Sequential Take 5 Poly Synth review - Sonic LAB

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Sequential's new poly synth with an analog heart - the Take 5 offers us the chance for proper analog VCOs and analog VCFs (Prophet 5 type) in a five voice compact form. It's also relatively reasonably priced at around £1090/$1499.
To save space, the pitch and mod wheels are set on the top panel with a 44 key F to C keybed with aftertouch. The build feels pretty good with nicely firm and consistent knobs, rotary encoders and backlit switches.
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00:00 Intro and overview
04:10 Oscillators
08:39 Filter
11:11 Calibration
12:29 LFOs
14:37 Some presets
18:10 Vintage knob + more patches
20:10 Drive
20:47 Envelopes and more patches
22:35 Sequencer
23:21 Mod Matrix
24:47 FX
26:10 wrap
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@hairyhunk44
@hairyhunk44 Жыл бұрын
I love that you point out the limits with all the units you review, Get those surprises out of the way.
@fjfrancois
@fjfrancois 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks nick, I been waiting for the Take 5 Desktop.
@dstrats
@dstrats 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this amazing demo. Learned a lot. Bought my Take5 as a first time synth player. Had to return it to Guitar Center due to a pitch wheel prob. Hoping the next unit won’t have that same prob. The synth is still pretty new, so the bugs have to be tweaked. That said, this is an amazing synth to my ears. I was in between a Moog Matriarch and the Take5. Huge diffs but I felt the Take5 was a great intro to the synth world. Again, thanks for the very in depth demo. Learned a lot!
@SynthgodXXX
@SynthgodXXX 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to get one, they do sound good for sure!
@pirated8557
@pirated8557 2 жыл бұрын
So been using this in the studio for about 6 weeks now. Fantastic instrument . Nuff said .
@MichaelRohaly
@MichaelRohaly 2 жыл бұрын
A fine review as always and thank you.
@pizzagogo6151
@pizzagogo6151 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick, it’s a very, very good thing 😁 finally feels sequential are actually listening to what the market wants. Ok I don’t like the short keybed ( or the silly name) and it has a few limitations BUT seems great compromise & relatively small penalty to get your hands on this fantastic sounding, well specified synth : most importantly at an affordable price (for a change) . Well done to Sequential, they deserve to sell a mountain load of them!
@OscillatorCollective
@OscillatorCollective 2 жыл бұрын
I owned a Prophet 600, and this release kinda feels like the modern version of it. I loved my 600, it’s what made me personally love the Sequential sound.
@ImFigure
@ImFigure 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love mine!
@jasonmoyer
@jasonmoyer 2 жыл бұрын
If you want to FM the filter from OSC2 without hearing OSC2, you need to send it to the mod matrix via the FM1->2 button on the panel, then just keep the level down on the panel and set your modulation up with the matrix. IIRC, I haven't played with it in a few months. I know you can definitely do it, and the FM button on the panel changes the way OSC2 can be used as a mod source. Edit: Ok, I double checked, if you have the FM button lit it will remove VCO2 as an audio source and you can use it in the mod matrix however you like, and the level knob just acts as a shortcut to doing OSC2->OSC1 FM. If the FM button is not lit, then the level of OSC2 attenuates how much modulation is available in the matrix from OSC2 but it will also be audible. If the FM button is lit, then OSC2 is sent to the mod matrix with no attenuation and isn't audible. It's confusing.
@JorbLovesGear
@JorbLovesGear 2 жыл бұрын
This is correct! I had to stumble on it to figure that out
@LlewynDaviesTheThird
@LlewynDaviesTheThird 2 жыл бұрын
Great review
@Dudderlyful
@Dudderlyful 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this! Woo
@purrsnickety8269
@purrsnickety8269 7 ай бұрын
Bought this Synth the other day and couldn't be happier with it. I have only had Monophonic synths in the past(Minibrute/Grandmother/MS-20) and now I have a Odyssey and this synth blows all of those away(Grandmother Is amazing though) this Synth does everything I could ever want and I've barely scratched the surface with it.
@EannaButler
@EannaButler Жыл бұрын
What a great synth. Love it. GAS hasn't been this strong for a good while. Thanks to Dave Smith for bringing this with him ❤
@BioSoftStudios
@BioSoftStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Nice unit, I was actually torn between the take 5 vs the mopho x4, i ended up settling with the mopho x4 since I enjoyed the sounds from your last mopho review
@edmundgrimes6566
@edmundgrimes6566 2 жыл бұрын
I’m stuck in the exact same position.. x4 can go to 8 voices in future, brings you to the same price as Take 5 🤷
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 3 ай бұрын
❤ REV 2 ❤
@PORRFNK
@PORRFNK 2 жыл бұрын
Loooove this synth
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one, Nick. One on these T5 found its way in to my possession just before new year and I've been playing with it everyday since. I did a live stream ( on my profile 4am Space Guitar) with a modified a preset. I always learn something new from you. I had no idea that holding the Unions\Glide buttons opens the menu. :) I just love it. It inspires new ideas every time I touch it. I'm not a keyboard player, but the T5 has really inspired me to learn more. BTW I found a Gator hardcase : GTSA-KEY49 that appears to fit perfectly.
@HustonSingletary
@HustonSingletary 2 жыл бұрын
I love this synth and find it a super special unit, separated from the rest of the pack. It has to be played and worked with to realize that. I'll never quite understand the gripes with keybed length, lol. (Forest for the trees). Hope you like some of my factory presets Nick, "Echo Flex" and " is one of them". Great and detailed review on a great synth.
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
That Echo Flex is cool, couldn't find the second one you mentioned. Good work Huston.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
couldn't agree more. most underrated synth maybe ever
@visisydandthevoid
@visisydandthevoid 4 ай бұрын
I love watching Nick explaining synths to me.
@moogme
@moogme 2 жыл бұрын
In the Debug menu you can overwrite the factory patches bank with the user patches bank.
@alanshewitt
@alanshewitt 2 жыл бұрын
Can the split/drop-octave setting be saved with the patch? Seems this would be desirable in a performance environment.
@entropybentwhistle
@entropybentwhistle 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed on some earlier reviews people thought it weird that the keyboard started on F. I guess they haven’t seen a Minimoog Model D before.
@omniphoriusvcf907
@omniphoriusvcf907 2 жыл бұрын
Korg monologue starts on E if I remember correctly. And of course the little known Steinway Grand starts on A.
@benelux365
@benelux365 2 жыл бұрын
Nor a lovely Casio SK-5
@stinkypete9070
@stinkypete9070 2 жыл бұрын
very cool As an aside; i hope they add a wooden side extra addon
@sarahhey8654
@sarahhey8654 2 жыл бұрын
49 take 5 = 44 keys 👌
@Dudderlyful
@Dudderlyful 2 жыл бұрын
😯 I think you've cracked it!
@hoagy_ytfc
@hoagy_ytfc Жыл бұрын
Better than my theory (which isn’t real, I just came up with this nonsense at random) which was that the 5 meant “0.5”, ie half an 88-key bed 😊
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
Surely, it’s just, “Here, take 5 VCO voices, guys!”
@caleykelly
@caleykelly 2 жыл бұрын
Great meat and potatoes poly! The market is so competitive right now, but if this came out even 5 years ago, it would be a show stopper. I'm excited to see what comes from their collaboration with Novation. Hopefully we see some new groundbreaking synth like Sequential has done in the past; the last time they took a chance and pushed the envelope was the Prophet 12 IMHO.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 3 ай бұрын
What envelopes do they have left to push?! Hybrid? (An updated P12?) A monster VCO Poly? Fully digital?!!! (A first for Sequential, at least). A Poly PRO 3 seems the obvious/natural progression … I wonder whether anything like that is in the works, at all … ?!
@caleykelly
@caleykelly 3 ай бұрын
@@kierenmoore3236 I personally am interested in granular synthesis and feel there is fertile ground for an interesting synth there. With the resources that Sequential have, they could do something very interesting.
@erlendmagnussen8922
@erlendmagnussen8922 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds good
@Oceans_Resurrection
@Oceans_Resurrection Жыл бұрын
hello, I have a problem with the Take 5 that I received yesterday. the stereo delays do not work. For example, the first delay, simply called delay, is stereo. But if I plug my headphones into take 5 or if I listen to my speakers, there is no stereo. Do you have any advice for me? I said that the synth is set to stereo and not mono in the global menu.
@oscargrouch8888
@oscargrouch8888 5 ай бұрын
I bought this synth and have a used prophet 8 , it’s a very fun synth I don’t know how it compares to an actual prophet 5 but has some great sounds for Depeche Mode / new wave sound and works nice in a mix with other synths midi together
@ciatangallaghe2485
@ciatangallaghe2485 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that ye give the price.
@iApAchy
@iApAchy 2 жыл бұрын
It is possible to have PWM that tracks the keyboard if you assign LFO 2 > Osc 1 Shape then Note Num > LFO 2 Rate.
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
If someone (including Nick himself) could give a video tutorial on getting PWM on the Take 5, I'd cue it right up.
Жыл бұрын
knew about most of the secuentisls and dave smithes but went in to the music store today to buy a controller and a drum machine and the staff was occupied so i saw this one started to fiddle about and fell in love 😢
@dos5gw962
@dos5gw962 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it filtered over the high frequencies? I miss the spectrum graph so hard on this review!
@aquaticborealis4877
@aquaticborealis4877 2 жыл бұрын
I bought an Argon 8 for the compactness, especially with the keyboard. But this is a step up with extra keys, and has a different (probably nicer) sound. They seem complementary.
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
Argon 8 - Digital Wavetable Synthesis Take 5 - Analog Subtractive Synthesis. Apples and oranges?
@aquaticborealis4877
@aquaticborealis4877 2 жыл бұрын
@@Claidheambmor Yeah I get that. That’s why I said complementary. I think the Take 5 sounds more pleasing though. And has 7 extra keys. But costs a fair bit more.
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
@@aquaticborealis4877 ah gotcha, thanks for clarifying. I like the Argon 8 as well, sounds massive and has a well laid out panel. I'm not a fan of the Prophet sound for my own music but they are super classy.
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 2 жыл бұрын
13:45 yeah I like that kind of talking filter vibe too
@joluhuag
@joluhuag 2 ай бұрын
21:19 "Let's listen to how snappy than can be. (*SNAP, SNAP, SNAP*) Pretty snappy!"
@adognamedshinji
@adognamedshinji Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great review, Nick. Seems a bit strange that one can't overwrite the factory presets, if I understood correctly. I bet it's a fantastic synthesizer though, and I'd certainly be happy to get my hands on one myself. Curious that VCO 2 can only modulate the filter when it is up in the mixer. I wonder if Sequential can somehow change that in firmware
@Lucas-np3ru
@Lucas-np3ru Жыл бұрын
I have just bought one. Quite excited. First thing I am going to do is clear all the user presets and put some masking tape over the FACTORY button. Best way to learn.
@adognamedshinji
@adognamedshinji Жыл бұрын
@@Lucas-np3ru that's awesome! How are you liking it so far? Can you confirm whether or not the factory presets can be overwritten? Cheers 🍻
@Lucas-np3ru
@Lucas-np3ru Жыл бұрын
@Daniel Dragos I bought it recently but I work overseas so I won't actually have it for ages. First real synth, I've used Reason on the laptop for many years and made some interesting stuff but I'm getting sick of overusing computers.
@delscoville
@delscoville Жыл бұрын
If they made an SE model like the Pro 3, I might just have one now. But the Pro 3 won me over for several reasons. Choosing an synth for mostly bass and lead sounds, so polyphony wasn't as important. But having the 3 VCOs (2 analog and one digital with wavetable), three choices for filter, four envelopes, etc. It just gave me a lot more room for creativity. But if someone is looking for a tight polyphonic, I can easily recommend the Take 5.
@untml
@untml 8 ай бұрын
poly pro 3 could be great, but expensive
@johnpenguin9188
@johnpenguin9188 2 жыл бұрын
Like the big chunky knobs going on, the price ain't all that bad... But, y'know I don't need it or any other gear 😀
@oraz.
@oraz. 2 жыл бұрын
Prince would have rocked out on this thing.
@slipknotboy555
@slipknotboy555 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, Nick, but just saying - it is an analog synth. If everything in the audio path is analog, it's analog. Plenty of analog synths, including some vintage ones, use things like digital LFOs and envelopes (which is fine, and the former actually better, imo). But I get you just wanted to be clear. It's cool they were able to put out a good VCO poly at that price
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
It’s not an all analog path - it doesn’t even have a VCA. The whole back-end of the synth is always digital; even without any FX engaged. That’s different to the PRO 3, which has a VCA and an all analog signal path.
@downpatmusic
@downpatmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Much more timbral possibilities and interesting sounds out of my Pro3 even with its 1 voice limitation (3 voice Paraphonic). Wish Dave had released a 5 voice version of the Pro3 but I guess that would be too pricey.
@emilyschmanks
@emilyschmanks 2 жыл бұрын
that low split is really interesting
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
It works really well in practice.
@semephor
@semephor 2 жыл бұрын
Also he doesn't cover it here but you can select the exact note which note where the cutover happens.. e.g. A4. It does not have to be C
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible actually... No-one expected Nick to do a split, but for him to go right from a cartwheel into a split deserves the word "Incredible"! I forget the timestamp, but you couldn't have missed it, and I'm replying to another post about it, so he obviously did it.
@ronrobins3513
@ronrobins3513 2 жыл бұрын
If you really want to hear what this synth is capable of Mike Pensini does a really good demo.
@PavolBrezina
@PavolBrezina 2 жыл бұрын
Mike makes everything sound incredible. For example i laughed what review did Johnson from Jamieoquai. Complete trash and he even selling those unusable presets.
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
@@PavolBrezina I listened to his jam right before buying mine. Agree!!
@billybartcody3591
@billybartcody3591 2 жыл бұрын
My brother's had a Take5 for a few weeks, swears by it - says he loves the way it cuts through his modular mix. I'm going to grab the Pro3 myself, being from the Vince Clarke school on these things (I enjoy fubbing chords on monos with multiple tracks and different voices). I'll sacrifice the polyphony for the sheer fun of the Pro3's sound-sculpting, much more advanced sequencer and mod matrix. I hated the knob design on this Sequential range, but they've grown on me. Even that orange filter ring.
@waynesilverman3048
@waynesilverman3048 2 жыл бұрын
What u mean fubing ?( mixing) and slicer ?
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
Same-ish. I
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
@@waynesilverman3048 I believe they mean making chords on monos with some out-of-the-box thinking. :)
@billybartcody3591
@billybartcody3591 2 жыл бұрын
@@waynesilverman3048 either by having another synth play the missing notes in tandem while recording, or by laying down the missing notes in a second pass. It can be time-consuming, but it yields some interesting results.
@PaulBoos
@PaulBoos Жыл бұрын
This feels like the modern version of the Multitrak (while not being like it at all....) in that it is designed to be a bit lower in price with a unique blend of useful features.
@brandonbanks32278
@brandonbanks32278 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P #DaveSmith
@isabelfuentesnar1
@isabelfuentesnar1 Жыл бұрын
A beginners question.... Who do you get the sound out of the synth from an amp, monitors ??........ which ones?.... thank you.
@isabelfuentesnar1
@isabelfuentesnar1 Жыл бұрын
@Noel Leon Bluetooth to where?
@robappleby583
@robappleby583 Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if they had done a six voice version of the Pro 3 instead (obviously without paraphony) with a 5 octave keyboard.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
The PRO 6 … ? That would be killer!! We may yet see it, one day?! 🤷🏻‍♂️
@ninjakbly
@ninjakbly 2 жыл бұрын
Take 5 owner here. It's a shame because I think some of the limitations (shorter keyboard, memory) are the result of Sequential having to compete with themselves. Still a wonderful synth though.
@francisco7177
@francisco7177 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see them do a bigger version of this synth, maybe a take 12 with 5 octaves and 12 voices that you can stack and split... probably won't happen though
@mitchelstephen7536
@mitchelstephen7536 5 ай бұрын
Call me crazy, but I like it's sound better than the Alesis Andromeda.
@LaminarSound
@LaminarSound Жыл бұрын
Can you play chords in the sequencer? Or is that only single note steps?
@untml
@untml 8 ай бұрын
it is poly
@noiselabproject9659
@noiselabproject9659 2 жыл бұрын
This seems pretty cool ...... although I found the name offputting ............. I think some fanciful name like Vortex 5 or even ask Rick Wakeman to come up with a name again would have been better ............... and ............ RIP Dave ............... you were/are a Legend
@evryordnryprsn
@evryordnryprsn 2 жыл бұрын
Is this recorded straight in or are we hearing the sound with room noise?
@sonicstate
@sonicstate 2 жыл бұрын
Direct as all our reviews are. Nothing different about the signal path with this one.
@thesrabbit
@thesrabbit 2 жыл бұрын
Sounded off to me as well, almost like a small amount of reverb or some other effect was on.
@nathankirklambo1986
@nathankirklambo1986 2 жыл бұрын
I hear it too. Almost like a really short reverb. I think it sounds nice and three dimensional
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
This is an intuitive and nice-sounding synth. It's just a bit of a shame that it had so many features cut compared to other Sequential synths, to price it as their version of an "entry-level" synth. In particular, the small patch storage hurts. But it sounds really good, it's dead simple to use, and the limitations are mostly just inconveniences.
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
5 voice is to low for Me, I need minimum of 8 voice.
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
@@HOLLASOUNDS With reverb and/or arps, the voice count doesn't matter as much. But yeah, it'd be nice to have more voices. I like Sequential and I have the predecessor to this synth (Pro 3), but I'd happily choose a Hydrasynth instead of a Take 5. It just does _soooo_ much more.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
the limitations definitely dont outweigh the fact that this finally gives us people who have been debating between the pros and cons of all other affordable polysynths in the last 4-5 years a near perfect, incredible sounding ultra flexible pure vco option. but there are some, like -no 3rd wavetable osc, although the digital sub osc does sound great, esp when using exp fm -no 3rd envelope, no looping envelope function -only 2 lfos, not a huge deal. but they can not be set to "one-shot", which kind of sucks -i think the overdrive is digital. it sounds really good but i would prefer Peak style analog drive -no multi-mode filter -fm function could be a little more straight forward, maybe no dedicated knob at all, just activation button for mod matrix(?) -extra voice (or 3) would be cool but not necessary -certain functions that should be knob-per-function on the panel are in the program menu, such as lfo reset, unison settings, and filter keytracking amount -patch storage makes me furious. i wish i could overwrite the factory patches at least. i ran out of space very quickly. with a synth this massive, you need as many slots as you can get for saving all the insane shit you create you really cant complain at this price, especially with that sound. but i'd happily pay more for a straight up polyphonic pro 3 with more patch memory
@ToyKeeper
@ToyKeeper 2 жыл бұрын
@@christdolphin69 Yeah, from what I can tell, almost everyone was wanting a poly Pro 3. But instead of aiming high like that, Sequential aimed lower, resulting in something which is nice but also kind of disappointing. The Prophet 5 and Pro-One made a matching set. The Prophet 12 and Pro 2 made a matching set. Now there's the Pro 3, but no equivalent Prophet to go with it. It seems like a pretty obvious hole in their product line, so I wonder if it might happen sometime. Me personally though... I'm pretty happy with just a Pro 3 and an Akai Force. The two devices are plenty for my purposes, and I doubt I'll ever run out of new things to try on them.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
seriously the best synth there is. best sound, most flexibility of any synth of this caliber of sound. just unbelievably versatile and rich, warm, incredibly syrupy
@nathankirklambo1986
@nathankirklambo1986 2 жыл бұрын
The best there is? 🧐
@jamesdefrancesco7765
@jamesdefrancesco7765 2 жыл бұрын
Hydrasynth.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdefrancesco7765 pshhhh i actually own the explorer, used to own the desktop and it is nowhere near as good as the take-5
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
@@nathankirklambo1986 best there is in the sub $2500 price range
@nathankirklambo1986
@nathankirklambo1986 2 жыл бұрын
@@christdolphin69 I can't agree or disagree. As far as an all around portable analog synth with good features, you may be right. However, there are a lot of other great synths that are unique and just as inspiring to my taste, in a similar price range, especially if you look at the vintage market, or dive into the digital world. Some great poly synths I've owned for less than 2k: Waldorf blofeld Polyend Medusa (paraphonic) Roland juno 6 Dave smith prophet 16 Dave smith tempest (yes) Korg poly 800 ($300) Moog opus 3 (cheesy but fun)
@sodiumlights
@sodiumlights 2 жыл бұрын
small company, beautifully made, gorgeous sound, and cheaper than an OP-1. Which would you really use more when making a song?
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
5 voice is its biggest problem.
@modularsamples
@modularsamples 2 жыл бұрын
That's a bit like comparing apples and cabbages, the OP-1 is unique in what it does afaik and is no doubt the result of a lot of R&D, this is a no frills, 2 osc analogue polysynth (Sequential's bread and butter). To be fair, the "split" transpose feature is very cool.
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
@@modularsamples 5 voice is not enough and is this sythersizors biggest weakness. I think if it had 7 or 8 it would be better.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
@@HOLLASOUNDS you feel the same way about the prophet 5?
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 2 жыл бұрын
Damm a little after 26 minutes in, he says, in England, the T5 costs the equivalent of $1500. So, you're saying the OP-1 really costs more than that, in England? If so, that's just hubris. As far as which to use for songs, I guess it depends, but on the hole, the Op-1 would be much easier to take. OP-zed, you could almost smuggle!
@Shred_The_Weapon
@Shred_The_Weapon Жыл бұрын
I am fascinated with the idea that Dave Smith and the Sequential staff did much to reduce the cost of producing Take 5 versus the Prophet 5/10, but they added one thing to the architecture of this model. The classic Prophet models don’t have the mod matrix (that didn’t first materialize in this product line until the P 12 if I’m not mistaken). Whatever is missing from the signal chain of this little beast is more than likely made up for with that matrix. Knowing that his model’s already heavily economizer, I otherwise think it would be something extra special if the sequential staff created Take 5R. As great as it would be having in my own collection another synthesizer with an aftertouch -sensitive keyboard (I currently own 4), I subjectively think a module edition would definitely earn back the investment in designing and building it. Did Dave actually borrow the usage of the mod matrix from Tom Oberheim?
@untml
@untml 8 ай бұрын
The evolver series, prophet 8, rev2 all have modulation matrix, I guess you mean digitally controlled modulation matrix? the analog ones dated back to the arp 2500, maybe even earlier. Dave made the before Tom built synths but the matrix series was the first one I can remember that made the standard of slots and multiple sources and destinations
@Shred_The_Weapon
@Shred_The_Weapon 8 ай бұрын
Thank you,@@untml; I *was* referring to the modulation matrix created via the microprocessor. I’ve always known that there was a correlation between that and a traditional modular synthesizer. I didn’t know that there were virtual patch matrices in all those DSI models, all the same. I just assumed that they were performance synthesizers that echoed the tradition of the Minimoog.
@untml
@untml 8 ай бұрын
@@Shred_The_Weapon In many ways it's better than modular synth based on cable or passive matrixes, you can vary the amount of modulation you send, invert it, send one source to multiple destinations, send multiple sources to on destinations, you can do all that with modular synths but you will need lots of extra modules (attenuators, inverters, dividers, mixers) you can't save the patch to a preset and polyphonic modulation or even true stereo will be very hard maybe next to impossible (and it will be huge) Most of Dave Smith's synths are very complex synthesizers with lots of depth and innovation (except the Prophet 5/10, Prophet-6, OB6, Trigon) . I also forgot to mention the Tetra and the Mopho/mopho x4. check the manuals for the list of sources and destinations, the pro-3 have like 200 destinations if i remember correctly :)
@gbkny1
@gbkny1 27 күн бұрын
Just an observation but it seems that most hit records seem to use the more beefier synthisizers such as the CS-80's, the Jupiters, the Prophet 5/10;s and Oberheim OB 8,X and Xa aelnd the model d. This and the the other lower end synthes seem sought of week sounding, Kinda ltoy like. The limitations don't help either.
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
Sounds thin/bright, for a VCO/VCF synth, to me … Digital LFO, ENVELOPES, VCA/Amps(?), so the entire back-end (after the filter) is digital, as I understand it? Not sure if that alone explains it, or it’s the VCO/VCF chips used in this particular model, as well. I mean, they were working to a price point, and obviously don’t want to cannibalise their higher-end synths sales.
@asynchronicity
@asynchronicity 2 жыл бұрын
No looping envelopes? No looping envelopes?
@michaelpierce3264
@michaelpierce3264 2 жыл бұрын
I think it sounds good it’s obviously aim for musicians that just want that larger than life synth solo or big bass .most people will use it in unison as so
@SirSybian
@SirSybian 2 жыл бұрын
take that
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
nick sounds like hes in a bad mood doing this review, he hasn't done enough research obviously, he is like rushing through it, he gets a lot of things wrong, he barely mentions the advantages this synth has over literally any other synth anywhere near this price range. it has Prophet 6 vcos, Prophet 5 Rev4 Filter, it has actual linear fm in the mod matrix which can be added to oscillator sync (that means analogue fm hard sync'ed to osc1 which you can then use to fine pitch control to warp the shape of osc2 as it modulates 1), a much more versatile mod matrix than any other synth under $2000 which includes sources and destinations not found anywhere else including voice spread, dc, and the fm enabled osc2, it's effects are much better than the rev2 (not sure about the p6 effects), it's drive sounds amazing, and the filter drive is great for cranking resonance without the screeching feedback you typically get. you can do super clean but forceful crystalline fm tones, piano sounds, ultra modern james blake style lush digital sounding brass, crazy powerful gritty bass with filter fm on the cutoff, hazy warbly reel to reel tape sounding fluttery chords, timbres you cannot get anywhere else. if you're like me and want the mind blowing core vco sound with the flexibility to design and sculpt any sound you can imagine with all of the extra processing options like an actually usable flanger, rotary, tape delay, voice spread mod on panning mod destination. master saturation, and morphing fm + osc hard sync, you will not find a better synth. its such a shame that this synth has been this has been overlooked because of people skimming over the basic specs on paper. you will honestly not find a better sounding synth or more versatile analog synth outside of the Take-5 if you like the rev2, try this one. it is so much better and you will be able to hear the difference with a single saw wave plus some filter cutoff. and that's before you get into the fm (not just an "audio mod" knob normalled to the filter cutoff like on the rev2), the morphing sine to pulse waves, and the effects that make the rev2's effects sound like something you'd find on a Zoom knockoff of a Digitech multi-fx pedal
@kliffklass
@kliffklass 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
What exactly did he get wrong? Nick is not a stupid liar no matter his mood. He was overly concise, I concede.
@patcummins1405
@patcummins1405 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like it’s been made for gigging musicians. A simple synth with a nice big sound in a compact size with a decent amount full size keys… I’m liking the look of it honestly
@DoctorJezz
@DoctorJezz 2 жыл бұрын
Bit controversial here possibly, but having sold my Prophet 5 Rev 3 which I was never totally in love with, a while back ... I actually prefer this modern offering over over the icon. If you like the sound of this, don't feel you're being short-changed on the sound *IMHO* ... if you can deal with the keyboard range and can do with less than the new P10 polyphony. Personally I'd buy this ... but that's just me - as someone who didn't need that exact sound. This is a great sounding synth with some limitations which I don't think devalue its core sound.
@semephor
@semephor 2 жыл бұрын
Curious to know why you were never fully in love with the Prophet 5. People rave about it all the time but I have heard mixed things or it takes some time to get used to.
@DoctorJezz
@DoctorJezz 2 жыл бұрын
@@semephor In some ways it could have been great if it weren't next to synths that were simply better to my ears, but even then I was never really drawn to the P5 (or any of its emulations) and only got one because I was offered a good deal by someone who had to offload one in fabulous condition with original manuals and flightcase etc. I didn't like the square wave sounds, never seemed to get a string pad to my taste and always seemed to be turning the filter up to get it brighter. Like no other synth, I found that the tiniest of changes made substantial differences to the usability of the tones I enjoy. The unison and sync was amazing in isolation, but I had a JP8 and OBXa next to it that just did it better (to my ears), and definitely did pads many times better (again, to my ears). And 5 note poly - well people say it created a sound of its own, but I could never get on with that. If the sound was better, I'd have put up with it. Having said all that, it does bass better than much else with it's non-round robin triggering, but I still have a Pro One, so I have that covered. It's only the P5 I'm talking about in totality, the circuitry sounds great as a mono. I'm just someone who always says that things are totally subjective and don't assume you'll like it because people say its classic. I prefer the take 5 sound and that's just me. So there you go! 👍
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
@@DoctorJezz sure thing …
@MELOPSMUSIC
@MELOPSMUSIC 5 ай бұрын
Really i had a lot of analogs (the best known) and i don t know what to think of this take 5....Awesome on bass sounds, very fat, fast enveloppes. But for others sounds....i feel it sounds a bit "nasal" in a lot of sounds, so it s a bit agressive i feel , is it about the filter ? I don t really like how it acts. Perhaps would better go for ob6 in this days..
@nickdestruct
@nickdestruct 2 жыл бұрын
i wouldve probably got one if the price stayed the same as launch. but it shot up a few hundred at the wrong time so meh. maybe one day i'll get one used.
@ChrisP3000x
@ChrisP3000x 2 жыл бұрын
The "overdrive" is post-effects?
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@ChrisP3000x
@ChrisP3000x 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeamHash Well that sucks.
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisP3000x It really doesn't.
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisP3000x Oh no it doesn't
@TeamHash
@TeamHash 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ChrisP3000x Did I mention, oh no it doesn't. I admire your ability to asses some hardware without ever having touched it.
@levia2805
@levia2805 2 жыл бұрын
Does the lower octave shift also shift MIDI?
@Cutbult
@Cutbult 2 жыл бұрын
Tempted to trade in my Rev2 16 for this.... Anyone feeling the same?
@kierenmoore3236
@kierenmoore3236 4 ай бұрын
No. But then, they are completely different beasts. Rev2 is a whole other thing. Take5 is if you need a much cheaper/more compact P6.
@RealityShiftUK
@RealityShiftUK 16 күн бұрын
Strange I can get similar sounds from the blowfield
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
It's a bit chunky but I like it, looks substantial, does it make sounds I have never heard before, it doesn't seem so, I have a Navation peak and I dont want a whole lot of sythersizors, I think there has to be somthing super stand out. It looks great and is a quality item.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
yes it makes sounds youve never heard before. it has exponential analog fm. the peak doesn't even come close to this thing. but maybe if you're a peak fan, there's no saving you
@atozee1500
@atozee1500 2 жыл бұрын
There is one thing that bothers me. It is said "based" on a prophet 5 filter, so it's NOT a prophet 5 filter correct? The Pro 3 is "based" on a prophet 6 filter, so it's NOT a prophet 6 filter is it? See where i'm going? Can someone please clarify this?
@iApAchy
@iApAchy 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've seen in pics where someone's opened up the T5, they both use the SSI 2140 chip (which I guess is the Rev1/2 filter in the P5/10 Rev4). The one in the T5 has bass compensation so it doesn't lose low end when you turn up the resonance.
@evanwyatt9971
@evanwyatt9971 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently it’s the very same chip from the prophet 5, however I don’t know about the pro 3… I think they don’t want to take all the ‘value’ of the prophet 5
@atozee1500
@atozee1500 2 жыл бұрын
@@iApAchy Thanks for the reply. There is so much misinformation on the internet makes it difficult to find the truth.
@iApAchy
@iApAchy 2 жыл бұрын
@@atozee1500 No worries at all!
@jasonmoyer
@jasonmoyer 2 жыл бұрын
It's a prophet 5 filter with resonance compensation.
@semephor
@semephor 2 жыл бұрын
I got this synth and am evaluating it... Can anyone confirm the sound of this synth is classic 'sequential' sound, i.e. is it similar to other sequential synths as opposed to other brands? I find the higher frequency get quite muddy and noisy quickly on most patches with filter open. Even when Osc 1 and 2 are in sync. Comparing it to my Monologue XD. Love the pads sounds and mod matrix so far though. Wish they has more pads like patch Orchetype in the factory defaults.
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
This blows the Minilogue XD to kingdom come- now with 256 presets!
@semephor
@semephor Жыл бұрын
@@htechdance yeah I kept it and love it now. Different synth to the XD. The new lo-fi effects is awesome as well
@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur 2 жыл бұрын
Does it have USB or midi?
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
yes, both
@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur 2 жыл бұрын
@@christdolphin69 then this is half a review.
@robertsyrett1992
@robertsyrett1992 2 жыл бұрын
Grey and orange is a weird color scheme, but my goodness that is a beautiful synth.
@Plastic_Ivory
@Plastic_Ivory 2 жыл бұрын
Spacey colors
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
Needed 8 voice.
@smalltown4855
@smalltown4855 2 жыл бұрын
bags of peanut dust and a can of books
@aristotlekumpis7095
@aristotlekumpis7095 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t quite understand this synth. It’s trying to be a mini poly synth but marketed as a bass synth.
@borristhebulletdodger7562
@borristhebulletdodger7562 2 жыл бұрын
You're right you don't understand lol
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
It can sound like anything you want, trust me.
@deadmanwalking6342
@deadmanwalking6342 2 жыл бұрын
Nick fails miserably by not mention Take 5 dont have VCA's instead the analog signal is sampled and the result is a hefty bandwith limitation and a17,5khz roll off, so no analog blizzy high end in the Take 5.
@stuCameraman1
@stuCameraman1 2 жыл бұрын
Dirty! Very dirty synth! My ears popped up when you said classic carpenter. Would have liked to hear the dirty synth sound In arpegggiator mode. Does Aannyone know a shop in London where this would be on display for a fiddle? Would love to have a go for an hour or 2.
@ageshero
@ageshero 2 жыл бұрын
Limited amounts of money, limited space, how does one choose a single proper poly synth.
@PaulGBass
@PaulGBass 2 жыл бұрын
The REV-2 IS fully analogue. It's far more analogue than the take 5. It's just got dcos (still analogue) instead of vcos. The Novation/Sequential budget options are Peak: digital oscs into analogue synth Rev-2: dco based fully analogue synth Take 5 (vco,vcf into dsp synth)
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
everything goes into digital at some point.unless you're printing your synth recordings straight to vinyl without any digital recording. the part that matters is the source of the sound, the oscillator and filter. the actual sound sources
@modularsamples
@modularsamples 2 жыл бұрын
It's fine, I suppose 🤷‍♂️ If we're naming it after classic jazz tunes.. it's more "So what?"
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
I'd spend a night in Tunisia with it
@HornieCow
@HornieCow 2 жыл бұрын
he's not loving it.....
@jasonmoyer
@jasonmoyer 2 жыл бұрын
He didn't seem wow'd by the Pro 3 either, and that and the T5 are easily my favorite synths-with-presets ever.
@eddievanheinous666
@eddievanheinous666 2 жыл бұрын
Luke warm at best XD
@bigmanlizard7326
@bigmanlizard7326 2 жыл бұрын
sounds good but not a grand good to me
@julianhigginson5946
@julianhigginson5946 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm 🤔 fills the not quite as good as a Rev 2 void - you got to hand it to that man he sure knows how repackage 1 idea 💡 -
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
i am boggled by people who keep saying this. obviously have never owned the Take-5. it blows the rev2 away. i use to really like the rev2 but this thing is an entirely different league. it has the p5 rev4 filter, which is clearly much better than the rev2 filter, effects are muchmuch higher quality and actually usable, fm is extremely versatile and can be used as a mod source in the mod matrix so you can osc2 fm and param, voice spread as a poly variable mod source as well as dc, filter out, and others; one mono lfo with audio rates, one poly lfo with audio rates, aux envelope (which doesnt loop, which is the only thing lacking here from the rev2 aside from 3 voices), and it has sine waves (which can morph)
@BenKrogh
@BenKrogh 2 жыл бұрын
Same! I recently sold the Rev2 and grabbed the Take 5 :)
@julianhigginson5946
@julianhigginson5946 2 жыл бұрын
People say it because it’s true I’d say there are more similarities then differences I’ve owned an original pro 1 a pro 2 and Rev 2. Very similar DNA carried on between these instruments- As apposed to say korg that have made a mono poly. - then a wavestate massive poles apart. Dave has without doubt changed less then more. See what I mean kimusabe
@omniphoriusvcf907
@omniphoriusvcf907 2 жыл бұрын
I owned a Rev 2, the filter constantly disappointed, I sold it. I think this filter sounds WAY better than the Rev2. They are quite different synths; Rev2 is a modulation beast with DCOs and Curtis filters, this has fewer modulation possibilities but an arguably better sounding core with VCOs and the Prophet filter. I think it's a genius package and a steal if you need an analog subtractive poly.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
@@julianhigginson5946 i meant people who keep comparing this to the rev2. you wouldnt know whether or not that is true, because you havent owned the T5. its miles ahead in almost every aspect
@Heathcliff_hensel
@Heathcliff_hensel 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great entry level poly synth. However im not hearing anything unique or special out of it.
@christdolphin69
@christdolphin69 2 жыл бұрын
dont blame the synth, blame the rushed cranky review. this thing is the most flexible sound design analog poly there is and its core sound is extremely good
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
Try the Noize Bass or the LiveBass, stack the unison to 5 voices and turn the detune up for a massive supersaw analog sound with overdrive and drive. Name another synth that does that????
@MadelnMachines
@MadelnMachines 6 күн бұрын
I feel the same about pretty much every synth on the market. We’ve been hearing these sounds for the last 40-50 years
@gazfunk
@gazfunk 2 жыл бұрын
Terrible name for a synth. Sounds like a chocolate biscuit.
@FredBloggs919
@FredBloggs919 2 жыл бұрын
… or a boy band!
@entropybentwhistle
@entropybentwhistle 2 жыл бұрын
Dave Brubeck has a sad.
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of the genre of music known as jazz?
@FredBloggs919
@FredBloggs919 2 жыл бұрын
@@Claidheambmor yes but reckon a hybrid synth would be named after a 1959 jazz song??
@gazfunk
@gazfunk 2 жыл бұрын
@@Claidheambmor No, what is this new music of which you speak?
@ChrisP3000x
@ChrisP3000x 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds decent for pads, but for $1500? Nah. Also, the name and the name's font/color is really hurting it.
@jmaeng
@jmaeng 2 жыл бұрын
For a company that sells a Prophet 5 for $3600, this is inexpensive. This is the cheapest to get the Prophet sound until Behringer brings out their P800. I was going to wait for the P800 or a used Rev2 but the early pricing was $1200 for the Take 5 so it was more reasonable.
@ChrisP3000x
@ChrisP3000x 2 жыл бұрын
@@jmaeng Of course it is "relatively" inexpensive. Who gives a ****? My opinion is that the sound and limitations don't come close to matching that price.
@Claidheambmor
@Claidheambmor 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ChrisP3000x Thanks for censoring your swearword, and for sharing your opinion. Have a great day.
@ChrisP3000x
@ChrisP3000x 2 жыл бұрын
@@Claidheambmor That isn't my choice. Have a fabulous day!
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 2 жыл бұрын
A Rev2 desktop can be had for that price, and my old plans to try out a Rev2 remains. I like its sound far more than the Take5's, the Take5 somehow doesn't convince me.
@j.r.g3548
@j.r.g3548 Жыл бұрын
Ok so now I know everything this synth CAN'T do. Heaven forbid you focus on what it CAN do, every feature you went over was like "well it's a shame it can't do ____" or "well unfortunately this can only do ____". Ffs we get it, it doesn't do everything every synthesizer ever made can....but what CAN IT DO?!
@Nonpartisanmusic
@Nonpartisanmusic 2 жыл бұрын
VCO = Virtually Control Oscillator
@essential_listening
@essential_listening Жыл бұрын
I must be tripping, this thing sounds kinda shit. I'm shocked there's any analog components in there at all based on the sound.
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
Nick just plays slow and with no bass. Next time ask him to play Body Electric or Anthem Arp on the Take 5 preferably with the sequencer. I can assure you this sounds a lot better.
@Heavee773
@Heavee773 2 жыл бұрын
This one is a letdown from the rest of the sequential bunch
@htechdance
@htechdance Жыл бұрын
For me it is less than 1/2 the price of the P6 with a lot more features such as a clear LED display and it will actually fit in my closet.
@spacecoyote6646
@spacecoyote6646 2 жыл бұрын
I gave you a dislike because i could not skip the ads
@hannuthyvonen
@hannuthyvonen 2 жыл бұрын
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