It came out in 1987. That was when the first media reports of it appeared.

I believe this tank was brought up to the surface in 1984??? After it had fallen off the back of a landing craft and had been there for 40 years???

Its wild how that happens. Many of us study history and believe that we have a decent understanding of our nations story. Until we later find out that we dont know sh¡t. 🇺🇸

I also visited this beach and tank recently.

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@@seanvance3393 is it linked to an email? If so you can request for your password to be changed.

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Very poignant.

Maybe you can look up that serviceman online... how knows, maybe you can even find some of his relatives. I am sure they would be thrlled.

If wish I can do research on Ancestry/com as I have access to military records. Not all because so many burned up in the warehouse fire in the 70s. I've had some success in finding some info on most searches.

Can you help me learn more aboutwhat and where my paps friend did in ww2?​@@LuvBorderCollies

I'm guessing it doesn't say what happened/ why it's there?

I live fairly close and whilst it's a beautiful area, I always get a strange feeling driving along the front knowing what happened. Respect to the 201.

Tnx for the info.

May that anchor stay Peace to your brothers and sons

My uncle Melvin Glaze was killed during exercise tiger he was a quarter master he was from join, Missouri he had turned (20). In Jan. 1944 about three and half months before he died

The training for the average US soldier was just plain awful. I know at one WW2 vet wrote a book about the "training" they rec'd which was a joke. Basically you learned how to march back and forth on the parade ground, shine your shoes and make your bed. Parade ground generals in 1944 imitating Napoleon type training.

@@JohnDoe-ee6qs Book title or sub title was something about joke called training thats all I recall. He was on a history documentary tv show years ago.

Not speaking specifically of this event: It’s easy to throw stones with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. There are obvious examples of bad judgement (McArthur ignoring the risk, and evidence, of Chinese intervention) but without being there, it’s hard to know what ones were poor choices because of bad decisions and what ones were due to incomplete information. War, and strategy, has two living/acting belligerents... both trying to outmaneuver, deceive, and force each other to their will. There is a saying in the Army... “the enemy always gets a vote.” Combat involves taking risk and often rewards being audacious. Sometimes that works for you... sometimes it doesn’t. You act as if commanders always know everything and have unlimited resources. (Hint: We don’t.) Without that, you have to choose where to assume risk. You can never eliminate risk. You also can’t NOT conduct tough/realistic training. That training is often risky. I have seen several Soldiers die in training... every time it was something that had to be trained and the event was a very unlikely occurrence. Could it have been prevented, MAYBE ... but not without detrimentally affecting the value of the training for everyone or wasting a lot of resources for a “one in a million +” event that odds say will never happen. Even so, they are all a tragedy that most commanders wish they could go back and change.

Bankers wars cost lives.

Competent leaders cost lives too. In war, all manner of things cost lives.

I’m happy for you to have met this very special soul.

Just a devastating and fundamentally unnecessary massacre!

In 1994 I knew a funeral home worker who was going back. He said his was nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof.

After that experience they still sent him in? Pretty callous.

It was aroun# the lat '70s to before Summer '82 when I read in the newspaper(Washington Postt) about it when I was either 13 or 14. That was so sad.

Schnell boot

Secrecy maintained so the Germans didn't know and then later kept secret in order to cover up ...

I saw a photo of my uncle's grave there whom was killed at exercise tiger. He was on ship 531. On his grave is a white cross with his name, rank and birth day/ death day he was only (20) yrs. Old

That's exactly what they did This was kept secret for many years

​@@caractacusbrittania7442 KIA = Killed in Action. They were told MISSING in action causing agonizing false hope.

The Germans were watching & listening... No military intelligence.

British were having a spot of Tea?

@@david-leethompson62 you'd be surprised how good German intelligence is these days 😁

So what? They already knew all about it.

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He had a ghost writer,

I can only answer from Iraq. It is easier for the forces to state mia than admit to their severe lack of planning and judgment. Prime example of this is still in ww2. The allies cut off all supply lines to so called death camps for years. That is until they found them just as they planned to enter Germany. How do they fix it. Admit they starved these people or blame Germany. The first action is to put troops on the ground, second is to severe all supplies to troops and troop movement. Just as well the red cross kept meticulous records.

@@justintime1307 I know the Dutch Underground kept the British command informed of activities in the Netherlands(Holland). How much the British command told the US and other allies, who knows. I do know that "someone" sent a couple of fighters over to Holland to strafe and sink a river barge full of milk that was due to leave for Germany. So if they received and acted on rather small things like one river barge of milk, the Brits certainly knew about the roundups of Dutch citizens to be marched to Germany as slave labor. I say Brits because that was who the Dutch Underground was in contact with. Again how much was passed on to the US/Allies, don't know.

@@LuvBorderCollies That would not surprise me. The British knew exactly where the wolves layer was as well as the movement of himler and his close party members. The fact the red cross kept very specific records of trying to supply certain work camps speaks louder than words. How much more of their history has been fabricated to have us look like the good guys. My grandfather never spoke about what he seen and did. He lost an eye in 44 and got sent home. I never understood why he didn't like to talk until I served in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and Iraq. We went through nothing like our grandparents did. I will never tell my own children half of it, all they know is I served. That history is already a lie now

@@justintime1307 The covid lockup gave me extra time to research last year and I discovered an older guy in my hometown was in the OSS in northern NL...Friesland to be more precise. I had no idea he was even in the military. Talked to him many times as he owned the lumber yard. My sister was very best friends with his daughter so we knew him very well. Unfortunately he passed on about 10 years ago. He was born in Friesland but his parent migrated to the US with his brothers who also were in the US military(which I didn't know either). How I wish I'd known that years ago.! Maybe he would've opened up and talked about his experiences, maybe not. For a small town of 800 we had a lot of WW2 vets. A number of them had issues of some kind. One who did was the B-24 nose gunner or bombardier saw many of his friends in other B-24s. Worst was the disastrous bombing operation on Schweinfurt and multiple other cities in southern Germany/Europe. Then he was on several low level attacks on Ploesti oil refinery. Up in the glass he had a ringside seat watching planes with guys he knew smack the ground in a ball of flames. How he survived his 40 or 50 missions....it wasn't his time.

@@JohnDoe-ee6qs I meant to type Pre - D - Day ...

This one either. 4 DVD docu-series 'Sacrificing Liberty', the deliberate tragedy where USS Liberty survivors were told, 'don't ever talk about this incident again, if you do you'll see prison or else' and they all knew what 'or else' meant. Operation Cyanide.

Gulf stream has some effect on western Europe especially near the coast. But its lost a lot its Carribean warmth by then. One of my great grandmothers always hated coming to Midwest USA because of the extremes in climate. It got cold in Holland but nothing like polar cold -25 Fahrenheit or 100+ in the summer. I've monitoring the weather in Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands for some years, and I see how less drastic the temps are in central Norway(away from coast) vs Denmark and west central NL.

What sums it up is what the hell were they doing out thêre in the middle of the night...praticing sea sickness

Fuck up on both sides. Americans bombing their own troops?

As I was told, 382 were wounded, with 153 too badly injured to ever serve again & were sent home by Christmas of 1944. They were threatened not only with imprisonment if they spoke to anyone about Operation: Tiger, but also with a total loss of any current or future G.I. benefits for the remainder of their lives. I don't know what the tally was for those who were released to participate in the D-Day Invasion, who died either during or following the landings. But they were subject to the same penalties as those who were badly injured & were initially sent stateside This is standard operating procedure when there's a world class clusterf*ck in the military, the officers don't accept responsibility & everyone else pays the price. It's the same now as it was then.

2,000 died on D Day, incredible

@@SierraThunder One of my cousins did 22 years in the US Navy. When the Iowa disaster happened the upper brass's first response is to dodge blame themselves and then find a scapegoat. Most everyone involved in munitions knew the WW2 made powder bags had to be handled carefully because of deterioration. But this was ignored, overlooked or forgotten that day on the Iowa. Also from cuz, the US Navy in an average year loses more people to accidents than during the Gulf War.

I guess a tuff part for some survivor's would be when all these Hero's come home and tell their war stories and you have experienced something so horrible. U seen some of your own comrades kill your own countrymen and you are sworn to secrecy and have to deal with it all on your own.

No it wouldn't. I seen things in Iraq that is listed as secret. The same in Afghanistan. Let's just say american troops are perfect at blue on blue.

Wanna Bet ?

Haha Nope Nothing happens to idiots now

Think of the coverup of what really happened to that ex-NFL player in Afghanistan, the one who went on to be a Ranger. My brother being Airborne for years was in a number of lovely cesspools of the world. There's tons of crap happening and sometimes the media is there but the media keeps quiet,.....well, on second thought it depends on who is president...that determines what gets reported.

Just like WW1.

I agree; D-day was almost miraculous to have gotten the foothold on the beach by sundown the first day, and the success of the decoy operation, having General Patton pretend to organize the "real" invasion, which caused the Germans to withhold the armor from the Normandy beaches until too late. All the armies there were oversupplied with dead weight officers; the US, the British AND the Germans. It was a war, so the families knew bad things could happen, but there were some debacles that were covered up, for sure.

@@DavidSmith-ss1cg The Allies were very fortunate that Hitler screwed up and held back his armor. If Hitler had been out of the picture Normandy would have been a slaughter house.

Widely known and covered up.

Please, don’t be. I look at the punishment Britain took and think they fought like Hell and we didn’t have to until later. And besides, you guys have sided with the USA many times when it was not even in your interest to do so. People don’t know that. Let’s all remember when things went way past push, shove into big time fight, we were on the right side. And let’s just remember those guys’ sacrifice for a necessary cause.

A half dozen motor torpedo boats to seaward, or a destroyer or two should have been on station...mind boggles

Hadn't heard of the live fire blue on blue incident....what the...

Those brave men deserve a lot more respect as do their families. It took so long to open up the second front while the Russian soldiers were fighting and dying in their thousands on the eastern front.

@@ljimlewis I hear you and appreciate your reply..

Disagree.