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Ok Marty. Calm down :P

Like Mahler's wish that he could conduct one of his pieces 50 years after his death - a time he hoped that his work would be popular and understood (saw it on this channel's Mahler documentary).

The ruckus over the Rite obliterated Debussy's Jeux, itself a terrific work. Perhaps a rueful recognition that Debussy was passing the baton to the new enfant terrible.

No, Debussy did not like it. He did not understand what Stravinsy was trying to achieve and although he realise that this was something entirely new, he thought Stravinsky's music had gone far too far (into the future) to achieve its objective - which of course it had. Also, you have to remember that Stravinsky both in this score and in Firebird and Petruska, too, relies on subjective musical gestures which do not have much meaningful structural or architectural use as a way forward for other composers. He wasn't interested in teaching others as Schönberg, his sort of great rival, spent doing for all of his career.

@@chrisgordon6599 What's your source for the fact that Debussy did not like the piece? As far as I know Debussy congratulated Stravinskij after the premiere, and they went on to become kind of good friends. I'm studying the subject because I'm writing a thesis on the Ballet Russes, so if you have a different source I'd be excited to see it! :)

@@spinozo.official Hi! There is a quote of Debussy in Lucy Moore's book about Nijinsky published by Profile Books in 2013. It is on page 142. Lucy Moore repeats an account by Misia Sert, who was a friend and benefactor of Diaghilev"s, telling of Debussy's reaction to Le Sacre du printemps as he was sitting in her box at the first performance. Misia Sert wrote: "With a sad and anxious face, [Debussy] whispered, ' It's terrifying. I don't understand it.'" However, Debussy had heard the music performed by Stravinsky on the piano and he was apparently anxious to hear how Stravinsky was going to orchestrate the ballet score but, as I said in my first comment, he didn't understand what Stravinsky was trying to achieve with his 'grotesque and terrifying' orchestration. I have seen other reported comments of Debussy's elsewhere but I would have to look through all my books on this subject to find them. I am sure you can do that if you are writing a thesis on the Ballets Russes. Count Harry Kessler is also a good source for the general reaction of the audience at the first performance of Le Sacre du printemps.

@@chrisgordon6599 I think you're confusing some of his words for dislike. Terrifying and difficult to understand are both critical to the piece, that's not the same as thinking it bad or not liking it. Debussy didn't just hear the music performed on piano by Stravinsky, he played from the score with Stravinsky when the latter visited him at his home in the months leading up to the premiere. I can't remember the exact quote but Debussy said something about being extremely excited to hear the premiere, even making some analogy of it being like a sweet he couldn't wait to open or something. You'll find the quote in Peter Hill's book on The Rite I think. Seems to me he was more fascinated and intrigued by the piece, not that he just didn't like it

Thank you for helping to make this widespread to everyone who might not like the piece. Michael Tilson Thomas and Leonard Bernstein's interpretations are wonderful and inspired, and through the grace of the beautiful people who make it available, it's possible for anyone to "keep score" :)

I too want to thank you. This program is one of the best examinations of a world classic. MTT is a fantastic host and conductor. It is a wonderful surprise to hear a segment from "The Firebird" with "The Rite." Yes, yes!

@Richard Williams Thank you, Richard. Please tell your friends! We feel that this series of films was never sufficiently promoted by PBS or the SF Symphony. I hope the 9 films will stand the test of time. David Kennard InCA Productions

It's such a well done series. Fabulous work!

@Richard Williams yeah the camera work is outstanding. I think it's the best I've ever seen of an orchestral performance.

Ironically, Stravinsky was invited to create a Hollywood score but his music was turned down. Scoring a film is a very unique talent in understanding the marriage of sound and image that not even he could get right. That said - I just LOVE all the early scores influenced by Igor. IMHO, Bernard Herrmann did it best.

I think you can tell that John Williams and Hans Zimmer took some influence as well.

@@ajanimation8239 And Leonard Bernstein.....there's some West Side Story near the beginning of part 2, when the muted trumpets and horns go back and forth, right before the 11 tympani hits....it's from the dance at the gym scene.

Cool Dad.

deetrizzle1040 conductor ?

@@RanBlakePiano The late Antal Dorati.

Scheherazade is goated!!

that's proper education! Congrats to your dad!

@mark heyne definant influences!

For me some macedonian rhythms are much harder, not only due to asymmtrical (mixed) meters but with addition of sincopations and with the 3 grouping filled by quadruplet and/or the 2 grouping filled in by triplets. Instead in Stravinsky the difficult rhythms are the melody (and the contrary). I had a lot difficulties with macedonian rhythms, even id much more slower (250BPM) than pontiakà rhythms (603BPM).

@@shonnyno Brilliant comment Andrea.

with Barenboim.

I miss Julie. I met Julie Ann Giacobassi Hall (married for 50 years to Zach Hall before she died) through my uncle Todd back in 2001 when I was a baby. My uncle Todd invited my family and I to go to San Francisco Symphony and meet all the people who played with the symphony. Without my uncle Todd speaking up about the abuse he endured from 1972-1980 by Ronald Carroll MacDonald, that Ronald Carroll MacDonald would have still been free and would have been abusing more children until he died and I would not have met so many symphony musicians.

Nicholas Roerich aka Nikolai Rerikh ?

Walt Disney himself used that music piece in his 3rd feature film, Fantasia. The visuals that accompanied the music, is thrilling and electrifying.👍

@@JacobDreamWorks921 He did so without Stravinsky's permission.

Could it be as great as the Columbia Records recording of the Walmart Symphony Orchestra version?!

4'58" whose composition is it? What movement?

I miss him. I met Bill Bennett through my uncle Todd back in 2001 when I was a baby. My uncle Todd invited my family and I to go to San Francisco Symphony and meet all the people who played with the symphony. Without my uncle Todd speaking up about the abuse he endured from 1972-1980 by Ronald Carroll MacDonald, that Ronald Carroll MacDonald would have still been free and would have been abusing more children until he died and I would not have met so many symphony musicians.

Who told you that? I call BS 🎉

Ravel might be underrated, but not as much as Scriabin.