100% THIS! I run a Xone 92 with an SL3 and I don't want to buy a different mixer. This is the set-up I want. Glad Mojaxx made this clip. The limited selection of DVS boxes does my head in...

@@dr0n3account34 same here but with an SL4

yep still running a PMC-50a, use it with an SL3 and phase

DJM-600 and SL2 box....and just picked up a Rev1....and makes you update 2.5.9....but SL2 box won't run....so basically my technics 1200 decks and Pioneer DJM600 mixer are being replaced by....a $250 "toy controller"

@@RobinsonBaseball get ready to cry… you will never feel it again…

So much lulz...that "loyal" customers keep supporting closed source for profit companies. Like ffs they don't give two tits about you...go dump your funds into something open source that exists for the community not for some shareholder.

@@gtvwill Too bad though that the one open source DJ software that could even remotely be considered a contender just isn't good enough for anyone interested in DJing instead of DJ software. Try flexible beatgridding or using a jog wheel properly with it. One doesn't exist and the other one is terrible. And let's not even mention it requiring js skills if you want to setup a custom controller properly or modify a mapping.

Totally agree, I would even consider a small fee for an updated driver once a price of kit is discontinued. Hardware can cost 100s of £s and to know that the clock is ticking from the moment you invest you’re cash is a bit kak.

@@gtvwill open source DJ controllers? yeah good luck with that... we all understand that it's business but they are just shooting themselves in the foot in the long run

@@teamloony this seems like the best alternative! charge a small fee for an update/driver to existing hardware, I see it as a win-win for both parties

Yeah and watch how quickly ZERO companies will make hardware and software companies will stop making software for it. You want the government to enforce such rules? Be careful what you wish for.

​@@elephantgrass631 what do you mean by "making software for it"? What does the 'it' part of this sentence refer to? Companies not continuing development of a product is the definition of end-of-life, the calculation being that at this point a company no longer will turn a profit for continuing firmware support. Your comment smells of the typical America-centric laissez-faire mentality where all companies should be allowed to wreak any amount of havoc without any level of regulation, change my mind.

@@DJDiskmachine “wreak havoc”??? 🤣🤣🤣. Calm down bro. Its only DJ gear. You want the government to regulate DJ gear? And I’m not going to try to change your mind just because you think you’re the Crowder of DJs.

​@@elephantgrass631 nope, I want end-of-lifed products to have open sourced firmware, like I said. It's "only dj-gear" that could have utility way beyond the life companies determine they can make a profit from it. Not only could make peoples lives richer for longer, but could also reduce the dreaded mountains of e-waste. Look at products such as the MPC1000, a product deprecated by Akai since well over 10 years has retained its second-hand value due to the continuation of the third-party fw JJOS.

@@DJDiskmachine No dude, YOU want the firmware of EOL hardware to be to open source by GOVERNMENT MANDATE. If you understood with even a clue about game theory, you’d know that you would end up with zero digital products because you’ve just added a ton of risk to making something. Product didn’t work out for any reason whatsoever? TOO BAD. “You are required by law to give everyone the firmware that you spent time and money on. It is no longer yours. Sincerely, the government.”

I'm running Xwax on a netbook from the 00s. The only person making you upgrade is you.

good call. we'd have endless options then.

This is why I won't upgrade to the current version of Serato. I have 2 SL3 boxes and would certainly buy an updated one that is compatible with the current DJ Pro version.

Yup and I still carry my Denon DS1 to every gig!

Not a serato user but surely the answer to your problem is carry a usb of tracks, then if you can’t play your laptop, plug it into the cdjs and you’re sorted. Any club will have some 2000s or better in the booth.

I share your pain…..A reasonably well-built preamp like the one in your Mastersounds will immediately expose the Serrato for the tinny-sounding piece of junk that it truly is.

Exactly This, it's a shame, we need a company that doesn't make controllers to make a DVS box!

very true. venues are getting used to djs bringing gear and its unfortunate because they dont want to compensate enough. they barely want to maintain a budget for entertainment at all.

@@TempaDj You can use any audio card with enough IO.....if you don't use software like serato. Its not the hardware that doesn't exist...its just that companies like serato dont want you using what they don't make profit off, aka serato only gonna work with dvs from licensed hardware because....well no other reason other than serato wants to make fat profit off your back. TBH your just better off supporting software that is less shit on these fronts. Go geez mixxx....if it lacks any funct your after...learn to code or throw some dollars at the devs. If all you kents who wasted coin on the big companies just to get locked into a money pit went and supported shit like mixxx. Serato would be out of business.

I have to point out that a lot of the venues I play, are small bars or restaurant who are not in the position to invest thousands into DJ equipment, nor are the necessary space for a gargantuan DJ mixer (Rane 70 series, DJM S11). That’s a lose lose proposition for the small time DJ. You either ask for more money, or the venue makes an investment. The likelihood of either one happening is slim. Especially because of covid’s affect on tye restaurant industry.

@@anttiskate equipment is tax deductible. And there’s tons of used pieces on the market and payment plans. Some of these spots stop paying for marketing and expect us to market. We are doing a lot more than djing these days. Yes covid is a fair cause, but lots of excuses have always been in play, before the pandemic.

I'm still using SL4 with my DJM909 👍

Buy a refurbed mac that holds whatever os still works with scratch live

So gangsta how they sell you pricey, built to last equipment and then stop supporting them rending everything obsolete. Specially considering the current state of the world it s just criminal!

One of the many downsides to owning a Mac. A trendy laptop isn't necessarily the most functional.

Just keep a laptop with the older os on it. Or I think there's a way to partition different os to load which one you need. I know at least for now you can still get refurbed macbooks from 2013

God is obviously punishing you for using DJ software on a rotary. Unless it is an entry-level omnitronic, why pay the premium for the quality preamp in a rotary mixer if you are going to be playing crappy files?

@@pannonianbrute why the hell do you think you can judge the files he plays? Maybe he plays both Vinyl and Digital releases?

You're not the only one. I keep an older version separately on my laptop, just so that I can use my SL2

what do you use now?

Brilliant points from a specific sector there, that I bet many wouldn't think of - and yep mirroring my think that it's short sighted because the risk for Serato is it means people ditch their eco system.

Great point, they think we're all stupid

So if I have Mojave on my MBP, the SL3 will still work?

I have a Denon DS1 I never used bcs the license which cost me so much is not transferable and i switched back to Traktor. Contact me and we could make a deal (living in Germany).

The 750MK2 would be the perfect mixer for me if it were Serato DVS compatible. Shame it isn’t

@@la_clave I agree

Why not a payfor driver update?

@@yao937 sure many of us would.

donate, ill take them broken tuff times out here. had to get rid of my numark Scratch and a audio tech 1240. i need some equipment to use. i dont care what condition

Looking at the phase web site, they do support Serato DJ Pro. Or am I just late to this announcement? Is there any other universal DVS system?

Unfortunately I don't want to drag MY RANE70 everywhere I go!

So if you have an SL box, and a laptop that it works on why cant you still use it? Why do you need the latest laptop and latest serato version?

@@sc239 due to having to upgrade my Serato to play 3000s

Xwax exists.

Djay Pro and DjPlayer

This is bullSh!t Serato, I have been your customer for 20 years, you started the company as digital vinyl solution, and I understand some hardware can become incompatible, but there is no new hardware to replace it? So vinyl DJs, which supported you through all these years, are now obsolete? Why is there no new audio card to support your software? How is carrying a mixer around everywhere a solution? Knowing about all this discontinued hardware audio cards who is going to buy a mixer that is going to be later obsolete too? They should release a new box or open up the software to be used with any other compatible soundcard. I would buy the new Serato soundcard if we were forced to upgrade, but leaving us without a solution is not how you treat your lifelong customers. I have already started my migration to Traktor, I can't believe how this company has gone so downhill...

There is.... the SL box you currently own, the laptop you have always used, and any Serato version up until 2.5....

Yep but the nuts thing there - no-one is going to go from having an SL box, to forking out for a DVS rane mixer because it's such a HUGE jump in money (and even if they would, rane don't even *make* a 3 or 4 channel DVS mixer - so there's literally no replacement for the SL3 of SL4 in ranes range!). So it's cut their legacy support costs, but it's not going to generate new sales for them like they probably hoped it would.

Unfortunately I think Serato would think what you just said is a positive thing that they're forcing their users to buy new equipment given their relationships with equipment manufacturers

That can t be an option for us turntable Djs

Done get a DS1, ive had 3 now and all broke. Very poor product

Absolutely right!

This ^^^ Big fan of mixxx software for their work in this area. Trying to get mixing out to the masses using anything they have.

@@gtvwill Sorry to say, but Mixxx is absolutely rubbish in the DVS department. The sticker drift and responsiveness is just trash an unusable.

@@anttiskate Yeah It definitely needs work in some areas. But good to see folks at least making an attempt. If we as a community pushed a bit more support behind the project and projects like it we could hopefully improve stuff life that.

@@gtvwill I agree, I definitely think Mixxx has advanced tremendously in recent years. However, the DVS implementation hasn’t gone anywhere, for the same reason as this whole video came about - DVS is becoming a bit niche in the large scale of things.

I changed to denon sc 6000m

Running a Xone 92 and SL3...

That's it! That is the point in which I strongly disagree with Mojaxx: There is only one company that is to blame for this situation and that is only Serato. No one else! Serato could end this within seconds. It is their decision that DJ Pro is only working with licensed hardware. Remove this restriction from DJ Pro and I am sure it would work like a charm with a NI Traktor Audio 6, with interfaces in any mixer - like the Xone 96. If it is really a money thing: Serato could charge for this feature as they do for some special features. But even the Club Kit is restricted to supported hardware! And there can be no real technical reason Traktor works with any interface, Virtual DJ does it, even rekordbox does it - and to be honest I would totally understand if NI and Pioneer DJ would restrict their software to their own hardware. But Serato doesn't sell hardware... Does anyone remember the Pioneer DJM-900SRT? Essentially a DJM-900nexus that works with Serato and costs more. No one can tell me that there was a great difference in hardware - except for other colours for some LEDs and two more phono preamps. The audio interface will be the same except for firmware. Today the DJM-900nexus is listed supported gear and needs a club kit license. For this reason I avoided Serato a long time and I am very happy with Traktor Pro. But on Black Friday 2020 there was a sale on Denon DS1s. I got it for 99€, this was in my eyes worth it to try DJ Pro. And if it had worked with my Xone 96: I am sure I had paid for the Club Kit License just to try it. My Denon DS1 is still welcome as it works with Traktor Pro with no issues an my Traktor Audio 8 had died.