Sennecke Or Lindstrom At 5? Scout vs Scout - Prospect Talk #52

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The Sick Podcast - Recrutes Draftcast

The Sick Podcast - Recrutes Draftcast

17 күн бұрын

On this episode of The Sick Podcast, Grant McCagg, Rocco Zappia and Shayne Gaumond discuss if the Canadiens should take Sennecke or Lindstrom at 5 in the 2024 NHL draft, the Memorial Cup, the u18 World Championship and more!

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@DKHD176
@DKHD176 15 күн бұрын
Rocco looking like Hockey Jesus with the halo behind him.
@LucMartin-iz6bu
@LucMartin-iz6bu 15 күн бұрын
That's hilarious, I had the exact same thought 🤣
@user-ku8qw8bg8c
@user-ku8qw8bg8c 15 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 yeah straight out of the 60s
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
Even if I admitted to being Jesus, nobody would believe me anyways. That's funny tho, never noticed it but might have to move the clock now that I can't unsee it 😂 Thanks for tuning in!
@LucMartin-iz6bu
@LucMartin-iz6bu 15 күн бұрын
@@roccozappia1284 The effect ain't bad though ... it adds a little mystique to your aura! Lol ... Not like that other KZfaqr who runs Top Shelf Hockey. His background logo makes it appear that he has horns growing on top of his head ! 🤣
@GrantMcCagg-yn4fy
@GrantMcCagg-yn4fy 15 күн бұрын
Hallelujah!
@bobsacamano1274
@bobsacamano1274 15 күн бұрын
Grant makes a really solid case for Senneke. And as an Ottawa guy who saw a lot of Spezza, the comparison with him is on the nose IMO.
@ashleyjardine5199
@ashleyjardine5199 15 күн бұрын
Cole Eiserman seems like he'd fit in nicely with the Leafs always worrying about personal stats not team
@SamuelAtalla
@SamuelAtalla 15 күн бұрын
😂 on point
@arbor-sq4jk
@arbor-sq4jk 13 күн бұрын
hes a born leaf
@FooFahFoeFum
@FooFahFoeFum 9 күн бұрын
On the bench, does he comb his hair with his fingers like Marner??
@russellsmith4195
@russellsmith4195 15 күн бұрын
Great Show Guys
@chrisL1993Hab
@chrisL1993Hab 15 күн бұрын
great show!! No one is talking about a trade down to 7 or 9 and picking up extra 1st. + .. i would not be shocked depending how it shakes out, expect the unexpected!!
@ColonelGreen
@ColonelGreen 15 күн бұрын
Why would another team trade a late first-round pick to move from 7OA to 5OA? And if there's that big a difference, we should be picking at 5OA.
@fubartotale3389
@fubartotale3389 15 күн бұрын
Fat chance.
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 15 күн бұрын
@@ColonelGreen Different valuations/needs. For instance if the draft goes Celebrini, Demidov, Parekh, Lindstrom then a team like Ottawa would probably be really interested in trading up to snag Levshunov before Utah gets a chance to pick him (they both need a RHD), while Montreal probably would want Iginla or Sennecke at that point and both would most likely be there at #7 in that scenario as well.
@quebecgkexellence9297
@quebecgkexellence9297 12 күн бұрын
In the nhl u dont trade down at 5th. It’s that simple. Listen to tony and craig button last video. There’s a big drop after 5.
@MrMrneil1
@MrMrneil1 2 күн бұрын
this reminds me of 'this is why we're pro scouts and you're not', technical mumbo jumbo, vs. a computer was given all the top scorers in Junior, and spat out every famous NHL all star. Demidov is taking perfect to a new level, Silayev is reaching new heights of coordination for a 6'7 teenager playing as a KHL regular, Luvchenov 6'3 RHD is breaking Werenski, Hughes records while learning a new language. These players are building a new ceiling, then there's Catten matching Crosby Bedard Kane numbers, Buium has also shattered those Werenski Hughes numbers, Helenius is only behind Barkov in Finnish mens league all-time well ahead of Rantanen, also Dickinson 6'3 LHD floor is making the NHL first. That 7 players (add Celebrini) that you don't have to 'project' their ceiling, when their floor is record-setting. Yakemchuk 6'3 RHD is also probably easy to develop. You can have Iginla round out the top 10.
@FooFahFoeFum
@FooFahFoeFum 8 күн бұрын
After this show, I can see Martin St Louis wanting Senneke and Jeff Gorton wanting Lindstrom... The debate starts now ... The interviews will determine who gets selected
@francoisbouvier7861
@francoisbouvier7861 14 күн бұрын
Suzuki is a very good two, on a contender. Dach, who knows. Habs need something of an upgrade up the middle, for sure.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
Dach could get there. He has all the ability in the world. Just can't catch a break with his health, it's always something with him. If he stays healthy for 2-3 years in a row and gets a chance to actually develop, rather than constantly having to rehab injuries, then he could be a force of a centerman in this league. Hard to reach your potential when you're always hurt tho. Feel for the kid, he's a great player when he gets going
@quebecgkexellence9297
@quebecgkexellence9297 12 күн бұрын
Suzuki is like 15th in the league amongst top line center. Wtf are ppl talking about when they say : suzuki is a a good 2nd line center ?! Ur on some strong stuff.
@francoisbouvier7861
@francoisbouvier7861 11 күн бұрын
@quebecgkexellence9297 I suppose we'll see when the Habs get back to the playoffs. He'll have at least two more years of seasoning that should be an advantage. Time will tell. Size does seem to be an advantage this year.
@LeMAD22
@LeMAD22 8 күн бұрын
Suzuki est meilleurs que n'importe quel centre des Rangers et des Stars.
@SharksOregon
@SharksOregon 15 күн бұрын
Grant is getting me excited about Sennecke at 14 which is a very real possibility for the Sharks… I’ve been debating him vs MBN and now I’m kinda hoping for Sennecke which is a bit of a flip for me.
@chriswannamaker7930
@chriswannamaker7930 14 күн бұрын
Great show.
@rickroberts5401
@rickroberts5401 14 күн бұрын
Great show as always guys. I like both of the players that you did your analysis on but I wouldn't be surprised if Kent Hughes picks a right handed defenseman and trade for a high end winger...
@tylerlussier1896
@tylerlussier1896 11 күн бұрын
No chance Habs take a D in this draft… Kent Hughes already said “all things being equal we would take a forward” If Lindstrom, Demidov or Iginla are available all things would be equal… Levshunov will be gone by 3, Parekh will be there at 5 but Iginla, Lindstrom and Demidov have just as much or more potential than Parekh and the same goes for Yakemchuk… Only way the Habs take a D is if Levshunov is there but he’s gonna be gone by 3 ESPECIALLY if he’s there for Anaheim because they have already said RD is their priority this summer… Iginla and Parekh are close to the same potential in my opinion when you compare their physicality, Skill, Goal Scoring, Skating, Passing etc… Lindstrom and Demidov 100% have more potential than Parekh.. Habs need 2 Top 6 forwards, They will draft one and trade for one.
@Exoseven
@Exoseven 15 күн бұрын
Has a habs fan, I won’t cry if Lindstrom is selected at 5th, but I prefer Sennecka, he had a good progression. I like Mccagg analysis.
@charles6180
@charles6180 14 күн бұрын
According to some mock drafts Demidov could fall to 5th. If that is the case debate is over.
@Exoseven
@Exoseven 14 күн бұрын
@@charles6180 I was answering the question at 1:06:08 which between Sennecka and Lindstrom you prefer.
@quebecgkexellence9297
@quebecgkexellence9297 12 күн бұрын
Thats ‘’ WHAT’’ is a piece of history right here !!!!
@BillalAbdelmalek
@BillalAbdelmalek 15 күн бұрын
question for you and Grant would you guys be down to come to Oshawa next season? i would love to meet you guys, i normally don't watch podcasts but you and tony's i watch all the time. it would just be nice to meet you two
@Mr_Spock512
@Mr_Spock512 15 күн бұрын
Interesting debate.
@HabsTypeBeat
@HabsTypeBeat 15 күн бұрын
You can dream about the high upside, but raw player all day.. if they don’t hit their ceiling, and odds are they probably won’t, you’re left with a bust. Take Lindstrom or Iginla.
@maxpatenaude2115
@maxpatenaude2115 14 күн бұрын
100% my thoughts too. I don't gamble at 5th overall. If they really want Sennecke, they would be stupid not trading down, because Sennecke will most likely be available around 10th overall especially with all the good dmen in the top 10
@nateshenner18
@nateshenner18 13 күн бұрын
Bingo. You reach for raw toolsy players and you end up with guys like jankowski and kotkaniemi
@pllapointe-vezina6650
@pllapointe-vezina6650 15 күн бұрын
Grant is emotionnal haha
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
That's why I'm in charge of comment replies 😂
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
Personally, I see Lindstrom more as a PowerForward winger (in the mold of a Brady Tkachuk) rather than a center (for what that’s worth 😅🤷‍♂️)
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
I could see a world where it shakes out that way. If he becomes like Tkachuk the team will be happy regardless of what position he plays
@nicktsirmbas3637
@nicktsirmbas3637 14 күн бұрын
Best show on youtube
@sheldonhughes3166
@sheldonhughes3166 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke for me
@dasherman5150
@dasherman5150 13 күн бұрын
The purpose of a scout is prediction. I think that Grant is basing his opinions of Dach primarily on his talent and potential while Rocco is focusing on past performance. Grant makes a very convincing argument for Sennecke. The factor that I assume neither Grant nor Rocco have over the Canadiens' scouts is insight into the prospects' attitudes and maturity.
@mikeking9696
@mikeking9696 15 күн бұрын
If 2 dmen go 2 &3 then that means Demidov and Lindstrom will be available at 4&5! To solve the Lindstrom/ Senecke issue, let’s just grab Demidov at 5 lol
@arbor-sq4jk
@arbor-sq4jk 13 күн бұрын
good stuff
@mikeking9696
@mikeking9696 15 күн бұрын
I hate to say this but what McCagg is saying seems logical! Watching Sennecke highlights is wow compared to Lindstrom! Maybe this guy is going to be a good one!
@maxpatenaude2115
@maxpatenaude2115 14 күн бұрын
Tkachuk is not a "wow" player, but at the end of the day what do you want on your team ? A flashy player or a big bad boy with grit and pretty good skills in the playoffs
@dominiclaporte8040
@dominiclaporte8040 12 күн бұрын
@@maxpatenaude2115 Did you not listen to anything McCagg said? Senneke is dominant in the playoffs.
@QRM00
@QRM00 14 күн бұрын
I think Chicago likely goes Levshunov. Following the team, every credible source has been debating between Levshunov and Demidov. I saw a bit of conversation around Lindstrom, but that significantly quieted down after the lottery. Silayev is a name that I have only really seen mentioned by outside sources.
@user-superf
@user-superf 15 күн бұрын
was fun to see thebig G almost losing it when Rocco downplayed Dach... lolll
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
I don't think liking Hintz and Wyatt Johnston ahead of Dach is downplaying him at all. I do like Kirby Dach, was a massive fan during his Draft year I thought he had #1C upside. Things just haven't gone his way, and after 5 seasons in the league and your career best is 14G and 38pts, that to me isn't a demonstration of "Cup winning top 6C" ability. The potential is still there and lots of big guys develop slowly (Nichuskin as one example) but until you've shown it, you haven't shown it. Tough to tell me he's better than guys who have shown it at least once. Even Josh Norris, more goals in 2021-22 (35g in 66gp) than Dach has over his entire career (33g in 212GP). I don't think it's a slight at Dach to like players more who have produced objectively much better than he has.
@user-superf
@user-superf 14 күн бұрын
agree with most u said Rocco ( on chat and on ur reply)... you do a great job... but i did feel that some of your comments on the chat was... a bit downplaying him.... :) I took it as you pushed the envelope a bit to bug big G loll I would for sure do it... Say that Senecke will prob be a bust ( just to tease big G) lol
@JohnnyJMurphy
@JohnnyJMurphy 14 күн бұрын
Habs fan here, the habs lack goal scoring above all else. My thoughts were draft the best goal scorer available and trade a young LS dman and the later 1st for the best scorer they can get. All that being said i dont know if Eisenman is the best pick at 5 i think Lidstrom and Iginla are better choices but its down to those 3 for me
@1898JoeBoyle
@1898JoeBoyle 12 күн бұрын
Good thing Rocco keeps his emotions in check, or else this podcast would go off the rails :)
@zblip22
@zblip22 15 күн бұрын
We don't need another Josh Anderson. We need finesse and TALENT. Seneca all the way for me. He will thrive with talented players. Imagine him on Kirby Dach's line.. ouch.. This guy can feed talent players and create amazing plays, but mostly, he will be killer in the powerplay.
@jeansebastientlebreton
@jeansebastientlebreton 13 күн бұрын
Dach is our press box center indeed
@losarrazin
@losarrazin 15 күн бұрын
Damnn I wish we can draft Demidov or Levshunov at five (MTL)
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
Likely both are gone, but there's a way it plays out where Demidov is there. Just need Columbus to like one guy more than him and he's probably yours for the taking. Chicago may take him 2nd, but they really could use a D so we will see how it shakes out!
@samspade4050
@samspade4050 15 күн бұрын
The reason to pick Sennecke is because the way he played after he got used to his size growth that tells me he is nowhere near his potential and I think he is going to end up being the best player from this draft
@starledge
@starledge 15 күн бұрын
I think Marinaro quoted a stat recently ... that over the years the #5 pick has the highest success rate in the top 10.
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
@@starledge Better than 4th, but not best of the Top 10 😅 1st OA is 1st best. Then 2nd OA is 2nd best. 5th OA is close to 3rd OA
@starledge
@starledge 15 күн бұрын
@@moviestoshare813 I think Marinaro was talking over time. The #5 spot has the lowest failure rate, is more likely to have a successful career than the rest. In other words, the fewest duds at #5 over time.
@tylerlussier1896
@tylerlussier1896 11 күн бұрын
@@starledge Tony said from 1990 to about 2019 the 5th overall pick ends up playing more games than 4th and 6th…
@starledge
@starledge 10 күн бұрын
@@tylerlussier1896 Thanks!
@dekumyheroacademia9324
@dekumyheroacademia9324 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke more likely Pick around #9 to #16 and should not fall any further.
@brianchandler9698
@brianchandler9698 15 күн бұрын
Kreider is that the same player the Habs passed on to draft LeBlanc?
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
Ya but he's from QC, can't pass up the local boy!!
@mr.nihilz3283
@mr.nihilz3283 14 күн бұрын
Get over it.
@michelleblanc6377
@michelleblanc6377 13 күн бұрын
@@roccozappia1284 And then shut up the French Canadians for years while we have Bergevin and Timmins pick up anything under the sun besides talent coming from Quebec and then we can say that at equal talent we pick up kids coming from Quebec. The situation got so bad that there were more francophones players with the Lightning than with the Canadiens( Yup a guy named Julien Brisebois that was trained by the CH and called upon by Steve Yzerman was able to find and raise Quebec Talent to be competitive enough to create the latest NHL dynasty in Tampa Bay). Actually the Lightning was signing undrafted talent while the Canadiens could not do it. After that they could use Leblanc as a scarecrow as to why we should not draft local boys. Dear Rocco I would like to remind you that in 86 and 93 were the last years that we had so many francophones on the team. I think those were the last two years that we actually won the cup. So if it served us that well back then maybe we should try to get them because they actually have talent and not just because we can use them to talk the language and sell shirt to the locals. Next time you barf on local talent think about what others were able to do with that local talent while the CH was unable to find it and develop it. It is not because it comes from USA, Finland, Sweden or Russia that it is better. Talent is talent wherever it comes from but you have to find it and develop it. I am happy that the Canadiens picked up Joshua Roy and it seems to be gelling. The same way I am happy they picked up Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield and Hutson. I am sorry but if you were making the same comments about someone being a specific religion or a specific race. You would be called a racist. I am sorry to have to call you that by picking on local talent because they do not share the same language as you. Leblanc should have been evaluated based on talent and picked either as a 2nd or 3rd rounder like he was ranked by most of the other organizations(I am pretty certain nobody else had him as a first rounder). We managed to screw up two 3rd overall pick in Galchenyuk and Kotkaniemi are we going to make them locals as well because we whiffed on them? The Canadiens considering their history and their origin have a duty to play an active role in sourcing and developing local talent but I think we can agree to disagree on this one. I think if someone like Julien Brisebois at thousands of miles of distance manages to do it I don’t see why an organization like the Canadiens who has said talent in his backyard cannot manage to do the same.
@keungy
@keungy 15 күн бұрын
I gotta agree with Rocco. Johnston and Hintz are both better than Dach I get Josh Anderson vibes from Lindstrom
@filterlessbear9250
@filterlessbear9250 14 күн бұрын
Take Senecke, the size and hands, skating! He will fill out and be even more dominant! I bet he plays center next year in the OHL and dominates! At a skinny 6'3 he was an aggressive hitter wait until he's 215-220lbs! Habs have done great betting on late bloomers, Xhekaj bros!
@mr.nihilz3283
@mr.nihilz3283 14 күн бұрын
Habs need to trade up to 12th to 15th from the Jets pick. I think this should be Hughes' top priority.
@leonassayag5221
@leonassayag5221 15 күн бұрын
If Lindstrom didn’t get injured I would lean towards him. Sennecke is smarter. He looks like Corey Perry.
@user-fx4qb3tg6n
@user-fx4qb3tg6n 15 күн бұрын
Word on the street is Grant mckagg himself could be available at 5 man what a pick.
@jjgab1672
@jjgab1672 13 күн бұрын
People are sleeping on Berglund!
@davidrobinson4119
@davidrobinson4119 15 күн бұрын
Who has the greater chance of being a bust- Sennece or Lindstrom
@goradhen
@goradhen 15 күн бұрын
About Dach, we all know he's a gem, great guy for the team spirit too. Strong, fast, mobile, puck protection/control, zone entries, cycling, back checking, shot aint bad, hands, great vision, range, versatile. Plus his skating reminds me of Petry's which I don't dislike watching. I want to see this for fun: Slaf-Dach-Armia Xhekaj-Mailloux
@halion50100
@halion50100 15 күн бұрын
I hope Eiserman falls to Detroit. Elite goal scoring winger is what we exactly need to draft.
@mikegravel5310
@mikegravel5310 11 күн бұрын
Some people say xhekaj to calgary for the 9 pick i agree
@brendanaucoin
@brendanaucoin 14 күн бұрын
Moving up will cost and we have lotsa' D and trading Roy is a loss so trade Matheson and keep Savard as our veteran. but a large forward seems likely. We have Suzuki at 210 lbs, Dach, Slav, and Armia on our fourth line. Priority is not size. A play driver like Catton would add more to the TEAM concept and a need for variety. Catton has it all and needs weight which is simple to solve. Catton pound for pound is the best forward in the draft and the play driver will add more to the TEAM. Size is easy to find but a solid play driver will win hockey games. Lafleur, Richard, etc were all under 6ft but were Giants and were play drivers. We cant pass up on this opportunity. Pick Catton! Sennecke and Catton but for me Catton is my pick !
@terrylarson7596
@terrylarson7596 15 күн бұрын
I think at this age it is easier improve on strength and stability for Senneche than it would be for Lindstrom to develop his dangle ability. They are Both tall and have reach which is a plus for both.
@starledge
@starledge 14 күн бұрын
Reach is correct, will transform the team. Watching Slafkovsky and Mailloux on the boards together in the last game of the year - a glimpse of the future.
@chriswannamaker7930
@chriswannamaker7930 14 күн бұрын
The habs dont need another Jish Anderson and I think Lindstrom may be that. Senece may be the guy.
@maxpatenaude2115
@maxpatenaude2115 14 күн бұрын
For me it's pretty simple at 5th overall, you pick either who's left of Lindstrom/Demidov, and if they are both gone, you take a really good consolation price in Tij Iginla. Thats it. You can't go wrong with any of these kids. I have my doubts with Sennecke, he was only just over a point per game this year in the OHL. I know he was very domimant in the playoffs and the size and silky mitts and all that but I'm a bit worried at picking a "very" late riser at 5th overall, reminds me a lot of KK where he was picked 3rd overall and everyone thought KK had a "heigh celling". I don't gamble at 5th overall, i go for the highest floor in Lindstrom or Iginla over Sennecke. For me there's no debate. If the Habs think Sennecke is their guy, they ABSOLUTELY need to trade down a few ranks to get him, there are too many good quality dmen in the top 10 that I'm pretty sure Sennecke would be available at the 9-12th overall spot
@tylerlussier1896
@tylerlussier1896 11 күн бұрын
Slafkovsky was a late riser… He was around 8th-5th overall for majority of the season and it wasn’t until a couple months before the draft that he joined the conversation at first overall… Slafkovsky was the right pick but he was a late riser… I still agree with you Demidov, Lindstrom and Iginla should be the Habs pick at 5th overall and in that order. If Hawks pass on Demidov for Levshunov and he falls to 5th Demidov should be the pick 100%… If Lindstrom is there and Iginla but Demidov is gone, Lindstrom should be the pick and of course as you said if Both are gone Iginla should 100% be the pick… Iginla keeps getting better and better and better, He’s only 17 years old and is very close to being eligible for the 2025 draft so Iginla Had an amazing season for a 17 year old, His playoffs were amazing and he was probably the second biggest part of Canada winning gold… I don’t think we can dismiss Sennecke, Sure his season wasn’t the best but he also grew in a short period of time and definitely wasn’t use to his new size… I think the potential is there and I wouldn’t be mad if they went with Sennecke IF Lindstrom and Demidov are gone… I really want Iginla to be honest I’m really high on him, But I wouldn’t be mad and I believe Sennecke with the right development could be a great player… My mind is open to it, I just personally think Iginla would fit better.
@JC27813
@JC27813 13 күн бұрын
Taking Sennecke at 5 is lunacy. Maybe 10. Him vs Lindstrom isn't even a debate.
@tylerlussier1896
@tylerlussier1896 11 күн бұрын
Same thing was said about Slafkovsky.
@JC27813
@JC27813 10 күн бұрын
@@tylerlussier1896 by the time the draft rolled around, some scouts had Slaf at #1, so I don't think it's a good comparison. I just don't think Sennecke is the right pick at 5.
@user-ku8qw8bg8c
@user-ku8qw8bg8c 15 күн бұрын
Yeah I'm taking seneca! To much upside ! His hands are excellent!
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 15 күн бұрын
Nothings screams intimate knowledge of the player like not even being remotely close to spelling his name correctly. :D
@user-ku8qw8bg8c
@user-ku8qw8bg8c 14 күн бұрын
@@bajjanitor listen good spelling is sometime a phone mistake my phone has 4 languages programmed into it ! I've been watching hockey for over 50 years ! Let me guesse your a Toronto maple laugh fan ! 😆😆
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 14 күн бұрын
@@user-ku8qw8bg8c Mhmm. The guy that can't be bothered to type his own words have sat down and scouted players from a couple different junior leagues. Surely. And you're sincerely wondering if I cheer for the Maple Leafs, not a deflection at all! :)
@user-ku8qw8bg8c
@user-ku8qw8bg8c 14 күн бұрын
Look don't who you are don't care ! You go on ! Have a good life ! I couldn't care less ! Hockey is hockey it takes character and skill and not a fucking genius to figure it out ! Go bother somebody else kid ! I was just putting an idea out there not looking for a hockey Karen!!
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 14 күн бұрын
@@user-ku8qw8bg8c :)
@starledge
@starledge 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke fits into the rebuild perfectly. They need to fix right wing on the 2nd line. They don't have anything after Caufield and they need to get bigger on right wing. Lindstrom is the true power forward. He could cause a reorg of the top six. It looks like they need Sennecke but will want Lindstrom. Tough choice.
@leonassayag5221
@leonassayag5221 15 күн бұрын
Good opinion 👍 But I think it’s the opposite; the smaller size Caufield will be better on a second line and Sennecke is 1st line RW. I have a feeling that Habs are trying to deal with New Jersey for their 10th. If they can pull it; they’ll pick Lindstrom at 5 and Sennecke at 10.
@starledge
@starledge 14 күн бұрын
@@leonassayag5221 I don't think it matters where they play Caufield now. They have 3 years to fix the top six. It will take that long for the D to get the experience. Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher have a combined total of 3 NHL games experience. Xhekaj has only played 95 NHL games. Guhle, 114. It's going to take years before they are ready.
@leonassayag5221
@leonassayag5221 14 күн бұрын
@@starledge Caufield and potentially Sennecke are your top RW’s then… there’s no mystery, right? With Sennecke they already have 5 out of 6 already in their chair.
@starledge
@starledge 14 күн бұрын
@@leonassayag5221 They have at least 3 years to fix the top six. Caufield is part of the rebuild. Currently he's a top six right winger. The other right winger is ...? Open.
@royanderson3478
@royanderson3478 13 күн бұрын
Celebrini and Demidov. The rest are any kind 😇
@fubartotale3389
@fubartotale3389 15 күн бұрын
LOL! What makes you think they'll be there? I can see the Hawks taking Lindstrom.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
He'd be a much needed addition of size in their top 6, for sure. Wouldn't shock me, players with his stars and abilities are pretty often top 3 picks
@hawke7408
@hawke7408 15 күн бұрын
Senneke all day long
@swgolf8174
@swgolf8174 13 күн бұрын
I like sennecke more than lindstrom but understand the high floor of lindstrom
@DS-hs3qp
@DS-hs3qp 15 күн бұрын
I would take take Roope Hintz every day over Suzuki.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
I had no idea it was even up for debate. Silly me 🤷 gimme Hintz all day, and while you're at it I'll take Johnston too, he might be the best of the bunch when its all said and done
@habinations
@habinations 15 күн бұрын
it would have been better imo if one guy picked a fw and the other a d .
@galkanftw
@galkanftw 13 күн бұрын
I can only assume that yet again all people do is look at point production.I watched a few games with Sennecke and I don't see why people think he is a future star imo he is a good skater but very average hockey skills.This is what happens when playeres are better skaters they can find lots of holes at the junior hockey level that won't exist at the NHL level. The glaring thing I don't like about Sennecke is that he gets rid of the puck very quickly it is like he is afraid to carry it. Another player that is very similar is Logan Stankovan of Dallas yeah I know he was also a great point producer and has done decently in the NHL but Dallas has a deep team so he gets quality linemates on any line he plays.Stankovan is like Sennecke not an impact leader someone who can elevate an average line and turn it into a great line he is like Sennecke more of a fill in player that needs quality around him for him to succeed.
@Rick-ew1iw
@Rick-ew1iw 13 күн бұрын
I agree Wyatt and Rope definitely better than Dach. I feel a little habs bias here.....
@henneburymarc
@henneburymarc 7 күн бұрын
Sennecke at 5 is a ridiculous discussion
@ericpierrebolduc3447
@ericpierrebolduc3447 15 күн бұрын
What about Danny Brière bluffing about Michkov to hopefuly discourage gms from drafting Demidov?
@SamuelAtalla
@SamuelAtalla 15 күн бұрын
There’s no way he can’t get ahold of him. I call bs
@deuceb8472
@deuceb8472 15 күн бұрын
It's Lindstrom for me...doubt Sennecke goes top 10 even though he is still an impressive prospect.
@Dcheen
@Dcheen 15 күн бұрын
I don’t see it with Sennecke at 5. Also throw in there the character concerns. Have heard that he’s a head case. Albeit, Lindstrom also isn’t a sure bet due to injury concerns. Pick might be Iginla.
@plrt6794
@plrt6794 15 күн бұрын
I’ve seen Sennecke play 30 or 40 times live, never heard anything about him being a headcase at the Tribute Centre and that would get out. He’s made huge strides in the last 18 months and he’s also sprouted up in that time. But Lindstrom is the far better prospect at this time plus he’s an absolute beast.
@doom1354
@doom1354 15 күн бұрын
@@plrt6794 I've also seen him live a bunch stud player but I mean I'm not sure if I'd say he's 5th overall level if they could some how trade down to like 9 or 10 and pick him up while maybe getting some other asset that'd be decent.
@mcwaller123
@mcwaller123 15 күн бұрын
It should be between Lindstrom and Iginla imo. Sennecke will be available later, Habs can trade up their late 1st for him but I’d rather see them get Cole Hutson with that one.
@kingcaru2904
@kingcaru2904 13 күн бұрын
I doubt we need two players who play like Lane
@mcwaller123
@mcwaller123 13 күн бұрын
@@kingcaru2904 He could be the best player available and if he becomes as good as Lane and both reach their ceilings, I don’t think it would be an issue. However, guys like Basha and Parascak could also be available so maybe they’ll take a chance on these guys.
@Jc21112
@Jc21112 15 күн бұрын
I'm picking Sennecke!
@JayRBaxx5710
@JayRBaxx5710 15 күн бұрын
Guys act like Pure Goal Scores come along every draft Mtl can’t have a buncha forwards that are 200ft players sure good to have but we got loads of two way forwards Only one pure goal scorer which is 5’7 Mtl going to regret passing on this almost generational scorer Unless DEMIDOV falls to us at Five
@mrit409proofnotfeelings7
@mrit409proofnotfeelings7 13 күн бұрын
Either one over Iginla
@briandurocher8675
@briandurocher8675 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke
@francoisbouvier7861
@francoisbouvier7861 14 күн бұрын
Is Lindstrom comparable to Monahan or Lindholm? Sounds bigger than both but there all around game is high.
@mikegravel5310
@mikegravel5310 15 күн бұрын
Habs gonna pick betwen iginla or senneke at 5 because sj gonna pick cellebrini,chi gonna pick demidov and ana gonna pick lindstrom
@mikegravel5310
@mikegravel5310 15 күн бұрын
Iginla is not ready before 2 another year and senneke maybe next year i trade for back up and gain young prospect at wing and draft senneke with a 10 or 9 pick
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
@@mikegravel5310 I’ll be shocked if Levshunov doesn’t go Top-3
@charles6180
@charles6180 14 күн бұрын
This discussion is moot given some mock drafts indicate Demidov could fall to 5th. As Rocco said, Dach is always injured so can you count on him? If Demidov isn't available then definitely go for Lindstrom or Iginla. Pedigree counts! We lost out big time with Tkachuk given Bergie preferred KK who will probably be bought out at some point. Rocco, pleased to hear you hold your own versus Grant The Bully. Go Habs Go!!!
@user-ku8qw8bg8c
@user-ku8qw8bg8c 15 күн бұрын
What do you guys think of #5 for will smith ???
@licmysak7842
@licmysak7842 15 күн бұрын
LOL
@ColonelGreen
@ColonelGreen 15 күн бұрын
Why would a team trade last year's 4OA pick for a 5OA pick this year?
@fubartotale3389
@fubartotale3389 15 күн бұрын
Put down the crack pipe.
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 15 күн бұрын
5th and one of the defensemen perhaps, Mailloux at the very least. But teams almost always value their own prospects higher than other teams value them so trades like this never happen.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
I wouldn't take Smith in the Top 5 this year, personally. I also dislike him to an almost illogical level, so take that opinion with a giant grain of salt
@francoisbouvier7861
@francoisbouvier7861 14 күн бұрын
Habs need bulk. Lindstrom. If Hughes and Gorton deek out the fans again, it will be interesting.
@rwl5581
@rwl5581 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke = Rick Middleton hands.
@claudelemay3912
@claudelemay3912 15 күн бұрын
Yes Grant Habs need a winger more than anything else, but the last time Habs selected "on need", they picked Kotkaniemi and what a flop that was. Lindstrom can play both center and left wing and is a safer pick. Just like Kirby Dach can play center and right wing. *But for me, Berkley Catton is much safer and smarter pick, and he would fit perfectly with the Habs type of play. Smart playmaker and goes to the net without fear.*
@jwgibbs44
@jwgibbs44 12 күн бұрын
Berkley is a little guy we have enuf of them
@danmartel2
@danmartel2 12 күн бұрын
He is a defensive liability and doesn’t like to get physical.
@tylerlussier1896
@tylerlussier1896 11 күн бұрын
Habs drafted Slafkovsky because of need… This is a different organization now, This scouting staff have a good grip on talent… Either way the Habs are drafting for need this draft lmao we need a winger, We need a goal scorer, If they pick Iginla, Demidov, Lindstrom, Sennecke doesn’t matter it will be to fill a need… Drafting for need is not the issue, Drafting a player you know does not have potential is the issue and the Habs knew that with Kotkaniemi when they picked him they took a guy with low skill to fill a need… Picking a player with High skill to fill a need is the right way to do it… Like I said the 4 players I mentioned will all fill a need we have but all 4 of these players have high skill and high potential… Habs fans comparing the Kotkaniemi pick when they draft for need is just dumb. Teams pick for need ALL THE TIME but they also consider the players level of skill and that’s why it works… Sure it doesn’t always work but it’s not the “drafting for need” that’s the issue, It’s drafting a low skill guy just to fill a need that’s the issue, Sennecke, Iginla, Demidov and Lindstrom are ALL high skilled High potential prospects…
@jordanhogan6511
@jordanhogan6511 11 күн бұрын
Neither I want Tig Iginla or Berkeley Catton
@Jean_Maurice
@Jean_Maurice 13 күн бұрын
Tij Iginla my choice. Reminds me a lot, for his play style a young Brad Marchand with better shot and less agressive.
@LeMAD22
@LeMAD22 8 күн бұрын
He's doesn't have Marchand's offensive skills though. Imo he's closer to Gallagher.
@littlewormjacob7343
@littlewormjacob7343 15 күн бұрын
Cole Hutson better than Celebrini
@mikegravel5310
@mikegravel5310 11 күн бұрын
Lindstrom 6,3 always injure a big guy like that its sus
@powers1500
@powers1500 15 күн бұрын
Montreal might need a second line center since Dach keeps getting injured...Indeed, they likely need more Lindstrom who is a center than Sennecke, a winger...but talen wise, Sennecke seems to be a better playmaker than Lindstrom. I will let Montreal decide whoever they need the most !!!
@michaelwhiter4308
@michaelwhiter4308 15 күн бұрын
Dach won’t last, injury prone is a huge problem in all sports.
@cecaju9516
@cecaju9516 15 күн бұрын
It’s concerning, but I wouldn’t give up on him yet. Andrei Markov was also injury prone until he wasn’t.
@michaelwhiter4308
@michaelwhiter4308 15 күн бұрын
@@cecaju9516 No, you certainly don’t give up on him. But I wouldn’t pass on Lindstrom because Dach is there.
@QRM00
@QRM00 14 күн бұрын
You can't even reliably pencil him into the lineup. He's a good player who has been developing nicely and has the tools to be great. Injuries suck man
@littlewormjacob7343
@littlewormjacob7343 15 күн бұрын
Florian Xhekaj better than Lindstrom
@Lebowski55
@Lebowski55 15 күн бұрын
Brett Hull was also a one trick pony type guy that couldn't be stopped
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
Good call on that one! Rare company either way
@charles6180
@charles6180 14 күн бұрын
Brett Hull was NOT a one trick pony! Many said Mike Bossy was same yet over their careers there was not much of a difference between goals scored and assists. I was a season ticket holder in Montreal for years prior to moving away and I saw both in their prime. You don't get elected into the HOF for being one dimensional.
@frankhuber9912
@frankhuber9912 10 күн бұрын
So, what if Senecke bulks up a little, packs on some muscle? Which guy is harder to play against? That should factor into the decision...plus, Iginla complicates the issue even further, can't miss pick...as you can see, my consensus is all over the place.
@sylvanmw
@sylvanmw 14 күн бұрын
The take on Lindstrom's playmaking is just ignorant. The reason he rose so high at the start of the year was his big improvement in that facet. His playmaking numbers this year were great. You're forcing an argument here where the only real concern with Lindstrom is his injuries.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
Every player has a relative weakness, and that's his. 19 assists on the year and half were primary and half secondary. Not great playmaking numbers. It's also not to suggest he is "not a good playmaker", simply that relative to his goal scoring ability, size, and skating, his playmaking isn't quite as elite. If he had elite playmaking in his arsenal we are talking about him in the Top 3, rather than between 4 and 8. Yes, he is a better play maker than the majority of the guys drafted well later than him, but we are talking about the Top 5 prospects on Earth for their draft year, and by that standard his playmaking isn't elite by any stretch.
@sylvanmw
@sylvanmw 14 күн бұрын
@@roccozappia1284 His underlying playmaking numbers were great. He had more of a scoring role. And if we're talking about the top 5, nothing in Sennecke's skillet besides his hands are "elite" for that spot in the draft. His production before Ritchie came back was not good enough for a top 5 pick. There's certainly an argument for Sennecke as the 4th best forward but the only reason any GM would pass on Lindstrom for Sennecke is injuries.
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Sennecke never topped 30 but look out he's going to be amazing 🤣
@Lebowski55
@Lebowski55 15 күн бұрын
There is no way that Demidov falls to #5. Keep dreaming Montreal fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Habs should draft Lindstrom if available and if they don't trade their later first. Draft his linemate Basha 😎
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Grant's throwing wild punches now. Rocco steps back jab jab. Grant's on the ropes. His knees are buckling
@Imthemastermind007
@Imthemastermind007 13 күн бұрын
you guys got hilariously terrible information on Michkov
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Grant's mock 1st Sennecke 2nd Sennecke 3rd Sennecke 😅
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Anyone who Takes Sennecke below 11 is on crack 😅
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
Below in the draft, or below as in “6 is below 7“ ? As in a team picking him 10,9,8,7,6,5 or below as in team picking him 12,13,14,15,16 ?
@bajjanitor
@bajjanitor 15 күн бұрын
@@moviestoshare813 Why don't you take a while guess. Did he mean it would be crazy to draft him in the top10 or that it would be lunacy to draft him between 11 and 224?
@lauig
@lauig 15 күн бұрын
There's few things in this tough hockey world that warms and soften a cold hardened heart better than hearing Grant casually roasting Rocco.
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 15 күн бұрын
The internet roasts Grant, Grant roasts me, and the cycle continues Thanks for watching!
@lauig
@lauig 15 күн бұрын
@@roccozappia1284 And i do hope the internet can commend you just as i'm about to do for taking it so gracefully. Loved a lot of your takes in this one, completely agree for instance on where you were getting at with Eiserman, needs to go to a team with a strong dev structure, that can be patient on him and where all attention won't be on him too much. We now know from the interview he's had with Marco D'amico that he's going to Boston precisely to do that, he could've joined Michigan to keep playing the sniper from the same spot every game but he chose BU instead to work on his defense & playmaking. Kid's too much of a show off with a ton of maturity left to gain but he ain't stupid, going to that fine program is the smartest move he could do.
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
@@roccozappia1284 Rocco you’re amazing
@cromagnoneightyseven6951
@cromagnoneightyseven6951 14 күн бұрын
at 5 Catton/lindstrom and move win pick ++ for nygard or connelly
@roccozappia1284
@roccozappia1284 14 күн бұрын
People gotta get off this "Catton in the Top 5" stuff. Ain't gonna happen, he will go between 6 and 15 somewhere.
@lauig
@lauig 15 күн бұрын
Worst that can happen to Grant is for Sennecke to fall unbelievably down to fourteen ahah and then all other rebuilding GMs can also quit and retire as the Sharks would then have An Eklund- Celebrini- Sennecke first line and a Musty-Smith-Haltunen second. (Thank heavens their defense rebuild is like trying to plug off a kitchen sieve with a pair of earbuds)
@elvisisalive2716
@elvisisalive2716 15 күн бұрын
anyone who takes Sennecke over Iggy should be working at a corner store
@moviestoshare813
@moviestoshare813 15 күн бұрын
Okay, Elvis 🤣🤣 Iginla plays like a Brendan Gallagher. What if he turns out to be a Brendan Gallagher, aka : 30 goals, 20 assists, 50 points total per year And Sennecke playing like a Jason Spezza / Drake Batherson / Tyler Seguin, and ends up BEING a Jason Spezza / Drake Batherson / Tyler Seguin… and ends up putting up 70pts a year ? You’d be the same kind of guy the shit on the Habs for not picking Sennecke after he turned out better Even tho you said the opposite pre draft
@elvisisalive2716
@elvisisalive2716 15 күн бұрын
@@moviestoshare813 Iggy plays nothing like Gallagher, nothing at all. Gally is a wreckless twat who is in the NHL by fluke.
@rodneyredcliffe2718
@rodneyredcliffe2718 15 күн бұрын
If you can't pick the russian player at 5th then they should pick Coal Yzerman :) then trade their second frist round pick to Chicago for their 2026 first round pick
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
You know that song. I lost my crack pipe. I know who found it 🤣
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Grant throws a left Rocco blocks comes back with another right 😂
@TrendyTopiques
@TrendyTopiques 15 күн бұрын
Awww Rocco knocks out Grant and helps him up and gives him credit for taking his punches 🤣
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