It’s a weird time on the internet. Some comments here are accusing me HATING the MCU now. Meanwhile a video posted yesterday calling me out as an MCU shill. Haha PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! The internet is a wild place.

They focused on quantity over quality, it's a shame really.

The 65% male number is especially telling: it turned OFF women if GOTG3 was 60% male. Women don't want to be pandered to.

I definitely think that the biggest factor was just the premise of the film. The team up of characters that we really don’t care about never would have lead to a good outcome. The reason why the Avengers worked is because there was at least one movie (that was good) for almost every character, and the more minor characters in the film (Hawkeye and Black Widow) were expanded upon in the movie. We cared about all of the characters.

Thankful for your final point, Sean! It's refreshing to hear from you! Movies are fun and should be fun, and I'm glad your discourse and opinions reflect your view on movies in general, that cinema is a place to escape and enjoy ourselves. I hope more people will have that viewpoint! Appreciate your work, man.

Sean's breakdown of 'The Marvels' is truly *MARVELous*

“Great marketing starts with a great product” is something Disney really needs to listen to. Sure, you can get away with great marketing with a crap product, but it’s so much harder. Marvel at its peak was so successful because they made good movies consistently, and fans trusted them to tell interesting and fun stories. The longer the streak of mediocre to bad movies and shows continues, the less fans are willing to believe it could be a great movie or show.

I’m so tired of the culture war nonsense too. I audibly grown when I see “GET WOKE GO BROKE!!!” or “M-SHE-U!!!” in people’s thumbnails just as much as when I hear someone say “WE NEED THIS TO APPEAL TO EVERYONE!!!” or “I CAN’T CARE IF THERE ARE NO MINORITIES!!!”

Along with everything you mentioned, I also believe most families are struggling financially and are only paying for the essentials. What's the cost now for a family of 4 with snacks at the theater? $100.00?

The “homework” angle was where they lost me. Watching the first movie in a franchise before you check out the sequel is one thing, but being told you have to see like 6 movies and 3 TV shows to get the story, you begin to feel it’s not worth it.

The only two truly good Marvel movies after Endgame have been No Way Home and Guardians 3.

“Don’t bring the crap of the real world into my fun talking about grown ups in cosplay punching CGI aliens in the face!” That is so hilariously worded but also hits the nail right on the head. The fact that this kind of toxicity is centering around superhero films is complete idiocy! Let’s just enjoy the films for what they are and friggin get along!

To be perfectly honest, I don't think waiting too long is a problem. The difference between the release dates of Captain Marvel and The Marvels is pretty much the same as the difference between the release dates of The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, and both of those Batman movies were incredibly successful

Well spoken Sean, well spoken

Marvel needs to change the way they do things. For one, stop going into production with half baked scripts, plan ahead, give writers more time to write a cohesive narrative and that will lead to less reshoots & less likely to put more money on the budget. That’s why Loki was as good as it was

Reason #10 is just too real. And it’s not just with the movie scene. It seems that with everything, especially “geeky” hobbies there’s no room for nuanced opinions. You either like it or hate, and your identity is based on how you feel about “x”. It really makes me hesitant to call myself a fan of something when all the videos I see are either “woke Disney fails again 😂” or “bigots cry over x movie” Like you said it’s just so unpleasant and it makes it tiring to have actual discussions about the film without it turning into some damn culture war or “anti woke” crusade

With The Incredible Hulk, there are also a lot of factors for why it underperformed in 2008. 1. it came out in the summer of the biggest recession in America since the early 20th century, so people were more inclined to be selective with what they paid to see. 2. it was a movie that was stuffed between Iron Man, The Dark Knight, Indiana Jones 4, Kung Fu Panda, Narnia, and Wall-E. it didn’t have much breathing room by comparison. 3. relative to all other MCU movies, TIH was played in the least amount of theaters at 3500, with the next closest movie being at 200 more. 4. people were hesitant to see it because of how much audiences despised Ang Lee’s Hulk in 2003, which created an unfair stench on The Incredible Hulk, and people weren’t generally sure whether it was a sequel or a reboot (when it was neither but also kind of both). 5. people forget how explosive the Edward Norton drama was in the celebrity tabloids, which placed a bad blood onto the movie before it came out, and caused people to read more into that instead of going to see the actual movie.

What a great breakdown! I appreciate you calling out toxicity on both sides of the haters and your connection between points 3 and 4 made a lot of sense.

I found your channel few days ago And now i am binge watching all your videos So fresh to hear a movie fan who will say he loves a movie if he loved it and says he hates a movie if he hated it May you grow to a million soon❤️

Dang, tough break for MCU 💀

The entire point of the movies for most of us, is seeing our childhood hero’s coming off the comic book pages onto a movie screen. The source material is abundant and full of quality storytelling. They decided to throw it all to the wind in an attempt to push an agenda through our beloved hero’s. They wanted to push an agenda. So, they searched for something popular and getting the attention of everyone - because their agenda would get more views. They found it in Star Wars and Marvel. Now we have are left with destroyed characters, destroyed storylines, and destroyed faith in humanity. They used our love for something positive and inspiring - to tarnish family values, relationships between men and women, society’s view of men, and feminine women. This is not the stories of hero’s struggling through daily life while also fighting against the forces of the current evil situation. This is an activism propaganda brochure said through the voice acting of paid political actors. And we see it for what it is - not a movie. It used to be advertising was free and paid for by the advertising company. It was something we had to endure at the beginning of our paid for movie or during commercial breaks at home on tv. Now they expect us to give up our money to watch 1 1/2 to 3 hour advertisements on how they want to restructure our society. We aren’t buying it . . . the tickets, or their view of society.

I think a big thing to is it comes out on disney+ in 2 months. So why spend money to see something that we can wait till streaming.

I watched the movie opening weekend, but to be honest, the fact that this was a (kinda) follow-up to Secret Invasion, a show so bad it makes She-Hulk looks like Breaking Bad, really burned me down to the MCU. No only this movie seriously damaged the MCU brand, it damaged the Marvels' section of the MCU brand.

This is excellent, Sean. Brilliant and balanced. I wasn't a huge fan of Captain Marvel, but did like aspects of it, the 90s vibe and especially Annette Bening. I've been losing interest in Marvel for a while now, so haven't seen Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion. I thought WandaVision started out brilliantly but I didn't love the ending. Therefore, I don't have all of my homework done for the Marvel so I won't be going to see it. I even have an annual pass for Cineworld so I could easily go, just not feeling it. I also thought Thor Love and Thunder was terrible by the way, that and the Eternals just make me sad. I'm a huge Ant Man fan too (I know I might get flak for that) and I haven't seen Quantumania yet. It just shows my lack of interest now, in a series which I loved.

The misogynism vs feminism discourse is not only tiring, but INTENTIONALLY disingenuous at best. Those claiming people hate the movie because it has girls in it: are we just going to ignore the fact that we all love movies such as Alien, Halloween, Terminator 1 and 2, The Help, Black Swan, Room, and other incredible movies with female leads that don't crutch on the simple fact that the film stars females? Are we also going to ignore the films we hated that starred male leads such as Incredible Hulk, Thor Dark World, Iron Man 2, Jurassic World Dominion, or literally any other critically despised movie with male leads. This isn't to say there aren't unreasonable people who hate movies simply because they star females. but to even attempt to focus the narrative around that inarguably miniscule population is silly. No reasonable people hate movies because they star males or females these days, they hate movies if they're bad movies.

We’ve been watching all these films and series for the last 3 years and where are the characters? Shang Chi, Eternals, Moon Knight, She-Hulk. Why haven’t we seen any of them meet up since? It’s all just so senseless with no cohesive STORY.

I am a huge MCU fan and it is a bit heartbreaking to watch it spiral in this direction, the Marvels was good but not great, and the trailer wasn’t what sold me… it was just my being a fan. I truly think that chatter and plot point breaks as well as too much shown in trailers take the fun out. I hope Deadpool trailers are as limited to what we see as the endgame trailer was

It flopped because nobody wants to watch a movie about a superhero who thinks they’re better than everyone else. Plus Brie Larson is a Karen in real life

Its like Feige isnt concerned about quality control

I respect your opinion. Here is a thought experiment. Imagine a $300 million movie set in the Barbie Universe, but with no Barbies, just a few Kens being the heroes fighting a Ken villain. Say it is a "fun movie experience". Do you think that would sit well with the moms and daughters that loved the first Barbie movie? Would it sit well with female empowerment activists? Do you think they would show up to that movie? Do you think Hollywood would ever think about making that movie? Of course not, yet they basically made the same movie in The Marvels set in the MCU Universe, and are somehow surprised no one showed up. BTW, no one goes to the movie theatre to watch a "fun movie". They watch those on Netflix or Amazon, etc. They get in their cars, find parking, pay for overpriced tickets, popcorn and soda, get into a closed space with strangers for GREAT movies and GREAT movie experiences not capable of being replicated on a large screen tv. Saying it is a fun movie tells everyone stay home and wait a few weeks for it to show up on Netflix.

Toxic? I’m attacked for not liking it. I’m sexist even tho I seen CM, Wandavision and Ms Marvel. I’m done with the MCU!

Ant And The Wasp didn’t get the same boost after Infinity War that Captain Marvel got before Endgame. Which is indeed weird but very true.

I personally largely tuned out of the MCU following Endgame, and I haven’t regretted it

I agree with all your points, but I do have a question regarding point #10. Sure there are toxic fans, but Marvel and Disney in general have been sort of gaslighting the culture war for years now since they put messaging into their films almost unapologetically at this point in time. My question is how do we handle it? It's personally driven me away from the MCU and I almost have to agree with what some of these Marvel-attacking KZfaqrs are saying about these movies. I don't agree with the toxic part of it all but I'd like to know how the fans who have been turned off by all the messaging can handle it without being toxic.

Sorry Dude, but is was Disney, not the fans who made this political and unpleasant. The director, Nia DaCosta, along with the star of the film Brie Larson, both have made their fair share of political comments regarding Disney and The Marvels. Disney itself has made many statements on its commitment to LGBT, social justice and DEI allegiance and how’s it’s going to reflect in their films. Disney’s blatant virtue signaling has gotten so ridiculous, that it’s now become comedic gold for South Park. Blaming half the fans for being toxic and political is a tactic I'd expect from Disney, not from you.

Disney knew this was a bad product hence the delay on release. So satisfying to see the flop after Captain Marvel "succeeded" using deception.

I hope this video is a views-monster for you because you were spot on with your takes! Sadly I don't think this is rock bottom for MCU as next years projects look more doomed than the past few years. Disney hates losing money we all know that, so I'm sure some heads may roll, but will it matter by then?

I had a similar feeling to Sin City 2. Thought they waited too long to do it and when it came out I didn't really care for it and felt it lost way too much if the momentum of the first.

Great video explaining the reasons Sean! I respect it. Now that said, i had an absolute blast with The Marvels and i felt that they made Carol Denvers so much better in this film than her debut film. I do feel really bad the superhero films keep underperforming

I’m not a big fan of marvel but I just got to say damn good video brother! So well said!!!

After similar videos like this for The Flash and Dial of Destiny (which I’ve not seen), I was waiting all these months for a similar video from Sean on The Marvels.

Very fair point about on-ramps, Sean. My fiance wanted to go see Captain Marvel, and I was excited since I had been an MCU fan from the beginning. On the way home, I explained how there were a ton of other movies and we went back on Disney+ to watch them all together. Captain Marvel was a perfect on-ramp for her. I thought The Marvels was fun, but I can't see it being that same on-ramp for many women like Captain Marvel.

I haven't really cared about anything from the MCU since Endgame. Sure, I enjoyed Far From Home and GoTG3, but neither were anything I wanted to see in the theater. Everything coming out is subpar

Feels like someone sat down and wrote my thoughts exactly. GGs.

You can't say Captain Marvel only made a billion because it came between Infinity War and Endgame, John Campea will cry! Even tho its absolutely true.

I definitely agree with what you said about the toxic fans on both sides being negative towards each other. I do miss the days when people weren’t as toxic on every little thing that everyone says about every subject.

Here's a big reason: nobody wanted to see it. The only reason the first one did well was because it came between the two Avengers movies and people thought they had too see it to keep continuity. If Cap'n Marvel was released after Endgame it wouldn't have done as well.

I would argue that The Marvels is better than Captain Marvel. I'm not saying it's great, I just really didn't dig Captain Marvel and actually had fun watching The Marvels. The only reason Captain Marvel made a billy, imo, is the fact that it was in-between two of the biggest movies of all time.

#10 is spot on, so many other dumb KZfaqrs have just feasted on hating on the actors and actresses.

Maybe captain marvel as a comic character is just lame, there is a reason rouge got to take her powers, much rather have that XD

This is why i dislike the Marvels. I am a major Marvel fan. They took the decades of rich history of Ms. Marvel who becomes Capt. Marvel to honor her mentor Mar-vel. (A male) 1. Capt. Marvel starts as Ms. Marvel, Then became in order Binary, Warbird, Ending as Captain Marvel. So much rich history lost in the movies with her. They Ignored all of the history the comics created from her. 2. Monica Rambeau our amazing African American character has been Captain Marvel, Photon, Pulsar, and Spectrum at various points in her rich history. who held the title and her powers was all Light based. AGAIN ignoring all her history in comics she has for over a decade. 3. Then the young Ms.Marvel which is a Inhuman NOT a mutant or some fancy bracelet powered kid..A third time ignoring all the comic history.. As a Comic reader from decades of reading these characters I am mad that the MCU/Disney ignored the history of these women and made them a dumpster 🔥. The writers a open Male Hating Feminist hired by Disney/Marvel. Is it to much to ask for a rich decades history based story? As far as Madame Web Trailers. This is not Madame Web of Marvel comic. This is some knock off spider woman theme. This is Marvel's Madame Web: marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Cassandra_Webb_(Earth-616)

Carol Danvers is a boring, unlikeable character that was forced into prominance because Marvel needed a female icon and the movie studio didn't have rights to female heroes the fans actually liked. Danvers has no noteable nemesis, no iconic runs, her origin story is bland an not compelling and there is zero given motivation for her even being a hero. the movie did a little better, but what they adapted was still too close to the comic character. they merely swapped the bossy, nasty bitch persona for a kind of expressionless plank of wood. Marvel fans have no love for the character and they have no reason to.

That final reason is why I didnt see it, so toxic

I watched Thor the Dark World recently - it's pretty good.

Most fans are just fed up with woke Disney thinking diversity is more important then quality...

Captain Marvel was *never* popular. It was required watching for End Game or it would have never reached $1 billion. It was an explicitly bad movie and she was rarely sprinkled in other shows because it amounted to adding rat droppings atop your crème brûlée. Her comics don’t sell either. The best part of Captain Marvel is Rogue sucking the powers from her because Rogue is an infinitely more interesting character.

They should just end here, lol 😂😂

Why are we acting surprised about this lmao

ESG killed Marvel. Anything produced with "diversity first" automatically tanks in production quality, because you can't have the best production quality when half the people working on it weren't hired for their talent.

When you think about it. Some of these issues apply the Ahsoka show as well. Ahsoka is popular but needs homework to watch.

I really appreciated what you said about reason #10. I don't come to Sean Chandler talks about hoping to hear why any cultural beliefs or opinions I have are right and why people who disagree suck. I come to Sean Chandler talks about hoping to hear Sean Chandler talk to me about movies way too much. If studios would start trying to make more movies for people who like to talk about movies way too much rather than try to make movies for a cultural war, I really think we'd see the quality of movies in any genre or franchise improve drastically.

The number 1 reason - a lack of writing and execution conviction

According to the marvels director most of the audience is racist, maybe she could of gone about this slightly differently

EXCELLENT analysis! Very few reviewers actually dive deep into the nuances of film topics like you do.

The truth hurts those weirdos 😅 My husband and i enjoy some of your recent video essays on these comic book movies and you’re honest with us; we appreciate that. As a family of 3 with our puppy and baby on the way we canceled our family Disney+ subscription late summer of this year, because it was too many tv shows in the MCU for our liking. We skipped the last 3 films in theaters to see some smaller films and only big ones like Barbie-Oppenhiemer and Spiderman: ATSV Happy Holidays and Wonderful New Year’s 🥂👏

In the 10 plus years this MCU train has been running there has been at LEAST one or two "flops" per phase. And yet the MCU continues to thrive. So, maybe JUST THIS ONCE, we stop this narrative that they're somehow going to "die" based off a couple of financial missteps. People still liked it, and that's all that matters.

The only reason I didn't see the Marvel's is because I wasn't interested in seeing it. As much as I liked Ms marvel season 1 I wasn't interested in the other characters besides ms marvel and her family

Sean! I love your videos! Keep up the great work! I really appreciate your balanced perspective, highlighting both what works and doesn't with a story. You are neither a hater or a fan boy/schill. I know it's easy to focus on the negative comments. Hopefully the positive comments on your videos outweigh the bad ones! I'll have to throw on my "I Talk Movies Too Much" t-shirt. Don't let the hate get you down. God Bless brother.

Some excellent thoughts there Sean. I personally passed on this one after having been a huge mcu fan and comic book reader and collector for many years. I can't speak to the quality or lack thereof of the film itself. I don't know that the actors going on talk shows wouldn't have done more harm than good for the bottom line. Every time Brie or some other woke Hollywood person goes on social justice rant, Nerdrotic, Ryan Kinnell, etc clip it and run with it ad nauseum in dozens of videos. One thing that I think you missed when talking about the culture war aspect is who fired the first shots in the culture war. The studios consciously decided to actively marginalize the demographic that has been it's largest supporter from the comics to the movies. They are not being subtle in diminishing the white male characters. The Blackrock mandated DEI initiatives try to elevate the women and minorities by pushing down the white male characters. They make all the white males either stupid and incompetent or evil. Examples: Luke Skywalker and Han Solo in the sequel trilogy and Indiana Jones in his most recent movie. They can only get away with that for so long before people start noticing and tune out. So the Marvels flops and Blackrock gives Disney a huge influx of cash so there are no consequences for alienating their most loyal and fervent audience. Marvel movies used to be events that I looked forward to for months before they came out. I have skipped several of them in the last couple of years starting with Eternals. You can say that there is a toxic fandom, but that doesn't take account of the extent that they have been attacked for simply liking the classic characters and stories that they had. Just like in the real world, if you try to elevate a group of people by pushing another group down there is going to be significant backlash. This leftist Hollywood social engineering only works when people turn up or tune in to see the product. Marvel and Disney in general have gone from bait and switch to no bait at all. Disney shareholders should file a class action lawsuit against the company for failing to meet it's fiduciary duty to earn profit. They have prioritized social messaging over creating a product with maximum broad interest in the marketplace. I would much rather watch Friday Night Tights for free on KZfaq than go see the recent lineup of Marvel content.

That last point really resonated with the common audience. Movies are movies, they’re supposed to be enjoyed together by a common audience, not turned into some kind of battleground for opinions. Any movie that has that kind of connotation attached too it makes it nearly impossible to go and see because people really don’t want to deal with that. It’s like goddamn whether you like or dislike the movie, can’t we all just agree to disagree and shut up and enjoy the movies we see?!?!?

You forgot that there are several people out there that just don't want to support Disney anymore. they have lost faith in Disney products

I dont really give a flip about the disney marvel universe anymore. People are burned out on bluescreen CGI garbage.

What makes this box office so much worse is that I just read the book “MCU: the reign of marvel studios” and the reason they green lit the Incredible Hulk was because they believed franchise films perform around 100mil of where the previous one performed. The Marvels would be lucky to make 1/3 of the first captain marvel movie (377million).

I'm currently not as interested in Mcu content. I'd much rather stay home & enjoy myself with shows like Jujutsu Kaisen, Rurouni Kenshin & Spy x family during my freetime.

Superhero fatigue is sadly real and it saddens me

Here are my reasons why this movie flopped: 1. Disney+ exists- no one feels the need to rush out and see this. 2. MCU fanbase has become super toxic. 3. Too much MCU content - there were so many MCU projects this year, so there’s just fatigue. 4. Box Office overall is down. 5. You had to watch too many things to understand the plot of this movie - it really should have gone straight to Disney+ 6. Loki Season 2 finale the same night this opened and a lot of people waited to binge so they’re just more interested in that than this. 7. The reviews were not great, basically a B - so again people didn’t feel the need to see this. 8. Barbie and Taylor Swift were the female movies of the year and at this point there’s just not enough women who go to movies at the rate men do. 9. Marvel is making too many movies for women and this is just not this brand’s target market. 10. Secret Invasion was a massive misfire and as good as Ms Marvel was, not enough people watched it. And Photon was in a show that was almost 3 years ago and no one really talks about her. The MCU has gotten too big and it cannot service all of these characters now. Okay now I’m gonna watch the video and see how close we came.

Speaking for myself and for all recent marvel films. After ‘no way home’ I found I was watching the movies more for the post credit scenes than the actual movie. Like those 5 min scenes were more anticipated than the movie itself. And as such, why would I pay & go watch a movie from a franchise that has underwhelming, Disney channel quality stories, when i can just KZfaq the post credit scenes

Really must suck to have your biggest flop be named after your studio. Imagine having your biggest flop called the Disneys, the Pixars, the Warner Bros, the Lucasfilms, the Universals, the Paramounts, etc

*"Imagine the cruel memes"* -Dr. Drakken, 2019 Kim Possible DCOM

Want to fix Marvel\Star Wars\Disney, Disney needs to get off Blackrocks teet and go back to making quality movies without esg scores

This is probably the best video on the topic of The Marvel's failure that I've seen. I have nothing against the film, but I skipped it because after so many really, REALLY trash Disney Plus shows and several underwhelming theatrical releases-I just don't care about the MCU anymore and I've moved on. It was my favorite movie franchise and it had a great run, then it all sorta went to hell and I can't be bothered to care anymore.

There's only one reason this movie failed, its a poorly made movie on every level. Even with everything else going against it, this movie could have succeeded if it was a well made movie and both the critics and the fans loved it but that's not the case. The best thing people can say about this movie is that it was "fun", which means its a bad movie but kids and low IQ adults will enjoy it for its jokes, action and special effects.

Lack of promotion definitely played a role, a lot of people I talked to had no idea what the Marvels was

I got one question Sean,and this is similar to Captain Marvel. Like where is Shang Chi in the MCU? If he suppose to be a major force in the MCU going forward,why hasn’t the MCU capitalize him going forward after his movie. Seriously,have you ever notice that.

It comes to stream to fast people wait

In my experience I wasn’t interested in watching this film in the theatres because I’m not a fan of this character and her first film. That’s the only reason why I haven’t seen it as I’ve seen everything in theatres since endgame. And especially now with Disney plus I’m just waiting to watch it on streaming. And the only reason I will be watching it is for miss marvel because I thought she looked like so much fun in the trailer.

These MCU movies need to be direct sequels to theatrical releases NOT sequels to shows on streaming platforms. A lot of people don't have enough time to be watching a complete series.

Great video man. Well thought out points, and i think possibly very accurate. Dont let the radicals on each side of the culture war get to you. Ive been reading marvel comics for many decades, and i generally love the MCU, but the last few years have been rough. Gotta call it like it is, most of Phase 4 has been objectively terrible. Here's to hoping they can get back on track.

Dude... Me as a fan, I didn't asked for captain Marvel movie. I don't asked for ms Marvel, which god damn she's annoying... I didn't asked for Monica rainbow, that said that Scarlett witch did good. She didn't! Spoiler alert. Endgame was endgame. And finally... Blaming me for sexism and racism. I roll my eyes

My friend who watches every single marvel movie and tv show skipped The Marvels which shocked me!

Also many feel the movie would have done worse if these stars had done promotion. "I don't need a 40 year old white guy to tell me..." When you are the product, you might not want to constantly shame your customers and also tell people that the movie was not made for them.

'Toxic' fans are absolutely not to blame for this garbage underperforming. MCU has been in a freefall mode for a couple of years now and they made so much shit and now they are reaping the fruit of their labor. Good riddance

Ironically the most anticipated MCU film since Endgame is Deadpool 3 which is usually a comedy, but at the same time Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine will no doubt balance it out - with smart, clever, and sincere writing of course, if they drop the ball again 🤞hope not, it will truly be over and a hard reboot will be in order

I think Captain America: Civil War is the best MCU film so far as far as bringing together multiple storylines and character arcs. It’s a true sequel to Captain America 2, but it’s also a direct follow up to Avengers 2, a Black Panther origin movie, and sets up 5 MCU films (Black Panther, Black Widow, Spider-Man, Infinity War and Antman 2). So it’s possible for a MCU to have a film to build from multiple films.

I’ve always thought of the “superhero movie” as a pretty basic formula like in mathematics or science. You can stick to the basics with hero, villain, conflict, act one to three, stakes etc. Or you can add some extra layers/terms to the equation to make it more complicated. But it ultimately depends on what you plug into the variables and parameters like characterisation, character relations, medium expectations, style, themes etc that spits out a “solution” to the formula that hopefully doesn’t look like many other superhero movies seen before. And when it works, this solution can be more than the sun of its parts. But when creators end up putting the same tropes, archetypes and plot beats into the formula, they’re just not doing justice to the “genre” of superhero movies. Hence, “superhero fatigue”.

Disney is now making films that push DEI and LGBTQ agenda's. Robert Iger has openly talked about this, and Brie Larson has talked about it at length. (Along with a bunch of other offensive comments you conveniently glossed over) Any film, which pushes DEI over the writing and storytelling, which this one does, obviously has an agenda. But no one's supposed to talk about it in your safe space (your channel) because you just want to have "fun" and don't want any opinions that spoils your fun. According to you, Disney's not the one pushing toxicity. Anyone who talks about it are the one's pushing toxicity.... Got it!

Here's another quick take: Disney STOPPED LISTENING TO ITS AUDIENCE. We told you we DON'T want woke movies. All of the woke Hollywood content has been a disaster upon release. But they did it anyway and it was easy to see the golden goose going down like the Titanic.

Good points about the demographics/on ramp issues. My wife likes this type of stuff, she likes Marvel heroes in general and is a deep geek. She saw the trailers for this and said "that looks stupid and annoying."

They forgot one of the BIGGEST rules of business; the customer is always right. Superhero movies, action movies etc have always been MAJORITY male properties. This isn't saying there ISN'T a place for women to participate but they're the EXCEPTION that proves the point ☝️

I’m not going to beat around the bush here..like Solo but even to a greater extent, no one asked for this movie. That, and Disney is having a serious problem trying to expand their target audience instead of focusing on a target audience for a specific segment of the entertainment movie industry. They’re missing it completely because, let’s be real, they’re going with an MSheU and a Force is Female approach when a majority of the audience is male. They’re trying and failing and it’s time to move on, literally stop pandering, and get back to good story telling. We really don’t need to mince words here. We ALL know what it is.