I hear you, medical system, kill more than it fixes, I no longer go the the doctors. These people are never held to account. Big pharmaceutical companies rule. The fear that is generated is almost beyond belief. Taking control of my our health and learning not to fear is the answer. I have never been well since. Wishing you all the best. I follow wim hoff he has helped in many ways.

Sorry as me too and another thing you get perma ringing in ears when on them so bad your never same again

We believe you. We got this

I believe you because I had the same experience. Some people have it even worse. I used to work with a woman whose brother was prescribed Paxil for depression. He had a psychotic break and killed his wife and then himself, leaving their daughter orphaned. The wake of destruction behind the antidepressant train is massive.

I believe you 💯 These meds are dangerous imo and NO ONE should be given them!

They don't care. It's chemical lobotomy. It's easier to talk about your "medication" and change that than it is to talk about circumstances, problems-- and changing them.

The most disturbing thing is that MD's do not understand the withdrawal from benzo's hellish suffering. I was on 12 mg of ativan for 30 years, now on Clonopin 1 mg. Is this going to work? It has been barbaric torture and no one how this pushes one to suicide. I get it!

@@annesulentich296 Ride it out.

​@@annesulentich296Let me ask you something, why did you start taking them in the first place? And looking back at what you know now, do you regret ever beginning to take these medications?

I read Peter Kramer's Listening to Prozac not long after it was published, that was early to mid 90s. And I knew from the very start that there was something not quite "ringing true" for me about how these new "miracle" pills were being pushed (and yes im using that word intentionally) but then again I've always been the skeptical kind. And I've always understood that these "mental health" issues are much more complex than just an individual's so-called "illness." A pill is not going to fix things that often have a much more global and systemic genesis. These meds are what any other substance people choose to use to self-medicate, they just happen to be legal and dispensed by an "approved" legalized process. But at the end of the day, we are putting substances in our bodies, in this case substances that affect the most complex and critical organ in our body in ways that we don't even yet fully understand. What could possibly go wrong with that idea? And then a year or two after Dr. Kramer's book, I read Dr. Breggin's Talking Back to Prozac and from that point, I knew never to consider using any of these meds. I have continued to read and study this issue since. To this day I have yet to see any persuasive argument to justify the way these meds are being used in the medical field. They are handed out like they are candy with little regard to the consequences. The medical profession -- at least in theory -- is supposed to be guided by that "first, do no harm" idea but in practice, the reality, at least here in the US, is that ideal often gets lost among the pursuit of less noble goals. Sadly, it is not just doctors and the medical profession that is keeping this cycle going, seemingly still with not nearly enough opposition. There are imo way too many patients who do not question anything, who are perfectly happy taking their pills because that is "easier" than dealing with their mental health issues by getting at the real causes, as opposed to symptom suppression. That model -- symptom suppression vs. looking at the core issues that are generating those "alarm bells," aka symptoms -- is faulty to begin with. But in a culture where escapism and a religious avoidance of any difficult or uncomfortable reality is the overwhelming goal, numbing ourselves with whatever newest chemical the pharmas come up with to fool our brains into believing we are "better now" will continue to be pushed as the way to go.

No test ever developed and administered for diagnosis. Just on the whims of a white coat with a script pad.

@@MajICReiki Did you know in Australia 93% of all psychotropic drugs are prescribed by a GP? What a joke.

For iatrogenic Tardive Dyskinesia!

The chemical balance line didn't ever make sense to me either.

@@alannamarohnic4722 I went to a counselling college from 2005 to 2009. No one questioned it. Not a minute of learning was spent on withdrawals.

Because they get money and in kind for promoting

He knew. He DIDN'T CARE.

@@tatie7604 Just filling a job slot!

Yes. It explains my own reactions. It's informative to see and it is clear the effects of SSRI's.

I was a bully in high school, and I ended up being bullied later on. Experence is the best teacher.

thank you for this info!

I called his Ithaca office today - about his Center for Emphatic Therapy!

They are too lockstep with Freudian ideology and what is lucrative - hubristic! / They must be issued new Guidelines - so patients will be able to develop cathexes!

Neurotoxic drugs cause Disassociation!

Gosh so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine anything so horrible as losing your son after a long battle like that. God Bless. I’m sure one day you will be reunited w him in the afterlife.

I'm so sorry ❤.

Organized Crime "helping people," by pushing them into Triage modeled custodial debasement, then corralling them as cash cows!

Akathesia is torture plain and simple.It was used by Soviets on dissidents.What is scandalous or even evil is that it can be helped to a great degree by a simple addition of anti-Cholergenic drug,at least on a short term basis.

😂😂😂❤

👍👍👍👍👍

Indeed

They would probably argue that they don’t have depression the medication would be not only ineffective but would cause side effects and is unethical to take a medication when you don’t need it I’ve seen this question posed on Reddit under psychiatry

I actually ,on my second visit, to the phychiatrist told him "I'll tell you I'll keep taken this drug if you take it for a month, got up and said so long".

Dear Jackie, there are many people in Benzo (and other drugs) withdrawal forums who are asking about anything that might help during their tapper. They are desperate and your info would probably help a lot. Please share to them. Thank you ❤🙏👍

Thank you for also talking about this 🙏🏻

Ms. Krieger; When I was on Risperdal (via court-order)!back in 4/1996, I developed severe uncontrollable movements of my jaw (made it look like I had a dislocated jaw). Bc of.the court-order that put me on Risperdal, I was gvn Cogentin 2 counteract the uncontrollable movements.

Then how did the patients get off clonidine? This is a crime what we do to humans.

@@georgiabessie U betcha. More often than not; it's how other people (mis)handle & (mis)treat us that result in mental health conditions. They r a.k.a.: TRIGGERS!!!!!! Un4tun8ly; the mental health system (i.e.: psychiatry, "behavioral health/medicine") consistently refuses 2 recognize the ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS that contribute 2 mental health conditions. Bc of the closed-minded mentality that the mental health system predic8s itself upon; the "chemical Imbalance" philosophy still perme8s & it's been proven (despite past squelchings) that psych meds r NOT EFFECTIVE "TREATMENT" RE: mental health conditions. Counseling/psychotherapy's very effective (only as long as the REAL ISSUES r properly addressed/resolved w/o judgment by the therapist). Sometimes; that's much "easier said than done".

Ride it out. Reality is better than fantasy.

​@@tatie7604thank you. I've been clean now for 11 months. It is SLOWLY getting better. Still struggling with akathesia. ❤❤❤❤ thank you for your comment. I totally agree.❤

How are you feeling now?

100%. I had crippling social anxiety that I self medicated using alcohol in social situations. Now I've done enough exposure therapy with tapering amounts of alcohol that I'm basically always sober with very little anxiety left. So glad I never tried the psych meds instead despite them saying "don't self-medicate, get a professional to help you", as if psychiatrists know what these meds can do to us or even care 😂 its a joke

"Good meds" via positivist assertions of Mental Health operatives!

Refering to your statement "..in everyone's interests, but my own." In this discussion it is labeled as the psychiatrists and MDs being "defensive". The point they have a defensive reaction, should tell them what they need to know about their own positions and biases. I am beginning to see that level of cognitive dissonance, professional delusion.

I see myself in your story. I realized after 10 years of psychological drugs that they were making me worse than better. And I realized that after years inside the psychiatric practice. I was then a medical student who wanted to pursue a career in psychiatry, but by the end of med school I realized that I had NEVER ever seen an withdrawal process. Just more and more drugs. I decided I would start with me and deprescribe myself, and the last drug I was taking was also Venlafaxine. I quitted and it was really hard but the journey overall had taught me so much! It inspired me to help other people do the same and get through this hard experiences acquiring knowledge and empowering ourselves and others with tools to better deal with life. I’m happy to hear your story

Never heard of doctor Mengele? Why do you think the mengeles are gone? Perhaps they made you suffer so long, so that you may become a saviour of those little children being drug-abused by them right now. Think about it. Give your life meaning.

​@@classicinvestmentwatches676wacko

Mr. Wardle; I became psych med-free over 7 yrs ago (since 1/1/2017) after 30+ different psych meds over 44 yrs (starting w/Ritalin @ AGE 4 in 1971; my DOB: 7/20/1967). I'm 56 & as a4mentioned; I was prescribed Ritalin as a 4 Y.O. in 1971 due 2 ADHD (then called "hyperkinesia"). Prior 2 my 18th birthday in 1985; here's amongst the other psych meds that I was on as follows: Mellaril (@ age 8 in 1975) Thorazine (@ age 10 in 1977) Haldol (@ age 11 in 1978) Triavil (@ age 14 in early 1982) Elavil (@ age 16 in 1983) Trilafon (also @ age 16 but in early 1984) Again; the overall list of psych meds prescribed 2 me is actually 2 many 2 list but the last 2 psych meds that I.was on was Zyprexa/Olanzapine & Depakote (from 2008-2016). Long story short; the cumulative adverse effects from psych meds made me feel suicidal. Becoming psych med-free since has ELIMINATED THOSE SUICIDAL FEELINGS!!!!!! Yes; I still have challenges but @ least I can feel my emotions w/o being chemically pacified by psych meds.

My aunt at 81, and her daughter, 54, both went on anti-D’s, decades ago. Daughter is on benzos too. They are both insufferable, and part of it seems like their use of chemistry instead of emotional living. I’ve never seen anyone say the use of them ruined their parents’ marriage. Fascinating.

@@artandculture5262 yeah, these drugs kill sex drive and cause all kinds of mental and emotional instability… trying to connect with and have a healthy relationship with these people is impossible.. in my experience

​@@artandculture5262did you ever think it was the disease and not the drugs. The brain gets diseased whether you like that or not. I don't particularly like drugs but there is underlying disease in some cases.

@@jamesgem1809 Being sad or not sleeping isn't a disease. That is why most people are put on these meds. There has been a study done that shows ALL school shooters on are anti-depressants. That is NEVER discussed.

@@jamesgem1809 It depends on what "diseases" that u r alluding 2. If u r referring 2 depression, bipolar disorder, & schizophrenia as "diseases"; I disagree w/that notion. Otherwise; if it's physical in nature (e.g.: cardiovascular, pulmonary, thyroid, etc.); then I agree. W/that said; it's been well proven that psych meds do cause/compound mental health conditions.

It is not just in psychiatry and anti-psychotics, etc Read book "Mad in America" back in 2009. Was reading it again in the waiting lobby at my gynecologist in 2014, the Dr entered the lobby and saw inwas reading, assured me i would be seen soon, then asked what the book was about, so I read the cover description, and he looked me dead in the eyes and told me to never bring that book back to his office, he didn't want his nurses asking him any more questions about it. 👋 I should have fired him then and walked out. Did a few years later after figuring out he prescribed the same brand of birth control to over 75% of his patients, had all of the best swag for it, and I wound up with a cyst, in the hospital, and told my pain didn't matter, it wasn't bad enough to require more medical treatment. After I was unable to climb the stairs in my home for nearly 9 months just prescribed different doses of the same medication the gyno was brand loyal to.

"Show me the Chemical Balance Tests!" - Jeffrey A. Schaler

The practice of agapeic love and treating others kindly - is mental health!

My Father was/is always a kind soul. An introvert. He was put on Prozac in 1997. He's been in prison since 1998 for 2nd degree murder. 😥

Allen Francis on T.V. - "Psych drugs cause mass shootings!" {2012}@@frebrd78

@@frebrd78 Psychiatric drugs are known to cause violence.

They don’t care about their patients I have found. They don’t feel bad when their patients suffer the consequences: they justify it, tell themselves it was a necessary and low risk. They don’t live with the consequences

I'm so sorry ❤

Also: Peter Gotzsche, James Davies, Robert D. Whitaker and Peter Breggin!

I'm so sorry ❤

you'd think gender reassignment operations are a clear violation of this

and to first do no harm!!!

Into the biggest trap of becoming a cash cow!

Why do you think so many people are sold on these drugs? My mother is 65. I grew up in a household where you didn't depend on medicine. I didn't really see this as a conspiratorial thing; more of a generational thing. Now every young person (

It's not just young people...I have older family members on antidepressants, etc. I'm sure there are many factors, but what I see is they have trust in the system and the "authorities", skeptical or ignorant of alternative therapies, history of family trauma. I think a lot of people feel helpless or don't know what to do with their emotions, and they see these drugs as their savior, or at least a socially acceptable way to cope.

⁠i think it's a sign of the times but the thing is it really goes both ways. it's like a power trip for the prescribers. put you on, take you off, or just refuse to give anything altogether. it's all about their inflated egos and superiority complex not about pt welfare.

A female pediatrician was giving ECT and she couldn't do her child's elementary homework after ECT. THATS HOW Bad it is

And these dealers

@@singstreetcar5881 ECT was used in WW1!

I was taken off 225mg of Effexor over 3 days. Now polydrugged inc benzo. Brain destroyed.

​@@barnbrac2452say what? That's not safe, who would ever recommend this unless they want you to convulse and seize. It's taken me over 4 years of counting beads and still have one year left to taper after 25 years.

@@barnbrac2452 Psychiatrists should be given Due Process!

What the Mental Health Industry is yet allowed to do to people - also has a very negative effect on the general culture and public weal!

what do you suggest and who would be good place to start to discuss problem with?? i have no doubt they know quite well but how shoukd ppl act to hold them accountable & where should we report it to ?

Call your State's Mental Health office and speak to someone; write a review and mail him a hardcopy; call him back...@@KatieLennox

Robert Whitaker, Jim Gottstein, James Davies!

Well said.❤

Amen

I know my psychiatrist is on SOMETHING. His pupils are always pin pointed and he's SO C A L M

@@doeboy1103 Good 4 u & ur psychiatrist. Trust me on this 1; the psychiatrist will eventually experience adverse effects from psych meds.

@@doeboy1103 I think this is a part of the problem. I think they dissociate. I actually saw an interview from a few years ago with the doctor that I met with after I developed pssd, who said "I never heard of that" and then did NOTHING. In the interview he said that he finds reassurance in the interaction with his patients in that he has nothing to do with the reactions of the patients in front of him - that it's all to do with them. So essentially he has completely separated himself from the social interaction. Very disturbing, sociopathic even. I've met very few health care professional who weren't themselves indeed sicker than myself. But alas my issues were a lot to do with trusting my gut, so I went along with way too much. Never again.

Disease-like Labeling and neurotoxic drugs - so people can be corralled as cash cows!

Hope you come off without too many side effects. How many mg were you on?. It’s good to read i’m not crazy for wondering how the slow tapering with drops could still have such an impact. I was on lexapro for 13 years 20mg, tapered it over a period of +/- 2 years. Had my final 1mg droplet a few months ago. Tapered the pills from 20 to 5mg by 2.5mg decrements with a splitter. And the final 5mg with droplets. I hoped that the blunted/numb/filtered reality feelings would leave after coming off, but i don’t feel that it has improved much by quitting.

@@TAG-1984 I was at 20 mg and now at 0.8mg. I use a compound pharmacy at used to drop 10% but now limited to each tenth with is more. I have noticed it’s a bit rougher so dropping maximum every 2 months for now. It’s hard. Good luck to us,

i was on escitalopram for at least 20 yrs and after they took me off benzos coldvturkey my new provider (np) changed me to viibryd but had me taper off lexapro by taking a half for one wk, then none then start viibryd. i didn't seem to have any additional problems from that just benzo wd from hell. good luck

Same with me😢❤❤❤

Hope you are doing better ❤

idk they'll put you on them but my exp has been they randomly and abruptly yank you off them coldvturkey! or i've had md drs say just cut by half mg one wk then same next week so on until you're off. after taking 27 years!!!

@@KatieLennox Taper slow. I have friends that went through this. I have never seen a withdrawl so painful and protracted. There were Hallucinations, Rage, Anxiety, and illegal behavior uncharactoristic of them. Go slow. Very very slow. Even the Expect signicant unpleasantness, even fine Motorskill impairment, trust of ones own judgement is gone, situational awareness gone, reduced childlike World view, and profound despair and feeling alone, to name a few. All those can come also while on full dose as paradoxal response is common, but only viewed as a persons DISEASE has worsened, Not, the pharma is causing impaired Neurological Function. It is Insidious. The patient loses all credibility labeled extremly Mentally Ill and the Psychiatrists and Pharma remain unscathed. Families Trust and believe the Docs. Unless a person or their Family/Friends recognizes what is happening, the Patient Spirals. Police are not trained to understand what is Happening either.

@@KatieLennox Psychiatrists and many doctors hold onto their status quo - instead of encouraging aesthetic talent training!

Hi Jennifer. I also suffer from occasional panic attacks and the best medicine that helps me is Xanax- since I have it I feel much safer as I know that whenever the panic attack gets really bad I can stop it. I am also starting to feel ready for the cognitive-behavioral therapy for panic attacks which is supposed to be quite effective.

@@AlicjaKarolina I can’t find a doctor that will prescribe them to me. I’ve never been addicted to them but I know that it’s addictive but it’s frustrating that I can’t get any at all, my panic attacks have gotten worse and not sure what to do. I’m glad you’re feeling better I think therapy can possibly help me too. I’m also trying herbal teas and remedies..

@@AlicjaKarolina my doctor doesn’t prescribe it but I have an appointment for an online doctor that does. 🤞

Raise your ferritin levels and vit d

2nd Degree Assault or worse!

He's in denial

@@drcrispyjohnson2242 absolutely! No need to defend criminals.

Yeah, in denial. They are inable to stomach all the harm that they cause. The psychy needs to protect itself at all costs. Imagine being actual a decent person and have to face the harm that has been done with your help... suicides, lives wrecked, pssd, brain damage, mass shootings. All because you let yourself get brain washed in university. Those realizations could cause suicides and that's why the psychy protects them from those truths. Survival instinct. Kind of psychosis. Imagine being psychotic and trying to treat people with psychosis... eh, yeah. That's how I see it.

@@kareendeveraux1847 doctors are the dumbest people on earth, brainwashed by pharma marketing departments for decades. They act like they have special knowledge and behave like they are the high priests of medical science.

I feel sorry for him. His profession is a scam and he can't come to terms with it. He is a dr and see how badly his own profession treated him, image how psychiatry would treat a nobody, someone who has no money or power or influence.

this is part of a huge picture isn't it? I experienced it for the 1st time a few years ago. Millions did. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the pyramid, and the level of awareness at the foot... also the cognitive dissonance as the narrative upholders struggle to keep the rug of their worldview under their feet rather than consider data ( even anecdotal which is after all the basis of any data set and no less valid) with an open mind and alter what they " know" to be true.

Well said!

@@susanmorgan4151 Thank You,😊 had I attempted to write that 12 years ago, it would have been barely coherent. Some recovery is possible!

@@CL-he4jz Jim Gottstein is pursuing Zyprexa drug effects and their research. Pi Podcast 50!

ect is a scary outdated procedure. but we have to remember he's in ireland im not sure how progressive they are but it doesn't sound like they are! The UK is superior!

As for psychiatrists, what other function can the perform if not with their script pad? Their entire medical education and career relies on that one skill. If they come to realize there is a madness in their professional process, I realize how daunting that could be. They must be able to remove themselves from the pride of title, to humility of their professional intentions. I am grateful today to see some who have come to a clearer understanding of this, and can discuss the dysfunctions within their field of practice.

@@MajICReiki They accept DSM disease-like labels verbatim - and then tinker around!

Numbness, overheating, sweating, tremors so bad I can’t write my name or enjoy my art, my anxiety is elevated, I’m active and eat well yet continue to gain weight, quick to pop a circuit and worse, my friends say how hard it is for them when I “don’t take my meds “. I stoped and slowly started to feel alive. I had severe moments of depression but I’m alive and thriving. Meds have been hell.

@@catherine2533 Thank you for sharing this

I must add that my doc was involved with the process. Earthing and mindfulness is a constant practice

Most of them, not all I think. It's incredible what USA society tolerates. Tens of thousands dying in war, by "medical" drugs damage, and modern lifestyle (obesity, depression, anxiety). Evil corporations that own the congress are killing you USA americans. One 9-11 is enough to invade half the world, but all the deaths you auto-inflict to your own citizens are worthless and have no justice. Best wishes.

@@DrAnnBlakeTracy Thank you for your reply!!!.... I have also studied these shootings....but obviously not to the extent you have......I believe a few were also on other psychiatric drugs ...or recently cut off of them.....

Nothing but bold assumptions unless you add sources to prove

@@horstspreu6946 Prove they do not cause mass murder. Good luck to you... once you do some research it will become very clear to you.

I’ve been very curious about this. Can you share a source?

Do you reckon they know what they're doing. I mean, what have they needed to withdraw from? Or is it mainly ignorance? Really bad ignorance?

It goes both ways. Patients don't bother to do their own research. Just trust whatever you're told and never question the so-called authorities. At the end of the day both parties need to take responsibility.

Absolutely you are right

Thomas Szasz was a very good Psychiatric Abolitionist. He worked with Jeffrey A. Schaler!

I been on them 20 years off them 11 years i have not recovered.

After 7 months of withdrawal from 3 drugs including Zoloft, I woke up one morning and told my husband that I knew all the drugs were gone. Hang in there and God Bless.

@@xanthemartin8822 Thank you very much, the doctors just gave me Mirtazapine, but I have given it to my mother so I won't take them.

Hang in there. Life is better on the other side. It takes TIME ....a lot of time.❤

That could be a defensive excusing of familiarty to the field and those in it. I took it more that most do not wish to do harm, but you are correct, it is more of the norm for them to be unaware of the probabilities of adverse effects. As they discussed, most medical texts and articles on medications are funded by a pharmaceutical corporations PR/marketing department. Negative side effects are downplayed if not outright omitted from majority of publication sources.

How dumb do you have to be to not know what you're giving out? It's their job to know, isn't it? Or is it just their job to hand them out?

@kazman_6899 they are taught in school classes sponsored by whom? Pharmaceutical beneficiaries tend to learn from the source of their primary funding.

im confused i live in the usa-midwest area not overly progressive & huge shortage of psychiatrists, so the field is dominated by nurse practitioners and physician assts who literally have ZERO training in meds so they're extremely reluctant to even prescribe benzos and are very conservative w other psych meds-dosages, number of meds, etc. i suppose maybe it should have been this way all along, but the truth is at least for me (i have dx of generalized anxiety do, major depressive do, recurring & tx resistant, & have recently developed some signs of agoraphobia or social anxiety. I also have hx of panic attacks which did not occur until wks after being taken off benzos. I read somewhere in a news story psych drs are evaluated regularly for how many scripts they're writing for benzos & for how long so this has significantly changed their prescribing even when needed and indicated for fear they'll lose med license. so it seems either way it won't work. and the other thing about benzos not true for any other substance- there's nothing to treat wd symptoms , like there is for heroin, opiates, alcohol, & i thougt a couple more. they don't seem to realuze this or they believe that includes hydroxine and buspar. has anyone ever had any success with either of these??

@@MajICReiki Pi Podcast 50, with Jim Gottstein!

do you take them while on benzos or after going off? thanks i've never heard of this. where are youblocated

Give them Due Process!