The current 36mm 2021 Rolex Explorer is near perfect. But even our love to our favorite pieces can come to an end. Here some of my thoughts on the subject of selling most beloved watches.
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@u.bender88296 ай бұрын
Don't let the watch own you. IF the thought of having to pay an unreasonable amount of money for a possible service is bothering you ... then better sell it. A watch should give out good vibes. IF the watch gives anxiety, then it probably means it does not fit into one's life.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That's an excellent point. We should not be defined by our watches but we are what we are and either bind with the watches or the love grows cold and then it's the moment to part away. I'm going to give the watch more time. I'm not wearing it and by the summer I might have a better own understanding on what to do but right now there are more chances to let the watch go and find a better fit with somebody else who can appreciate and use it the way it should be used.
@the_shadow_realm51106 ай бұрын
Great video. This is why Seiko is so great. My advice is this: Put the Explorer away in a safe place for at least 3 months. Wear your other watches. See if you miss the Explorer. You may decide to keep it for special occasions. Or you may enjoy your other watches and not miss the Explorer at all. But don’t sell just yet.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm kind of doing that somehow so I will see.
@heathwoodruff69756 ай бұрын
I've followed you for a while. Enough that i feel comfortable giving you my opinion. I also bought mine around the same time you did. I sold mine because of finances. I immediately regretted it. So much so that i paid an 800 dollar premium to the dealer i sold it to to get that exact watch back. I think you will regret it. You buy rolex so it will outlast you. It is rare that if you hit your watch on anything, there will be no issues. It is made to withstand falls. Your initial issue with the watch was lubricant. Your brother in law even said knocking it and huring the inside was almost impossible. don't sell it. BUT, if you have made up your mind, then do it my friend. I use mine for adventuring. It is made to withstand.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Thanks for you words. I do really have to think the whole thing over as this is a very important, while first world problem, issue. One minute I want to keep it, the other I want to sell it. I'm having it hidden right now but the moment I see that dial, my heart bumps. I will see it it can fit a true usable role in the coming months but if it doesn't it will need to go.
@heathwoodruff69756 ай бұрын
@@TheWatchFrame it is first world, but a problem nonetheless. I know the struggle and sympathize with you. I'm 35. I plan on servicing this thing only 3 times. 45, 55, 65 and probably won't care about accuracy after 75. lol. Also, mine ran fast a few times and ended up being magnetized. I bought a demagnetized off Amazon for 20 bucks and it fixed it
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Thanks @@heathwoodruff6975 . At the end of the day is not that much about the servicing but the whole fact of owning very expensive watches and the realization of kind of being worried while wearing it.
@matspersson51886 ай бұрын
I bought a Rolex explorer 2 new over 30 years ago and I have had it serviced like two times. Used and abused it. It’s bullshit to service a watch every couple of years like some say. A watch like that is supposed to take a normal living. If one is too scared to use it because of eventual damage, buy a cheap watch. That’s my humble opinion.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Hi @@matspersson5188 , you are right about the servicing periods. Most of the watchmakers I've been talking to say that if the watch runs reasonably well, don't service, but do once it starts to run weird. On the other hand for me, at least, one thing is the servicing cost and other the realization that this particular model wasn't really designed with true romantic exploring in mind. That's all. Older models, specially the Explorer II I do believe were designed more like true adventure tool watches. The 16570 is, actually, one of my favorites. Beautiful watch. I have other more affordable watches to use in the mountain and when traveling. The problem is, where do I use this Explorer then? I mean, that is totally subjective. I struggle to find the moment or place to use the Explorer specially being an Explorer. Not sure if I explain myself :)
@deanc74766 ай бұрын
I have owned very expensive watches, cheap watches, and those in between. I can tell you that I’ve never found more pleasure than putting one on that I didn’t have to worry about as I go about doing what I love to do in the great outdoors or wherever. There are plenty of watches out there that look great that can take a beating. While the Explorer is an elegantly beautiful timepiece, what’s the point in owning one if you worry about it as you wear it engaging in your favorite activity? It seems ill-fitting to important aspects of your lifestyle. Perhaps it’s best not to tether yourself to something you have to admire like the Mona Lisa in a museum.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
You are right. It's not that the watch cannot have a place and purpose but that for me it's not the right watch to really have and enjoy at this moment. This might change but doesn't seem to.
@sebstall10 күн бұрын
Hi Mario. I can fully relate to this, and from my own experience, can see exactly where you’re coming from. I really do hope you manage to hold on to it though, and use it as your daily. From your videos I can see how much it means to you and how much you appreciate the design of the explorer. I know opinion is not important, but I’d say take it to the mountains, swimming and other adventures like you have been and continue to make memories. In a world where everything these days seems to be disposable or upgradable, mechanical watches are one of the last things that we own that can last a lifetime with servicing. One day in many years to come, I’m sure you’ll hold your explorer and link all of all the good memories to it… as we know, nothing in life is perfect, even the certified -2 +2 seconds isn’t perfect… so what’s an extra second or 2 my friend. Enjoy it for what it is. Thank you for the superb videos, by far my favourite and most relatable vids and most of the explorer I’ve found. All the best
@TheWatchFrame9 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot @sebstall for your words. As a matter of fact, I've pretty much decided to keep it unless I need the money should things not straighten up soon. As you suggest, I've been wearing through the summer to many places, including mountains, exploring and travelling. It's really a greater watch than I expected, despite its shortcomings. There's kind of a magic in this watch that I can't really point the finger on. This said, I will make a video about it.
@AndrewIsbell6 ай бұрын
"The Explorer is the Range Rover of watches", that's an insightful comparison. I split the difference between your two watches with an Omega 2504.50. Unlike the newer models this Omega has all brushed links (no polished center link), and is not too thick like the newer models. I snagged one for $2k. I love it.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Exactly. Some new watches are luxury homages to the older first versions and that is all right and well. I'm kind of a tool watch nerd I guess.
@IoanMihali3 ай бұрын
Very well structured video with a sad but true conclusion. Like you, I was reflecting for a while at the true cost of long term owning of luxury timepieces. Although I agree with what you say here, think about it this way... if you take care of your Rolex you may need to service it once every 10 years (maybe even longer). The cost of service is like you said roughly 800 EUR. This is the price of a Garmin or an Apple Watch. But the lifespan of these smartwatches are how much? 4-6 years maximum. Their batteries will die eventually and their software will not receive upgrades. So in the end, although owning a luxury timepiece requires an initial financial effort, on long term the price its not higher than owning a smartwatch. (P.S. I have both mechanical timepieces and a smartwatch) :)
@TheWatchFrame3 ай бұрын
Yes, what you say is true. Actually the servicing cost is just one concern, and as you say, it's minimal considering the long servicing intervals of the watch. Actually a "normal" watch can get to be even more expensive is you need to do a couple of services instead of the one with the Rolex. At the end of the day there are other issues I find more relevant for a potential decision like how fit is the Explorer as a watch to Explore, to play with different straps, to endure the abuse of real normal life. I'm working on a comparison video. Actually I'm now shooting the b-roll, and that will bring a more comprehensive understanding about this watch purpose and intent. Thanks for your great comment!
@webbezzy6 ай бұрын
I haven’t experienced any mechanical issues with my modern Explorer 36 mm. I take it everywhere and anywhere. So far held up pretty well. It’s a very special watch for me. Something about it is so attractive. I don’t really know what it is!
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
It is a great watch and for those who can afford I'm sure probably one of the best out there. I think the dial proportions together with the most comfortable wearing experience because of the design and finishing of the bracelet and the back of the case, make it truly amazing as whole complete package. I have some concerns when considering it as an adventure or true exploring watch, but this is something really doesn't have to apply to everybody at all.
@pedromolina32866 ай бұрын
This is like when I bought my Leica after desiring for half my life. It’s been 3 years and I shot maybe 5 rolls through it because its too precious to take with my in all situations. I just shoot cheaper cameras and get 90 percent of the experience. For middle class people or lower, luxury is a double edged sword, you have to not care about the money its cost to let go of the worry.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That it totally so. I love Leica cameras but now I realize I would never want to really own one. I use the humble but reliable Fujifilms, and the one I use the most is the more humble X100t. A very old generation but the camera that is always with me and takes, therefore the best photos. You know, this is like the song, it's not about what you want, but to get what you need. Maybe what I need is the Traska or other watches in my collection.
@pedromolina32866 ай бұрын
@@TheWatchFrame Myself, my own Sumiteer and my x-pro2 are perfectly happy to adventure together! Haha.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Awesome @@pedromolina3286. That's a great team indeed!
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yavor, I was saying in the chat that I understand many people wanting to have a date in their watches. I prefer without it but this being said, I think Tudor brings some interesting alternatives to the concept of adventure watches.
@georgetown89866 ай бұрын
Why? Does it leak oil and depreciate faster than any watch produced?
@soulgrease20 күн бұрын
I'd keep it. How often would it need servicing? Maybe 1x every 10yrs and your brother in law can significantly reduce that cost. Use your other watches for the adventures. That said I completely understand the point of feeling too nervous to use the the thing (watch, car etc) there has to be a sweet spot of cost to benefit to translate to enjoyment. Anyway keep up the good work man
@TheWatchFrame19 күн бұрын
Thanks. I've decided to keep the watch for the moment being. The last months have proven how good this watch is in all environments.
@timemycollection6 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your video. I’ve heard the new 32xx movements have problems with oil staying put and it causes problems. Also apparently the new Rolex watches have lower amplitude quicker than the older movements. But, the warranty should and will cover you until it runs out. I have two watches, Explorer & Explorer II. I hope to maintain them as long as i can. I wear them all the time. And i wont stop. What ever you’re decision i hope you’re happy.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes, and now my Explorer is running perfectly well and is under warranty. A new AD is going to open in town and my brother in law would be more than able to service this Explorer perfectly and even for free. Still I now see that this 124270 is not design as an exploring watch. Maybe the 114270 a prior versions are, but not this one. I think the Explorer II 16570 is a great watch for instance and has been one of my goals, but at the end of the day, for me at least, it's way too much money put in one single piece. But this though might pretty well chance in a couple of months.
@ninjesus40796 ай бұрын
Totally get you Mario, I am in the exact same position, owning the 124270. I could afford to buy it, thinking if I need to sell it one day; the value retention makes it that I do not lose money. But on the other end, if it is stolen, or damaged or it needs to be serviced every 5 years, then it might become too expensive for me. However, I also know that life is short and it needs to be enjoyed and because no other watch could replace my Explorer besides a 1016 haha I decided that it stays with me for now. If I need a watch for exploring, my go to choice is the Gshock 5610. The explorer is my daily/luxury timepiece.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
You are very right. I have enough true exploring watches that I don't really ever need to take the Explorer out but that's a shame in my opinion. I guess I was kind of being very naive when I first thought about this Explorer.
@Valera_Scotland6 ай бұрын
Cost of maintenance is definitely something to keep in mind...I recently decided to sell and trade up my IWC Mark 16 for a Speedmaster 1861.. I am aware that to maintain the Speedy will cost me a great deal, but it is my only watch now and I'm prepared to save up for service costs etc... If I owned several expensive watches, this would be a real pain The Explorer is lovely.... but it is just a watch at the end of the day... do what makes sense to you In terms of using a watch for its purpose... you are probably right... my Speedy can surely take the abuse, but any time I'm going to go on a hike, work in the garden or whatever, well.... I'm taking my G shock Having said all this.... maybe you should just wear it to the mountains... take the risk... use the watch as an Explorer watch ... and you will love it even more when it's covered in scratches.. maybe your Explorer will be a rare piece... an Explorer actually used in that classic sense.... and you'll be proud of it
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Your are right. The main concern with this 124270 Explorer is that is not engineered to be an exploring watch. I will talk about that in the comparison video. If it was maybe I would take it to the mountain no matter what but now I'm testing other popular watch to fit that role, and is not cheap by any means. Stay tuned for the unboxing video soon! :D
@PocketUau6 ай бұрын
-2 and -4 seconds a day isn't that bad. It's probably caused by your common rest position when wearing it, which in most cases are crown down and 6 down. -2 is within Superlative Chronometer parameters, while -4 isn't that far off.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
This Explorer is supposed to be -2 +2 and being new to be around -3, -4 in all positions (I tested) and growing worse by the day, kind of worried me. If it had been +3 or +4 stable, I would have had no real issue, but this was weird as later confirmed by the AD upon the call they got from Rolex Spain. There was some lack of lubrication which now has been corrected. Seems to even be a known issue. At the end of the day that's just a simple fact of objects. Some fail, but the dirty trick of the AD made me think about the whole concept of owning and maintaining an expensive watch that is not really thought to be the watch you should carry to the mountain but to be your companion in safer and more formal or elegant situations.
@henrigraber27413 ай бұрын
32xx movements are far less repair-friendly than the previous 31xx. For example you cannot disassemble the barrel in order to clean and grease the spring since it's walls are extremely thin (so they could increase the power reserve to 70 hours). You have to replace the whole barrel and spring for a new one (throw away) !!!
@TheWatchFrame3 ай бұрын
Didn't know that. Thanks for the information. Good to know!
@BonDijon5 ай бұрын
fully understand. still expensive but thats why i got a tudor bb 32 instead as it used an eta 2824. when service time comes around, it wont cost me a leg
@TheWatchFrame5 ай бұрын
Yes, the ETA 2824 is a very solid movement and way easier and cheap to service in comparison.
@StruanRobertson296 ай бұрын
I think you will regret selling that watch..it is a special one. The way i see it, the modern rolex models are neeing serviced every 10 years or so...say its 800 USD to service....thats the equivent of 80USD per year...i think thats ok
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That is true in fact. It's not that much but there's more. As I have commented it is also about the personal connection of the watch, the way it's been designed with something different from exploring in mind and in general how much money you carry in one piece that can be totally damaged, stolen or lost. There are many considerations when intending to use it everyday not even meeting the criteria of middle class person :D
@alexgreen81796 ай бұрын
Don’t sell it. You’ve had a small issue repaired. Your issue was dealing with the AD not Rolex. Use it as you intended and allow it to get bruised it will be fine and will look like it should. I think you’d regret moving it on.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes, the issue was with the AD and got solved so that's not that much of a deal as if something happens again I know what to do. It's more about the lost connection and the realization of me not really wanting to wear the watch as I thought I would. I need more time to be sure for certain. So no hurry to sell right now unless I get to need the money of course.
@TheWatchFrame3 ай бұрын
@@MrRuskee If there's something immutable in life is that change is inevitable. Yes, if funds needed I will sell for sure.
@uansari15 ай бұрын
Fair point, and everyone is different when it comes to what you find reasonable. If you assume 10 year service intervals, servicing a non-chronograph Rolex is around USD 80-90 per year, which is quite reasonable. My Omega Seamaster GMT would be around the same through Swatch, whereas my Breguet will be double that price to service. At the end of the day, the cost has to be “worth it” compared to the joy that the watch brings you.
@TheWatchFrame5 ай бұрын
True. My hesitation is related to a combination of facts. Servicing cost is not that much of a concern in the long run, but adding that I don't find the watch be truly to be used in the mountain, how expensive is to replace and the other factors, I find myself less attached to the watch than I expected to be.
@kennethchen4048Ай бұрын
I have to thank you for your videos about the Traska Summiteer. Because of your videos i purchased different generation of Summiteer along the years. I too been think of getting an Explorer as a grail watch for my coming 40 y/o birthday. But i do really need to think it over whether i can maintain the watch for the long run. We are poisoned by social media that Rolex is the best. But all boils down to, do we really need it? Is it practical for daily hard use?
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
Thanks for your words and good question. Do we really need a Rolex? Well, in short, no. And even one could say that even any watch is not much of a need, although I strongly disagree. I'd say that, at least, a general purpose water-resistant and elegant enough watch should be a must for any lady or gentleman, as owning a watch speaks volumes about a person's culture and elegance. Or at least it seems it should be. At the end of the day people are the way they behave, but well, that's another discussion. But back to your question. I'd say the Traska should be a watch good enough for any circumstance and to be your companion for life. Do you need a Rolex? Again. No. But it also depends. It's not about the need. It's more about the "want". The Rolex is, from an objective point of view, a great watch. During the last months I have come to appreciate it more and more, to the extent that now I feel I really want to keep it despite its flaws. Is the Rolex Explorer the greatest watch ever? No. But is closer that I even thought it was. As a watch alone, not considering the brand and the stigma the "Rolex" logo brings, it's an outstanding piece of engineering designed to last a few human lives and to be comfortable as it can get. But it's an expensive item. The price really has to come into the equation because as most luxury brands, the watches are overpriced. The movement inside is awesome; there's no denying it. But you can achieve close enough experiences with more humble movements and watches. So, in short, if you want the watch, because really you don't need it, and you can afford it, go for it. But if not able to afford, then I really think it's, at the end, a better experience to have another more affordable watch you will be more likely to enjoy on an everyday basis. A Rolex is only an everyday watch, provided you would be able to immediately replace it should you lose it somehow.
@NewsthinkАй бұрын
Really appreciate this honest video. Was thinking of getting the Traska Summiteer as well. But I assume it's not as accurate as the Explorer or do you find it's fairly close?
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
Thanks. Well, of course, the Summiteer is not as accurate, but keep in mind that the Explorer is "Superlative chronometer" which means it can range from -2 to +2 seconds a day, currently running around +0,5 - 1 seconds a day if not right without any gain or loss many days (combining wearing it during the day and face up during the night). My Traskas can run from anywhere from +1 to +8 a day, depending on, but I have had a lot of experience with this 9xxx series movement and they are pretty reliable solid movements. The Summiteer is somewhat regulated by Traska, but, at the same time, they are pretty simple to adjust, so I usually don't worry too much as I don't really expect the level of accuracy in these watches that I do expect from something costing 12 times more. As a matter of fact, this gives me some peace of mind I don't get from the Explorer or the Ranger. The more you pay, the more you expect from them, but +1 to +8 from a 600 Euros watch, is quite good. Actually pretty good.
@NewsthinkАй бұрын
@@TheWatchFrameThat accuracy in a Traska is actually pretty good. They are beautiful watches too. I would feel terrible banging up an Explorer (and would naturally be more careful with it) but I wouldn’t feel I’d need to watch myself carefully wearing the Traska. Maybe a good reason to get the Traska then
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
@@Newsthink of course. I have been using the Traska in the mountain, no worries at all. If I take something more expensive, like the Ranger, then I'm usually more careful. The problem with the Explorer is that I worry more for the watch than of myself, thus not a good policy... :D
@NewsthinkАй бұрын
@@TheWatchFrame I'm actually shocked that you're sometimes getting only +1 on the Traska. Had no idea it was that good.
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
@@Newsthink well, sometimes, only sometimes :)
@ntag4116 ай бұрын
Well, the Swiss watchmakers have gauged the market back around the year 2000 and have moved pricing accordingly. They have proven to be correct that the targeted consumers will spend on the high pricing of luxury. Overall the luxury sector has been performing exceptionally well. I'm not into luxury, bought all my Swiss branded watches back around 2000 and earlier. Pricing was about a quarter or a fifth of today. Even a quality Swiss quartz would cost around $3K or more today. That same type would be around $600 when I bought all my pieces.
@liquidvic6 ай бұрын
I've followed your journey with this watch as I have a 124270 myself, which I absolutely adore. You're right I wouldn't want to take it into the most hostile of situations, even though I could, (you could with anything but would you). All watches have a cost to maintain, the more complications the more expensive, but you have to ask yourself; did I buy this watch and expect nothing to happen to it if I expose it to potentially damaging situation, or did I buy it because I want/deserve/need, or would like to have beautiful, (in your words Range Rover) watch that I feel reflects/represents what I believe makes me feel good every time I look at it on my wrist. I will be sad to hear that you let the watch go. I think you deserve it having watched your previous videos about what it meant to you. Buy a cheap watch if you're likely to get to damaged. But that cheap watch won't make you smile the way the Explorer does when you look at it.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your words. This is a very strange and difficult situation for me because, in great part, of all the considerations you make. And your words are being kind of a mirror where to look myself into. I feel in some inexplicable way I've realized maybe this Explorer is not the Explorer, to me at least. Something has gone wrong and has opened a door that once open is difficult if not imposible to close. I didn't realize at first that some of the issues I found in the watch would grow in importance. I don't mean all the accuracy issue, which is the kind of thing that simply can happen. It's not the AD behavior either. Is that the little small things that I criticized about this watch have grown in importance when comparing with other watches in the development of my own lifestyle. Because of my bad knees I guessed I would never be able to go back to explore the mountains around me. The Explorer was, at that moment, my own price commemorating the past days of glory and a beautiful watch to take with my business travels and city exploration. But now when traveling I don't want to take the watch. Too luxurious for my personality. I feel pretentious myself, ashamed of having a Rolex. I know, I know. That's just stupid. But I can't shake this feeling. However most importantly I'm back with my crazy mountain adventures despite all odds. Things add up. I take the Traska with me because I see in that more affordable watch the true Explorer soul this new Explorer doesn't show to me. And you know this is all projection. A sign of my own insecurities I guess. But very substantial backed up by some facts about the design of the Rolex that simply confirm my mindset right now, Again, I need more time and keep exploring my thoughts. No pun intended. But again, thanks for your words and I'm really happy you adore your Explorer. Maybe mine needs somebody that can have the same feelings in the future. Well, first world problems... ☺
@liquidvic6 ай бұрын
@@TheWatchFrame You have to make your decisions based on what you think is right for you at the time. I hope the decision you make is one will not regret in the future.
@liquidvic4 ай бұрын
I won't ever regret my decision to keep my Explorer... I still maintain my belief that the Rolex Explorer 36mm is the last true Rolex. It's not a big in your face watch, It's not blingy. It's an honest watch. And yes you do deserve it.
@TheWatchFrame4 ай бұрын
@@liquidvic I'm wearing it quite a bit lately trying to bond back with it. We'll see. Thanks for your comments!
@spinaquanable6 ай бұрын
Hi. I own the same watch too. Of yourse the explorer is expensive but only "expensive" things are worth something. If you want to make memories with a watch and keep it for a lifetime, a rolex maybe a good choice so that your children are also able to have fun with it. A cheap watch just gets replaced and so are the memories. You can also sell other wotches or slim down your collection. Good luck for your choice.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That is indeed a good point to consider. As you say a Rolex is something for life... and if memories attached, something to pass to others. I will elaborate on this in the future comparison video. Thanks!
@spinaquanable6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your Videos. Because of you i pulled the triggert to buy the watch 😅
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
@@spinaquanable congratulations and thanks to you. It's a beautiful watch no matter what I decide to do finally with it. This is indeed one of the most beautiful watches out there and for many this could be the perfect watch to wear every single day for a whole life.
@santiagogonzalez40986 ай бұрын
Mario! Qué lástima tu experiencia, no solo la del AD sino también que ese grail watch que tanto deseabas no haya sido todo lo que imaginaste. Sinceramente, no sólo te entiendo, sino que hasta me siento identificado. No tengo un Explorer pero estoy seguro que me ocurriría lo mismo que a ti. Creo que lo has dicho tú en algún otro video, the Summiteer is the new Explorer. La realidad es esa y entiendo que vos buscabas eso que el Explorer representó en su momento, pero ya no. El hecho de ser un reloj tan costoso y lujoso, prácticamente anula la posibilidad de darle el uso para el cual fue pensado tanto tiempo atrás. A no ser que tengas suficiente dinero, claro. Mi Explorer favorito (vale aclarar que nunca he visto uno con mis propios ojos) es el 14270 y me animaría a decir que al ser un reloj con más años y el uso que eso conlleva, te daría menos miedo usarlo en cualquier ámbito. No obstante, también debe ser menos resistente que el modelo que tu tienes. Igualmente no sé si la diferencia de precio (si es que la hay) sería tal que duela menos un golpe en él. Espero con ansias el video de la comparación entre el Explorer y el Summiteer. Te mando un gran saludo!
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Gracias Santiago. Más que el 14270 he considerado el 114270 por tener índices luminescentes, cosa importante para mi. El problema, al final, es el mismo, es un reloj caro en todos los sentidos. Seguramente el 114270 sería mejor opción para mi, pero acostumbrado a la reserva de marcha de 70 horas y la espiral de aleación de silicona, es difícil volver un poco hacia atrás. Por no hablar del brazalete que es la cosa más cómoda y bien diseñada que he probado nunca. Probé un 114270 durante unos ratos y el brazalete me pareció demasiado endeble, aunque, eso sí, con 20mm de anchura de asas sería más conveniente para cambiar correas. De todos modos pronto voy a revelar mi última adquisición que tal vez explique un poco más por dónde voy a, seguramente, ir.
@davidd10166 ай бұрын
Sad to hear...i can see that it is a very difficult decision ...you grow an attachement to a watch especially one you worked hard to attain as i have watched your previous videos. I also understand you were looking for it to be THE watch and accompany you every where. I am fortunate that i bought my 1016 in the 90's when costs were much more reasonable...The movement inside, the 1570, while not as updated as in the new explorer is extremely durable, reliable and easily repaired...together with the Acryclic crystal i have no fear of doing any significant damage to it. It goes to Rolex service every 7-10 years and that gives me peice of mind...i know the 1016 prices are crazy but it is truly a watch that lives up to its GADA reputation...if you end up selling your watch i would begin the search for a 1016 because that is all you will ever need...
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
The 1016 is my grail so congratulations to have it and I'm genuinely happy you have it and use the way it's intended. I have thought about this but the 1016 is way out of my comfort zone. Only would buy it if I have way more money saved than the amount I have now. Also I'd need to have maybe a serviced dial with working lume which I don't know if that's a thing. But again, please enjoy your great watch! And if you ever want to sell it to me for a very low price... I'm all ears! :D
@jongoodman74486 ай бұрын
For heaven’s sake…wear the thing. You are reacting to a non-problem. Besides, you’ve already beaten the crap out of the watch. Enjoy, man! Enjoy!
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes, I know, first world problems. I will use the watch but for now in controlled environments 😅
@favoritethings30656 ай бұрын
This is a very similar situation as me with my Omega Railmaster which recently sufferered a crack in the sapphire crystal (my fault) which now requires an expensive full service. Mario, I agree 100% with your other reasons…100%
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Oh, sorry to hear that! Hope it get fixed. Yes, that is one of the reasons I miss plexy so much in some watches. Yes, it scratches easily but are more resistant when getting it and easy to polish and replace in case it breaks. For instance, the Lorier Falcon III I believe does the right thing regards the plexy "glass". And also I'm going to make an unboxing of another watch with plexy I got a few days ago.
@picanha6944 ай бұрын
to me rolex is just a milestone watch and i wouldn't care about the accuracy too much especially if its only +/- 2 to 3 seconds a day. if i am looking for an accurate watch then i would just buy a garmin or something.
@TheWatchFrame4 ай бұрын
To each their own of course. However when we talk about a 7.000 euros watch rated to be -2 +2 seconds a day that after a few months starts losing over 3 seconds a day or more, specially potentially being possible that something is not properly working and could damage the watch in the long run, it was a concern for me. And I was right. There was lack of lubrication which could have led to bigger problems in the future.
@tbprofile12956 ай бұрын
Keep the Explorer as your daily wearer, and use another watch for hiking, etc. I think you will miss it if you sell it. See if you can take the Exp to a different AD for service? This one was pulling a scam on you. I think you maybe realize this, and the negative experience has soured you on the watch.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes I realize it and thus part of my disappointment. But I take a more calm approach. Actually my brother in law can and will service my Explorer in a few years even for free, but that's part of the issue. Also there's going to open a new AD in my city. So not really concern. But at the end of the day is the amount of money I'm keeping in a watch thus I'm not sure if I want that given that I'm reluctant to wear it even in more safe environments. Of course you're right, I take the Traska or othe the Alpinist to the mountain but the Explorer should have been design to be used that way and it's not. That's a bit frustrating. Maybe the 114270 is a better option to be honest, but I still think the only real "Explorer" as homage to the Everest expedition was the 1016.
@ethandillard11983 ай бұрын
Hi! Your explorer videos have been some of my favorite on KZfaq. I started collecting watches about 5 years ago, and I’ve started to let some of mine go as well due to the cost of maintaining them. Servicing only seems to be getting more expensive, and with the need every 5-10 years for a large collection, that’s a serious chunk of change (for me). I’ve actually never bought the explorer, my grail, because it was so expensive, but I have considered selling everything for the explorer and focusing on that one watch to maintain… Explorer or not, I’ve come to accept I may need to be a one watch guy, just because it only makes sense to me, financially, to keep up with the long term costs on a single, grail piece…
@TheWatchFrame3 ай бұрын
Thanks! That is a good consideration indeed. I however like a lot many of my watches but I agree it is totally possible to sell most and keep but a couple of them. I usually reduce my collection once in a while but end up getting new watches. But yes, to keep one or two is possible as long as the watch is versatile enough.
@Milofchg6 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that you might sell your Explorer. Rolex should take care of you under it's warranty, but like you said. What about next time if and when you hit it against something and it's damage you caused. I understand, for the price that this costs, we expect near perfection and durability. For me once something I thought was quality and something that should be as it claims to be. After it fails I get disillusioned with the brand. I no longer trust the product. I say if you need to sell, sell it. I recommend selling it on your own, and perhaps getting a 14270 Explorer from the 90's. Use that when you're doing your everyday. Save the other half and use it for other needs. Good luck. I own the same watch and I go camping and hiking often. But my use is mostly everyday desk job use. I also own a Speedmaster Pro and a Seiko SRP777. I have come down to 3 watches. So I do switch watches from time to time. Yes owning watches can be expensive. Way before the watch hype around 2002. I found a used Royal Oak AP from the late 70's at a pawn shop. I paid $3K for that decent example. I knew what it was but at the time NOBODY was buying or into AP Royal Oak. I kept the watch and wore it occasionally, it really is a delicate watch. Not for everyday use. Fast forward 2021 when it needed a service. It cost me $2500.00 USD. That was more than half of what I paid for, plus it needed to go to Switzerland since it was a vintage piece. So I bit the bullet paid and waited 6 months. The first thing I did was sell the Royal Oak. I made a HUGE profit, but lesson learned. Expensive watches require expensive repair/maintenance. At the time I couldn't afford it and I had no choice but to get it fixed and sell it. Technically in my case I really couldn't afford to keep it. Sometimes expensive watches are really not worth it and the cost/hype does not go hand in hand with quality that one would expect. Now I'm ok with a small collection and going to keep it as a small collection. Maybe get a Sub 41mm and a decent dress watch in due time.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
The AD did the service under guarantee and now the watch is running better than before, so it sure was something from the factory. At the end of the day something normal so I get that. The disillusion came with the AD behavior and making me starting to think that to service the watch at that moment would mean I would have to sell it. And didn't feel as bad as I thought entertaining that idea, thus I believed maybe I wasn't the watch for me. I'm already testing another watch but from other brand to see if that one could fit in the shoes of the Explorer and hope to make a video about this soon. I will post the video of the unboxing ;)
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
I have been considering the 114270 as having lume if key for my intended use but after some consideration I thought I was going to be with the same problem being a very expensive watch still. That is the reason I'm testing other watches that I was considering in he past.
@degenerateWA6 ай бұрын
I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I completely understand where you're coming from. I like how you call the Explorer a homage to actual adventure watches from the past; I've never heard that before but I think it's absolutely true.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your kind words. I'm going to elaborate on this in a video I'm preparing and that might be a bit controversial. I feel there are two different interpretations for the Explorer that are not mutually incompatible: One one side the Explorer is a luxury and exploring watch of first world life environment and two, a true homage to exploring and adventure watches of the past, honoring, in fact, the 1016 (but not reaching the excellence in design of that watch IMHO).
@barlow19736 ай бұрын
No lo hagas compañero! Reduce tu colección de relojes y dale uso. Un serviciosi le hace falta cuesta lo que uno de tus relojes de micromarca, pero el reloj queda nuevo. Hazme caso, es un reloj para toda la vida, que ademas te encanta! Solo se vive una vez😊
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Ahora que finalmente el "AD" hizo el mantenimiento va realmente bien y está perfecto para 10 años hasta un nuevo mantenimiento ¡en 2033! y seguramente en ese caso lo llevaré al nuevo AD que va a abrir o lo hará alguien mejor y con más conocimiento y cuidado, como mi cuñado relojero (y seguramente gratis). Pero si no lo estoy usando no veo sentido en tener tanto dinero "inmovilizado". Como dices un servicio cuesta lo que un reloj de micro marca y como tengo tanta admiración y respeto por esos relojes, es precisamente lo que hace cuestionar mantener el Explorer.
@sharpe340-6 ай бұрын
I think, all things considered, you will regret selling it every day for the rest of your life. And you will eventually buy another one only to regret not longer owning the one that had so many wonderful memories built into it.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That might happen and thus I need more time to be sure. I can hold onto the watch for now but if in the next months the feelings don't change I might take the chance to sell it and in the worst case scenario I will learn another lesson.
@rcm4u25 ай бұрын
It’s a relatively new movement, and they discovered that they needed probably a different lubricant in some locations, to keep timekeeping up to specs. Every company must learn from rolling up a new movement. Don’t lose faith in the company. They are human. Your AD made a mistake, plain and simple. Change AD’s.
@TheWatchFrame5 ай бұрын
Yes I know. After having the watch serviced under the guarantee it's running perfect. There are other considerations besides the behavior of the AD. I guess the situation triggered me to question if this watch is the best fit for me. I mean I don't think it's a bad watch or anything. I don't blame the proposal of Rolex in this case as a luxury watch. At the end of the day I guess the problem is not the watch, it's me.
@mwasha6 ай бұрын
Why not get watch insurance?
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That's a good question. I've tried to find information for that here in Spain but that information is elusive. Still that would be another cost to add and I don't think that would be to keep me comfortable as, as I have mentioned, I believe this watch is not designed to be a true adventure exploring watch. But will keep checking and thinking about it. Thanks!
@yavornikolov69656 ай бұрын
I was also saying in the chat that I watched the video and think that you should sell it, you already did in your heart :) and I agree with all you said. Go on, check something new, this is a lot of money to be constantly careful with :)
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. Thanks. Still unsure but that is the point. If the watch is so expensive for me it's hard to enjoy wearing it. Somebody else can really enjoy to the fullest.
@Shadowman-19606 ай бұрын
I have some very nice watches like the Grand Seiko SBGA407 "Skyflake" but wear my $189.00 Cronos L6016 Explorer homage watch almost every day, and love everything about it except I think the hour hand could be a little larger.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Actually I have a grown respect for direct design copies of watches. I believe they bring a very strong argument when talking about true tool watches to be really used and some of the design copies are really good and in some aspects better than the original models. I'm more into the true homage or tributes territory but all my respect to Chronos, San Martin, and the rest, specially when they bring some new twist to the vintage designs.
@K.J.H_6 ай бұрын
Im not as much a fan of the direct copies (for me, not judging others), but i dont mind when they borrow heavily from popular designs to create somewhat of their own thing. The standard some of the ali brands can produce now is incredible.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
@@K.J.H_ yes, that's right. More or less the main ones do try to bring a small twist or a "something" to make them a bit different and that is a good thing. Also the quality is really growing there.
@robb52576 ай бұрын
same as cars, everybody want that bmw, but if you do the math, anything but hyundai is stupid as f. keep the watch, safe a couple of 100s for the next service and give it a smile ;-)
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
It's all about what one can honestly maintain. Same with cars alright. Sometimes the best if enemy of the good enough!
@georgetown89866 ай бұрын
Nobody wants a BMW, Mercedes, Range Rover, etc. when they are out of warranty. That's why they are on "buy here, pay here" car lots in the hood when they are out of factory warranty or close to it.
@michaelriera62774 ай бұрын
The truth is Rolex makes luxury products. The best mass produced watches but still a luxury product.
@TheWatchFrame4 ай бұрын
That is correct. They are solid and can be used in rough situations but like with any luxury item, maybe that's not always the best idea and not the intended purpose.
@JLUnit4166 ай бұрын
I admittedly do not lead as an adventurous as you do and I can understand your Range Rover analogy. I also own G Shocks and use them almost exclusively for more rigorous activities, these days. That said, if there's something I fear more than buyer's remorse, it would be seller's remorse. I'll echo advice I've heard from another watch channel, "Never sell Rolex. Never sell Rolex. Never sell Rolex." Put it away for a while and revisit it. If you missed it, you'll be glad you didn't sell it and while the luxury watch market has cooled post-Pandemic, it may be difficult to rebuy if you regret selling it. Regardless of what you do, good luck with your decision.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes, I'm doing so. I have away for a while and I'm using other watches. We'll see. Thanks!
@comeonman74236 ай бұрын
Absolutely beautiful watch, but I wouldn’t take it exploring, it seems too valuable.. I would only take it out on special occasions.
@majedalessa8376Ай бұрын
Sorry, your reasoning is flawed. Why did you buy a Rolex in the first place if you can not afford it, which is clearly the case. There is nothing wrong with wearing and enjoying affordable watches. Rolex, although it is a tool watch, however, fact is in today's world it is more of a status symbol. Wearing a $10K watch for adventures and bashing is not a wise decision unless money is no issue. For any hard jobs, swimming, traveling ...etc I eithee wear a Casio or Smart watch.
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
It is true that I maybe should have not bought this watch in the first place, but when it comes to watch collecting, reason often goes out of the window first. It is also true that you should "never meet your heroes". I should have known better, I guess. Again, this is also part of the learning process we all go through this amazing trip. I do enjoy more affordable watches, and that is what I do know. But I wanted to have something special, the closest thing to the grail I dream of. However, my point is that I had the funds and if things don't turn the wrong way, I could keep it, but the Explorer is not designed to be an exploring watch at all. I'm working on a video that will prove this point, but at the same time, and to my own surprise, it totally can be used as such, even considering the price. And I agree that for hard jobs, a Casio can do it. Most of my mountaineering has been with a Casio on. Now I can't use digital display watches anymore, but I use the Traska or other watches instead. Pretty good solution. But never a smartwatch, which I don't consider as a real watch but an anti-watch. These things are just mobile device based gadgets that resemble a watch, but can't really function as one. But to each their own!
@majedalessa8376Ай бұрын
@TheWatchFrame Watch collecting is a very nice hobby. Whether affordable or expensive, it does not matter. It is okay that you get out of love of any of the watches you own, but your video was mostly about how expensive and fragile this watch is because you encountered some sort of a problem. I have been collecting and owning Rolex watches (among others) for 20 years. They are robust and solid, keeping excellent time, and I have not serviced any since I bought them. Again, I do not subject them to hard conditions like some might do as these have become luxury items that can be used as tool watches. And in case they need to be serviced, I'm aware of the costs, and I'm fine to pay. Enjoy your watches and this hobby.
@TheWatchFrameАй бұрын
@@majedalessa8376 you are right, and I might have not explained myself clear or got things confused somehow. This video was made some time ago, and now I have to admit that I'm very happy with the Explorer after being serviced. I feel that, as you say, these watches are more luxury items than tool watches for the supposed use. Hardly a surprise here, but I thought this was worth mentioning. I will publish a video soon with more on this, and another one of the Explorer as a watch itself. This all said, this watch is very solid. I have been privileged enough to see some Rolex being serviced, and the movements are, simply put, impressive. But this situation was mostly my fault, except the shady behavior of the AD. If I keep the watch, and most probably will, I will have it serviced in the future by my brother-in-law, the watchmaker, for a more reasonable price but, here, I agree, while you don't use the watches are tool watches, they will last a long time without needing a service, and after that, given 10 or 20 years, it's not that much of a stretch. But at the end of the day, the truth stays. The Explorer is not an exploring watch. It's an homage to exploring watches, and a very solid capable watch that, against my own prejudices, can really be used to explore. But there are better options, to be honest. Thanks for the debate. Very enriching.
@majedalessa8376Ай бұрын
@TheWatchFrame Thank you, and I wish you all the best
@palmeadia6 ай бұрын
Don't sell. You will regret it
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
That I really fear but not sure that is enough to keep the watch under my policy of "if not used it's for sale"... I just don't find the moment or situation to wear the watch. Maybe during the summer things will change. We'll see.
@palmeadia6 ай бұрын
@@TheWatchFrame You must ask yourself the question are you not wearing it because of fear of damage or because you don't like the watch as much as you once did.. If it is the former then that is what you need to get over and just enjoy the watch for what it is. If it is the latter then sell. You are lucky that you have a relative who is able to service Rolex watches, which softens the blow of any cost of repair or service that most of us don't have. This in itself would be enough for me to keep the piece and enjoy it to the full.
@TheWatchFrame6 ай бұрын
Yes @@palmeadia it's kind of both things. I like the watch but not that much from my personal perspective. The feeling towards the watch is evolving but I fear to take a whole 180º and think otherwise later :P But yes, that is a good question.
@simonhendy1994 ай бұрын
Wear it but pull a sweat band over it when in the mountains and get your brother-in-law to service it for free! Both problems solved! 😁
@TheWatchFrame4 ай бұрын
Thanks. The servicing is not a problem but when in the mountains I take the Ranger instead :)