Like an All Coat or MSP?

You'll appreciate tomorrow's video .I explain a lot more about the paint too.

under 4ltrs for £108.. customer won't pay for that, the cheaper alternative was gone for lol

I suggest/advise the finish to the customer and just give them one figure for labour and materials. Advance is the only alternative I would use but drying time will increase labour cost as you can’t recoat same day.

@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorsurely 3.8 scuff x is cheaper than 2.5 f&b u/coat and 2.5 f&b eggshell?

I've not tried those. vids coming up using 2k uPVC paints though ;)

Who did you speak to, Bruce? All Coat is said to go on with no primer. Some instances you may need 123 (etc) as a primer. Have you seen my all coat upvc video, scratch test?

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator they specified the exterior water based satin as it’s a very busy household with young children as I needed a quick drying odourless product 👌🏻

have they altered it?

Monday :)

Thanks for sharing!

What do you use?

​@ProfessionalPainterDecorator In that price bracket I use Little Green. Similar palette to F&B but far superior.

@@paulryan2081 in what way?

@ProfessionalPainterDecorator For all the reasons mentioned initially. On emulsions, F&B coverage is dreadful and no better than the budget range from a DIY store. I've applied 3, sometimes 4 coats and still had previous coatings grinning through, especially around the brushwork. The company was sold a few years back and has been shite ever since. I'm old school and still prefer oil on trim. Water-based products are not as durable or as serviceable as oil-based paints. I've gone to many a job where, for instance, the balustrade has been finished in water-based. Over time, through handling, the oil in your skin leaves that greasy black mark on handrails, newels etc, and also around door edges and light switches. This oil from your skin 'welds' itself to the coating and doesn't come off easily, so people use more detergent and rub more aggressively, removing the coating at the same time. Little Green still do an oil, and I have redecorated many times over water-based failures. Marks come off easily with a mild detergent and a damp cloth. Yes, there is the yellowing, but as both F&B and Little Green don't do a brilliant white, it's not as noticeable. Oil far outperforms water-based alternatives on exteriors. I have two properties next door to each other that I have painted over many years. Both fully prepared initially, the one in oil gets repainted every 6-8 years, whereas the one in water-based is done every 4-5. The client with the shorter maintenance cycle insists on using F&B because he can afford it and likes to tell his neighbours. 😂 When I started work in 1980, water-based paints for trim was in its infancy, and the fellas I learnt from said it was 'glorified silk emulsion'. It's not much better now. Sorry for the big rant Phil, I'm going for a lie down. 😅

@@paulryan2081 lol cheapo basic water based paints soften up with hands.... but theres plenty of brands that don't do that which are water based. H&G do Touch Gard, have you tried any of there paints? But others do a similar. YOu'll still go to plenty of outsides that were painted in Oil, that have come off. See our Insta or FB page, to see the job we've just finished.. taht was Sikkens Satura and it was in a right state. Peeling paint back to the bare wood. It wouldn't have been water based back then and its come off. We've jsut done it in Isomat Isolac satin... came up awesome. It'll last as good as anything else.

durability in what way?