Taub: "Sane people don't commit suicide" Kutner...exited the chat

That suicide remark by Kutner was horrifyingly sad...

I can't even imagine what kind of pain would make me say in front of my son "I want to die" Sad story for real.

Taub: "Sane people don't commit suicide" Kutner: "Bet?"

This episode gave Kunter's first clue of depression. Just that no one would've guessed he was depressed.

"Not ever?" This line is haunting after certain future events

The interesting thing here is that Kutner's explanation re: suicide as it applies to him ("when your life sucks from the beginning, you have nowhere to go but up") is completely at odds with what actually happened a few episodes later ☠

House is always in so much pain, unless you deal with a chronic pain it's hard to understand. It does make you cynical, bitter, in a constant bad mood...depressed... But he clearly does care about people, him always pushing himself so long and hard adds to his physical pain.

That Kutner line "Not ever?" just hit WAY outta the blue I do not remember that

Thirteen: "Sounds like fibromyalgia." Cameron: "Sounds like you dont work for house." Ouch! Thirteen was soo new she didn't take into account that any patients that reach House is never a simple diagnosis. Also Cameron is a senior and worked 3 years for House so she knows that it is never simple with him.

Untreated pain and fatigue definitely can lead to severe depression over time. And gaslighting can turn the most accomplished and competent into traumatized recluses. I spent years seeking answers, spending energy and resources on medical appointments I dreaded, giving up my work and social connections as I became incapable of normal interactions. My issue was finally resolved by a psych I saw for severe cognitive loss. Whereas other docs insisted I was crazy and menopausal, the psych insisted it was something else and ran a 1000 euro in blood tests. When he called to say my tests matched my symptoms I cried. I had severe micronutrient deficiencies caused by cellular level malabsorption issues. It has been a long road to recovery, filled with rage and frustration, but finally seeing results. I also know how to walk out on a useless med appointment.

Kutner took that Taub line personally

Thank you house! At 1:17 when Taub says "he's seen specialists for 3 years and no one can find anything wrong with him, what does that tell you? " he automatically assumed it's not real or all in his head or he's exaggerating. House shut that down so fast because he knows that's not true. Please don't assume we're crazy, or just looking for drugs.

“Nobody wants to die, they just want the pain to stop”

I have chronic pain that is mainly orthopaedic and I have had it for 28 years . The past 10 years I have had to convince myself to live one more day every single day And I'm completely sane . Sanity and wanting to end the pain are not even close to being related .

That kid at 2:40 is a great actor, he was also in the show criminal minds as a blind kid that witnessed his mothers death and was kidnapped by the guy that killed his mother, but the guy felt some type of remorse and just took the kid out to have a good time

The fact that Taub could look back on this as a hint makes him crying in the episode where Kutner dies way worse

CREEPY HOW THE "SUICIDE REMARK" LINE PASSED US AUDIENCE WITHOUT US NOTICING THAT KUTHER WOULD.....

Is anyone gonna talk the horrifying implications of 0:59

We gonna talk about 0:30? Cameron roasted Thirteen lol

I....I just realised thirteen and cameron are 2 different people... thats what you get for only watching snippets of the show, im glad i started binge watching.

I dealt with back, hip, and leg pain for 8 years before I finally found a doctor that was interested enough to find out why it hurt and what to do about it instead of just pushing me out the door with super tylenol. I was 25 and walked with a cane because I couldn't do it without that. I slept on the floor because I couldn't lie in bed without it hurting. Sitting hurt. Standing hurt. Laying down hurt. Everything hurt and it hurt all the time. When someone tells you they hurt that bad, you believe them.

Talb: Sane people don't attempt suicide 😒 Kutner: (Epic Side-eye) Not ever? 🤨 Also Kutner (8 Episodes later): 💀🔫

Ok, yes taub saying "sane people dont try to commit suicide" is not a good thing to say, and kutner saying "not ever?" is a big deal given what happens, but the next comment "so if you were being burned at the stake and someone handed you a gun...?" and taub just saying "id shoot the guys with the torches" was hilarious

House is simply cranky because he is acutely constipated due to all the vicodin he eats, is my diagnosis

The best TV show ever made, if you ask me. You laugh, you cry, you think, you feel, all depths of human nature are explored, acting and writing is superb, there is science, philosophy, politics, continuous moral issues, continuous breaking down stereotypes, can be serious as a thing can be and light and naughty in the same scene. All characters are equally deep, developed, interesting, flawed, brilliant. And, yeah, some diagnostical medecine is explained. The best TV show ever made.

Martin Henderson is an excellent actor, loved him on this episode

I wanna put out there that Kutner said “It’s people *like* me who don’t do it.” He’s saying that he probably shouldn’t feel that way, or maybe he’s trying to dissuade his coworkers from any inkling that maybe there’s anything going on with him. He’s not necessarily saying he wouldn’t do it, just that they shouldn’t think he’d do it, that people like him wouldn’t do it (but maybe he would).

0:59 This is a particularly interesting scene to watch knowing Kutner’s fate. I know that the actor briefly left his acting career to pursue his political career (but is now back to acting) so I wonder HOW long the writers knew about what Kutner would end up doing. So there’s a few different scenes of Kutner that makes me wonder if the writing just happened to work out and make sense or if they had been planning it a bit ahead of time. I guess it depends on WHEN Kal Penn decided to leave the show and when he knew that he would be working in the White House. He’s a great actor. Obviously he was great in the Harold & Kumar films, then this show, I remember he also portrayed a killer on an episode of Law & Order: SVU (he has been on many other shows and movies since then as well). When I watched the horror movie “Smile” in the theater last year, I was happy to see him in the film! That’s a GREAT horror film btw, I was surprised at how scary and interesting it was. Highly recommend! Kevin Bacon’s daughter Sosie Bacon is the star of the film and she’s amazing in it. Kal Penn portray’s her boss at the hospital she works at.

I know exactly how you feel Jeff. I've been struggling with cancer & muscular neuropathy for 3 years now. There's not a single day I wake up not in pain, there isn't a single night I go to bed without tears in my eyes. I don't have what it takes to finish me off but I also no longer have the will to live.

Taub really thought reading out the written depression survey was the best use of his time

THANK YOU for uploading Painless! My favourite episode.

"Does this look like quail to you?" (Holding a big thick steak) Um, no, not at all...

I remember this one, The son and father were playing ball hockey and the son hit the father in the groin and cause damage which caused the pain for three years.

Thats a huge amount of foreshadowing for what happens to tao eventually

Kutner: "I wouldn't commit suicide." The writers eight episodes later: "SYKE!"

boy: why don't you let my dad die? House: son this isn't canada

The bit about Kutner is a huge coincidence seeing as he only left the show to go work for Obama. It wasn't planned.

Such a powerful foreshadowing scene..

"Everybody Lies" Gregory House

0:57 The foreshadowing here for Kutner is heartbreaking.

This watching U TOOB shorts ain’t cutting it. I’m gonna have to watch the whole series.

(EDIT: Sorry for the book of a comment 😂) The diagnosis of Fibromyalgia to this day still makes me angry. After speaking with ALOT of different doctors and specialist, the majority of them have told me they’ve come to the same conclusion over time… that fibromyalgia is essentially a painful diagnosis of “we don’t know what’s wrong with you” Before people who are diagnosed with or know some who has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I am in NO WAY saying that people with this diagnosis arnt experiencing pain on another level. Because they are! Everyday! I know that because I am one of them. But again doing a lot of research and speaking to a lot of specialists, it’s essentially giving a diagnosis without giving an actual diagnosis. And one of the shitty parts about this diagnosis is if you have it in your chart and go to the doctor or especially the ER with some other new or different symptom or something medically going on that is causing you pain, quite a few doctors will immediately brush you off and say “it’s just your fibro flaring up” with no further investigation into the situation. And that’s a dangerous place to be in medically. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting some amazing people with the same diagnosis and have heard horror stories regarding this issue. And have experience this issue myself as well. This issue even cost my long time therapist who I also consider a friend her life due to this problem. They wrote it off as her fibro flaring up without any further testing, only to find out after her death that she had late stage bone cancer in her hip that metastasized. So if you are diagnosed with this, I am so sorry you are having to go through life with pain and do not be afraid to advocate for yourself!! You know your body! And if something is off or wrong then please speak up and don’t take this explanation as an answer if you feel there’s more to it! Unpopular opinion but that has been my experience.

_«It's people like me who don't do it.»_ -Kutner

Every doctor who says only insane people suicide should lose his license immediately.

Kutner saying people like him don't commit suicide is so sad.

If you're wondering, The dude had epilepsi, and it had somethig to do with his balls

I wonder if all of the suicide talk with Kutner was planned. I know the actor was moving on to work(for the secret service) somewhat suddenly later on.

Rest In Peace Brother 🙏

the amount of unintentional foreshadowing of Kutnar's suicide on various episodes is a bit weird (in an eerie, good way lol).

Every single time a doctor asks if you're depressed when you're in horrible chronic pain trying to get answers and you just want to tell them how utterly stupid that is. Too many smug, incompetent a-holes. Many of us have been there. This is why House saying this is so satisfying.

Im curious: are there diagnosis machines/methods that can detect and quantify nerve signals to the pain receptors in the brain? I mean electricians can diagnose a short or a improper energy flow in an electrical system by tracking voltage, why not a similar method for the nervous system?

But they already said he had a medicine cabinet full of narcotics. Wouldn't swallowing those down be more effective and less painful?

i never liked the Kutner suicide plotline because it felt so shoehorned but maybe this actually gives more reason to it? How many episodes was this before the suicide?

I wonder if they already knew what was going to happen with Kutner when they were writing this episode, or if they found out after.

“Search the home, go home, and get a refill” 😂😂😂

I wanna give kurtner a hug

The fact that it was Kutner of all people to rebuke again saying that sane people don’t commit suicide hurts more now

When I started showing symptoms of FMF (familial Mediterranean fever, also covered in HOUSE to the extreme set of symptoms) I didn’t realize I was showing signs of depression. Anxiety, yes, was a norm but depression, not really. I never received a depression screening at the time either. However, looking back between ages 19-24, when the pain was at the worst, I was showing symptoms of depression. I slept a lot, lost interest in many things, joy…When my symptoms resolved and I went into therapy at 24, I felt better. FMF had led to chronic joint pain and inflammatory pain that truly inhibited my social circle. Bowel pain, uterine pain, chest paint, swelling…I remember the pain being so terrible I’d just lie in bed with heating pads because ice didn’t work. I’d massage my joints and be so inflamed I’d bruise. My periods. Ear crippled me. Intestinal pain and digestive issues due to inflammation. I’d have inflammation of the ribs and sternum which made it difficult to breathe. 😮 yeh, looking back I definitely was depressed At age 29 when I went on SSRIs for PTSD/GAD, I was already resolving my symptoms due the episodic nature of FMF, but my inflammation disappeared. SSRIs inhibit inflammation. I looked in the mirror and realized my skin didn’t feel puffy…I felt cool, I didn’t have soreness or swelling…I had lived with the symptoms so long I forgot what it felt like to feel NORMAL of mood and body. 😊

his delivery on that "i want to die" was so powerful

Its amazing how hateable Cameron was for someone on the good side..

How much is the bill of patients in this show?

If you're life sucks from the beginning things can only go up. I used to think that. But then they went down. And further down. And I'm still free falling.

Can we count how many times Dr house popped norcos in this episode

I never noticed Kutner said that until I’m rewatching episodes after he died.

I loooove thirteen’s outfit here

That young man's face when his dad started to have heart failure was very convincing. If he has trauma I hope he dles.t keep doing acting. Acting can take a huge toll on people a.d child actors big time...if that young man had trauma in his childhood I hope he keeps up with therapy

What was the end of the episode?

"it's people like me who don't do it" - Proceeds to do it

I have fibromyalgia. It's all the symptoms that come with fibro. I used to stay home and I have come as far as 39 hrs a week work, with meds and weight loss.

Self-destruction is self-fulfilling.

Kutner's remark about suicide is haunting if you know what happened later.

Aw the little boy was my friend in high school his name is jake cherry & he played in night at the museum 🫶🏼

"He needs more medicine" Man i hope that's improv from the kid because that gave me a laugh

These episodes are too short.

Is that normal for medical staff to search people's homes? I've only seen that on House.

Family is not allowed to be present when tests are being performed...such as a biopsy.

0:50 to 1:10 Oh wow. If you know you know. I've never rewatched this episode...

Bro the child😭

"I'd shoot the guys with the torches" I like this guy.

Im a simple man. I see a house video with thirteen in the thumbnail, I click

I've had this discussion before about Kutner and what ultimately caused him to commit suicide (completely ignoring the fact that Kal Penn went on to be a diplomat for Obama, so Thanks Obama). In the episode that it happened in, they had uncovered that the guy who killed Kutner's parents had died in prison. Kutner had bought a handgun with the intention of gunning him down the moment he stepped foot out of the hospital. As soon as he learned about that guy's death, that was when he turned the gun on himself. No one would have suspected Kutner to do such a thing, either. His foster parents, Mr. and Mrs. Kutner described him as a delightful child, even so much, that HE decided to take on their last name and regard them as mom and dad. But from the time his parents were both killed, Kutner had the goal of waiting until the man who killed them was released from prison so that he could kill the man personally. When he died, that meant his purpose was fulfilled, and he could rest knowing that guy was dead.

Suicide is a truly unknowable event. We are twice as likely to kill ourselves when compared to the likelihood of being violently killed. Our children kill themselves more often now than they did just five years ago and we, as a species are working diligently to render our own planet (the only one we have found so far in the whole of the Universe) unable to support life. We are facing a global self extinction and yet no one truly even wants to understand suicide. That is how much it scares us. How little we understand it.

"Sane people don't commit suicide" Obvosly he's not a doctor because anyone would know that's not true. Cancer patients and many more people in pain would rather die then deal with it. Any actual doctor would know that

5:46 “he needs more medicine” Common KZfaq comment on House videos

Part 2 or episode name and season

@00:47 is he Gideon Godard from Mr. Robot?

I cant believe it was infront of us this whole time woth Kutner. Its so sad

If the patient wanted to die why didn't he have a Do Not Resuscitate order pinned to his shirt when he was found?

It’s lupus. Its always lupus.

Really curious how Kutner's character would have shaped up if the actor didn't leave the show to go work in the White House lol

4:39 “ does this look like quail to you?” - Are you freaking kidding me? Like who in ff knows what “Quail” even freaking looks like and how to differentiate a quail from any other bird? This is ridiculous to even contemplate. Is this pigeon, parakeet, or quail! Hmmm?

tHIS EPISODE MAD EM GAYAYSYS

Ask Taub about Masada.

With pain, feeling it constantly for years is torture, I’ve been in constant pain for more than half my life I don’t remember the last time I went a day where I wasn’t in pain. I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve wanted to shoot myself to become paralyzed so that I wouldn’t feel that pain anymore, but I never would because I know that I’d be worse off

Its so strange how the show was obviously setting up Kutners character to be Anti-Suicide only to kill him off via Suicide. Like, I get it, the dude was moving on and you had to explain away his departure, but did you have to gut his character at the same time?

If your curious - they find the cause of his pain and fix it! - and he lives happily ever after

me too jeff me too

I lied. I wanna die. *Outro starts playing*

Fibromyalgia - the only thing I have found that does any sort of pain relief is infrared light therapy. I have gotten my life back.