Searching for the best B&W film stock - Part Two
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Part two of my search for my favourite black and white film stock. In this video, I’m testing out Kodak TRI-X 400, Ilford Delta 400, and Rollei Superpan 200.
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@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
After mentioning in the video that I'm going to stick with lab development for now... I then went ahead and ordered chemicals to develop at home. 😂 Don't listen to me.
@puppetyr 3 жыл бұрын
It's for the best. Developing your own B&W just allows you so much more control over the entire imaging process, and you can use different developers/regimens which are optimal for different stocks, whereas a lab will tend to use only one middle of the road solution for everything (typically XTOL these days). Depending on which developer you use it can also save you a lot of money over the long run. Personally I tend to favour either DD-X or Pyrocat-HD; the latter is particularly good with Acros or T-Max films.
@TrashTheLens 3 жыл бұрын
Well then, we'll be looking forward to your new series "testing 10 different developers on my favorite films to find out which one I like the most", and the follow up to that "trying different dilutions of my favorite developer to find out which I like best". Sounds like content for the next year or so. ;>
@peterfarr9591 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I would just make sure you are using a dev intended for t-grain w/ t-max or Delta (xtol or dd-x. Xtol being the far cheaper of the two options). For cubic grain you can use just about anything. Hc-110 looks lovely. If you want better highlight control with more shadow detail you can dilute it down and agitate less. Rodinal is extremely sharp looking so based on your preferences probably not something you would personally like. Have fun!
@dunerino892 3 жыл бұрын
haha - sometimes the heart wins over the head :) can recommend D76 and also Rodinal for Tri-x but the developer I've fallen in love with is Mörsch "Finol" (from a German Darkroom - Genius) - you just can't blow out the highlights with this and it's so easy to use nearly all my bw pictures are with this combination (Tri-x at 250)
@UglyCameras 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Don't forget that determining your own exposure index (E.I.) is a basic step in dialing in a new film. Exposure and development are merely two steps in one process: image formation.
@mattdavis9986 3 жыл бұрын
New drinking game. Do a shot every time Kyle says “moving forward”.
@magnusa.5599 3 жыл бұрын
or "i couldn't agree more" on the podcast :))
@davidlowcher 3 жыл бұрын
thats going to be the name of his new "zine"
@timma_thy 2 жыл бұрын
Bro I had to get my stomach pumped bcuz of this comment.
@GonzoTheRosarian 2 ай бұрын
The allure with Superpan is that it is a film that can produce gorgeous B&W slides with reversal process. I LOVE Tri X. That is what I started 35 mm photography back in the day. Used to develop it and print it myself.
@PerroneFord Жыл бұрын
So interesting to see people discovering and testing these films. When TMax was released I was shooting and developing a couple dozen rolls of Tri-X per week as a sports photographer. We all HATED TMax. Primarily because we were shooting 400 speeds at night and often pushing them to 1600 or so. And TMax just went black in the shadows. I shot some on a vacation to San Francisco and liked it a little better in daylight. But it's been reformulated since then. I've got a 3 year old roll of 120 in the new formulation I need to shoot soon. Enjoy your journey!
@jhill331 3 жыл бұрын
I really like how Tri-X looks with Rodinal developer. If you do decide to do home development, I would recommend. Rodinal 1+100 semi-stand for 1 hour. The long slow cook really brings out the shadows and the minimal amount of developer eventually exhausts and doesn't blow out the highlights. Yet it has a punchy look. You don't need to be exact with the temperature just keep it near but under 20c or 68f. Give it a normal agitation at the half hour mark to keep the chemistry from settling.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for the suggestion.
@andretim75 7 ай бұрын
HAHA -- there was this wonderful and also frustrating little DDR-car at 3:04 you took a photo of -- the "Trabant" ! ( We had a yellow one....😆🤣) Great Video as always . Very informative and enjoyable presentation !
@Dahrenhorst 2 жыл бұрын
B&W material is a science in itself. It's not just the films. It's also what developer you choose, how much you dilute it, how long you develop it, what temperature the fluids have, how you agitate the film while developing. Ilford films react very much on these variables and can produce totally different results based on this. Kodak not so much, but still very apparent. When you decide for a film, you need to test how to develop it to enhance the properties you like the most. Developing B&W film is not only technically very simple, it is a major tool in determining the outcome of your photography. You shouldn't give that to a lab. It's like you would, in the digital world, have "developing" a raw file being done by someone else than yourself.
@BennyCFD Жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm............Henry Cartier Bresson used only Tri-X sense it came out in 1940. He shot almost everything at1/125 and only adjusted the aperture. He was an absolute master. Lesson learned
@brineb58 3 жыл бұрын
After over 40 years, I can say that I am more an Ilford HP5 guy, but also dig Tri-X ... I just bought a 100' roll of Kentmere 400 ... so I am making a big commitment!!!
@dave1070 3 жыл бұрын
Kentmere 400 is a nice film for the money. I have a 100' roll. Looks very good processed in Caffenol CH. Cheers!
@ma-bn8jh Жыл бұрын
I always come back to your videos about film along with Andrew and Denae's. So much information, I went through 100' feet of HP5 and Fomapan 400. I just got 100' of Delta 100 to try out and looking at our video. Thanks for the wonderful resource. I got the Delta 400 because I want less grain. I just picked up an Olympus Pen FT and half frame makes grain more apparent so hoping Delta balances things out. The wife isn't really a fan of grain, on her 35mm photos, so hopefully this is it.
@jeremyrowlettmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Just started my B&W journey with Ilford HP5 and I’m absolutely in love with it.
@FramesPerSecond 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely a nice film. Haven’t shot it in 120 yet but hopefully soon.
@GirdHerd Жыл бұрын
Interesting, Kyle. I love the sharpness and high contrast of the Ilford Delta so I will be shooting some of it soon. I do appreciate your comparisons. You're doing it for me and saving me a lot of money. Thanks. I look forward to Part Three.
@bro_liv 2 жыл бұрын
These 2 episodes were really appreciated, thanks a lot man. I shot one roll of Tmax 400 and fell in love with it as well. Really enjoyable videos all over
@KyleMcDougall 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Bruno. Glad you enjoyed them!
@paulalanputnam4592 6 ай бұрын
Love your channel, Kyle. So refreshing, so inspiring. A youtuber who takes nice photos, how’s that for a change? A photo-centric channel instead of the usual buy-this-camera-centric channel. Thanks for your videos.
@FramesPerSecond 3 жыл бұрын
Tri-X is definitely my favourite B&W film.
@Pentax67 3 жыл бұрын
It is so beautiful isn’t it
@grejuli97 2 жыл бұрын
I never shot fp4 but i just bought 3 rolls and i am super excited to try them! A friend of mine thinks they would fit my photos incredibly well.
@VariTimo 3 жыл бұрын
You should also try Rollei RPX 400. It’s a new emulsion based on the old Agfa APX 400 formula. It’s a classic black and white film like Tri-X or HP5+ but with a softer curve.
@matiasmarek7313 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Kyle ! Excited to see you’re bw photo project moving forward now that you are narrowing down the film choices!!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matias. Looking forward to getting started on it once everything opens back up. Lockdown has slowed the process.
@mhz9003 2 жыл бұрын
I dev and scan my own black and whites and my Go To films are FP4 and HP5. I actually find the slightly lower contrast and advantage when scanning. I figure I can always add contrast and punch later but its harder to take away. I've always loved the look of Tri-X but found when shot in bright conditions I can't seem to get a decent scan without insane amounts of contrast. The only times I tend to use it now are for very overcast days.
@seventeendegree Жыл бұрын
Great video! I'd love to see one, where you explain how you make these video sequences that look like they were shot on film. Like the shot at 2:43.
@jdsd771007 3 жыл бұрын
Loving these comparisons! I've also leaned in to color more as well, but on the few occasions I would always grab Tmax. I've definitely become more interested in the las year in B+W photography so I appreciate the thoughtful comparisons! Looking forward to a head to head Tri-x/Tmax comparison?! As always, great vid 👍
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jarrett. Looking forward to diving down this rabbit hole a little deeper.
@ReimannPembroke 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I actually really like the look of the Rollei Superpan 200. Might have to get some and do a video on it myself
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers. Worth trying out.
@CalumetVideo 3 жыл бұрын
I love Kodak Tri-X when I want that grain. I find in 100 ISO stocks, Foma 100 really looks great!
@chiprock2692 3 жыл бұрын
Love Superpan 200! It does awesome in flat light, low contrast; I also like that it compliments images with a lower overall intensity. Best for portraits and environmental portraits - makes people look great. I think your dev and scans are a bit blah. Too much heightened acuity with some film stocks that I think are meant more for landscape/ detail / graphic work, that appeals to sharpness addicts. Great reviews. Nice work.
@Pentax67 3 жыл бұрын
I really love TriX 400, perfect for portraits, mystery or lomography
@ledheavy26 3 жыл бұрын
I started b/w photography 18 years ago using only tri-x for years as thats what was recommended in school as the "student film". Always developed in D76 at class. Having tried more than a handful of other b/w films I'd say tri-x is still my favorite, it just is black & white to me. I love delta 3200 also but for the money I'll just push some hp5 or tri-x instead at half the cost.
@PoeInTheDitch 11 ай бұрын
Same here. I was thinking back on this exact thing while watching these videos...how we were taught on Tri X and D76 as the "standard", back in the mid-90's.
@graydeotto2820 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely check out acros ii as well, also Delta 3200 can be really fun if you don't mind some grain
@andrewthecool1 3 жыл бұрын
If you're looking for a 35mm film stock, i'd recommend kentmere 400 developed with either HC-110 or Dektol, depending on your contrast needs, but it's on the brink of being a higher contrast film (nowhere near JCH though) and it's actually relatively cheap as well, plus it'll reliably push to 1600. Cheers!
@TheFilmFellow 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle Delta 400 in 35 actually does give you more pleasing grain especially developed in Rodinal or Ilford HC. In medium format within the same stock vs 35mm there can be differences in grain. Not to mention pushing or pulling to mitigate grain. My personal favorite is definitely FP4 in 35mm but I probably wouldn’t like it in medium format. What I like about FP4 is it’s flexible nature. Good luck on your quest!
@terrywbreedlove 3 жыл бұрын
I have been shooting TRI-X for decades. Well actually it was the first film I shot and printed in my dads darkroom when I was 13 or 14 so 1979ish. I have tested all the films over the years and I just love TRI-X grain and contrast. At this late stage I don't even think about trying another film. If it works it works right.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I get the feeling like it will be one of my go-to's as well.
@Johneleos666 3 жыл бұрын
I shoot mainly bnw films on 35mm format , i belive in order to test films for a project, i don't thing shooting one of everything will actually give any information at all . You can make films look identical at this point with the scanning and the development technique , using rodinal to change how the films works. My go to films are hp5 , trx400 , agfa 400 , foma 400 ( depends on my budget ) . i used all of them through a project i did ( with also digital images) and even if your grain or your stock is kinda different by getting expirience in developing and shooting you will have your intented results . The search for the best for you film stock , is actually needed if you are planning to print everything ( which again you can make all the films look the same ) and then make an exhibition or scan them , but by going the film scan route the difference in the end are so little , expect on the weird filmstocks like rollei . So for me finding a couple film stocks and shooting recipes , for if you shoot the Hp5 at 1600 and develop it with rodinal at 1;50 you will have a similar look to a trix shot at 320ish, developed at 400 with rodinal 1;50 , on grain structure , dencity on the negative and contrast when you analog print it on the pc everything can become everything
@friendstype25 3 жыл бұрын
I like the distinct look tri-x gives me developed with rodinol.
@trevorjacques_ 3 жыл бұрын
another great video kyle! I have a soft spot for kodak films so its always been tmax and tri-x for me!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@mpk33 3 жыл бұрын
Ilford FP4 is a classic you should definitely also check out Kyle.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
On the list!
@The-Travel-Man 3 жыл бұрын
And try Ilford FP4+ with an X-1 green filter for superb skin tones!
@mpk33 3 жыл бұрын
@@The-Travel-Man Kyle's not really a portrait photogorapher, but ok...lol
@mikefreelandphoto 3 жыл бұрын
I still haven’t used Tri-X before. Thinking it’s time to give it a try🤘
@ThePhotographyMinimalist 3 жыл бұрын
A great informative video and nice photo's!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@MKVD 3 жыл бұрын
Tri-X is just great, has a nice look. It's just that for me the negatives always get really bowed while drying after developing which drives me crazy. Never happens with HP5, so I'm just using that and pushing or adding a bit more contrast in post.
@MrSwedenable 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more.
@digitalanalogs4189 3 жыл бұрын
let hot water run in the shower and hang it in there to dry, it will help to dry it flat. The japanese found out long ago that film dries flat in the humid summers and curls in the dry winter :)
@jimsimon5706 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as it's touch dry, so not sticky but not crispy, roll it emulsion out in another reel - dries flat. Works every time!
@richardsimms251 Ай бұрын
Very, very enjoyable video.
@brandonsaulphoto 2 жыл бұрын
So I kind of see HP5 as the "Portra 400" of B&W because it is really clean and versatile and has a good amount of latitude. I started using that early on with analog photography and loved it and still do. But for me with B&W I wanted more texture and grain, but not too much. I found that Kodak TriX landed well for me. Interested in trying the others though!! Thanks for all the insight.
@mamiyapress 3 жыл бұрын
" Moving Forward "
@amosk24 3 жыл бұрын
Moving forward
@CarlJohnson-eu3jk 3 жыл бұрын
@@amosk24 forward Moving
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
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@graydeotto2820 3 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see a video too pushing 1/2 stops with hp5, tri-x and t-max (assuming those seem to be some of your favourites)
@florianbauzl2747 3 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that Ilford changed the formula of the Delta 400 some years ago. The new Delta is said to be a little bit more grainy than the old one but on the other side has more exposure latitude. So in some way its properties moved somewhat closer to the HP5+ or TRX. That said, when using a suitable developer, it became the new thing for me. Clean results which still can't deny their film photography origins ;-) Rodinal stand development, which I used before, is not so suitable for my taste. Lately I tried Amaloco AM 74 and I am very happy with the results. I just started developing my films in this pandemic times. So for sure there are other nice options waiting to be discovered. That said, I have one roll of TMX left and I will give it a fair chance in the AM 74 soup.
@eoghanhennessy15 3 жыл бұрын
There are some labs in the UK that offer a range of developers, you may be interested in this as it means you have more control in the dev without having to purchase a large range of chemistry yourself. Zone imaging lab is one example.
@mrca2004 2 жыл бұрын
The delta 400 is really sharp minimal grain, so I would shoot digital for that.
@ltljohn1725 3 жыл бұрын
I know I am a little late to the game here but I also shoot a Pentax 67ii. Good call getting your own developer. Once you get consistent results with your film, start looking at getting more or less contrast out of your negatives by under/over exposing and adjusting your dev time. I also prefer the Kodak film due to ilford seeming to flat for me.
@corycampbell6370 2 жыл бұрын
Ilford XP2 is the best black and white film I’ve ever used. I’m a fan of Ilford Ortho too, but XP2 is incredible, and this is coming from someone who doesn’t really like to shoot black and white a lot.
@stratocactus Жыл бұрын
I know I'm 1 year late to the party, but XP2 is not an ordinary BnW emulsion. It's a chromogenic film, like color negative films. Once developed in C41, there's no silver left on the film, it's just the dies (like in a color neg film). Or maybe you develop your XP2 in BnW chemistry, in that case don't listen to my rambling ^^
@familygonzcartwright 3 жыл бұрын
You should try Ilford Ortho Plus and also XP2
@StuartWeir 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle! Fantastic video! I’m loving this series because, like a lot of people, spending money on film isn’t cheap, and giving a better understanding of the output of each stock helps narrow things down substantially! One thing I’d be interested in is a video about how to: a) Scan Portra in Silverfast (settings and tips for dialing in a look) b) dust and scratch removal To be even more specific for the above, it would be interesting to see you do this using the Plustek Scanner you reviewed, because we don’t all have you’re incredible scanner! Anyway, once again, great video and look forward to the 3rd video in the series!
@shaundonnelly4537 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried using the built-in Porta profiles in the negafix tab of silverfast 8? Also, the SRDx tab does a great job at removing dust and scratches in my experience.
@StuartWeir 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried the profile for Portra, but it doesn’t seem super punchy, it’s pretty flat. As for SRDx, I’ve tried both SRDx and iSRD, and both seem to basically just look like they’re painting nail polish of a single colour over the scratches, or just using the blur tool in photoshop to blend adjacent colours in (even with iSRD). Not quite sure if maybe I’m setting the different parameters too high and that’s making it look bad, but for me it tends to go “not applying and dust and scratch removal” to “holy crap that’s way too much” pretty quickly.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Stuart. Unfortunately the Plustek is gone now. Just purchased it for the test. And I also don't use Silverfast so unfortunately I can't be much help there either.
@sandyjmacdonald 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I've been experimenting with different B+W films too, albeit at a slower pace over the past couple of years. Will you be trying the Lomography B+W films? I've really enjoyed the Lomo Berlin and Potsdam films.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Yep! Waiting to get my hands on some.
@ivaa7777JAWA 8 ай бұрын
Great video
@davidlowcher 3 жыл бұрын
Still interested in seeing some side by sides of ektar 100 desaturated. I've actually used NLP and selected black and white and had rather astonishing results. It definitely works for someone who shoots in color but wants some bw images from time to time.
@spickett10 3 жыл бұрын
Shooting my first roll of B&W ever currently (Ilford Delta 100) and just hoping I get anything close to correct exposures 😂
@fredtech776 3 жыл бұрын
If you like the midtones, and an overall flat image, you have to try Agfa APX 100 and 400. They are really cheap, sharp and with low contrast. Even if I don't post produce, except for a little exposure correction sometimes, i sense that with all of that gray they can be tweaked a lot.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll put them on the list.
@driley4381 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite B&W right now has been Eastman Double X hand rolled from the Film Photography Project. It's Kodak motion picture film. It probably goes by other names too so you could find it elsewhere if needed.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
That one's on the list as well!
@eoghanhennessy15 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall I would recommend picking it up from northern film lab on eBay, they also offer a whole range of cine films that you may find interesting for experimentation
@mitHundundRad Жыл бұрын
The car from 11:43 is from the GDR(Eastgerman), a "Trabant 601". It is lightly built and with two people in the front or rear you can lift it and move it sideways. Therefore, it is no wonder for me as a former East German that he can stand there like this.
@Thorpal 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, Delta 400 is way too sharp in 120. Great for what it was made for but too clinical form 90% of the things I usually shoot. But in 35mm I like to use it in a way it is not supposed to : with middle to low key scenes if you under-expose it a fair bit it turns black and middle greys zones into a grainy mushy mess that smoothes the transitions between them. It gives character and a completely different vibe to a film that otherwise is the best 400 iso if you need enhanced micro-contrast. Maybe a "Part three" with Delta 100, Tmax 100 and Fuji Across (1&2) ?
@kinglear5952 2 жыл бұрын
@11.55 My bold conjecture is that there is just one house in the frame, not two and the car entered through the driveway on the right hand side. Just my speculation.
@CafeCreativeYT 3 жыл бұрын
Kyle I highly recommend Bergger Pancro 400 if you're looking for a clean and dynamic black and white film.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
On the list!
@danielerdos3046 3 жыл бұрын
My favorites are the TMax and Tri-X also 🙂 maybe you could try different speeds like TMax 100 or TMax P3200. If I remember correctly you didn't try the Ilford XP2 super 400. I think that's a bit like halfway of HP5 and Tri-X (and you can develop with C41). Nice video!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Daniel. Haven't shot any XP2 yet, but I plan too.
@gregkennedy0118 3 жыл бұрын
Throughout this video I kept feeling that some of the locations were familiar, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. 12:22 really caught me off guard as it's round the corner from where I grew up! I don't know why it took me so long to notice 😄
@Sreybk 3 жыл бұрын
I just got back my first scans from The Dark Room. It was also my first time using Kodak Tri-X 400. I am still on the fence about the amount of grain that resulted. What are your opinions of this stock? I think I might like HP5 the best so far.
@hzubovi1 3 жыл бұрын
beautiful sunset :D, which film did you shoot that on?
@Jean-Poule_II 3 жыл бұрын
Scanning and developping really is the key with B&W. I just got two rolls developped at two different labs, one of HP5+ on 35mm and one of TMAX 400 in 120 (that I tried thanks to your previous video), and the results couldn't be further from what I expected. Both were shot at box speed, yet the TMAX came out really grey and with low contrast while the HP5 was super punchy. TMAX was very clean and nice, but I've gotta say I have a little weakness for that HP5 grain. I might have to give Tri-X a shot! Also, I would have to recommend you to try Ilford Delta 3200, it really is a beast of its own. Other than that great video, keep going!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think if you're going to use a lab, having one that has great communication is important. Where you can talk to them about looks, learn about their process, etc. Otherwise, in my experience, it's just way too inconsistent. I've been happy with Carmencita who I used for this video. They always want to keep communication open to learn about what you liked/didn't like.
@Jean-Poule_II 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall Yeah, I just changed lab for my 35mm work because this new place is offering really good service at a decent price, so I'm still establishing communication atm. It surely is the key for consistent results (that or developing yourself). As a fellow Canadian who hasn't left mainland yet (Montréal is my place), Spain would be a bit of a stretch, but I'm still curious to know where you sent your films for dev/scan when you were back here.
@unpoulet6859 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Poule_II I know it's been a while but where do you go in Montreal for your films ?
@Jean-Poule_II 2 жыл бұрын
@@unpoulet6859 I really like Boréalis, they are kinda the last real professional lab in town and they have the best film prices.
@unpoulet6859 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Poule_II Thanks for the answer. Have you tried "Studio argentique" ?
@eatfrog 3 жыл бұрын
Superpan 200/Retro 400 and Infrared 400 are all the same emulsion. The 400 "speed" is basically just push processing another step. The actual speed of all these are around ISO 50.
@rebeccasuur 3 жыл бұрын
Mhmhh that fine grain. Found the tri-x super nice in my Olympus XA with the flash at late evening/night.
@stefanoarena7502 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kyle! Beautiful video! I just wanted to ask you what preset/lut do you use for the B-roll to emulate super 16mm. Thank you so much!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers. I use a DaVinci powergrade called Cineprint16
@leobuckley6177 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall Piggybacking on Stefano's Question. Did you use the X-T4 or Blackmagic for those shots? Loving the film gate borders... Where did you get those?
@alexander.starbuck 2 жыл бұрын
Kyle, I was wondering - how do you get your 16mm-look on the section intro shots? I suppose you film them on your BMPCC or Fuji and color grade? We'd love to see more on your grading process :) . Cheers!
@KyleMcDougall 2 жыл бұрын
These were actually filmed on the X-T4 and then graded in DaVinci with a 16mm powergrade look. I can go into detail in a future vid possibly!
@FramesPerSecond 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that Rollei Retro 400s, Superpan 200 and Rollei infrared are the same type of Agfa stock. Aviphot Pan 200 I think it is.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I definitely saw that mentioned for both 400 and the Superpan.
@lukasrockenschaub298 3 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to try out Fomapan? Or is the price/quality ratio worse than over here in Europe. Might not be the most professional stock but still interesting
@painovoimaton 3 жыл бұрын
Foma films are mostly useful for testing whether a camera works or not, to be honest. At least here in Europe where they are super cheap. If they were much more expensive there would be little reason to use them.
@painovoimaton 3 жыл бұрын
@@heinerl.beisert5508 My point is mostly that it is too much of a pain to get good results with them when you can spend an additional 3€ to get a much more workable film
@painovoimaton 3 жыл бұрын
@@heinerl.beisert5508 I read no rude intent from your comment and had no such intent myself.
@deltadave44 3 жыл бұрын
just wondering if you've had a chance to shoot Bergger Pancro 400...it's my go to when shooting portraits
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Not yet, but plan to!
@ronnieolofsson9920 3 жыл бұрын
Try Agfa APX 400, I think you like it.
@AlexLuyckxPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
Superpan 200, great film but needs specific development I found, great in TMax developer and surprisingly Adox Silvermax Developer. Also not a fan of Delta 400, but great if you need a clean sharp image. Tri-X is my hands down first choice in fast films. You can over/under expose then push pull no problems. It was the film that made me love film. Looking forward to the next video! Hopefully some RPX25 in the mix!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Alex. Yeah, as mentioned in the vid, Tri-X is really nice, and I'm looking forward to experimenting with it more to start understanding it a bit better!
@mvonwalter6927 3 жыл бұрын
I've been shooting Superpan 200 a lot lately for contrast and red sensitivity. But I only have Rodinol and CineStill D96 at home. Might have to finally try TMax dev.
@palesmichael 3 жыл бұрын
Well, as for obscure, try adox 50 HR (or CMS 20), rollei ortho 25 and spur 800 :)
@puppetyr 3 жыл бұрын
CMS 20 isn't currently available in 120 though. An alternative is Agfa Copex Rapid. Shot at EI 25 and developed in SPUR Dokuspeed SL-N you get good tonality and mindblowing resolution. The developer isn't cheap though.
@almoskosz7848 3 жыл бұрын
I used to love ortho 25 back when my main subject was landscapes, really high res, almost no grain, very contrasty!
@mvonwalter6927 3 жыл бұрын
The special sauce to Tri-X is slightly reduced red sensitivity (and that grain) I didnt like Tri-X for the longest time because I was a Rodinal guy. The moment I tried it in D76 I was like "oh, now I get it"
@AustenGoldsmithPhotography 3 жыл бұрын
Price has to be taken into consideration , Hp 5 keeps me skint T max would finish me
@JakeBorchenko 3 жыл бұрын
Adox CHS100ii is really good if you can get it. Would recommend trying it.
@donsemo4804 2 жыл бұрын
So what's important to you in shooting...the visual or the technical side. Sometime one can blind the other.
@MyRetroJourney 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear your opinion on the Fomapan film stocks!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Have one sitting here on my desk to try!
@MyRetroJourney 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall Alright, looking forward to see/hear your opinion then :)
@jonjanson8021 3 жыл бұрын
It's really much better and consistent developing the films yourself. Using a lab introduces too many unknown variables. Using a number of films with a number of developers and a number of developing techniques will result in thousands of possible variations. Which is how you tailor film/developing/processing to help define your own personal 'look and style'.
@TrashTheLens 3 жыл бұрын
11:43 I laughed so hard when I heard a Trabant being called a "cool car". Only someone who didn't have that soapbox on wheels as family car could utter such blasphemy. ;)))
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
What can I say, I like the strange ones.
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
If one is using a camera with a somewhat soft lens (such as older consumer roll film cameras) does something like Delta help mitigate that softness or are you better off to just roll with it and use a classic like Tri-X?
@PoeInTheDitch 11 ай бұрын
I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think it will help sharpen the image much, if at all. My thought is that a film image will never be sharper than the lens that took it. I'd say the Delta would more fully bring out a lens' resolution potential.
@imabigsandwich1292 3 жыл бұрын
WOAH those film emulation digital shots are gorgeous, what did you shot on and how did you achieve that?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Fuji XT4. Powergrade in Davinci and some intentional shooting.
@Zmangaka89 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall You did shoot some of the b-roll with your bolex though, no? If not, that's some real convincing post!
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. All on the XT4!
@LolzEpicful 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle!! are parts of this video filmed on film??
@TwangThang57 3 жыл бұрын
Did you shoot the Tri-X at box speed? I tend to shoot it at 320. Some prefer it at 200.......
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, these were all mostly shot at box speed.
@toulcaz31 3 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to try XP2?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@robertwrightphoto 3 жыл бұрын
what's funny about digital/hybrid should be easier but it's not really. We used to pick a film and generally stick to it, and that depended mostly on the camera and the subject/what you liked to shoot/ISO since if it was 35 you weren't changing ISO mid roll, and if it was medium format well then you had options. But the basis was either the Henry Horenstein book or the Adams book The Negative, you did the film speed test and you worked out a developer for N, N+, N- based on the kind of lighting you preferred, grain, contrast, and that was it basically. In 35mm you can't change development mid roll so you tended to N- mostly- When I look at commercially developed film especially dip and dunk it is all over-developed and the negs are way too dense. And not great for scanning either. Hand development is really the only way and the consistency of doing your own, plus doing contact sheets which you don't need an enlarger for, is worth it to understand what film actually does. The hybrid process of scanning raw negs that have been processed by some other entity is just so random that (I feel) either you just standardize on what they give you for convenience and learn to meter to make the negs look good, or you DIY and be super consistent and have real control.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert. A lot to think about here. And yes, looking forward to getting into developing a bit with these films and seeing where it goes. For me, it's always been a balance between the tech and actually making the work. On one hand, if I use a certain film and like the look with the process that I'm using, then I just want to go and start making the work that I'm interested in. But at the same time, I'm obviously interested in exploring options and making sure that I'm using the best process that I can. We'll see where it goes.
@robertwrightphoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall "best" or "your" process might be interchangeable. I think about Lee Friedlander and he's used the same film/dev/paper combo for decades (assuming it wasn't discontinued-) and its wash rinse repeat ever since. Apart from the superwide days anyway. When we had less choice we didn't know we were lacking, it was just what was available. And time moved so much slower so standing at the sink washing film didn't seem like time wasted. It was just chores.
@stevef2114 2 жыл бұрын
I think you would change your mind if you developed yourself and you werent shooting on 6x7. The neg size plays such a 'role' lol.. in choosing what you shoot. For 35mm i dont ever use above 160.... i think you should try XP2!
@jeric3857 3 жыл бұрын
try out a brand called Shanghai gp3!
@briandelamere8468 3 жыл бұрын
Doing your own developing would just add another variable that would make it just about impossible to untangle the results and compare the film stock characteristics.
@lloydgarland4667 2 жыл бұрын
Tri X, but not at the price it currently is - I've gone to Delta.
@jasonzy425 3 жыл бұрын
Curious what’s the shipping like from the us to Spain. How much do you pay and do you worry about x rays?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
About £20 with next day FedEx. Never had any issues with x rays.
@camerachica73 2 жыл бұрын
I use Richard Photo Lab in the US and have never had a problem with xrays and I sometimes use the regular post to send the exposed film from the UK.
@ChristopherVisser 3 жыл бұрын
Tri-X is my One True King.
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, quickly becoming my favourite!
@johnbrown40639 2 жыл бұрын
Given the cost of TriX today, the obvious option is HP5 or Kentmere. There wont be much difference.
@joellanden9440 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man! Why did you remove your latest video about X-T4?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Long story. Re-uploading a tweaked version today.
@tallaganda83 3 жыл бұрын
I like tri x for 400, Delta 100 for 100.
@chadpurser 3 жыл бұрын
Did you try "unsharpening" the Delta 400?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't.
@paulp6222 3 жыл бұрын
have you tried ilford pan f kyle?
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Not yet, but I do have a roll here.
@ivaa7777JAWA 8 ай бұрын
My best film for all time tmax 100
@MythDealer 3 жыл бұрын
kodak super-xx
@user-xt1pb4rl5j 3 жыл бұрын
hello how do you do film emulation on bmpcc 6k? answer please
@KyleMcDougall 3 жыл бұрын
Video coming soon.
@user-xt1pb4rl5j 3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleMcDougall Let's wait impatiently)