No, I don't believe Stern is trying to take my guns away. Let me state that before the comment section takes off. I worried they were beginning to assist in that message though.

Incredible persecution complex on display here. 😂

I agree with you entirely. Liongate's stance on this makes no sense.

From this day forward you shall be known as Concealed Cary

I like that the person in intro has a Gun on his pinball machine in background, LMAO

People have really gone nuts! I love how now because there’s no guns in a John wick pinball machine everyone online is saying how we won’t stand for this or this is woke. Where were you guys to stand up when Stern started charging $9,699 to $13,999 for games that aren’t even worth half of that. But because everyone is too political these days when it comes to guns , oh no don’t take that away! Let’s go on KZfaq and complain. Stern is making thousands of us and doing well, there probably laughing to the bank while this video was being made

John Wick without guns is just random dudes wearing suits in nightclubs. What’s next? Top Gun without the fighter jets cuz they have guns. Hell gun is in the title!

So….guns are bad, but if I need one I’ll call someone who has one and hope nothing happens in the meantime.

Guy in the beginning is talking about removing guns but he has a LAH behind him with a big gun on it.

I understand why this video was necessary, but I for one, didn't need it. You may have exhibited more passion than some were comfortable with, but you didn't say anything incorrect. There is no scenario where Stern comes out of this totally in the right. If they knew about the omission prior to production, they made a bad choice to move forward. If they didn't know until later, they were bad at their business. It would just mean they didn't do the amount of research needed to avoid this. John Wick is not such an essential property that doing it poorly was worth it, just to be the ones who did it. I wish they had walked away instead of knowingly doing it less than they know they were capable of. I know that they most likely never get to do a property up exactly the way they want, but when the choice involves things that are integral to the theme, there should be a line. I personally believe they ended up on the wrong side of that line this time. Spending thousands of dollars on something you know is fundamentally incomplete from the get go because you can then pay even more to make it the way it should have been from the beginning is not a position the consumer should be forced into. I have added some expensive mods on machines (like my ST lab from Medisynal), but they enhanced a machine that could have been considered complete without it. There's a difference there. The part that drives me nuts is that the people who would immediately notice this glaring omission are exactly the level of fans who you desperately want. The people who may only buy an expensive toy like this because it is their top dream theme. These are exactly the people who might walk away from it because, in the case of this decision, it was done lesser than it could have easily been done. Bad choice in the beginning or bad business to not know until it was too late, either way Stern should have known better and you and people like us have nothing to apologize for. Keep on keeping on.

Don't walk it back.

Sorry for going off topic. But I can't stress enough how badly I wish Stern or another JJ, CG, PB, AP, or someone would make a Transformers The Movie 1986 Pin. The musical track list is perfect for pinball, amd of course the artwork and toys would be sick. Just imagine loudly bumping "Instruments of Destruction" while playing. They had BETTER NOT EXCLUDE THERE GUNS THOUGH. In FACT, instead of a plunger, a giant Optimus Prime or Megatron-Galvatron gun should be the ball shooter.

You are on target, no apologies needed

I think the difference is that I don't really care WHY they're not there, I think the art package looks dope already. I love making the playfield art city-themed because it makes sense with the continental, and just has that world under glass vibe. I felt like the violence part of john wick can and would be handled in the clips. Just my opinion.

Cary, stick with it. Your patriotism on this matter, as well as your sensitivity to the leftists trying to attack 2A is legit.

If I ever get this pin, I'll mount a shorty shotgun as the topper.

I’m listening, and hoping a knee isn’t bent on the issue

Brilliant! Now you can shift the focus of your apologizing away from “Overreacting”, and firmly onto “Quoting Hitler”!😆🤦‍♂️

Its a bit wierd, as a Brit, we share much of the same culture as our American cousins. But gun ownership is a concept we will never fully understand. I have only ever seen guns in a museum, in movies or TV almost like they are some abstract concept that don't really exist. So the idea that pictures of guns on pinball games must be banned when people have actual guns at home seems just seems so mixed up.

Once retro started wearing FlipnOut gear and promoting them it was obvious his opinions were going to bias to some extent. So it seems every game is a BUY BUY BUY so I like seeing your criticism of manufacturers. People with sales and arcade operations behind them will be reluctant to be critical

Cary used The Critical Drinker's The Message.... 😎

Stand strong with your convictions on this matter Cary. It's the only thing that separates us from the rest of the world.

Guy in the beginning has it completely backward. The last people you want own guns is government. 😂 Take two seconds to look at a history book.

I think the word "toys" was deliberate. I then think the art package was quite simply an oversight. Rather than admit a mistake they say what's true but forgot to realize that didn't pertain to the art. And like you said, why can you have it in video assets but not art? The logical answer to me is mistake or deliberate choice but not willing to admit either.

I think alot of people have missed the point that the weapons in John Wick are intrinsic the the movie franchise. They are an absolute feature of the film series and have a huge following because of it. Again though, the same can be said about the pencil :)

Cengiz wtf, even here Australia we get to go out and hunt if we want to, without gun toting pistols etc. Scandi lefty stuff seriously gimme a break it's OTT shit🙄. Enjoy pinball. Lionsgate licensing sucks period.

You are 100% right! The main character is all about guns!

People that are prone to getting butthurt will find a way. Sharks eating balls, pictures of guns, people will find their way to get upset about something of their choosing. I’ll continue to seek out happy people that play pinball in my favorite hobby that lets me escape all the assholes in daily life.

Tuesday: Subscribed Thursday: Unsubscribed Came for Pinball, not a 2nd amendment debate.

No matter the reason, if you over react and act like a child you’ll get blow back. Adding the Hitler quote was bullshit by the way.

Hey hickabilly, don’t apologize, that’s what’s expected, sure maybe u went a little hard. Guns aren’t for everyone. But I’m damn glad to have that option if need be. God made man, Samuel Colt made him equal.

Interesting that JJP did not seem to have any issues with Godfather... Keep up the great work, it's a shame that some people are willfully ignorant on history and reality.

No apologies needed.

Thank you for speaking up. In the pinball community I regularly feel like an outcasts due to my views on political topics. Keep up the good work.

Im from the Netherlands. Not a gun to be found in anyones home because owning them is against the law. Unless you are a police officer or in active military will you handle one. I have lived in the USA for over 12 years now, I have shot rifles, pistols and even a shotgun. It is fun, but obviously not for the faint of heart. It can be a great hobby and is a necessity even for hunting and self protection might you encounter such a scenario in your house where you would have to stand your ground. I find other methods way more effective, but to each their own. His arguments are still completely way beside the point though, because the discussion was about John Wick not having any guns present on the artwork or being part of the game. John Wick = Action & Guns in the movie so why did Stern remove them from the game? Wildly unpopular choice, I think, but remains to be seen while we wait on sale numbers. What is even WORSE though, and I don't know how many people actually noticed this, but BEHIND THE DUDE IS A LAST ACTION HERO PINBALL MACHINE! IT HAS GUNS ON IT! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? He dun fucked up.

Part of the problem, in my opinion, is people comparing the USA to small countries that are much more nationalistic than we are. The US is HUGE with a wildly diverse population and geography. Our states are larger in both population and size than many countries. Our take on nationality traditionally leans more towards individual liberty. It's in our DNA - the government doesn't tell us what we can do. Rather, the government must tell us why we can't do it.

Not to mention Deadpool look at the Pro guns everywhere

Talking like this when the subject is a JOHN WICK FILM is fucking absurd. Don't make a pin based on a movie where the main character kills HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH A GUN if you feel this way.

Nice follow up. I watched your video yesterday & had a good laugh at your expense. I thought your were over reacting. I like this video. I appreciate your even handed follow up to your previous video. Like you, I don’t want all this divisive bullshit that going on in this country to make its way into my hobby. They’ve screwed up sports, movies & etc.

I’ve been all over the world and it is different overseas but too late for USA not to have guns. Plus we have an open southern border. In Egypt I had an armed guard in our bus with a semi auto machine gun plus a cop car with four armed police. It was insane but that made me feel safe over there.

I was waiting for the JP movie example. I was bringing that up on my show tonight.

Plus why Data East Pins are still some of the BEST ever made lol Just sayin

A potential answer to "Why no guns on the art, but yes guns in the video?" is because you would have to re license the copyrighted gun models for new art, while the movie rights holder already has a transferable license for the video clips that they can give to stern.

Everyone should do a MASSIVE boycott. This should sell single digits. Need to send a massive message we will NOT tolerate this kind of garbage.

I like to think pinball is a hobby in which we can come together as Americans and celebrate a love for the game, regardless of political ideology. This video seems in keeping with that spirit. That said, it’s your channel, Cary. You’re totally free to vent and express yourself

Maybe the decision was made for a number of reasons- arcade locations may not want the guns in a family setting- pins are exported and sold globally where guns aren’t privately owned so society norms are different. Personally doesn’t bother me but this is the 2nd game where a Disney IP has stipulated the removal of an asset or person from the artwork- Mando being the 1st

I think Stern needs to put more due diligence inside the games they make with a license. This reminds me of Led Zeppelin without Stairway to Heaven. I’m sure Ritchie put effort into some design around it. The Rolling Stones pinball without Gimme Shelter “just a shot away”. I heard a lot of other songs were picked out instead of the ones on there. I was going to watch John Wick until I found out they shoot guns. A lot of them. How ridiculous does that sound. When WOKE comes into something I like… I disapprove by not spending my hard earned dollar on it. Not just with pinball but sports, music, food, etc etc.

I also hope this is the last video about these two topics. Love your content Carey! You are the best pinball vlogger on KZfaq! Amen. Let's get back to pinball!

The only way Stern can make up for it is if they ship all LEs with a Taran Tactical Pit Viper in the coin box.

DONT APOLOGIZE. You have zero reason to do so.

In the videogames industry weird requests can happen for licenses. It's entirely possible they see pinball as a thing that goes into kids play areas and didn't want poster art of guns around. However, as someone paying a million dollars for a license, I would set that term before hand. "We have a vision for this product are you interested to take our million dollars or not." Maybe you can head to Turner and load up your guns and blast a John Wick Pro. I get the vibe he owns some guns. Lost all respect for Retro. The entire world is chaos. Murder/crime/rape happens in Europe too. "I'll just call the police who will show up in 20 minutes with a knife. You see I'm from Europe." Understand that movies are "restricted" aka "R" rated. You have to go behind an adult wall to see them, so it's possible they requested no guns. I own that same gun you posted in the last video.

Well the way I see it Stern made the decision to go forward if it’s true about Lionsgate and that shows where the new ownership stands on 2A rights. Maybe Stern should’ve made Barbie and let another company due justice to the Franchise. Don’t Apologize Cary for pointing out what they tried to sweep under the rug.

Pew Pew

Ok, Stern picked a theme known for its guns. Decided it was going to not put guns in the game. I can list easy games with guns: "Bounty Hunter" GTL. "terminator" WG "Cactus C." WG. "Ready Aim Fire" GTL No one should think stern promotes violence. If they weren't ready to commit that theme to its entirely then they should have not gone with it.

Why are we still arguing about this? John Wick has guns and kills people, how is that not represented in the pinball? It's blatantly obvious. Also how does the licensor not realise that's the point of the character in the IP? I'm still hoping this is a good game regardless.

Do not backtrack and cower! What you said needed to be said and is still fundamentally true! No baby games!

Right now its just an odd decision to exclude something the series is known for. If before each game starts there is a big graphic about how guns are bad then its a problem.

Dude don't use excuses that you worked out and you're hungry. You just lost me totally with that lie from you. Just the same way I do NOT believe Stern didn't get permission from Lionsgate to use guns. GIVE ME A BREAK you believe that? For real you believe that? Lionsgate the lowest hanging fruit in the license World is going to make FOUR movies about a guy killing people with GUNS... and they'll tell Stern you can't use GUNS! OMG please you buying that? Dude just stick to what you said even though you said it honestly don't back track. GUNS on the GAME isn't a second admen right issue... its that STERN MADE A GAME ABOUT JOHN WICK who uses guns and they nixed it. End of story! If you don't want to feature guns on a game don't license JOHN WICK! DUH!

This type of shit makes me want to buy more guns lol

Who’s the F is that

You have a right to an opinion as much as anybody, maybe more. Thanks for the time you put in to entertain us and helping the noobs, and championing this hobby.

The intro it’s spot on and Everyone knows what Disney stands for…back to pinball! 👍

An Honest and strait forward video. You are dead on with your opinion. Im glad you highlighted the idiotic and uninformed comments of Cengiz. I stand behind you Cary😁👍

There isn’t a reason for you to backpedal, Cary. Stand your ground!

The guy in your intro might have been singing a different tune back in 1945 when men with guns came, and ousted the guys who took his country from him, with their guns…

This is a good video and I am glad stuck to your “guns” where your criticism was justified and backed down where appropriate.

I’m glad I bought godfather , jjp don’t play that crap !!!

Ya said what ya meant, and meant what ya said. I am not getting into politics here. 2A definitely. But John Wick got guns! Lots of pinballs have guns!

No need to apologize Cary.

People want everything on a pinball but the pinball Looks like the Wick owners want to separate themselves from the gun nuts Gun nuts are pissed But I will say again,if you think you are John wick when you walk around with your gun you have mental problems I don’t care for guns but I don’t reject everything that has one like movies ,etc Cause I’m not a lunatic Like a gun nut

George’s comment mentioned 4K. But doesn’t Stern’s screen only display 720p or 1080P?

I see a big time, big dollar mod coming on. Diddy, Stumblor you out there?

The Godfather pin has guns in the game. I'm disappointed the game is missing guns.

Shots fired?

think people have to get a grip..in WWII, Japan invade the Philippines, a US commonwealth, where the people were generally disarmed except for farm tools..the US base of Corrigedor was conquered which forced my ethnic group and the 130 others to fight and disarm the Japanese with the farm tools and martial arts that we kept hidden from the Spanish and the US..the US constitution allows its citizens to not be placed into a situation that forced my grandfathers to go into the jungles and become guerillas of which the US created their own force because they saw how successful our way was...unless people think they can take on barbarians with a cross look and harsh word, they should reflect on that. fun facts: 1) the thing where John Wick could take someone out with a pencil comes from the martial art that my people have which makes anything an extension of our hands...pencils, spoons, credit cards, etc. 2) the creation and development of the semiauto pistol from 1899 to 1910 was rooted in fighting 5'4" men from the southern Philippines with the strength, speed and agility of Bruce Lee and Manny Pacquiao(who by the way is descended from those men)

I only saw that beginning clip so far, and mark my words. This is the beginning of the end for stern now. We have to band together and help spooky raise their level of quality as they are going to be the new “go to” for the average pin player. Jersey Jack will be the “high end” machines and stern will deteriorate away. It’s time, since c0vid the quality of their machines have tanked. Everything feels extremely cheap even the wood. This is the first public move towards their demise. Venom was a terrible decision, jaws was a garbage design, and now they bend the knee to this trash. A TRUE company would have told the the license holder “then we aren’t doing the deal” - That’s the KEY everyone is missing. A company with a backbone and integrity would have told the license holder “then we aren’t interested” And they could have done a fast swap to another game with the same style of design (it’s happened many times before) even something like gladiators which was supposed to be Zelda. - (gladiators rules) Sad to see you flip flop like this though :(

It doesn't look like any mode in the game can have you collect a firearm as a weapon it would have been awesome to collect the dragons breath shotgun as a weapon since they show a clip of it from the movie inside the game 👀

I’m a Brit, but know a few US people who are gun owners. When I went over there, I had two hours training before being allowed to go out on the range (an hour from my friend and another hour at the range itself). No one was crazy or irresponsible, at any point, and I acknowledge it’s a genuine cultural difference originating in the frontier bits of the USA. I find it desperately silly that you can’t have guns on a pin, according to Liongate, but you can have knives, machetes and nunchucks when most violent crime in London is from… drum roll… knives. Perhaps the British export version of John Wick should only include pencils and bananas in the weapons crate.

Cary I swear the next time I see you I'm giving you a bro hug. We've met many times before and yea I'm a pretty shy guy, but you're gonna the Big Willie hug. 🤣

OH!, and, yes no apology necessary.

I don’t know if I’m completely comfortable with you having a gun if you think your John Wick These are fucking toys

12:47 Ordeal? Jesus ask yourself should you have a gun.

I'm with you on the movie clips. If they included those this makes no sense. If I was a nieve parent and didn't know what John Wick was but my kid wanted to play a pinball/arcade game based on it - wouldn't I rather know up front that there are guns involved? Looking at the pin they'd have no idea until the movie clips started playing, if they were even around for it at that point. It doesn't make any sense.

I stand with you brother 🇺🇸 Don't apologize to these cry babies

Do not bend the knee

There is an agenda. Don’t care about the source but I don’t have to fund the agenda.

With all the videos this week, your ad revenue will fund your John Wick LE. Keep it going.

In hindsight, you probably should have eaten that Chipotle before you filmed the video. 🤣 Shit happens. I'll take an honest opinion any day.

Thanks Cary!

Nice apology video. Which brand is the mandate from, stern or Lionsgate.

Stern should use some leverage with creative decisions with these mid tier licensing themes. Its a negotiated process. And if the decision is to neuter Mr Wick, Stern could have gotten out ahead of this issue instead of being reactionary.

So someone on the internet overreacted before knowing all the facts? Wow, never seen that before. LOL. Keep up the good work Cary, I like your content (usually). :)

….waiting for the next upcoming 10 videos just about guns on artwork packages :):) John Wick without any guns is even more kafkaesque than baywatch without D. Hasselhoff would be :):)

Cary, you mentioned having the alternate code for your jurassic park...how does it affect game play? I have the 30th and to me, the only thing keeping that from being my #1 is the lack of assets.

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seriously its a game.... unreal

I agree with you 100%

Great video mate 👏🏻 stay free

Retrocengo #1!

I didn’t see you doing anything wrong… you provide a forum for pinball folk to discuss topics about pinball. I have a gun on my T2, Shadow, Dirty Harry, and kind of with DE Star Wars. Another example of WOKE BS! Keep on Keepin On!