Icaru was really supposed to be S tier. But he shows as triple S because you have to build 3!

"You don't summon it unless you summon it" - Bagel, 2023

I think most people that voted put more emphasis on PvE content, based on how this is looking. As much more of the game is in PvE, until you can clear all of it with high efficiency, the vast majority of players are going to be focused on that, therefore the units that are gonna be slightly higher than maybe they should be are there because they excel at that content.

It’s probably a bit late now, but it would be interesting if you make a tier list before seeing the votes and compare them whenever you do your next tier list

Just a suggestion: Make videos showing the potential of the units you think that deserve a better rank.

How is Gina not SSS, she's a rica but with way more in her kit lol

So I graded this list by dividing it on 2 parts 1. The obvious PVE units (like spectra), if it's a specific PvE Units like spectra and Naomi, I would grade them depending on how good they're in early game + how many PvE content they can be used + how good they are in that content compared to other 2A + added point if they can be used in pvp mainly siege (for example Sath, and some funny spectra content in rta) 2. Mainly pvp unit (such as elucia, roid, etc) same thing, but I grade them on how strong they are in their respective pvp place (roid in siege, or elucia on both siege and rta, or Megan in arena offense), higher rank if it's worth to build more in siege, or how pressure they are in pvp (such as how relevant vigor even after his nerf), if they can be used in PvE and they do amazingly even compared to those that are "PvE" specific, then it's just high in rankings That's just how I mainly rank them, cause you have to separate pvp and PvE oriented units in these types of list, you cant compare a kro towards a roid, kro can easily make your rift beast gets triple S, or make one of the fastest gb12, while roid dominates siege offense even amongst 5* towers, anyway at the end of the day it doesn't really matter much lol

Video idea ‼️ Do a reclass justification video showcasing the mons you say should be in a different (specifically higher) tier. You could go over runes you’ve used/use and showcase their value in whatever area(s) you’ve used them and explain. You’ve helped myself and thousands upon thousands with hidden gems before and I’m sure everyone would appreciate that!

Gina should easily be SSS, she's a rica but with aoe strip and beneficial effect block. Raoq and thrain being above her, when she's more useable than both of them endgame, is wild to me.😂

Gina in S tier? she's a must have for F2P Toa Hell 30 stars

Jewbagel. Lulu made it to an SWC! He also made Ariel a meme to the point he got a buff I think the sss is fair also lulu on free runes solos db10. I watch all your videos. I wanna see you use the wind inugami and some of your other advocated higher ranks in a video soon!

Some things to note about your disagreements. Naomi (Wind Martial Cat): I graded her the same way I graded Kro (I think I did SS). Kro and her are basicaally siblings for how they're used. Only tremendous difference is he is DARK and she has a guild speed lead. They both can be used for all the same rift beasts with Fire being the only exception for her. I was actually suprised she wasn't up there with him. I personally also use her in GW/Siege offense. LuLu: While the Wind Totem has versatility, he excels at reliability, and he's SSS because people put a lot of emphasis on that. He cleanses and grants immunity on everything excepf for his first skill. I would be shocked if he wasn't SSS. Water Warbear: Assuming C is average, B sounds fair. He's useful, but if you never build him, you're not really missing out. Water Pixie: I would've put her at B but an A is too high imo. Not as reliable except in Rifts. Reason Naomi/Kro got so high was because their damage is more consistent and reliable. Naomi's s1 and s2 do great damage due to passive and Kro's s2 and s3 do a ton of damage. For Pixie, it's only on s3 that's random if you use it outside of PvE, and in PvE, she's competing with Naomi and Kro again. Now, for the ones I agree with or kinda agree with: Water Guarda: I would've made it A, but I can see an argument for S. Wind Inugami: Should've been at least A. Fire Werewolf/Water Vegabond/Wind High Elemental/Water Reaper: All should've been D or F. I put F for all of them lol.

The dark pixie is amazing, a SSS for me, i use it a lot in toah and save me a crap ton of times in the boss stages

You should make a seperate teir list on how you put them at the end so we can see your point of view on them better.

Slightly unrelated, but I really hope we get new 2A's soon, (hopefully Bounty Hunters among them)

Why are there so many S’s on these tier lists. It’s losing value. We need to go back to S,A,B,C,D

Miho felt after the crit rate fix xP that killed miho 100%, those horrible times in which 15% crit rate units were criting miho 10 times in a row 🤧

I use Gina everywhere. She is SSS for me. I built 2 and can do very well with them in most places in the game

Icaru should be a league of its own. You might need to build 3, but clearing more than 2 main dungeons with it is just op

you should do a follow up video to this where u do ur own personal tier list and compare it to the community one

Where's imp, imp champion, Serpent, Hellhound second awakenings? It's been long overdue to new 2As

I actually like the list, personally i would put icaru with the other pve units in s tier. The only pve units that deserves sss are kro and spectra because of how many places you can use them and how irreplacable they are. Some units are also low because they actually recuire runes/artifacts/skillups to shine and not everyone invests that much in these units (like fire fairy). Overall pretty good list still.

Icaru: revolutionized pve runs Used in most dungeon teams Bagel: Not sss tier... Also, no graph on the most wanted 2nd awakenings?

Finally a 2A tier list, nice one

Been using Iselia a lot in AO as I don't have chiwu/tiana yet, bernard/iselia/galleon/leah makes a really good cleave and she's still pretty consistent with her strip

Well done and thanks!

11:38, I've been playing the game since 2015 on this account (and 2014 on my old account) and at least on this account I have NEVER summoned the dark mystic witch. Nor have I summoned the light amazon. But on the other end of the spectrum I do have a dark pioneer so I can't complain too much :p

it would be amazing if Sorin's 3s have oblivion, a video of you using it would be cool.

I wish moria would get more love, she can hit crazy high 70k plus

ramahan hits so hard with def/cd/def easily an s tier. khan and varus are really strong too

I still have 3 LD 3* mons i haven't summoned. I've been playing since the beginning, but after about a year me and my ex broke up and I had to make another account 😢 But still literally haven't summoned Driller, Basalt or Baekdu. Before the last 2 years of anniversary summons. 😅

Thanks for this!

I was waiting for this one xD

Wish all 2A mobs were farmable, whether through sd/scenario update/ancient coin shop/guild shop

I just built my 3rd chacha and friends for g3 siege, she's atleast SS if not SSS when runed on triple revenge.

For those of you who put Naomi away after a while, she is a very strong and easy to rune candidate for one of your solo r5 damage dealers.

I must admit I am still too lazy to do most pvp stuff. I don't do RTA and most the time in the new guild battle thing I don't even change my teams and hope I win most the fights lol. Mind you my account is nearly 8 years old and I have 4 or 5 LD nat 5's (not from spending) and I often finish in the 1600 to 1700 range for arena.

Would love you to link these plus your version of these lists

I also don't most of the monsters are overall SSS. But if we're only talking about 2A monsters, the list feels fair.

The way I voted, was based on where you see/would use them

Hey Jewbagel, I would suggest that aside from our opinions, you would also compare your own Tier List to ours.

one thing to be said.. i do grade naomi and kro the same grade as they are basically siblings in terms of their skills and where you use them mostly.

2015 on and off and still no lushen is my equivalent of Gina

Gina not in SSS Tier is a Joke

Camaryn is awesome. At least A for sure. I use mine on turn 2 AO against Trianas and she hits 20k total on her third with only +200 attack.

I guess I'm picky when it comes to SSS tier. Vigor, Roaq, and Kro I can understand more or less. I put icaru in S tier. For me triple S means it can easily be used in nearly everything. From most your b10/b12 teams, rifts, and pvp. Sure icaru can potentially be used in some pvp stuff but not really. Unless you're using a weird gimmick, you're probably better off using something else.

I don't agree with Icaru being tripple S. Especially with the likes of Spectre and Roaq (who can argue Roaq probably isn't triple S) who are significantly easier to build. Not only do you need 3 Icaru, you also need decent tower level ups and runes. Where as spectre alone can be gotten very early on and you don't need crazy runes to make it work. Icaru is more like A to me, S if you are thinking of tricaru as one unit.

I think Hiva (wind reaper) is better than a lot of the c and b tier units. Unfortunately lushen exists so it’s hard for any wind damage dealer to shine but hiva does his job really well and can do it on pretty mid runes. If he kills with skill 3 the cooldown refreshes, he gets additional turns if he kills. I think Hiva is definitely underrated here. Not SSS tier or anything but B would’ve been fair.

I feel like ALL 2A should have their secret dungeons. Seems a bit unfair those aren't completely guaranteed to everyone.

I would rate Lala and Friends higher tho, I mean they heal cleanse and strip. Lulu and Shushu got replaced by Riley but Lala can strip so ...

You have hundreds of thousands of subscribers it's about time you realize people don't really care about the game as much as they care about you I recently watched a bunch of your videos and the moment you spoke about anything else you thought noone cared or wanted to hear your opinions on things not summoners war this is not true if you were to play a game and just talk or stream I can tell people would watch you have much more freedom to make content than you realize I think but anyways Love you bagel keep posting!

Nicer to see all elements on 1 chart (But I guess there were too many nat4)

Is there an update on this, im curious on what tier will zinc be

You left out linda who basically carries in toah.

I so disagree with Shannon. Id say SSS. Same with Bernard and Belladeon. 108 base spd, yeah, you cam shoehorn Kro into pvp. Or just dont feel like maxing crit, no need for crappy runes to get just 70% crit. Camaryn was either nerfed or her 3rd has a typo, she used to do 3 hits on 3rd.

I feel like Pom is a lot better than people think. AoE stuns and def breaks is disgusting. Maybe I'm missing something, but he seems S tier at least, imo. At least for PvP content. I can see him in A or B for PvE.

Omg I so relate to the pain of not summoning an LD 3 star. I still don't have light griffon after one year of playing, and yet I have 2 Nat 5s! Apparently that griffon is rarer XD

I would actually rank all the cats atleast A or S for due to their sheer utility/ease of built. Four of them have huge free crit buffs and have various uses in PVP and Wind shines in PVE the most. The weakest would be dark but even then she’s a solid DD with a passive that haunted the meta for like 2 years. Hoping they buff the weaker 2As soon, shame to see only one or two buffed every half a year

I'm just saying Darion is pretty freaking crazy for keeping your party alive

One wish: Could you tell us who got the most "I don't know's"? I'm courious whether people klick just anywhere if they don't use the unit, or who is the most unused unit at all

Took me 3 years and almost 200 LDS to get my Gina just last month

Vigor does deserve his SSS tier and i think Fire fairy is kinda strong in 4star spécial ligue she deserved better.

Can we talk about the Allen in the room? Didnt see the poll but if there was an actual F-Tier he needed to be in F-tier!

Why are making a statement "you can't use X on everywhere"? Before you make that statement, give a clear criteria what does S or A mean? is it PVE? is it PVP? Why not give 2 form for PVE and PVP? If a player feels it's strong that's his opinion. That's why I respect your tier lists or anybody's.

You can't rate them unless you actually built and used them. And about 70% of them I built and half of them I regret maxing out.

Thank you 🎉🎉

Com2us needs to bring out 2 different balance patch. One for 2a monsters and one for non 2a awaken etc. Because some of these 2a needs a desperate buff.

Me here liking light elemental right now but a tier😬😬😬

Mei is absolutely insane against skogul and similars. Make a deffbreak, either he dies or deals 0 damage and can be ignored for the rest of the battle. Don’t sleep on mei

Wind Catto is a good unit for Solo R5, dont forget about that

This list makes sense, when I either see it from "can't play this game without this unit" (sss) to "do not even try this unit" (e). I think the sss units are all unavoidable in some type of content.

Vigor is underated for rta

varus criminally underrated

Dark Howl OP !!!

please show us the glory of the one you disagree

I’m the only Hiva user in the world. Funny how often he gets banned in RTA, ‘cause people have no idea what I’m up to :)

Why do I miss every poll 😭😭😭

i would have put icaru on S but since you need three of them triple S seems accurate

I disagree with inugamis family being the best... I think they are a great one but dragon knight and the oracles ones are really more rated than the dogs

if you keep on saying that you don't agree with most of the placement in the tier list than show us your tier list

Everyone is SLEEPING on Ramahan and Khan!

Tierlist I was waiting for em 👍🏼🫡 . After watching it .i edited. You need to make the tierlist that you think is best for you 👍🏼 overall. When you get the time ofc lol. Nat 5 List after patch too OvR . 👍🏼

I personally feel insulted by camaryn( dark pixie) placement. I use her in a guild seige team with Tyrone an a robo for control in 4 star towers so she should be a tier higher at least

i shove him into pvp with nephthys. they go hard together

I think this list more than any of the other ones showcases that a lot of newbie players are voting on these polls lol.

Miho is still very good in guild content on Offense. Definitely not defense anymore

GARUDAs? Where are ANY of them on this list? TEON is SSS, Konimiya is S or A.

Now tier list for 5 stars

2A Ramahan spotlight please!!!!

Can you please start using names for things? I listen to videos instead of watch them so it is rough when you say "him, her, them, this one, one of these" I have to re watch the video just to know what's going on.

Love team up mechanics

updated list? :D

My boi Ramahan deserved more

Fire Vagas under rated

I hope com2us gives us more 2A monsters

No New second awakenings since i left the game several years ago. Decepointing

How to get light griffon?

Welp.... i have 4 Dark Witches lol

Fire werewolf, heals team by 5% HP every turn, budget perna. EZ fix

I got dupes of those dark witches