Self-Diagnosis, Psychopathy, Narcissism, Ted Bundy | Recovery Mum Collaborate

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Dr. Todd Grande

Dr. Todd Grande

Күн бұрын

This video is a collaboration between RecoveryMum and Dr. Grande. We discuss several topics in this video including Self-Diagnosis, Borderline Personality Disorder, Psychopathy, How to spot a psychopath, Narcissism, Ted Bundy, and sexual deviance.
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General description of antisocial personality disorder, psychopathy, sociopathy:
ASPD is a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). It's a Cluster B personality disorder, so it's in the same cluster as narcissistic, borderline, and histrionic personality disorders. Antisocial personality disorder affects about 3% of the population, but depending on what literature you look at, it may affect up to 80% of the population in correctional settings. We see the definition of antisocial personality is broken to a few different criteria: a tendency to violate social norms (committing actions that could be grounds for arrest), deceitfulness, impulsivity, irritability or aggression, a disregard for the safety of others, irresponsibility, and a lack of remorse. In order for somebody diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder they must be at least 18 years of age. Conduct disorder symptoms must have been present before the age of 15, so just as is the case with all personality disorders, there is no such thing as late onset antisocial personality disorder. The antisocial behavior cannot occur exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Moving on to the construct of psychopathy, we see here that psychopathy is an area that's studied, it's not a mental disorder. Someone can't really be diagnosed as having psychopathy or not, in a technical sense. Psychopathy affects about 1% of the population. In forensic settings about 16 percent of males are affected and about 7 percent of females are affected. Psychopathy can be divided into two factors and each of those factors can be divided into two facets. Factor one alone is sometimes referred to as psychopathy. Factor 2 is sometimes referred to as sociopathy. With psychopathy we have two factors and a total of four facets. Factor one is interpersonal/affective and factor two is referred to as social deviance. With the interpersonal facet we see certain characteristics like superficial charm, grandiosity, pathological lying, and a tendency to be manipulative. With the affective facet, we see a lack of remorse and shallow effect, callousness, lack of empathy. and a failure to accept responsibility. Moving to factor two (sociopathy) we see need for stimulation, parasitic lifestyle, lack of realistic long-term goals, impulsivity, irresponsibility, poor behavioral controls, early behavioral problems, juvenile delinquency, a revocation of conditional release, and criminal versatility.

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@francesca3667
@francesca3667 5 жыл бұрын
Good points . My sons paediatrician thought I had postpartum depression & she sent me to a therapist. After 6 months of therapy they discovered I had a very serious medical condition called Hashimoto disease (hypothyroid problem) . That’s what was causing my depression & anxiety. The danger was that it was severe & I almost died from this. 4 clinicians missed it. Regardless of the error I’m just glad to be alive .
@alexandrak2731
@alexandrak2731 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry Franca I m glad you re feeling better 😘 A friend of mine 35 was sent back home as she had the beginning of a stroke , the doctor thought there was something wrong with her ears (balance) andnsent her back home ,she had a stroke that same evening and nearly died ,thankfully she s recovering now .
@LauraTeAhoWhite
@LauraTeAhoWhite 5 жыл бұрын
Identifying a problem is one thing, actually getting professional help is another. If people are self diagnosing and aren't receiving professional help, that's a problem.
@stevenevangelist5221
@stevenevangelist5221 2 жыл бұрын
Make sure your therapist is on the level.
@BlueTulipe
@BlueTulipe 5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree that self diagnosis can be dangerous. Diagnosing others is not great either, but... in the case where you've been abused by a parent, sometimes knowing what "might be", can be of great help to get over bad situations. I've had this experience, but I've talked with a specialist about it, where the parent might have this or that. It's definitely not a clear diagnosis, but in the case your parent, sibling or who ever doesn't want to see a professional, it really helps you understand why you were experiencing certain things. I know it helped me get out of the anger I had towards them.
@jenniferteeter7203
@jenniferteeter7203 2 жыл бұрын
Oko
@prufrockrocks79
@prufrockrocks79 5 жыл бұрын
I have diagnosed myself twice: once with a mental disorder and once with a physical illness, and both times the self-diagnoses were confirmed by a psychiatrist or a GP. I only consulted 'Dr Google' on those two occasions, so I've never convinced myself I had something I don't actually have. We're not all hypochondriacs and sometimes it can be helpful to do your own research - as long as you do it thoroughly. It's definitely not true that we always think we have the first thing we see, and I don't think that I influenced either of the medical practitioners. Both of them were very keen to discount my self-diagnoses until they had done their own checks.
@fearlesskitten2475
@fearlesskitten2475 5 жыл бұрын
I think there are a great number of people who do not have access to Mental Health professionals. Sometimes it because of where they live sometimes it's for financial reasons, they don't have insurance etc. They know something is 'off' with them. They know it and want a name for it. If there's a name for it than it's treatable. They are clinicians, therapists and Dr.s that quite frankly either aren't good at their job or they're burnt out. I've had issues since I was 4. It was only last year I actually got the correct diagnosis. I'm 57 and had been in the psych ward for a few weeks in my early 30s and even they didn't get it right. So yeah, we're not supposed to self diagnose but better proactive then waiting 55 years to get it right. (I don't diagnose others. I notice that there is a trend where everybody's ex is either a Narc or Borderline.)
@xivwords5448
@xivwords5448 5 жыл бұрын
Most men have narc traits and women borderline.
@juliemasterson1460
@juliemasterson1460 3 жыл бұрын
Narcissism isnt a clinical diagnosis, it descriptor for observable behavior patterns
@Toyon95
@Toyon95 5 жыл бұрын
About self diagnosing: I don't know exactly what you're talking about here: People that self diagnose out of necessity with the intention of seeing a professional when they can, and realizing that they could be wrong in their own self assessment /OR/ people that self diagnos, thinking that they are correct in their own assessment and maybe don't even seek professional help (And this second group include people that diagnose themselves as "healthy" when in fact they might be depressed etc.) Every coin has two sides. While I understand the dangers of self-diagnosing I also see dangers with NOT doing it. Let me explain: Like people in the first group I mentioned above; sometimes you have to google your symptoms, because no body else will "do it for you". We are conditioned to soldier through mental problems (especially working class people I think) so recognizing when something might be wrong is seen as "whining"/being weak. Googling symptoms can be the first step to accept "Yes, something is not right with me, but that's ok- I'm not alone" and then against the odds of your upbringing: you seek help. In fact, in my country Sweden, you will have a hard time getting any help unless you say "I think I might have depression" or whatever else you think you may have- And even then it can be hard because of not being taken seriously. Not one adult person recognized my sister's autism and adhd until she started looking up symptoms and seeking help on her own accords. Now she is diagnosed and I am so happy for her. So I personally believe self diagnosing is an unfortunate necessity for many people and isn't ALWAYS a bad thing.
@prufrockrocks79
@prufrockrocks79 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree with all of this. Well said.
@SusannaParviainen-lf4wo
@SusannaParviainen-lf4wo 26 күн бұрын
I agree. If self diagnosis gets someone in to see a clinician, for a real assessment , isn’t it useful?
@RaysDad
@RaysDad 5 жыл бұрын
I've been diagnosed with depression by 3 different doctors, one of whom was a mental health therapist. They all offered to prescribe me medication: I always declined. From my own library research I'm convinced I don't have clinical depression. I also know several people whom I judge to be at most a bit neurotic or over-extended who take prescribed anti-depressants daily. My conclusion is that diagnoses by doctors and mental health professionals are often inaccurate, perhaps not as inaccurate as self-diagnoses, but close. I have no doubt there is some motivation among clinicians to medicate for depression. As for non-professionals diagnosing others......That's almost always going to be self-serving ("You disagree with me because you're bi-polar!").
@stevenevangelist5221
@stevenevangelist5221 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the frequencies on youtube. Type in you ailment. Then listen to the frequency. You will be amazed.
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
I really love this discussion series and format. I think Recovery Mum is delightful and a great spokesperson for BPD. As someone with CPTSD from a myriad of traumas (to include "narcissistic abuse" from a psychopath/copious interpersonal trauma), I would love to see the same format with someone with the same condition who can also bring in the theme of narcissistic abuse. I know you discuss this a lot, but I think integrating this with a normal person who has experienced this who isn't already out there grandstanding on KZfaq would provide an enormous amount of value to the community. I believe this is also helpful to some practitioners because most "targets" or victims see psychopaths (and narcissists) in a different light than a clinical setting. I've spoken to many pracitioners who are very interested in hearing about my personal experiences because it's not something that I understand many clinicians would ever see. I really like Jackson McKenzie who wrote Psychopath Free. I would also love to hear your thoughts as a clinician on this and if you haven't read it, I really urge you to do so because I think it is one of the most helpful published resources out there for the narcissistically abused. I've seen a few interviews with Jackson, but he doesn't really have a soapbox or an agenda. Although he clearly has had an experience that others can relate to so I hope the clinical comunity can learn from him, and you might be able to engage him to offer more value for people like us! You've been doing some great things with the channel, so please keep it up!
@kellimischke7664
@kellimischke7664 5 жыл бұрын
I have been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, panic disorder with agoraphobia, PTSD, BPD, SPD, APD, and dissociative disorder not otherwise specified and I wake up everyday wanting to just be normal. I have lost jobs, been kicked out of schools and lost pretty much everyone that I ever cared about, so if you are out there looking to identify yourself as special with a diagnosis, reexamine and find some other way to be special because this way is not fun!
@aquamarinedream8304
@aquamarinedream8304 5 жыл бұрын
Having unqualified people attempt to diagnose you is always an unpleasant experience. -_-
@fluxpistol3608
@fluxpistol3608 5 жыл бұрын
I think its like trying to find a black cat in a black room, presuming that there is a black cat. Yet it really depends on whether the individual is confident with critical thinking, falsificationism, logic, being objective, being able to validate their memories with viable evidence, being epistemologically sound, being deductive instead of inductive though they may start off inductively reasoning, yet always trying to prove themselves wrong which can feel rather self defeating and almost masochistic to the extent that one may have to find a way to embrace painful memories. Stoicism certainly helps. I think if someone can’t deductively complete a logic grid puzzle they probably can’t self diagnose as they would more likely talk themselves into thinking they have something they don’t, only because they would unknowingly start abstracting the world through a confirmation bia lens & infer things they would conceive as sound reasoning which is not, and yet seems true. I self diagnosed but not really because I did it with the aid of a psychologist & we both kept our results to ourselves for a year until we compared notes. Was an interesting experiment & experience. Also read a lot along the way and kept many many notes and voice notes. Being a detective of my own life. I am great with logic puzzles & deductive reasoning & I got super close, well within the ballpark & still was blind sighted by the disorder itself. I’d say it’s much like René Magritte’s ‘Son of man’ painting where the man in the bowler cap can’t quite see past the Apple, the apple representing his ego. Its was hard to see the apple in my eye let alone what the apple was blocking. It’s was a worthy exercise though. Because I can be sure we hit the nail on the head. Was lucky to have a great psych that allowed me to do this. And I think he enjoyed the novelty of the process & letting me find my way as any person can only really infer another persons mind. Was a matter of team work. A lot of hard work to be sure. Never had a greater sense of clarity though. Granted he has also stated that he doesn’t think many of his clients could achieve what I’ve managed to however I can only speak for myself. I came to this phrase “belief is the sandpit we play in until we gain knowledge, some will only ever believe, few will spend enough time to know the nature of the sandpit itself.” Great video ideas Doc. Keep them coming!
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is so interesting! What a wonderful experiment. Your Dr sounds amazing! Xxx
@fluxpistol3608
@fluxpistol3608 5 жыл бұрын
Recovery Mum yes he is an absolute legend
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
@@fluxpistol3608 he sounds it! Xxx
@ayhaynina3034
@ayhaynina3034 5 жыл бұрын
I was abused both physically and verbally by my mom, I got depressed and I was thinking about suicide a lot. I didn't even know that I got depression at that time. I told some people that my mom abuse me but they didn't believe me because my mom looks nice and shy. I tried to talk to my mom about her abusing me but she got defensive and said that her parent (my grandpa) is worse than her. Then I started to read books about psychology a lot just to help my self. It was hard. It was hard to accept reality that I can't have a loving family, that my childhood and my heart is shattered to pieces, that it change my perception of life and people. The hardest time is to let go of all my wish having a loving family, my wish that my mom would change one day and be better person for me and for herself. I cried and cried a lot. Now as an adult living by myself I still don't understand things like friendship, what is the do and don't, but I feel good, I feel OK about my self, I am ready to move forward, but whenever I go to visit my mom I got defensive and I can't stand her and then leave immediately. Sometimes I try PD test and the result is that I got paranoid, narsistic and avoidant disorder. Weirdly I feel good about myself and I feel like I got little problem about my life. Yes I don't get many friends but the friends I got are real friend for me. They know what I've been through and they understand me and help me sincerely.
@Anastashya
@Anastashya 5 жыл бұрын
About Ted Bundy, I just finished The Netflix documentary on him, and right from the get go he never struck me as normal, and certainly not fascinating or even remotely sweet. All I picked up was a consummate actor. He was always acting, but if caught off guard I often felt he was empty; devoid of any emotion or even any personality. If anything, it was as if there was an extreme sadness where he’d felt as if he was never loved. I didn’t pick up on any diagnosis; I’m sure not qualified! But sadistic - definitely! It’s kind of amusing because anyone who comes across as overtly sweet tends to set off my red flags, and I’m unsure why, but no way would I have assisted Bundy. As for self diagnosis .... ugh, been there tried that and failed. All my disorders I found on google were wrong! I totally missed PTSD and even after being told I had it, I still struggled to accept it for almost a year. Mind you, it 'may' be the reason Ted Bundy does not entrance me. Sometimes we learn lessons in life the hard way. Thank you Dr Grande for a great video collaboration!
@seattlerain8807
@seattlerain8807 5 жыл бұрын
That was a great video ! Thank you both so much for taking the time to make this video to help.
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you my lovely! Xxx
@DavesArtRoom
@DavesArtRoom 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Doctor and lay person alike, looking at things objectively for what they are at a neutral view is the way avoid reckless behavior.
@yourenough3
@yourenough3 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks Dr. G and beautiful mum. Like watching you two together. Have a great week. Look forward to seeing more videos 😁❤👍
@TheCraZ1eS
@TheCraZ1eS 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you both for making these collaborative videos! Such a smooth conversation, with interesting questions and answer from both of your perspectives. Please keep making these! (Also loving the blue planet)
@zsuzsannamolnar1329
@zsuzsannamolnar1329 5 жыл бұрын
I am diagnosed chronic-PTSD, BPD, GAD, the lady said no depression for sure, she said the depression I have is because of BPD. I was “diagnosed” by a guy who I was supposed to meet for the first date and he cancelled on me( he is a atterney so I guess he met many many people and probably aware of disorders), I leashed out on him with a very ugly message so he texted me back; “you are emotionally unstable and hope you will find a stable person who will deal with you”.....I was in rage for half an hour and after I calmed down I googled it, I’m from Europe so I wasn’t really aware of mental health issues or diagnoses, and BPD came up first....I cried in sadness and being so lost and in happiness at the same time( there is a name for why my life hadn’t work out for 28 years?!)....here I’m after 3 years I’m diagnosed with all those things and on wait list for DBT....I’m thankful I am still here and not somewhere else and now I can watch You Guys in the meantime and You give me all the hope that I can recover and can’t wait for DBT.....Love you Both of You loads!!! ❤️💞
@PomegranateStaindGrn
@PomegranateStaindGrn 5 жыл бұрын
Addiction is an undesirable self-diagnosis because it points to the need to do something about it. Fortunately, the only substance I’m addicted to is tobacco/nicotine. Personality disorders (for many people) are good excuses for bad behavior. "I can’t help it, I have _________ personality disorder" Why people would *want* to diagnose themselves with BPD if, it were untrue, is mind-boggling to me. We with BPD are hated beyond any other disorder - regardless of our work on ourselves. I see far more people diagnosing others as narcissists, psychopaths/sociopaths, and with BPD - often conflating them despite the vast differences. I think this diagnosing of others is what leads to the wholesale hatred of us with BPD...because they’re not accurate diagnoses and the differences between it and the other disorders is not understood. Those dx are seldom applied in an effort to help anyone but the person giving the unqualified dx. It absolves the person who gives the dx of any wrong-doing.
@usmale9112001
@usmale9112001 5 жыл бұрын
Love your hair color mum!❤️
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
Aww! Thank you my lovely xxx
@mr.t658
@mr.t658 3 ай бұрын
shes not your mom
@amalie.eugenie
@amalie.eugenie 3 жыл бұрын
About the self-diagnosis: Maybe some people also like to use disorders as an excuse for their behaviours to feel better about themselves. That might also explain why some disorders get self-diagnosed a lot more than others. For example if someone said about themselves they had major depressiv disorder, they might feel better about their lack of energy to do stuff, because they say "well I have depression. That's just how it is. There's nothing I can do about it. It's not my fault." or same thing for borderline and anger outbursts. While when someone realised they are an alcoholic they could not just say "well I'm an alcoholic, so it's ok for me to drink. That's just how it is. There's nothing I can do about it.", but they would actually have to stop drinking and put a lot of work into recovery. What do you think?
@DanaiTheSlowestExile
@DanaiTheSlowestExile 5 жыл бұрын
Self-diagnosis is such a big issue. I m a vet and know nothing about mental health issues but I m experiencing every day pet owner coming in my clinic with Google diagnosis on their pets and they are very disappointed when they realize they totally missed it, a small part of them are in denial of final diagnosis. I think that sometimes as scientists we fail to communicate the trust to scientific proof to our patients and the fact that a diagnosis isn't gonna always be easy and fast. I like your videos dr.Grande cause they helping me get a bit of knowledge of mental issues I m completely unfamiliar with.
@bloodypommelstudios7144
@bloodypommelstudios7144 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think self-diagnosis is always a bad thing? If someone is reasonably intelligent, they carefully read the diagnostic criteria, pay attention when it says things like "symptoms must have persisted since early childhood" etc, watched hours of videos on the topic and other people who have known them a long time agree that they've always had the symptoms etc. It seems to me that this is very different to someone saying "I'm impulsive and have had relationship problems, I must have BPD.
@lnc-to4ku
@lnc-to4ku 3 жыл бұрын
Great discussion! I thought it was very interesting how you said that Ted Bundy had short term charm, but most people who spent more time with him, knew there was something off.
@alexandrak2731
@alexandrak2731 5 жыл бұрын
If it doesn’t interfere with your daily life it’s normal . If I test myself I would come out as everything . We all have a multitude of traits ,if you re a vain selfish person doesn’t make you a narcissist,it just means you have narcissistic traits which will fizzle out as you age and lose your looks. Being cold from time to time doesn’t make you a psychopath. Having anxiety for a few days doesn’t grant an anxiety disorder and so forth
@sofiedouglas757
@sofiedouglas757 2 жыл бұрын
Again I am glad to find this discussion. Great fun!
@step2058
@step2058 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos Dr Grande keep it up!
@MyDuckSaysFucc
@MyDuckSaysFucc 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a long and complicated health journey, and during a time I was trying to self diagnose/find a better diagnosis. I’ve had a diagnosis of fibromyalgia for 7 years. I always felt that this wasn’t very helpful since there is virtually no real info about what, why, and no effective way to treat this. I felt it meant my suffering wasn’t real, wasn’t serious. When in fact this diagnosis is a very serious and bad one, it means you will continuously suffer for the rest of your life. There are things that help but I am still living a third of the life a normal person would. I used to try to find a better reason for my pain, hence the self diagnosing. I did find info that helped. But overall it all lead back to fibro.
@mzliberty7647
@mzliberty7647 Жыл бұрын
nice lighthearted vid.. despite the sometimes 'heavy' subject matter..... lovely young lady from the UK as well, well done Dr Grande.. x
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
There is one thing I really didn't like about this presentation - and it's not your fault Dr. Grande. This provided the impression (at least to me) that certain disorders (including BPD) could be overdiagnosed or are at least so out there in the public consciousness, and that there isn't an issue of underdiagnoses or misdiagnosis. I have a number of family members with BPD who have been given improper diagnoses and it's a huge problem not just for the BPD sufferer, but the whole family. I guess its a little ax I have to grind. I know a lot of BPD persons get diagnosed and treated for Bipolar Disorder. I've seen this happen in my personal experience, and the results have been devistating. It's not funny to play around with diagnoses for those who are both suffering and those who suffer along with them.
@DrGrande
@DrGrande 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent point - a misdiagnosis of any type can be destructive -
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
Or nondiagnosis. Not sure which one is worse!
@ostevoostevo8989
@ostevoostevo8989 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video. Please do more collaborations with Recovery Mum and other interesting people.
@Geshtafshnifka
@Geshtafshnifka 5 жыл бұрын
Recovery Mum's hair is so pretty.🤗🤗🤗
@NavM23
@NavM23 3 ай бұрын
Love the collaborations
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 жыл бұрын
Part of what might be going on with teenagers self diagnosis is that as part of their normal development, they're experiencing new emotions, they're in romantic relationships for the first time, and everything feels very intense. They feel like maybe something's wrong with them, they don't know, they don't really have the context for what's normal experience and what isn't. If they then read the diagnostic criteria for disorders which are intended to only be diagnosed in adults, and they may see some things that they resonate with, like the pattern of unstable relationships or frantic efforts to avoid abandonment with BPD. The teenager had a breakup recently. Their emotions and behaviour may be within the normal range for children their age, but they don't have the context to judge that. Their emotions and behaviour probably are outside the normal range for adults, which makes sense because they're not an adult yet. If you try to apply the adult diagnostic criteria to children, you will probably find something "wrong" even if the children are developmentally normal and healthy for their age. You'll get even more error if the person trying to apply those diagnostic criteria is a) not a clinician, and b) a teenager who doesn't have enough context to know what's normal at different stages of life.
@chrishealey8713
@chrishealey8713 5 жыл бұрын
The Ted with knives thing was also in Anne Rule's book I believe as well.
@alexandrak2731
@alexandrak2731 5 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine (and my dad) are hypochondriacs .its quite amusing hearing them self diagnosing with strokes and other severe health issues
@Angel-iw4ef
@Angel-iw4ef 5 жыл бұрын
Some doctors must go to therapy themselves and stop pretending to be a doctor. Cluster B here :) When people are abused by the person who must help them, they will prefer to research and self diagnose.
@jennifersmith7302
@jennifersmith7302 5 жыл бұрын
@Ange Lom lol but then again, seriously, you make a good point
@fezprezly6955
@fezprezly6955 5 жыл бұрын
I was in mental health institutions and jail and eventually prison and was even discharged from a dual diagnosis Treatment Center because I was unable to be medicated for what they thought was ADD with attachment issues. When I stumbled into PTSD symptom reacherch ....I had profound and prolonged childhood trauma . I am just greatful to have a language to continue my what will be a lifelong struggle. U have not had the opportunity to get diagnosed and I may or may not .my life is manageable chaos tight now but I'm 46 and have stayed nonviolent and stuck up for the little guys but if you lived with udiagnosedBPD with a touch of insecure narcissism dang well know it! I'm not at all impressed but it's Allie ever k own I'm just glad um not the colloidal idiot I Alwayse figured I was...thanks for your efforts to bring information to sufferers and those who love or want to love them I wish I didden and could just be chill and not feel like the Hulk but at least I don't smash ... JSN
@beckycadman9076
@beckycadman9076 4 жыл бұрын
I just found this, I think after asking you if you had already done a video on self diagnosis. I run several online groups for personality disorders (of all types) and specifically ASPD. I would say that 80% self diagnose themselves, when I ask them about their history, past behaviour and how pervasive these traits have been, often I find they are just normal characteristics we naturally go through in life. And that the pattern isn't consistent over time. Online tests for PDs seem especially popular for self diagnosis and yes Google does not help. I also ask them about how they function, their interpersonal relationships, employment etc. Frequently they are functioning very well.However the strangest thing is why anyone would want to be psychopathic or ASPD . I've noticed many people with depression or anxiety issues try to suppress their emotions and become the complete opposite, they often arrive in my groups saying they are psychopathic or ASPD, in their eyes psychopaths feel nothing, and they somewhat idolise those facets . I realise many say self diagnosis is necessary because they can't find a professional, my opinion is that a diagnosis has one purpose, which treatment should a person receive . What is the purpose of self diagnosis if they can't seek treatment or see a professional of any sort. Labelling culture is defiantly spiralling (it's especially prevalent on social media in respect to Cluster Bs and Bipolar Disorder ) but subjectivity is one of the most dangerous elements of a diagnosis , objectivity is vital . Ideally a diagnosis will lead to a form of treatment that may be effective, and I find that people often deny that element of a "label" , perhaps because they may not like the objectivity of a professional . I've been running groups for 5yrs for PDs, and it never ceases to amaze me on why a person would want such a diagnosis. I have two relatively severe conditions and that has hugely effected my capacity to function in life, so for me, actually wanting something like that is perplexing. Thank you for this video . I shall be posting it in the groups I run, and hopefully one day this aparant labelling necessity will reduce .
@michaelvlog5612
@michaelvlog5612 3 жыл бұрын
im kind of self diagnosing myself too to deny the real problem.
@ck2d
@ck2d 5 жыл бұрын
The problem with people doing self diagnosing is an absolute inability to have the perspective to see the degree of severity. People think an annoyance is a disability, and they completely ignore major symptoms that they happen to enjoy for whatever reason. If you pick and choose your symptoms or blow them out of proportion you won't get the correct answer. People want to claim PD's because they are permanent, so they feel like they don't have to do any work or make changes in their life. It shifts them from being lazy to being a victim. It's such a waste of time - do some work, make your life better, or suffer needlessly just so you can give yourself a victim label.
@fenzirulfr
@fenzirulfr 3 жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with PTSD, OCD, MDD, Generalized Anxiety Disorder for 6 years and now I have been diagnosed with BPD and all the puzzle pieces feel like they fit.
@serendipitous_synchronicity
@serendipitous_synchronicity 5 жыл бұрын
Great video guys 😀
@stevenevangelist5221
@stevenevangelist5221 2 жыл бұрын
Let us know about payment shock. Bills, car payment, etc. Even though your making it. TYVM answering our questions helping us. Your excellent.
@raptorexo5029
@raptorexo5029 5 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Rober D. Hare Checklist for Psychopathy and what if a Person Shows every single symptom on that checklist ? Because I self diagnosed as a Psychopath and so did the Hare Test. It was a self online Test though. But I plan do do one again with a Psychiatrist.
@rustycage7491
@rustycage7491 5 жыл бұрын
Can you please make a video , explaining the similarities and differentiating between Autism (aspergers) and psychopathy.
@strongdan1
@strongdan1 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Todd the big
@NTraveller
@NTraveller 5 жыл бұрын
Is there doctors' error statistics somewhere? I'd like to see it in one of your videos, Dr. Grande )
@NTraveller
@NTraveller 5 жыл бұрын
@Ange Lom by doctors I mean psychotherapists. And in this case, some doctors are already dead by the hands of their errors )
@sad_doggo2504
@sad_doggo2504 3 жыл бұрын
I have struggled with self-diagnosis and diagnosing others, maybe because of my interest in psychological disorders. I'm making a commitment not to do that anymore. Even some of the more bizarre stuff I experience, I've decided to explore it through an artistic and cultural lens rather than slapping a medical label on it, which with my psychiatrist's help I think I've finally been able to accept that I'm not qualified to do.
@malefeministgiangilo287
@malefeministgiangilo287 5 жыл бұрын
I've no idea what the criteria for any of the disorders are to be honest. You would think in your consciousness, there would be a small group of very prevalent overt traits, for your imagination to bounce off. But I don't know what any of them are... Depression I get. Bipolar hazy... Personality disorders, not the first clue.
@Coelacanthimorpha
@Coelacanthimorpha 5 жыл бұрын
It´s not that hard to hide sadism, if you have some level of impulse control. Especially if you do have some kind of outlet for it otherwise, criminal or consensual, you can postpone the urge to later and it helps you to keep calm in a moment that might trigger you. As far as I have understood the current research on sadism, it´s not really clear where it comes from but at least some part of it is supposed to be innate. However, the way that sadism manifests is very dependent on the upbringing / family relationships / trauma & abuse. So a sadist from a healthy background will most likely search for consensual ways to fulfill their needs, while a sadistic person raised in an unstable, abusive family has a much higher likelihood of becoming a criminal or to seek consent but then violate it.
@Sophie-db1ko
@Sophie-db1ko 5 жыл бұрын
Hi dr Grande! Ok i have a weird question. Do you know about the mechanics of narcissists using bdsm as a mean to get narcissitic fuel?
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
Are you asking whether narcissists utilize BDSM as a means of obtaining supply fuel? E.g. through domination?
@aquamarinedream8304
@aquamarinedream8304 5 жыл бұрын
KZfaq channel Evie Lupine would likely be of use to you. It's mostly BDSM education.
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
@@aquamarinedream8304 ok, but that doesn't clarify the question, or at least answer it....
@aquamarinedream8304
@aquamarinedream8304 5 жыл бұрын
@@misse7154 I think it is obvious that some people involved in BDSM can behave in predatory ways. If she is interested in protecting herself or learning about healthy/not healthy dynamics the above channel could be of use. I can not tell her exactly how a narcissist functions in an abusive sexual relationship that they try to write off as BDSM. Thus I'm hoping Dr. Grande fulfills her request. I know of only one narcissist who claims to be a dominant, but his everyday interactions show that he does not value boundaries or consent. I would imagine that whatever "bdsm" he is engaging in is abusive in nature. For example, there are messages floating around of him trying to shame and manipulate people into doing things that they state they are not interested in doing. This lack of consent from the get go means this is not bdsm as it is not consensual, it is coercive and thus abusive.
@misse7154
@misse7154 5 жыл бұрын
@@aquamarinedream8304 I have no idea if its a problem in the BDSM community. I'm not about to project my own beliefs on what consenting adults want to do. If I understand correctly, a central tenent in the community is consent. If that is not respected, that is a problem. But if that's not the issue, I'm having a hard time trying to ascertain what you're trying to suggest.
@alishalawrence5976
@alishalawrence5976 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have a diagnosis but I do think I have schizoid personality disorder. I have all the symptoms and have ex friends/ partners complain about me having traits that align with the disorder (before I knew about and thought I had the disorder). That being said, nobody ive said this too seems to have heard of the disorder so that might explain the lack of self diagnosis. Plus in my experience, it doesn't cause any internal distress beyond the vague awareness that your not very good/interested in the social connections everyone else is. But I'm ok with that so I don't really see the need to go and get it formally diagnosed. I think the only time I would bother with that is if I actually met someone that I was interested in enough to want to try and be close too. Otherwise, I consider it a non-issue.
@kungfujoe2136
@kungfujoe2136 5 жыл бұрын
my diagnosis is felling pritty good about being prity bad
@xivwords5448
@xivwords5448 5 жыл бұрын
I have pure o ocd anxiety an empath.sometimes I think I have everything
@fishstix1900
@fishstix1900 5 жыл бұрын
Recovery mum is adorable
@caller145
@caller145 5 жыл бұрын
My mom "diagnosed" me with narcissim. That was one of the most hurtful things she's ever said to me. I don't know if I had that but I believe not. Yeah I'm not a pushover but I don't think that's what it means
@lory6605
@lory6605 3 жыл бұрын
I want to hear/see more stuff about Ted Bundy. The stuff that other people who knew him and did see that something was off. Does anyone know where I can find this?
@pikkallo6013
@pikkallo6013 5 жыл бұрын
Everyones a doctor these days
@LushQueenPersonal
@LushQueenPersonal 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason behind why you speak of antisocial personality disorder according to the DSM-IV rather than the DSM-V? Curious because I enjoy your videos and the DSM-V doesn't mention the age component and I'm looking for clarification if one is more correct, and why. Thanks!
@Matheus16905
@Matheus16905 3 жыл бұрын
By Google, I have AvPD and vulnerable narcissism.
@chuck4747
@chuck4747 2 жыл бұрын
i think sometimes people do want the disorder but depending on the disorder and the parameters and the knowledge of possible alternatives you dont really fit criteria because you want to... i def dont think you disregaurd something when you kinda follow the book close enough but you notice when you do that you loose any sort of control of freedome of what you want it to say like you cant just change your mind in moument ... i guess you could but thats not really acurate ... i tent to run through the tests and feel i can only really do myself but my 2 finding i have ever done are backed my doctor so i going the book does kinda work if you do exactly
@neenaj365
@neenaj365 Жыл бұрын
Self diagnosis, or a robust suspicion of an illness or condition can be valid. I can confirm this. I was almost dismissed not once, but twice as not having breast cancer, when I did. The only reason I’m alive today is my insistence on further investigation. Don’t under-estimate people. People may not just do a perfunctory Google search. They may relate to family members, friends, associates and do deep research into peer reviewed articles.
@sofiedouglas757
@sofiedouglas757 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely would l e to do your Patron ! I have the most sweet jazz party There are lots of very delicate people here that I was not aware of before .I hope I did not offend one !Also I am so keen to do Recovery Mums training Sherrenas I will google soon.
@sofiedouglas757
@sofiedouglas757 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry regarding spell mistake I am getting much better thanks to your help !
@lanalytch
@lanalytch 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think when people and celebrates self diagnose or influence the diagnosis by listing symptoms are always doing it because type 2 disorders are more relatable or dramatic. Sure some might be, but as you said, when googling symptoms you tend to find what you're already expecting. And this will result in most people identifying with the more common and well known personality disorders. The others you mentioned are far less talked about and most people aren't even aware they exist. So it would take a lot more research to even come across them.
@AarmOZ84
@AarmOZ84 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, BPD is not a boring disorder. And that is why it SUCKS so bad!
@anabandana666
@anabandana666 Жыл бұрын
This is a good one I'm working on BPD traits so hard this year it feels like holding a pipe bomb in a soda can
@kungfujoe2136
@kungfujoe2136 5 жыл бұрын
i bet if you selfdiagnose as borderline and/or depression you have more than 50% chanse of getting that diagnosis
@andreasleonlandgren3092
@andreasleonlandgren3092 5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention all the so called professional that diagnosed me wrong!
@freyashipley6556
@freyashipley6556 5 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of the power-control categorization -- how interesting. Is it possible to know what the actual subjective experience of violence is like for someone like TB? Watching the documentary, I kept thinking, "Yes, but *why*? What exactly did he get out of doing those things?" From what you're saying about sadism, it sounds like he found it sexy. But at the same time, he was so enraged -- was he feeling a relieving outburst of anger? Or maybe both? (And where did the rage come from?)
@chrishealey8713
@chrishealey8713 5 жыл бұрын
Well, Ted liked to talk about how he was exposed at a young age to pornography and that he was affected by it. But, most likely, what really happened is that he had a genetic predisposition toward being callous and unempathetic and was beaten as a young child. Those two things combined with the issues he apparently had in school mixed with him being rejected by a couple of women as a grown man probably really drove his rage and hatred. I once had a conversation with Jim Clemente (former FBI profiler) about his thoughts on Ted Bundy. He said he looks at it like a gun....the genetics loaded the gun, the trauma cocked the hammer and the rejection he experienced from the two women pulled the trigger.
@riannonsonsa6395
@riannonsonsa6395 2 жыл бұрын
For certain people dominating others & violence itself can be sexually arousing. That can include sexual arousal while having feelings of rage and hate...even if it`s towards a person they don`t even think of sexually attractive or whatever. Just the act of violence and releasing all the rage is arousing. The connection between aggression/rage/dominating and sexual arousal is quite common in the animal kingdom. E.g. male dogs getting a boner during a fight for dominance/rank with another male. They don`t want to literally screw the other male dog, it`s just the act of dominance that arouses them.
@bartekbo9648
@bartekbo9648 5 жыл бұрын
dr Grande Netflix is not enough to understand Bundy
@sofiedouglas757
@sofiedouglas757 2 жыл бұрын
I have up all. Night Wonderful!!
@alanalbin7432
@alanalbin7432 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I've got a yellow beak, white feathers, waddle when I walk, and quack. What am I? (Hint: You don't need to be Walt Disney to answer this question.)
@factsuncensored8168
@factsuncensored8168 5 жыл бұрын
Well if you tick every box why cant a person self diagnose?
@DwiteTheSpriteKnight
@DwiteTheSpriteKnight 5 жыл бұрын
Some of the people who self diagnose are very vocal about it and to be honest quite annoying because they give themselves so many labels in their search for sympathy. This can be belittling for those who really have the condition because it's downplaying their suffering. The people I have in mind aren't merely lacking the diagnostic expertise of a professional and too close to their difficulties, they don't even know the traits of the condition they believe they have. When you discover this they complain about the psychiatric profession monopolizing the criteria, as if their definition is as good as any. They have no objectivity at all. I know that there are others who are wise enough to merely suspect they have a particular condition and are willing to do what is necessary to confirm or rule this out.
@xivwords5448
@xivwords5448 5 жыл бұрын
Angelina jolie
@factsuncensored8168
@factsuncensored8168 5 жыл бұрын
No normal people are not similar to cluster b's
@LuxMeow
@LuxMeow 4 жыл бұрын
Are you saying therapist's diagnosis can be trusted from their limited insight, get real. Put 4 therapists in a room with the same person and you'll end up with a different diagnosis. They only see what they want to see through their own lens and how they interpret your traits from the handbook for the mentally ill. What a joke. I get that some people are not self aware but for those of us who are, we know ourselves better then someone trying to studying and observe us in the course of 30-40 min IF that. People get it wrong ALL the time and by people I mean mental health professionals. I've had ridiculous diagnosis suggested ONLY due to knowing I had trouble sleeping at around 20 yrs old. Turned out I had an auto immune illness. Sometimes I wonder if most people have a clue of what they're talking about. I've only met a handful of people who seem to. Otherwise most people are not that perceptive as they think. Things are not always as they seem. Stress, life events and even being around a communal narcissist can make a person reaching out for help be the one to end up with a diagnosis, meanwhile they're being traumatized on a regular basis and according to the situation their state is actually quite normal given the circumstances. Often the victims end up with a diagnosis rather than the perpetrator. Though no one's aloud to use the word victim anymore cause it's not empowering even if it's accurate. Therapy derives from a group of people who were sadistic and also mentally ill and here they are handing out diagnosis to victims of their kind.
@kungfujoe2136
@kungfujoe2136 5 жыл бұрын
i've bin diagnosed by others as narcistic than i made them laugh with the line "the only thing bigger than my ego is my penis"
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@kungfujoe2136
@kungfujoe2136 5 жыл бұрын
@@RecoveryMum and this is why borderlines love badboys
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
@@kungfujoe2136 mmmmn 🤔
@dolfmarx3642
@dolfmarx3642 5 жыл бұрын
she is very geil
@annamaria1929
@annamaria1929 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I can’t finish watching this video Dr Grande. This woman’s’ input is pointless!
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry you feel that way my lovely xxx
@RecoveryMum
@RecoveryMum 5 жыл бұрын
@Satou Thank you hunni! Big hugs xxx
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