My response to Vettekid My other response to an online video titled, "Elk Castle Shooting Sports: Winchester 7x57 Mauser". This posted four years ago in 2015 in regards to Winchester's new Model 70 bolt action sporting rifle in this caliber. Too bad Ruger's bolt action American rifle isn't chambered in 7mm Mauser (7x57). Both Ruger's M-77 and M-77 Mark II bolt action sporting rifles were formerly chambered in 7mm Mauser. Also, the Interarms Mark X, the Parker Hale built in Birmingham, England, and also the Swedish Husqvarna. Read on. The 7mm Mauser (7x57) was developed originally in 1892 as a military caliber, primarily for Spain, Mexico, Central America, and half of South American governments. Their Armies (soldiers) utilized it extensively. In addition to being chambered in Mauser bolt action rifles, the 7mm Mauser was even chambered in machine guns. In fact, in 1913 during the Mexican Revolution (1910-1920) a version of the Japanese Arisaka bolt action rifle was produced for the Government of Mexico. This caliber also saw extensive use during the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) by both Fascist and Republican factions. No doubt the 7mm Mauser even saw some, but limited use, during both World War 1 (1914-1918) and World War II (1939-1945). Not to mention the Spanish American War (1898), and South Africa's Boer War (1899-1902). So much for the military history on the 7mm Mauser. Sporting use: The 7mm Mauser (7x57),along with the .30-06 Springfield and .375 Holland and Holland Magnum historically, is a world caliber. Africa, India, Europe, North America, and elsewhere it's seen over a century of use hunting big game of the world. Even today (2015) the 7mm Mauser would be an ideal classic dual purpose* "deer/elk" caliber for the average North American hunter who wishes to fill the family freezer with fresh venison and elk meat. A quality bolt action sporter such as this gorgeous Winchester Model 70 chambered in 7mm Mauser, topped with a good 4x scope, and carry sling would give an entire lifetime of service to it's owner. This is one caliber that deserves to be far more popular than it is. It's also highly useful to both sexes, including youth who desire a rifle with lethal killing power on big game, yet has noticeably less recoil than a .30-06 and .270. ---James A. "Jim" Farmer Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County) *The 7mm Mauser (7x57) would likewise be highly effective against both caribou and moose in Canada and Alaska. The late Jack O'Conner (1902-1978): Arms and Ammunition editor of Outdoor Life Magazine and prolific American gun scribe, expert, and writer had a chapter on the 7mm Mauser in his 1970 book: "The Hunting Rifle." Chapter was titled, "Big Punch In A Little Case." All rifle calibers are considerably improved ballistically over what they were generations back due to modern bullets, powders, and primers. This likewise includes the old classic calibers from the past: .300 Savage, .30-40 Krag, .303 British, .35 Remington, 7.62 (.30 caliber)/ 7.62mm x 54R Russian (Mosin-Nagant) etc. Also, why do we have today five times more rifle calibers than we need? Many over-lap each other ballistically. Example: The .270 Winchester vs. the .280 Remington. Why can't things be kept simple, basic, and practical? Sometimes less is more as this greatly simplifies ammo and caliber logistics. "Keep It Simple Stupid" remains a sound sane moral principle badly needed today!

yes

@@moviesinclusive yes i completely agree with him

Бог је Србин

Panteri

Bilo je junaka. Bilo i bice...

@@AKK5I Sunce slobode sada nam sviće

@SerbAviator al jedan je mauzer

Nah, everyone likes the Gun Jesus.

too true

This is how the third world war will start

It's okay he can use their own weapons against them ;D

gavrilo princip coming from the grave

Thank you friend. God bless you.

Long live Serbia

Lmao seethe

Thank you, brother. We are very brave when it comes to protecting the homeland, families, Church and the land. Our ancestors protected it and died for it, that's why we have such a large moral, ww1 shows it.

Thank you friend! May Jesus bless people like you!

hahaah Bravo sir xD

♪Zagreb is far away, Sarajevo even further, so the Serbs greet you by shelling.♪ Wait, totally wrong war.

Tupac is here in Serbia

Shitposter in New Zealand tried to ruin the song by association - but Serbia too stronk.

@cody sonnet please stop poluting the net with your idiocy.

Partizan beograd

​@@Mnj.1 ma kakvi partizan

They felt also miserable after their standard green uniform was replaced with French blue, but they did not had choice.

@Timothy Dexter War against Serbia was postponed from 1912 to 1014 because Austrian army was not ready for it. There are hundreds of documents planing the war. As far as the Europe goes, the Austrian knew very well that they will have to fight other countries. The leaders of Austria, France, Russia, Germany were second cousins addressing each others on first name basis. It was a grand plan of attacking a sovereign that have treaties with other nation i.e Russia and France. Just like Hitler did at start of WWII by attacking Holland.

Axel another one who doesnt understand where fascism is in the political spectrum...

Chinese Sparrows actually sounds like you don't know what fascism is because what youtube is doing in terms of gun channels is very much what fascism does the suppress and control things they are opposed to

This is nothing like that at all ultraboi222 this is more like a park kicking you out because you're protest of lecture is opposite to theirs imagine if say Yellow Stone kicked you out because you brought up conservationists Or a free speech zone kicked you out for using free speech to defend free speech

Marlo Gonzales beat me too it!

leeG maybe? i don't get it

@@danielwhitmee8256 the time "13:37" looks a lot like "leet" (shortened and grammatically broken form of elite in gamer speak) if you convert the number shapes to letter shapes. It is kind of in the same vein as spelling things on a calculator. ex: type 07734 on a desk calculator and turn it upside down. You may find that it looks like the word "hello" depending on how the numbers are presented. Anyway, hope this helps.

all your bases belong to me

rdgipson It sucks seeng Ian having to tiptoe around youtube's policies. KZfaq seems to constantly be getting worse.

🎶 Bilo je junaka, bilo i viće

I only scrolled down to the comments for the Serbia Strong jokes. Little did I realize I would look no further than the first one! :D

Arnant Phongsatha I on će nas čuvati!

Samo Slago Srbina Spazava!

Rock Island Auction Company je Srbija!

Prior to the coup in 1903, the Austro-Hungarians dominated Serbian politics through the House of Obrenović’s, so it’s unsurprising that the Austro-Hungarians would loan what they probably viewed as a Slavic buffer to their south

Then you know about great serbian General Borojević in Austrian army

Uvek smo na vrhu www.rasen.rs/2018/05/srbin-koji-je-izumeo-prvi-racunar-i-smatra-se-pretecom-informatike-i-kibernetike/#.XtSxO6gzabg

They used short barrel revolvers of diferent tipes. I know that beacuse I'm Serbian :D

Service pistol was a nearest stone you can throw at the Austrian

Mostly Gasser M1870/74 and Nagant M1891 but also had some Mauser C96. Serbian officers before ww1 bought their own sidearm. After 1916 they were armed with Saint-Etiene revolvers and Ruby 1914 pistols

Probably whatever they could get their hands on.

Mauser is household appliance name in Serbia

Tursi they had this whole 100 year plan to integrate serbia and the other balkin states into the austro-hungarian empire that did not work one bit

Like how the Taliban got m16s, humvees and stingers...

Chinese Sparrows or ak47s, rpg-1 and BTR-152s

Chinese Sparrows and that tour around DC for their leaders, just about two years before 9/11

Well at the time of the loan Serbia and Austria-Hungary had very decent relations. It wasn't until 1908 and the Austrian annexation of Bosnia that the tensions started

We’re actually back to developing unique stuff lol. Just recently Zastava built a assault rifle chambered in 6.5x39mm. Not exactly brand new, but definitely different!

@@sasamihajlov2862 I've heard about these, yes, the armour-piercing ammunition certainly looks like something nobody tried with this cartridge. It's good to hear that Serbs are once again venturing forth instead of just adopting others' outdated solutions.

@@F1ghteR41 we have focused mostly on UAVs and Artillery in the past decades but have recently started small arms as well. I’d say this is a huge renaissance for our arms industry. My favorite serbian military product is definitely the MGS-25 Alexander howitzer!

Yes, they introduced the enhanced chamber with an extra "ring of steel".

KZfaq rules say no. Go to the link to ForgottenWeapons in the description, and there is a link there.

Brendon Burns cause it didnt work

Daniel Vedberg Sekulic what didn’t work? The 7x57?

Brendon Burns bpth the french and German had used bpth higher then 7mm prior and smaller during the war the french tried making a sinilair cartridge but it proved subpar to the 8mm and later 6.5mm label in use aswell as german 7,92mm mauser it wasent enough in the eyes of the superpowers. The yanks and Brits did experiment with similairly nut found their .30-06 and .303 respectively to be more then enough. The 7.57 was also not a round that the doctrine at the time in europe found useful, most rifles where built around providing long range accurate fire and the bullet thusly was made to suit this. The French whould end up adopting the 7.7mm as an intermidiate beetween there two but that only happend after ww1. Testing at the time really showed the ineffectiveness of the 7.57 if compared to existing munitions. It lacked the power wanted. And only the cavalry had carbines. Most european nations strategically thought war whould be an affair of moving lines of riflemen or trench warfare. The invention of the machinegun and more then apperant issues with long rifles in trenches whould change the mind of most european states however the calibres used whouldnt change due to both logistical issues aswell as the fact that they found anything smaller then the 6.5mm inpractical as an rifle round.

Daniel Vedberg Sekulic now I’m a little confused. The French never used a 7.7? And neither the French or Germans made and 6.5. And the merits of the 7x57 on the battlefield have been proven time and again. The Spanish used it extensively, most famously against us Americans at kettle hill. And the boars shredded the Brits in SA using there 7x57 mausers. Again i don’t get it. The Americans and British both got smashed by the 7x57 and looked and said “must be the rifle” instead of going “must be the caliber”

Brendon Burns the french used a 7.7 during world war 1* as mentioned but experimented with the calibre during the time of ww2, germans never used 6.5 i made it clear that it was onöy the french who used such an calibre in the war. Germans used the 7.92 or 8mm during the war. That being said the carbine was the rifle of the cavalry not infantry. The riflemen where issued longrifles or compact long rifles. Because again tactics at the time dictated such there was no real massive natural barriers like jungles in Europe so shortrifles was never really considered before the war broke out. The merits of the short rifle did evolve during the war due to the nature of Trench qarfare however save the french most nations had one calibre and it was enough to use. The French had logistical nightmare supplying all manners of munitions during the war. They found the calibre to be to small to get the job done.

Buck Berthod Thank a lot for your answer ! I was too thinking about paying no more than 350/400 on this one. From the pictures I saw it's in pretty good condition but I will only be able to see it the morning before the sale.... hoping it don't get too pricy hahaha If I don't win on this sale I'll look up for used model from Uberti on the internet Thank for your helpful answer

Considering you can buy a brand new one from Dixie gun works for about $325.00, I wouldn't bid over 250.

Buck Berthod I'll think about it.... like I said if it don't get too pricy I'll try and go for 300 maximum

Bob Rees Thinking about going for maximum $300

The Model 1899c is an arsenal reworked 1899 to Model 1924 specs. Rechambered for 8mm Mauser (7.92mm), with sights and barrel length to a Model 1924 so that overall it's much like the Model 1924 but with the royal Yugoslav crest over the chamber. The "c" in the Model 1899c stood for "Serbian" (Cyrillic case "c" is the Latin case "s") and gave identification to the pedigree of the rifle.

@@alexzujovich5826 thank you for this information

Do you mean the First World War and World War Two?

Actually yes, I'm rereading my statement and I see the mistake. I should have said World War One and World War Two. Considering the desperate circumstances both wars placed on the country it wasn't unlikely these guns ended up being used in both wars.

schizoidboy Ah I understand, happens to everyone

Chetniks used it in ww2 to fight germans communist and ustaše.

Not durable enough for military use. Also a lot of lever actions, especially earlier designs, couldn't handle the high-pressure cartridges which militaries of the time wanted for rifles.

The Russians DID use a Winchester as a military rifle though. I think it was the model 1895 in calibre 7.62x54R, but I could be wrong.

Vojske su koristile Vinčesterke pa tako i vojska Kneževine Srbije koja je zarobila jedan broj polužara od turaka 1878. (ne sećam se tačno koji je model u pitanju - odavno sam čitao o tome u Kalibru).

Hahahah da

Paul O'Brien Austria-Hungary I guess... I mean, they're the ones that gave Serbia the loan and withholding the shipments and free trade is basically an act of war

Paul O'Brien They probably came through Austra-Hungary, after all Serbian-Austrian relations varied a lot.

Real tensions with Austria Hungary started to mount after dinasty change in 1903.

​@@robrob9050nope before that austrohungary helped coup of may in secret,but you wont learn that in this conventional history

Actually it's german

He actually made a similar video recently, featuring an entire book about Serbian Arms. Great stuff :D

Soundwave 47 why do you have to be such an ass

It is even mentioned in the video. Obviously. I mean its called "Mauser", but by this logic every AK-47 is Russian?

Correction: The AK-47 is Russian hahaha, I wanted to say every AK-like weapon.

Yes, in 1914, payed in lead.