Huh? The first one is a shimmy, which is a pretty well established tactic for high level play. The ken on the second clip was caught doing a backlash because he was anticipating a standing heavy punch from Ryu and wanted to punish it, but he guessed wrong.

@@ChallengeIAccepted there's nothing high level about it. Everyone does it past low plat. Literally every player in this game tries to get the opponent to press a button to get 50+%. There is nothing 'high level' about waiting for your opponent to do something stupid. All Cammy had to do was throw out lows to win, same thing with Ken.

@kay_792 If shimmies don't exist then delay tech beats everything. That's just the rock paper scissors of the game, not sure how this is punishing good play

@@ChallengeIAccepted Its punishing good play because this will only work on 'good' players with solid reactions and defense. Good players will defend themselves. That is why its easier to never attack and just bait 1-2 times and win easily like Ryu did despite Cammys health advantage. Grabs don't do that much damage, a bad player will just wait it out, mash, or jump/backdash. Walking back and forth isn't that much of a threat, just do a low. On every +hit, you get an opportunity to bait an attack like this, it is extremely easy to get a full damage combo in this game. It is much easier to go for a bait everytime into 60% than to try to grab 3x for less. You lose that much for trying to defend yourself? Who designed this rubbish, you might as well never tech and win easily