we have paccars in t880s hauling crude off road they never stop only for service they seem to be holding up

How often do you do your oil changes ?

@@DavidHernandez-uj9rb I was doing them at 30k

I agree. new Sub. love from Long Island.

Whaat year is ur paccarM

I still say the government and the trucking industry has rammed this emissions crap down our throat yet it isn't reliable or cost effective. How can these treatment systems be environmentally good for the planet when the amount of extra fuel burnt during those Regens is astronomical?

What is your average with the cummins compared to paccar?

I have isx15 on my kw t660 is a factory 550 and I added the pdi carb legal tune exahust manifold pdi, oil cooler pdi dual cooler and I have 336 gears on 18 spds my fuel is about 7.8 mpg at fully loaded, tipical 79,000 pounds and the power is unlimited, Cummins all the way

Yes, Paccar is a low torque motor! I hate it! The first generation wouldn't pull an empty trailer up a mountain, and the jake sucked! It wouldn't hold the truck on a downgrade. The second generation was much better!

The Paccar motor itself isn’t a bad engine, I think it’s some of the parts and pieces that’s bolted to it. We have trucks pushing 500k and the engine itself is good, just issues with the other things.

They are still available just not a factory option anymore but putting a cat in after is better in my opinion because you get to choose how you want to build it and who you want to build it

But you hardly see paccars in the shop,most of them are Cummins

True

@@alfredodelcastillo583 because 99% of trucks have Cummins.

If you think that cumapart has power then I can only imagine what youd think about the C18 in my 367 Pete. My Cat has 50% more torque and over 200 more horsepower and NO REGEN!!! It would pull your truck over the river and through the woods all the way to Grandmas house. Its rate for 150 tons whats yours rated for?

@@MasterWitchDoctor You're talking a modified truck with an engine that isn't even available in a new tractor for highway use, I'm talking 100% stock that you can drive out of the dealer's yard. Once I get some mileage on it we'll probably have a few mods done, but stock vs stock, you bring a new Pete or whatever with a Paccar, DD16 or a C15 Cat reman and hook up with a nice load and we'll see. Gotta compare apples to apples, by the way, the strongest factory stock tractor I've ever driven was in England, a relative drives a Scania with the 16 liter V8, 770HP, that thing is a real beast, I wish they sold them over here. Google Scania Trucks, interesting how they do the job across the pond.

You could run the Paccar with those weights but it would suck, Canadians do it all the time with that low power in the Prairies, thank goodness I never had that spec

@@MasterWitchDoctor Lol, I think mine can handle anything that gets thrown at it. Check out what a Cat D10 cable plow with rock ripper weighs and the 3 axle jeep and 5 axle lowboy to haul it with, then add in my 4 axle tractor. Look it up and you do the math, real world work using something you can actually buy .

​@@MasterWitchDoctor sounds like a great rig. I run a 770hp V8 Scania here in Australia. She pulls 5 trailers of coal 24/7 7 days a week. Shes just done 3 years of work bought new in 2020. The V8 scania is a beautiful truck with spacious cab and comfort. GVM loaded is around 250 to 280 tonnes. She only shuts down for her service. I have 3 guys working on shifts round the clock. Engines just clocked 24,000 hours run time. No oil leaks on engine trans or diffs. Serviced off hour meter she gets oil n filters changed every 300 hours. Its been a great truck pulls well being a v8 from 950rpm up to 1370rpm she pulls. She's expected to do another 3 years on this current contract so next month shel be getting torn down full engine, diffs and trans rebuilds. All seem fine but as the contract has reliability clauses we want to ensure she will do the next 3 years trouble free. In the last 2000 hours I've noticed shes using 1 to 2L of engine oil between services not too bad really for the hours shes worked. Once the next 3 years are done I will be ordering another one. Ex Pete and Kenworth owner. But the Scania is in another class for performance and comfort.

I retired from trucking many years ago but...if I were to get back into it I would buy a 2000 with a Cat in it and love every mile😆😆😆😆😆

@@ford32able how about an RV with Cat power? I could deal with that.

3406e for the win

Have you compared it to the cummins X15 or even the later isx15's? I noticed the cummins was better stock for stock vs my 3406a and got better fuel economy.

FYI - C-12, 15, 16 etc is the engine size (Liters) and 3406 is like the Block model. I assume that this is what you meant....

Keep up the good work

Yeah x15 pulls that range good. So does dd15. What about paccar?

@@kdawgtv1333 You know I’ve never driven a Paccar but I see a lot of trash trucks pulling up hills and doing it with ease, a buddy of mine works for one of those companies but he drives a Freightliner with a cng engine and he tells me that those Paccar trucks the other guys drive are loaded with about 52,000 to 54,000 lbs and they almost run up the hill, they certainly pass my buddy up like nothing so that’s got to count for something.

@@bullymaguire4457 I just bought a 2016 with an MX 13 need to find a good tuner for it I know it’s on the Canadiens have somebody they deal with those little trucks or animals and these are guys that are hauling logs with Paccars

Paccar is coming out with a MX-15? I had always wondered if that would ever happen.

Just turn the ac off when in the yard

You got an article or any info on that supposed mx15?

When pulling hard the Cummins sounds like it has an exhaust leak to me

Hi Jamie from Australia, we have nothing but Cat C15 stuff here in my trucks, good to see the Cat engines get a mention, they seriously are still my choice too, all the best from Australia 🇺🇸🇭🇲🤝

Im 3406e...3 mil and rolling..

How many miles does your truck have?

Higher drives?

Paccar Mx13 sucks sir. With all do respect. Fk pacar

The little bit one saves up front will be spent on labor and parts in no time. EGR flushing and sensors at each flushing not to mention the major problems camshafts, ventilated blocks, ect I would never own one of these pieces of s___

​@@oldsoulstuckinabadtime6132agreed

Will it be more wiser to choose it over paccar despite fuel efficiency and comfort still?

David, I hear you on the mx, my bud's son wrenches on them, not a happy camper, not one little bit. Same as you, they haul B-Trains of nickel concentrate, 500 miles down empty back (mostly).

Pacers are bad engines dont buy one they will break you junk

Yeah,you are correct. I've heard mx overhaul cost as much as a new engine. So might as well buy new engine. I have a mx 13 510 hp. It don't pull as good as the x15 565 hp.

America just has some issues getting used to modern times... Cummins being the only American engine left, because Detroit is building Mercedes engines, Navistar MaxxForce 13 was a MAN design, (off course with VW owning Scania and MAN, they will put that new world engine also in Navistar now they own it) Volvo is off course a Swedish design, and the Paccar is a Dutch Daf design... and Cat quit. Apart from Cummins, none was able to maintain a profit while keeping up with emission standards, while virtually all European brands that existed 20 years ago, still exist today and are even taking over the North American market.. It wont take long before Paccar service will get to the level of established Cummins shops...

@@Sjanzo the only part of the market any of them has "taken over" is the mega carriers. Very few owner operators run those engines because the trucks they are in fall apart long before the engine is ready for an overhaul.

Agreed, i work at a dealer, Cummins only come in for services and EGR's, MX's are everything from emissions recalls, issues, wiring problems, or full blown engine replacement

The review i was looking for. MX equipped trucks tend to be slightly less expensive. And there's a cummins mechanic on every corner. #testedtec

Where's your shop? I'm currently in South Texas.

@@nostradamus7648 I used to work for Kenworth of Pa but I wouldn't trust them to fix a tail lamp. That's the reason I left didn't approve of customers getting ripped off

There's a reason why they call them "Pacshit" engines. 😂

A lot has to do with you’re gearing and ratios.

@@bierutki you clearly didn’t read my comment. I said that my current truck with the Cummins is geared lower (2.93s) vs the Paccar (2.64)

I have a new 2024 Pete 579 with the Cummins X15; empty, I'm getting 11mpg in the mountains, 13 on flat lands, and loaded, between 8-9.5. Amazing truck and engine! 👌

Agreed, I run a shop that has both engines. We can’t get paccars to go over 400k without major repairs needed. Our Cummins have minor issues throughout the same mileage and conditions. Not to mention you can’t even inframe a paccar….

They're also not easy to work doing Regional stuff for 99% of my driving's on asphalt or concrete. I swear auto shift Transmissions were put in place to force us older guys either into our own trucks with our 13-18-speeds or to leave the industry.

No its so they can throw people that have no idea what their doing into a truck

I pretty much Drive in the flat land of the Midwest currently. But in the past I used to do Chicago to Atlanta runs. There's no question if you're near the mountains there will be no substitute for horsepower and torque and for that matter probably engine displacement. A larger ring-gear to the pinion-gear is also a nice thing to have in the mountains.

Finally!!! Someone said it. Thank you! All these videos are about pulling power, torque, how fast can we get up a hill, etc. No one mentioned an important factor until now....engine braking ability. One thing will always stand true in big bore engines. Their engine brakes (when working properly) will always be stronger than smaller liter engines, especially with todays dual lobed cam and VGT braking systems

@@jamescaliendo1030 Yeah it's really hard to compare engines bobtailing because they're not working. Of course if you're going to Bob till around I'll probably settle for the fuel mileage because it can't be such a dog otherwise regarding the mx-13. But as I said in other comments comparing engines: time is money-- at least for this commenting owner operator. I have 11 legal hours per 10 consecutive hours off up to 60 such hours per rolling seven calendar days. That extra hour it may take that smaller engine to get to a destination may mean I have to lay up at a truck stop instead of getting home at night. This means where I live, I'll have to idle the truck all night either to keep warm or to keep cool. At $6 a gallon diesel. This will be roughly $60 a night just in fuel costs and I'm not even counting the wear and tear on the engine and the input shaft of the transmission amortized non-cash costs. So now how much does that small engine have to save to make up for let's say $75 worth of fuel and wear and tear on the engine per night not getting home? Other times I have driven small engines, the top three Gears of the transmission were usually are 8th 9th and 10th the trucks just couldn't get out of their own way even when I was un laden calling a container. For.examplw, the westboumd U.S. 20 upward cloverleaf that merges on to s. . ouboumd Interstate 94 in Northwest Indiana: every lane is the Hammer Lane and if you have a truck that can't get up to 55 mph in speed wit in 3 miles you're going to have people driving up your rear end. I drive a car that has relatively more horsepower than the average car for its weight that was built in the year 2000 no my Solara doesn't get the fuel mileage of a Corolla but there's times when I need to put it in second gear and get it up to 6,000 RPM to pass around idiots or to merge on a highway. You could say that it's unsafe to drive a vehicle that doesn't have enough power to merge with traffic. I even had a Cummins mechanic tell me that JB Hunt has a program in their company trucks that keeps a driver from accelerating fast so it feels like the truck can't get out of its own way to the driver and order to save fuel. I've said it many times: if a load is going to make me sweat that I only get 6.2 miles per gallon, then I'm not going to take it; I can always find something better.

@@2256jimmy Paccar did not use the fan on strategy. On Cummins, it's a feature that can be enabled, or disabled.

Sinister.Shelby, You're a smart man.

Cummings is the only motor cat used to be right in there but I will only drive trucks with Cummings engines

If you want to work a full 5 day week buy 7 trucks with MX engines and you might complete a full week

@@4321grp He is a smart man but just not smart enough to buy a Chevy instead of that 13/14 GT500 that looks like Z06 food.

Both dealerships kenworth and peterbilt service mgrs told me without hesitation 2 avoid paccar mx engines!

I am waiting to see a CAT with common rail technology, It will be great

I’m a cat engine person too

Some people swear that if you delete the MX13 they become 1million mile engines.

i assume those are imperial gallons? 4.5 liters vs 3.875 liters. that makes a 20% difference. Still good though. overall highway speeds are higher here in the US, 70mph vs 62mph in Europe.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lazy mechanics hate the pacar. Mechanically, the pacar dominates Cummings. It does take longer to work on a pacar. But they break down a fraction as much of a Cummings with 600k miles on it.

Had a Fitzgerald glider with series 60. Great power. I used howe’s fuel treat. Half bottle each side every other fill up and she was smooth!

Def isn't a paccar engine issue. The def system is the same on a paccar and the x15. It's a peterbilt or kenworth item.

Whoever told you this shit is has no idea what he’s talking about. Paccar owns Peterbilt and Kenworth. You can not buy a Paccar engine and drop ship it to the factories.

@@justins7867 why not ? Have you been to an assembly plant ? Wealthy business people operate at a different level than what most people do. Just because Paccar owns Peterbilt & Kenworth doesn’t mean it’s one business. They are all separate business entities. The long time fleet manager at Western told me about the engine supply deal. He doesn’t BS !

The highest rating of the MX-13 is 550 HP. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLSgh6Vlnb64qJc.html

Exactly.

Your not making money with your truck in the shop. They all have issues.

@@david_onthetrail unfortunately it’s just all too common, I’ve found Cummins to be very inefficient when dealing with warranty issues

Keep an older truck or glider kit

Cat deisel

@@michaeltruscott9443 parts availability

@@michaeltruscott9443you’re you know what

My mechanic has 2 paccar in the shop for 3 months trying to get a fuel pump.

@@kennethdurden880 I hear you. Left out of comments the mechanical issues with the Paccars only because I'd say the engine itself is good but the components have definitely had issues. The Cummins definitely I think have had overall less issues.

Yeah DAF is king of comfort and finesse. No fancy stuff just does it's job. Sensors and head gasket issues aside.

Scania over Cat any day. Ain't gonna lie Euro trucks come out the gate with plenty power. (VOLVO/SCANIA750 HP out the gate.) Took Cummins and Freightliner 2 years to get 605 HP out the gate.

Well said.

should i buy a used 2019 579 with paccar engine , 300,000 miles , automatic, 40k right now? or look elsewhere , thanks

@dk-ku4tc My truck is a 2017. I bought it in 2019. I believe it was around 500,000 miles. The sticker price was $46,000. In the plandemic, the value of my truck went up to $100,000. It's good to see the truck prices come down again that was ridiculous. It's totally up to you if everything checks out okay. Transmission shifts good engine is good, and there are no other issues with the truck it's not a bad deal. Just make sure whatever you're hauling, there's good money to be made. The trucking industry wasn't doing so well. Brokers are price gouging hard in 2022 and even at the beginning of this year.

@truckerraven.8906 I already have a volvo 2016, and I do haul consistent freight(flatbed) at a decent price and was looking for a second truck to put a driver on it and I just don't know about paccars because online everyone hates them, but pricewise it seems a steal and iffy so idk

Cummins engine braking is definitely the best I’ve experienced. However if I could trade my isx15 for a c15 I would in a heartbeat. The new Cummins engines seem to be designed to make Cummins money rather than the truck owner.

Well said thanks I have worked on them at Kenworth of pa they're truly a piece of junk

I couldn't of said tht any better

You may need less time working on a MX-13 by using metric tools.

@Alex S fuel economy

@Alex S you know paccar owns kenworth? Along with Peterbilt also

Have you had dropped liners yet?

Wow you took the words right out of my mouth. I hate all the new junk.

Just keep that American peace of shit I take the scania 16.4liter v8 with 770 horse power

You’ll save over $100 per day running a newer engine because of the mpg difference

@@izabellamay9841well not if the 60 series is in a Columbia.

We haul 62500 kg b trains with the mx13 with no issues. Pulls that with ease everyday.

@@wjmautomotive most American operators don't even know what a Scania V8 is.. but I do think our old Mack E9 is a predecessor and shares much of the DNA with those older Scania V8's.. the Cummins is an emission motor and literally uses the same after treatment system the mx-13 does, everybody has to meet the same emissions standards and I think they are just as strict as if not even stricter than Europe's emissions standards, there is however a certain amount of people that still refuse to run any Emission engine, there is still a huge and loyal caterpillar Enthusiast Market in the tens of thousands... a lot of guys keeping older trucks going and some people even swap an engines in newer trucks for Caterpillar power.. a lot of these guys tune and know how to build for big horsepower.. it's common to see thousand and plus horsepower trucks out working everyday..

Replace that pulley, I carry a spare. You can get them at FleetPride or any dealer. I use the aftermarket one, big name, same one Cummins sells in their box. It is easy to replace, don't wait for it to fail, as it will make a mess when the belt melts and shit starts flying. I think I paid around $70 for the one I have in my sidebar. They used to be around $30...

So does daf the mx13 is a daf engine if you support American economy buy American Cummins is American paccar or daf is not

Get ready to drop a liner around 500k

Nothing like a good old n14

@@skullydon1558 I agree!

@@skullydon1558 Great motor until the main bearing caps fret

That is the air compressor.

@@michaelwright1602 I’m talking about the hammering sound when pulling. The air compressor is loud but only when actually compressing air.

Well, the only reason an ISX throws a rod through the block is a failed wrist pin, which is a possibility at the 800,000 mile plus range. Many owners fail to even do the lower end bearings, that should be done at that 800,000 mile interval too. Also, the crankshaft damper, Cummins recommends replacing at 500,000 miles, as the viscous fluid in it hardens over time, that could be the issue. When they fail, they do blow apart, and there is no way to test them, best to replace. What RPM is the motor running at when you hear this hammering? If you are lugging it under a load, below 1400 rpm, especially when pulling, you are more than likely beating the hell out of the liners. How many miles on the motor, your service intervals and gear ratio.

@@michaelwright1602 I’m not taking either side. I’ve driven both and am currently in a 579 ultraloft with a 455mt mx and I’m very surprised at its performance. This little motor has a lot of heart. But when it takes a shit a 12.7 will be taking its place. I don’t like any of the new motors. I like cats followed by Detroit series 60. The reason for going with a 12.7 in this truck down the road is that I’m not wasting a cat on a plastic truck.

Do you have an explanation why DAF Trucks is the number two in Europe for trucks > 16 tons already for decades and the problems you American truckers seem to have with the MX-13? In case the American Trucks are way better, then there would be a significant import in Europe.

I had to have the head replaced, two new injectors,turbo, EGR cooler, DPF & DOC, etc. at 475k miles. Hella expensive. I wanted to swap to a Cummins at that point.

@@47rintin1 Them DAF not pulling 80k lbs