@tomasroque33383 жыл бұрын
@@jengleheimerschmitt7941 Maybe they don't have a position on being Racist because they lack information?