Seiko is turning me into a Pagani fan ...

Some of the new Citizens look incredible as well with great specs for less than this. I'm on the Citizen hype train as well

oh yeah, citizen for sure.

A San Martin with a finish as good as a Rolex will cost you less and be better.

Seiko is just crap these days. It was the brand that made me fall in love with watches in the early 2000s..but these days...oh god, no thanks. The last I bought was a 5 GMT and it was full of QC problems - totally misaligned, dust on the dial. Citizen yes, I'd say it is my favourite brand these days. I own 6 atm. Best band per buck watches out there. It is the brand I recommend to all my friends when they ask me which watch to buy. At least they give us sapphire and solid bracelets for 200ish bucks.

In the US retail is $395, and you can get one for around $300

​@@ajmarionStill overpriced for what it is.

At my Seiko's shop it's 390 why 625 here ?

@@trambertramber9280 $625 is the retail but $390 sounds like a far more realistic price. Still needs sapphire. Citizen and loads of independent brands have sapphire at less than even $390. If they can do it, Seiko should be able to as well.

@@trambertramber9280 different currency

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Agree. I have seiko snxs79, seiko (don't remember reference, but it's 7009 movement on the back), some casio (f91, wa500) and 1 swiss military hanowa. All watches have 36-38mm diameter (afraid swiss military, it have 40). And it's look so great. They don't too big, they don't small. Look perfect, sophisticated i think. Also think that crown no't issue. It's feature of this watch. Other cons - subjective except of price - agree, that 300$+ it's too much for them.

I basically only wear vintage watches because of the ridiculous size of modern ones. Even this one would be a little too large for me with a lug-lug of nearly 45mm. Even my 37mm "jumbo" vintage Longines only have 42mm lug-lug.

With Street Fighter characters

limited edition limited to 8989898989899779979797997979 pieces!

A special limited edition of only 100'000 watches...

At this price you are getting Swiss quartz or powermatic with 23 jewels which is crap.

​@@chosearmandoarmando3864Yeah, why get a factory-regulated freesprung balance wheel movement that usually gets chronometer accuracy straight out of the box and boasts double the power reserve when Seiko can get you half the accuracy and power reserve with a hardlex crystal instead? And besides the Powermatic there are also watches equipped with the classic lever-regulated 2824-2 and the all metal Hamilton H-10/40 if the plastic concerns you. All I'm saying is that as much as I love Seiko, they really are inflating the prices of watches with pathetic specs.

​@@chosearmandoarmando3864Powermatics bum me out man, theyre made to be replaced rather than serviced. Which turned tissot into Swatch+ with half their catalog.

I agree. Wasn't happy with a white seiko5. Too hard to read at night. Bought Addisdive also. Easy to read lume at 5am. Daylight it's great. Good 24 hour beater.

It cost $700 to make a Rolex submariner purchase price $10,000

@@earlbee3196Quelle? Source?

IN Europe, it's 390 on my Seiko's shop !!! Why 625 here ?

That's insane value. How on earth do they make any money off that £40!

The Fujitsubo's a great watch. Enjoy!

Definitely. One can get a Citizen Promaster NY0040 or an Orient Kamasu for the price or slightly less than a "5KX", which is a poor competitor.

@shj2000 Could you give me an example

@@AndySmith4501 Two quickies, Tsuyosa and the new titanium NJ018080X. Both automatics with sapphire crystals and nicer bracelets. The Ti model has a metal treatment making it 5X harder than steel. And both well under $500. Browse their catalog - they have a ton of new offerings.

No contest with my own personally experienced failure rate of almost 50% on Citizen, with my dozen+ Seiko calibres still ticking without failures!

@@owenlaprath4135Damn. I appreciate your comment.

Greedflation.

I know exactly what you mean. Sad to see with benchmade

Yup. Spyderco does the same with sprint runs.

Greed.

and remember when Seiko 5 did not have any collabs with cartoons..?…look at now….🤦🏻‍♂️🙆🏻‍♂️

To be fair they did also used to be pretty shite and their quality reflected their price. I like the old Seiko 5s but you can't deny the build quality these days is many levels above those

The same thing that's happened with every brand in every category of product - there is no (or very little) money to be made in the lowest end of the market. Some days it sucks to realize you gotta dig deeper into your wallet to get what you want but that is the new reality of the marketplace.

@@runningawayvagabond5876 Yes. Most of Seiko's profits are from quartz watches, not mechanicals. These are just produced to give them reputation and attention from the watch community, not to be their bread and butter, much the same way a brand of automobile might produce a super car for brand recognition but make most of their money from selling mini-vans and small sedans.

They are struggling ? lol you don’t know what you are talking about

I have 12 or so seiko automatic bought -saw all this coming just before they discontinued the skx007😢 I will not buy anything seiko releases now.

Hopefully, they didn’t ding the hardlex on the way down

@@brianmccord7387😂

@@surfside75 nobody care man, you do you

Yeah but it’s not a seiko , Not good for us seikohollics. Only kidding.

Agreed. Not sure who Seiko thinks they are these days.

Nice one! Enjoy.

I’ve got two of the older models On uncle straps bracelet.

You will cry as badly as did, when your Citizen watches and Miyota calibres in others start failing after a year or 2. So far 4 out of 7 are DEAD, with Seiko/TMI still ticking after 35 years for the oldest. You get what you pay for, but not with Citizen, because the failures were my most expensive watches!

Nothing good coming out from Citizen either

@@owenlaprath4135 The Citizen 82XX is a better movement than the NH35 in all but look.

@@neutronalchemist3241 i have 8205 in my NY-0040 it Is better than 7S26 but not then 4R series.

Ha! Good job mate!

Thanks John! Have a great day mate.

Solesx

Yeah ! But it’s not a seiko .

The Tsuyosa is a cracking watch

Seiko is too expensive but not Omega? What a joke

Yes I totally agree.

I just switched to Casio. I know its not an automatic, but automatics aren't that value packed below 500 USD anyways.

Its always this. Youre always going to pay for "heritage".

We think Swiss watches are worth their prices, absolutely not!

@@a0r0a7 absolutely agree ! But at least they’re status symbols. Seiko is not a status symbol, it was a value oriented product with a brand name that has heritage. Now it’s just a heritage name with no substance to back it.

@@achraftahir faux status in many cases. The awful quartz movements fitted in certain Swiss brands and exorbitant pricing is way beyond what Seiko are doing. I can get a replacement movement in a well known Swiss diver for £18, the Swiss sell said watch for £1200. As for paying £650 for a mechanical with plastic escape wheel and pallets I would advise sticking with movements that have jewelled lever pallets and metal escape wheels. Don't get me started on the Moonswatch, one I will happily name as truly overpriced rubbish. Yes Seiko were budget orientated in the 5 line but you forget King Seiko etc.. Seiko has many levels of watch class but only watch snobs will never accept Grand Seiko, so yes they are a status symbol. Yes this new Seiko 5 is way above the original ethos of the 5 but finishing, bracelet and movement are better. However on another note there are plenty of excellent microbrands out there and dare I say it Aliexpress brands, Addiesdive, SM, Chronos that offer astounding product v price paid. I know where you are coming from because I am wearing a SNK361 with a quality replacement bracelet, you are right this watch cost just £100, looks way more expensive than that. Seiko do need to keep in mind the ethos of the original 5 line something they are definitely off with pricing at present.

@@a0r0a7 "problem" with Swiss watches is that, by law, they must use a Swiss movement. It's hard to make a budget watch when the movement alone costs $ 150. Once the movement is expensive, all the rest of the watch is bound to be made to higher standards, and so to be expensive, because, if the watch fails, or has cheap looking parts, it's not a cheap watch that failed, or had cheap looking parts.

Indeed. They seem unaware or ambivalent on this .

I sold 3 Seiko and bought 3 San martin with the money. Best thing ive ever done. San Martin are miles better in terms of quality

Thanks man! Just hit it last night!

Erebus Ascent?

No sapphire in the seiko 5 range since the 60’s, is it hard to understand ?

Some of us prefer mineral; it's stronger.

$600 AUD. $350 USD

Same, I bought a 5 a few years ago, it's finish was cheap and mis aligned, ever since, I see the 5 and I run.

I bought a new seiko5, and pretty quickly realized how ugly the new Seiko 5 logo is. I couldn't sell it fast enough.

May as well buy Lotus or Alba

You can absolutely find a new Hamilton for less during discounts at dealers and some jewelery stores. When will Seiko realize nobody buys their watches to flex them being limited editions or whatever?

This is a skip for sure. This watch a thick overpriced disaster. To each their own. But damn, this watch ain’t got much going for it.

funny

Haha !

Maybe because everthing else is better on those Citizen? The price is also lower, lol.

@@replix0r Citizen are not cheaper

These KZfaqrs are a joke, this piece is great, you don’t review a watch without wearing it, 😂😂😂

@@JowcoII know right! Quality wise it’s amazing, looks incredible on the wrist

You don’t know what you are talking about.

There’s more to a watch than just specs on paper

@@ajmarion IE? I can pay a premium for Japanese manufacturing and brand heritage. But when Citizen can make equally Japanese watches with better specs (and likely better manufacturing) for half the price. It's over.