No offense but if delayed attacks ruin a fight for you then I dont think FromSoft games are for you. So many bosses across their catalogue use them to some degree as a way of providing a varied challenge.

@@Bill-ok2jbyou must be new to the series lol

@@Bill-ok2jb Delayed attacks didn't really start being relevant until DS3 with Nameless king, but even then it was used sparingly. Elden Ring is unique in how frequently they use it.

@@sepulcher8263 it starts with fume knight so you are the one who didnt know what is saying

@@Omega77232 Re-read what I said. It didn't start being RELEVANT until Ds3, not that he was the first to start doing them.

glazers?

@@cannonfodder4000 people that defend things so much, that others compare it to glazing (sucking off) the creators

Indeed but haters are way more annoying.

The criticisms of Elden Ring have essentially equated to "I'm not willing to engage with the game mechanics, I want turn based combat like Dark Souls, I want to medium roll through everything without learning the boss design and I want panic rolling to effectively dodge enemy attacks without getting punished for it, I want r1 to be my only attack that matters"

@@TheDominitri Good job making up a guy in your head and getting mad at him. And even then, it's actually logical to be angry at this, since your character is SLOWER in sequencing attack animations than his DS3 counterpart whilst retaining pretty much the same combat & movement system (stagger on everything & jump button being the only major exceptions). It's horrendous and totally unexcusable.

This. I get simultaneously overwhelmed and underwhelmed with Elden Ring when I play it. I usually stop pretty quickly after I start replaying.

A game shouldn't be bigger than the content it can offer. Otherwise it will feel repetitive or barren. If Fromsoft struggles with ER and SotE sizes then they should stick to making smaller games or split their larger games into multiple DLC's or expansions.

For real, that's what I've been saying for a while. My first time playing through it was amazing. The second time was alright, and the third time was extremely boring. The game is way too big and re uses way too much. It makes it a chore to re-play through. Most bosses, even in the main game, are either bad or average, I just can't see myself playing through it again or trying new builds. Maybe I'd play it using the seamless coop mod with my friends, but other than that, I dont think I'll ever replay this game ever. On the other hand, I've replayed DS1, DS3, and BB dozens of times because the levels and bosses are great, amazing even, and they do not feel overwhelming to go back to.

Adventures of Cookie and Cream 2 soon brother

Yeah while I think Elden Ring is objectively the best game, subjectively I liked Dark Souls 3, consistent quality and a tailored experience. Sure Metroidvania looping back to firelink shrine is fun the first time, but it can’t beat consistent area and boss quality for me. I feel like if Elden Ring trimmed the fat, if a catacombs is a copy and paste with a copy paste boss remove it, make evergaols have a unique boss then remove the rest (like bloodhound, just don’t use them in academy it doesn’t need it), if an area feels empty make it smaller. If they did that it’s one of the best games of all time, I feel like they made the area map and didn’t think about how they could fill it. Open world also doesn’t work well for me when the quests are still obscure. As. Hell. I have to pull up a damn KZfaq guide to finish quests, just make regular quests that gives you something to do while exploring rather than catacombs. I hope if there is a Elden ring 2, they forget about size and think about quality.

rellana instead has the most inconsistent AI ever to make up for it

@@fieldkaiju Oh yeah Rellana, can't forget Moonrithyll or what's his face Classic Elden Ring

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What he says is a load of bullshit though, not criticism. Watch Ratatoskrs video about DLC criticism if you want to hear what actually could be done better. Berto is just screaming skill issue here and blames his own incompetence on the game.

​@@EldenLord. I watched his rewiev and he seems to be in a honeymoon phase also....does he really think an expansion should get goty....... would be funny if it happens tho

@@barofsoap6048 For me the expansion is definitely GOTY.

@@EldenLord. Glad you enjoyed it that much. Hard to talk without someone getting butthurt... its just a video game at the end of the day 🙂

@@TortelliniTorture fair, but his critiques are mostly bullshit. only thing i agree with is some areas lacking in loot

Right there with ya 🫡

It's really just ER and DS2 fanboys. They have no real arguments to defend the poor design in these games so they just spam "skill issue". And fuck Yui Tanimura.

The only fromsoft game that is immune to critique is Adventures of Cookie and Cream.

ER sold a lot better, there is no way that they won't double down with this design going forward. It is the end, as so often happens in this industry.

​​@@enigmatic8280 you can dislike ds2 but to say "fuck Yui Tanimura" is taking it too far. Beyond that you don't substantiate that ds2 fans have no real arguments as to why it's good (which is fine for keeping a comment short and concise but it leads to people not forming their own opinions). Taking it a step further you claim that ds2 fans' only response is "git gud". I think you are so hung up on your gripes with the game that you are unable to acknowledge positive aspects, hell even areas of improvement over the original. This argument has nothing to do with difficulty. A really, and I mean REALLY common sentiment I see is people claiming defenders will say "git gud" to brush off criticism which is tru for some of them. But what no one seems willing to admit is that critics will use those people saying "git gud" as Strawmen in order to invalidate genuine defences/positive aspects of something they dislike. Expanding on "gut gud" as a straw man. Directional rolling and frame traps are quite common in the dlc if you roll a certain way you get hit by the follow up. People have called this bulshit and unfair but when people have rightfully pointed out that players need to adapt to this and figure out roll direction as well as timing, they've just been written off as toxic elitists saying "git gud". I realise no one is going to read this or God forbid change their opinions but it's important to know that things aren't black and white. Critics aren't entirely correct and neither are the defenders, both sides are absolutely toxic and the game isn't just good or bad. One more thing. Every time fromsoft has done anything everyone hated it. People hated ds1 for being hard, people hated ds2 for not being ds1, people hated bloodborne for being too fast, people hated sekiro for being too linear, people hated ds3 for being too much like ds1, people hated base elden ring for delayed attacks and being too open. One thing I've learnt playing these games is that the community hates these games, sometimes more than they love it. Ds2 isn't special, neither is Elden ring. Sorry for ranting. And again don't attack creators of something you dislike even in just passing like in the comment I'm replying to.

I do think to some degree that might be the case, maybe even more so after the next new Fromsoft game, if it really does carry alot of the issues started in ER

>pc version of bloodborne lol no, enjoy your unecessary remake by Bluepoint Studio with shitty redesigns, coming soon as a PS6 launch title

i disagree with most of your comment but the putrescent knight take is the worst one imo. he only has three AOE attacks, of which 2 are punishable. AOE's only cover a small percentage of his moveset. after his regular combos, he always stands still and you can often attack him mid-combo because attacks go over your head if you stay close. literally 2/3 of attacks in his moveset are jumpable, so you can just jump over the lower sweeps with a jump heavy before he goes away. fixes the issue you have with it it's a non-spammy boss thats not too aggressive and doesnt have overly long combos you cant punish ( the long combo where he gets off the horse has 3 different punish windows ) it seems like you could really like this boss if you learned more about the fight

Gino: I don't like the Dancing Lion, I don't think its moveset is well designed for a player to react visually. Chat: You're just a hater. Saying that to Ginomachino of all people, it's like Miquella is Fromsoft and players are Mohg

He give it a 8 because he watch bosses through different eyes then you..For us normal people boss like Bayle if he does a 15 dmg with rock bounce no one cares we just wanna kill him but for him it's ruins his no hit run so it's lower score,if you look him why you complain about Radahn or anything when his killing him 5 days after game came out with no hit ..It's not same .For him commander G is good boss for everyone in his chat is crap because he figured out his to dodge charge

@@user-bf5ps3yw8o He didn't give his opinion an 8, he gave the overall dlc an 8. I agree with you that his opinion is a unique one and most people wouldn't need to care about some boss critically but he said himself his experience is a 10/10 even though there's a few things and fight he really didn't like but for everyone I'm pretty sure he implied the whole dlc is like an 8/10

He already said it‘s a 9 to him after multiple runthroughs, although he maintains his criticism of the bosses, especially Radahn and Metyr.

that dude is a no hit runner so he has a distorted view towards these game so why are u thinking his opinion like a gospel?

Just beat it, my opinion stands. Dogwater. Awful. Don’t know what else to say. Ass design, at no point was that experience fun.

radhan has a lot of flaws like the frametrap, but i still somewhat enjoy him. some of his combos feel satisfying to dodge. setting and music is cool. its a 4/10 fight but there is some value here.

Rahdan was a terrible boss but at least you can say he's lore accurate to what a prime Rahdan would be at full strength.

@@WokeandProudspewing holy AoE like mad?😅

bosses that summon underlings are annoying in from soft games. Bad enough the boss attacks are rng. But all the lil guys they summon are also rng and because of BAD LUCK you can get effed over pretty easily.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 The fact that they can build up a meter that kills you instantly once it's maxed out is just the cherry on top.

In lore there would be multiple astels too

@@glogangglory I know that but the one in Ranni's questline is built up so much and is said to be the reason that the eternal cities are in ruins. His arrival literally destroyed a civilization and they telling me there's just another one in a cave somewhere... it's wild.

Multiple Astels is one of things that makes the most sense.

It's not even retcon. Godwyn already became Prince of Death. No point in reviving him, he is already a god. Remember Malenia going down south to fight Radahn, it is even in the trailer, she whispers something in his ear. We finally get the answer to that. No retcon, just plots and twists. Miquella having his own designs on par with Ranni's.

I think people take issue when you say things like "They didn't give a shit." When the people that work on these games obviously do care. But hey you're a KZfaqr with zero context on how the game development process works so yeah keep with that mindset of they don't give a shit. (Especially when you are praising things like The Old Hunters which one of the mains bosses Laurence is a Cleric Beast re-use.) But you know it is what it is. I hope that one day KZfaqrs understand and actually feel empathy towards the people who make things that they profit off of.

While I think the "we didn't give a shit" part might be a bit much, I will say that the scadurtree system was pretty damn poorly implemented in my opinion. About the final boss, I can see why they went that route. I'm pretty sure Miquella himself isn't a fighter like all the other demigods, he more specializes in coercion and brainwash. In the lore everybody describes Radahn as the strongest of the demigods, so it make a little bit of sense as to why Miquella chose to resurrect him.

@@PhobiaSoft old hunters most overrated dlc of all time

It's both dawg. Learn to math. Fextra is your friend. Here's the law... DLC enemies are default 20% harder in terms of health, damage, defense, resistance, and poise. Finding the scat trees bit by bit will get that 20% back to zero. Ng baddies are at 100% ng plus? Same thing. This is the revenge playthrough haha. Ngplus 2 aka your 3rd playthrough. 5% increase. 4rth playthrough? 10% increase. 5th? 20% 6th? 30% And then last is the 7th play through. 40%. Oh and it also depends on what enemies you're facing. Some are not just 40% harder on ng plus 7 but rather 3 times harder haha. It can get pretty complex when you get into the deetz but this is the gist of it... So going into the dlc on ng plus7 is that absolute hardest way to tackle the dlc. If anyone can beat the dlc on ngplus WITHOUT cashing in scat trees at a site of grace. And without summoning. And without cheap ranged attacks, you would be butt poke roll dodge elden master!

I started on ng7 but my level is only 220. I saw guides playing ng4 and the difference in speed and aggression is night and day so its definitely a factor

Christ one dlc to their best game and all of a sudden they dont care. You were never a fan to begin with. Youre a tourist and a phony.

Because was there 5 years ago in first trailer you can see Malenia whisper to Radahn and dlc items telling what she said ,it's well know that Miquella first choice was revive Godwyn and he failed like items in castle sol telling ,plus dlc was written 5 years ago from GRRM and wasn't not changed just to big to fit into base game ..Yes the fight and area could visually look better but story vise they had Radahn as boss 5 years ago even npc telling that Miquella was in Caelid with Malenia long ago

@@user-bf5ps3yw8o Sauce? Sounds like bullshit to me. Or is it a "trust me, bro."

What source read items in dlc lol..Even Miyazaki had a interview especially on that where he said nothing change from original writing there is interview everywhere..On item too Young lion helm "When Malenia blade of Miquella let the rootflower blossom in Aeonia,Radahn heard a murmur in his ear."Miquella awaits thee o promised consort" that scene was in first trailer 5 years ago and items in Castle sol telling Miquella fail with Godwyna son was not swallow eclipse did not happen and npc telling that Miquella was long ago in Caelid and healed her i think its Freya

Plus I forgot pay attention to bosses names Godfrey Gideon Godrick Messmer Maliketh Malenia Radagon Radahn Rykard it's all like GRRM initials and dlc names are same so it's not new writing It they could be called Jimmy John whatever but they all still same as his name so it means its written long ago

Ikr. What a little bitch Torrent is. You are dying over and over, fighting against all odds and the little pony shits his pants because something can actually hurt him for once.

The frenzied flame burns away spirits. Torrent can't die from you killing yourself against the FG, but he CAN die in the abyssal woods.

@@ironmaidenmetalgodI would like this lore reasoning a lot more if not for the fact that torrent has no issue charging headfirst into the frenzied flame village in Liurnia

​@@holdupnow3941 You literally can't compare a village with 10 basic mobs in it with a whole ass area like the Abyssal woods

I would have liked the abyssal woods a lot more (I do like them for the record) if they were a bit more interesting to explore outside the lantern enemies. I really loved that encounter as it made you feel so vulnerable and actually made stealth important for the first time. The atmosphere was also fantastic. I just wish that there were things that made exploring off the path worth it, which is an overall problem with the dlc and large parts of Elden ring in general so I don't really hold it against the abyssal woods specifically. It was interesting that I actually enjoyed the lack of torrent because it really mixed things up, I just kind of wish they'd gone further with it but it's hard to be too judgemental about that considering it's an optional area

Half the baddies are reused or slightly edited for the dlc from the base game. Many giant areas with nothing in them but maybe one thing lol. Many areas are just horribly ugly to look at. Endless piss yellow straw fields with oil slick roads that look like my toilet on chili night. Prettier areas come later at least lol. Not a great way to open is all I'm saying... Yay I got the dlc let's goo... Oh... It's super ugly lol. That wasn't the take I wanted to start with but that's how it is lol. Once you touch that arm, load in, walk up the steps, you're just like ew... Vs the main game where once you open that shudder... OMFG the most beautiful starting area ever seen in a open world game just about. Aside from varre that freak lolz Scat tree system has flaws. It encourages exploring but it's terrible for gauging skill and boss difficulty. As a result you have azzhole players going "why did you struggle? It was sooo much easier for me" When they played on easy mode essentially by sticking to ng or ng plus one instead of doing it on ng plus 7. Or maybe you went for scat trees like crazy. Boss difficulty varies largely based on how lucky you are at finding hidden stuff? Lol that kinda sux... The boss is harder because I didn't go on a ridiculous easter egg hunt? Myazaki knows this is dlc, not a new game, right? 10 remembrance bosses and I don't remember half of em haha. What are their names again? Who cares... I gave em nick names lol. Con man rad dan. Timon and pumbaa. The lion king. Lol this dlc is myazakis take on the lion king I think haha. I think I remember the lil yoda demi human dood more than the main one's haha. Bosses were mostly a let down. I'm with Berto. Messmer and sort of rellana stole the show. The rest of em are meh or just mehhhhhhhhhhh Unmemorable dungeons. The forge one's don't even have a boss and the only baddies in them are ground goo and rock boy, some of the most boring azzholes to fight in the game. These places just sucked lol. Getting lost was super easy around those river crag junctions, those lord of the rings dwarven looking green areas to the north, some dungeons were just overly long. Gotta love Bayle though haha. Hard boss that's kind of bull crap in some ways but over all it was probably the koolest part of the dlc. 90% of gear is useless trash. About 99% is useless trash on ngplus7 haha. Worse than the base game in just about every way. Story stuff gets even more head scratchy PVP still super unbalanced and laggy af. CooP mode is still f tarded af... There's a reason why the pc coop mod is the most popular mod... DLC does nothing to add to the base game in terms of story. Would have been interesting to see Melinas take on the land of shadow or SOMETHING but no, it just ends up feeling super weird how the DLC is basically 100% separate from the base game story. Maybe they can patch something in with a update? Oh and the updates nerfed a lot of the kooler stuff so the game is less impressive as a result.

⁠@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 It's kind of odd to say that the DLC adds *nothing* to the base game in terms of story, when you're completely ignoring the Radahn plotline.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 The Scadutree complaint seems like more of a skill issue, honestly. I played on NG+7 and it wasn't too bad, given that I did use summons a couple times since for me it fit some of the fights.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342adds nothing to the basegame? It literally fills so many plotholes lmao. Liek why malenia even went to radahn in the frist place

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 mh so basically you didn't even play the dlc😂

Again. ngplus 7 is a very different feel from ng.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Yeah, but I'm talking about the general design of the boss, which doesn't change, regardless of the game cycle

I agree with you, I also disagree highly on Midra fight

Midra's telegraphs are fine, but holy shit let me heal lmao It felt like I needed to perfect the fight or die trying. Also if you use a summon, having his combos be cut from 3 aggressive ones back to back, to 1 or two at max makes it go from Orphan of Kos into Lady Maria difficulty. Shit is whack.

@@knavenformed9436 I'll give you that. This DLC really made me wish the drinking animation was significantly faster. You can still heal after getting posture breaks however since he gets posture broken easily.

Yeah midra has been my favorite boss. Just wish the manse was bigger/better design. It felt tacked on/rushed. Oh **** we still haven't done the manse yet, here throw some stuff in that dungeon.

​@@ripvanwinkle3432 I have to agree on the enemy variety but I think it was a good little dungeon. Do wish it was a bit larger though with more unique enemies.

Incest lol why? Has to be a GRRM thing

Even worse than the Elden Beast?

tone down the flashy crap please. 2nd phase is blinding lol.

​@@Nin_the_Shinobiway way worse than elden beast

Yeah they totally wasted it on the second phase, mainly because of the flashiness and enormous aoe

We literally got the reason for one of the most formative events in The Shattering

@@team03productions38 We got a mess is what we got. 2 years in and no one can even tell me what the game is about sooo... Shut the crap up lolz.

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342"just read item descriptions and watch lore videos. This game is incredible"

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342laughable take. What do you need explained that isnt bashed over your head in game. This isnt some convoluted secret hunt like dark souls 1.

@@MisanthropicOcellus Lol is that why I got likes when you got zero? Is that why lore tubers are always arguing what the game is about? Is that why George RR Martin said "It's a sequel to dark souls" and then other people involved with the game had to come out and say that's not true, which kind of gave the game away that even the main writers don't know wtf is happening? So I'm correct. It's a mess lol. Think before you type next time fool. Clearly you ALSO don't fully understand the story. No one does. Because it's a mess lol. It's also goofy af lol stop getting so serious about it kid. Talkin jaw, skinny zombie horse that a big fat zombie general endlessly rides on, a trans villain with a big hammer to smack you with. A big pokemon called the elden beast wtever the f that thing is lol. Try not to think too hard about it my guy. Goofy story is goofy. Not exactly shakespere is all I'm saying lol jfc kid calm down. It's a known comment son. "No one STILL knows what the game is even about" is a common comment tossed around lore tubers in this game. You're just really effing stupid and think you know what's going on when literally the main creators don't even know haha. That's great. Sorry for ribbin on ya hard about this but bro... You're being VERY stupid lololol. I hope you respond. Can't wait to endlessly laugh at your attempts to make sense of this insane story.

Heres hoping, recency bias is insane 🫠

Me when I lie

Or maybe some people just really enjoy the dlc. Not everything is recency bias

@@BertoPlease Heres to hoping people start to hate the thing they like? why would you wish that?

Because people hate elden ring now. The dlc is just more elden ring, for better or worse.

Was going to comment the same. They should have made the outdoor bit more linear and have that path lead into the mansion. That would’ve made people look at it as one legacy dungeon style area instead of the disjointed open world bit / dungeon. They could have got the same horror style atmosphere making it a linear path and would’ve enhanced the frenzy lantern encounters among other enemies. It could’ve been like a Hemwick Charnel Lane area before the mansion

@@PacketOfCereal Absolutely. Call it Midra's Garden or something. Then we could have two substantial Legacy Dungeons instead of just the Shadow Keep!

Someone's forgetting the difference between ng and ng plus 7...

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342someone is also forgetting only like 1% of the souls consumer base ever plays more than NG+1. Freaking nerd. This dlc doesn't even deserve a second go round.

I wouldn't go that far to put him into my favorite of anything but yeah I don't understand why the KZfaqr is whining about him either

Exactly, i don't think midra can do a combo over 5 hits, and is really telegrafed overall, It really does play like a DS3 Boss

​@jajasking9652 I've probably fought him 200 times at this point. Can confirm 5 hit combo is the maximum. There's only one 5 hit combo but that combo is death if you fully miss a single dodge roll. Still a fucking fantastic boss.

Fair. I personally really hate the most npc quests related to Leda from lore and especially from completionists point

he did progress ansbach's quest, how did u think frejya showed up in the gang fight? he also mentioned not being surprised by the final boss bcz of npcs mentioning it (+ the twt thing hit the needle)

Lol you're so effing weird guy. Most gamers hate it when something is easily miss able and requires a WHOLE AZZ SEVERAL HOUR LONG PLAYTHROUGH just to get back to that part again... Get a load of this guy Berto. Apparently if you don't figure out every vague azz secret on your first playthrough, it's on you lololol. Multiple playthroughs are literally required to get ans bow and swift slash but that's your fault berto lololol

My problem with Elden rings Quest design is the fact that I did an entire dungeon met an npc at the end of it just to find out i was supposed to do a whole bunch of other shit before coming here and have now locked myself out of the quest. It feels like you have to google to plan your route through the open world

@@HardHatDagu Wait, which npc? You might be safe if it's not the last dungeon

You obviously didn't play it on ngplus 7 like me or berto. Your entire comment means jack and shiz as a result lolz. Our experiences are NOT the same. Learn that before popping off scrubb.

I'm happy with what I got out of it. But I'm now even happier to just go back to the base game lol.

They need to patch him. Not a nerf to help nubes but rather a removal of the rng bs. Those holy rays are random where they land and since he's always pushing you back, you can randomly be backed into one, get stunned, and then you're losing tons of health or it's game over. If he gets lucky on you once or twice then it's over. Too much luck is involved is the issue. Attacks being hard to telegraph is also a bit of a issue when BLINDING LIGHTS KEEP MAKING MY EYES HURT IN REAL LIFE. The fight sux lol. Bad enough the fight can only be won by cheesing or 5 hours of roll butt poke perfection lol. But he has more health than the fire giant. It's a long boring random luck based fight in more ways than not. F that boss lol. And the rewards are like... Nuthin worth af so if you don't feel like fighting him again. I can't blame ya. Bad boss with bad rewards and isn't necessary to progress in the game sooo... Just go kill the elden beast and start again lol.

I was expecting Godwyn

Fromsoft didn't choose Radahn. George R.R Martin did, because he wrote the story. He did not write any new story for the DLC, this was already in the lore, but got put into DLC instead of base game.

​​@@swordguy1243 Godwyn was long dead before we even came to be, and actually dead. Not able to come back to life because he was killed by Black Knives (which are one of the few beings able to permanently kill), Radahn was able to come back because he was not killed with the Rune of Death restored, and nothing can really die if the Rune of Death is restored (unless killed by something with the power of destined death, like the Black Knives)

@@Loretic42069 Godwyn is only half dead, that’s the entire point of his character and the source of the deathblight.

​@@Loretic42069 Ranni was also killed by The Black Knives, but you can still interact with her to the point where you help her ascend to godhood. Fia interacts with Godwyn, and it's possible she's has established contact with him as his deathbed companion. His body did not die, just as Ranni's soul did not die. Did you forget about the entire plot behind the night of the black knives?

I think that's the prob with this dlc. That getting gud part isn't really happening. Bosses are too rough lol.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 eh dono about that, Radahn was the first boss in ages that actually brought that back for me, I beat most bosses in the DLC in less than 10 tries but radahn brought back that good ol' feeling all the way back from DS1 13 years ago (play'd 2 years after release) where I was just this clueless kid trying to figure out a boss that's been kicking my ass and that is what I did, learned every pattern, every opening and every punish it felt like being back at square 1 again that feeling of uncertainty and wonder at a seemingly impassible task and of course the sense of exhilaration at its completion felt down right nostalgic man.

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342ive enjoyed Elden Ring so far, so ill wait and see for the DLC.

@@sirsunman7826 Oh boy where to start... 1... "eh dono about that" says that guy who admitted to getting ripped to shreds by dlc bosses time and time again before he got lucky enough to beat them haha. Are you even hearing yourself kid? You just agreed with me that it's rough! Which is fine at first but I'd hope the player can git gud enough to start beating the bosses consistently without dying a dozen times first and that's the problem. That finally getting gud part doesn't seem to be happening. You gotta use a limited strategy to win, and then cross your fingers that lady luck helps you over the finish line. NOT THE CASE with base game bosses.. Not nearly so... I dunno about you bra but I prefer it to be more skill based and less luck based. For example bosses like the pig, the snake boy, and rad dan all attack you out the gate so you can't summon fast. BUT sometimes they just like... Don't attack lol. Giving you a chance. Lol wtf is that??? Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's hard, based alllll on luck? Okay game... 2... What's your level? What play through are you on? How many scat trees did you cash in and for what boss? See how complicated this is? See how player experiences can massively vary from one person to another. So wtf are you acting like we had the same experience? When it's becoming pretty obvious, based on your condescending tone, that you played on easy mode compared to me lol I'm on ngplus7 dawg. 3... You're subbed to morons like shoe on head and expect me to take you seriously? Especially when you got ZERO footage on your channel backing up your claims in this game. At least I got tons of footage to back up my experiences. No offence Pal but I'd rather listen to vets like let me solo her and cell the gamer, who agree with me that the dlc and its final boss kinda sucked lol. 4... You learned rad danny's every move and bested him ay? Video or it didn't happen. No excuses kid. Every platform you can play this game on has a clip feature. Surely besting Rad danny of the dlc was a huge moment for ya. So why isn't the video proof on your channel for all to see my guy? You're making it sound like it was a big epic deal to you, based on this passionate comment of yours, so where's the video liar? Any 8 yr old with no brain can upload a elden ring clip. What's your excuse sun bra? 5... You can't master all his moves jackazz. The holy rays are rng dood. Do you even know what that means? It means it's random where the light lands. It can land right in front of the cam blinding you from telegraphing his next attack or it can insta pop up right on you, which stuns you, and makes it easy for him to finish you off. This creates situations where the player must simply die. Luck is seriously involved in the fight. Not just skill. You would know that if you had a brain lol. The majority of the best players agree with me on this. You remind me of all the elden simps telling people to get gud when they complained about the elden beast. Myazaki finally relents and lets us use torrent for the final boss now. Crickets from all you bad kids lol. Been with these games since demon souls. Not too long ago I beat Malenia on ngplus 7 without getting hit. Only used str8 sword combo. That's it. And I did it on the unpatched version where Malenia is harder since she can water foul at any time during the fight. Now I KNOW you have never done anything close to as skillful and you wanna tell me that my gripes are just a skill issue? Well then... Lol I stand corrected since you're obviously the pro and I'm obviously the noob here hahahahahaha. I just did something that you will NEVER pull off in these games but sure,

@@jazzmaster909 Oh yeah I dug it for the most part but after no lifing it... Base game is over all the better experience.

I'm sure a playthrough where I only play the content I want to will be better for me, but there's not a lot of that admittedly..

Yeah Bandai certainly in some regards are very quantity over quality kind of publisher it seems. They really wanted to milk the shit out of the Dark Souls IP and it showed

@@BertoPlease That's kind of why I'm hoping From Soft moves on from Bandai and the Souls series and does more new experimental concepts like Sekiro. Then again they're a studio known for iterative improvements over their games and not that many out there experimental ideas. I think it would be cool though if they did something like Rune/Lost Kingdoms which is kind of an action RPG Yugioh card game again. The Spirit ashes system from Elden Ring would probably work great for independent pawns in a game like that. And having your attacks be linked to consumable cards would probably add a bit more strategy to it. Then again I don't think that kind of system would work well with the more fast paced twitchy combat they're doing with the souls games nowadays. The slower methodical approach from Dark Souls 1 and 2 though that might work better with it.

From had two and a half years for the development of an add-on. That doesn't seem like a particularly unreasonable time frame to me.

@@JustFun-ho6qy Then budget and team size might have been an issue. Or vision. I think the issue with Elden Ring in general is that it's just too open and tighter more curated content is much better. Honestly when this DLC has more focused areas and less open ones I really enjoyed it. The open area's just felt more empty and more repetitive though. I kind of hope their next game isn't open world like this was as I think a lot of the issues people are having with Elden are common issues with open world game design.

Viiiiic 🤯🤯🤯 haha sorry to hear you're not enjoying it either, feels like you're having a similar experience to me haha

another good point on why the dlc sucks. I had to do a 2nd playthrough to get the taylor swift slash. And now I'm hearing I missed out on some bow that shoots like 8 arrows at a time. Lol f this...

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342it's not the first time they do this, before making a choice like invading or helping someone I suggest looking for which reward you prefer. And personally I didn't have problems with NPCs their questlines were pretty linear

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342worst part is that Swift Slash is useless now after 2 nerfs.

You couldn't be anymore right. Elden ring is my first ever souls game ever. And i absolutely love it. But holy moly. First impressions of the community of the game and its players really erked me. Until one of my friends got me into it. Actually helping me. Going on amazing adventures through the lands between and exploring all of its nooks and secrets. But when I first played the game. All it was, was majority of my friends beating the hell out of me with all this cool nifty stuff, never ever took me on adventures and just threw me into boss fights without teaching me much at all. Or helping me on where to go at all until that one friend actually grabbed my hand. Pulled me up. Dusted me off. Showed me the ropes and basics and boom! I absolutely love the game. Despite its flaws that appear. Nothing is perfect and I will admit that for a souls game that has the absolute most build diversity and build creations with so many items. It really does suck how the games bosses completely nullify your builds. Being so resistant unless you wanna bash your skull against a wall for hours. Doing so many anime like moves that melt your health if you don't use this build or this build or this build. It does really suck, but it's the community that makes the game so memorable. And this community is absolutely crap, lmao. It's a 50/50 split between people who complain. Or just are so ignorant and or condescending on both sides. Give valid criticism? Your trash, git good. When that doesn't work anymore. Dark souls gets that pass. It's not an open world. There's an objective. Keep going through and improve and you'll make it! Which makes sense. Dark souls 1s difficulty allows for you to get the hang of things once you learn the ropes yourself and oh my goodness once you do? It's amazing. Elden ring doesn't get that pass. There's so much to do. So much to start and go through. But the community does jack shit to help out new players in elden ring. That's why I love helping new players in elden ring any chance I get too. Having trouble? Would you like an indepth explanation on what you can do and use to get a hand over this boss? Stuff like that. I never got stuff like that. I just got people telling me to get good. And telling me to just cheese through the game, which I don't like doing. Doesn't feel fulfilling or fun. Pair that with the community now at eachothers throats. Literally treating the game like its the worst when despite all its flaws that aren't good. Despite its troubles that fromsoft can definitely improve on. It's just fanboys versus ignorant complainers, bashing heads together and instantly calling the whole game trash just of the flaws. When there's still tons of good memories to make in elden ring. I just hope that fromsoft takes the good and valuable criticism and improve upon the formula.

I enjoyed that area, ringed city was WAY worse in that regard

Bruh what? You felt that way for Enir Ilim and not that trash cut-down version of Cathedral Ward in Bloodborne’s DLC with enemies that can 1 or 2 shot you? I think that’s a skill issue there and I hate using that term, but it really is. You guys have become so whiny with every From Software release since Sekiro.

@@HeyTarnished Most people liked Armored Core, where is all the negative content about that?

@@Wilhelm4131 Ofc most people praise it like any From Software game, I meant in terms of difficulty, so many people cried at Balteus & the tutorial boss before it, it's ridiculous, the loud minority are the ones that create these unwarranted trash skill issue narratives that have plagued FS games since Sekiro.

@@HeyTarnished Must be a skill issue if you thought Cathedral Ward was trash.

It's really sad, you would think Beto is slapping their mothers.

@@Wilhelm4131 The internet can be rotten at times

"Hate comments" and most of the comments are just respectfully disagreeing

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​@@EldenLord.That guy's a shill and just did a devil's advocate type review.

No fun allowed.

well in my opinion that wasnt the case, they 100% had the time and money to make a proper DLC, i bet it was more like the "make good game and cash in on the DLC" method, you make yourself a big name for you company and the fanboys will eat anything you make in the future and praise it as it was gold, come on almost 3 years for this trash pile of reused content

The content related to Godwyn, and St. Trina, are the biggest clues into what happened. I think you’re right on the money, there was absolutely more planned for this DLC and something happened along the way that forced them to rework most of the story. That’s why the world feels “barren,” I imagine they used the time they would’ve taken to fill the world with the rich amount of content they put in the base game, coming up with Promised Consort Retcon and applying finishing-touches to everything in preparation for release.

I agree completely. I think FromSoft expected sales numbers like Sekiro and were blindsided and unprepared for the level of success and interest in Elden Ring. They needed to delay this DLC even more, if you ask me.

@@PhobiaSoftYeah. When Miyazaki speaks about Elden Ring he doesn’t even sound excited about it. It’s not even one of his top projects he worked on. He literally was like “he’s thankful for the game’s massive success” its very clear he didn’t see it coming 🤣🤣

the amount of garbage that comes out of the mouths of nostalgic fromsoftware fans is incredible 💀

ah yeah? surprised tbh, but that'd be nice given how much of the endgame in the base game is super resistant to holy lol

Slave knight boy and that grim reaper lady. VERY epic boss battles. Sick way to end the trilly

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 oh, slave Knight gale is absolutely my favourite dark souls 3 boss

I fought those bosses at a fairly low level and there was nothing wrong with their HP or poise at all lol, I was using a light greatsword too, my damage wasn't even that great

I agree

Nah 2 years is already insane, they should have just focused better on it during these 2 years

Yeah, I think a lot of Elden Ring's flaws come from overambition. Theyre sacrificing their usual polish for scale leaving a lot of cracks in its place. I love the direction their moving with the boss design philosophy though.

You probably wasn't part of either because you complain about difficulty,if you ever played any of their game you would get used to difficult by now long ago..This dlc is not harder then 50 enemies in 1 room in ds2 or any regular enemy especially late game in Sekiro does far more dmg then Elden ring dlc so what you telling makes no sense even admired core 6 had some harder bosses then Elden dlc

@@user-bf5ps3yw8o These Elden Ring D suckers are different. Git gud was always a thing we would tell outsiders that hated the games but now these people are saying it to anyone with any criticism

​​@@user-bf5ps3yw8oHow can you explain and fully justify Promised Consort Radahn then? Lol.

Holy “old good new bad” type of a comment is this?! What I’m seeing is there’s a gradual divide that’s been happening ever since From Software released Bloodborne, and that divide gets bigger & bigger due to From Software’s ventures through different game design approaches with each game they release, so you’ll see the fanbase that have been with them Demon Souls or Dark Souls 1, to Bloodborne & Dark Souls 3 audience, to Sekiro, to Elden Ring & Armored Core 6, and that’s OK, IDK why some of y’all get upset over this stuff, all I’m seeing is the old Souls guys, I call them “Boomer Souls” are starting to not like From Software’s continued efforts to get to that “perfect game” that they want to make, and it’s like Elden Ring was the last straw that broke the Camel’s back for some of you old Souls fans. Just enjoy their games lol. I’ve been playing their games since 2015 with Bloodborne being my 1st one, and now Elden Ring is my favorite game of all time & its DLC is phenomenal, ofc it has negatives here & there, but I cannot believe that From Software is still pumping out masterpiece after masterpiece like that, be happy that we have them instead of increasing that weird tribalistic divide.

​@@StanleyG23 literally every single one of his attacks are learnable and dodgeable

Oh dont worry, I more or less cheesed it eventually lol

At least bed of chaos is over in a min lulz.

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342and it's actually different. But it does suck

I agree to an extent but I felt a lot better with the manse when I realized the abyssal woods, just like rauh, are part of the legacy dungeon rather than an open world area around the dungeon I hate the lack of any enemy variety in Enir-Ilim though

@@icarusreaver3184 I agree with you on Rauh, but I don’t see that for the Abyssal woods. There’s nothing resembling actual dungeon exploration gameplay in the woods. I still thought it was a neat concept with flawed execution for what that’s worth, but that whole area still left me deeply unsatisfied since dense dungeon design is my favorite part of these games.

@@ixph it’s not a legacy dungeon for for a castle, it’s a legacy dungeon for the nightmare frontier and the forbidden woods. It’s old from soft design with slightly more verticality. It’s part of why you can’t use torrent

@@icarusreaver3184 I've played Bloodborne and every other souls game and I still don't agree. Forbidden woods is enemy dense and has two shortcuts along with multiple traps and hidden areas. Abysasal woods has none of this.

I agree. They killed it in so many departments but their level design quality has consistently gotten worse. It feels like their too linear, too easy and kind of boring. Honeslty, I think they could benefit from a few less checkpoints.

Oh no was that game not good? I loved Salt and Sanctuary but I haven't gotten around to Sacrifice 😭

​@@BertoPleaseBROTHER SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! Salt and Sanctuary is probably my most played souls game since it was the one I got into it with. But no.... Don't think nothing of what I said, pretend everything is just a bit different and have faith in that game. I just personally really don't like how it all felt but I still have hope, somewhere in my heart for the love it gave me. So just pretend I didn't say anything at all!

Haha I probably will get around to it sometime anyway, just been buried in the backlog, y'know? 🤒

More reliable for quick use than sometimes fumbling about in the item menu

It's unfortunate that Miyazaki himself supposedly directed this. Sad.

there is already a item in the base game that does that....... Sorry lol. And to get even more less impressed. Items like that have been in these games since ds2 lol.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 You feel smarter for saying that? Holy fucking reddit behavior, go touch some grass.

​@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 As a caster for the whole game i can guarantee there were no dual catalysts in the base game, the new staff is the only one

Fromsoft games have always been about memorization, you must know the enemy before being able to kill him, if you want instant reaction rewarding system you can play Sekiro, but even in that game you need to learn enemy attacks. It's not a bad or good thing is just a choice of design that you may like or not

This myth that the older games didn’t require memorization is hilarious. Cope and get good.

@@tyler547 memorization isnt getting good dude. Anything can memorize.

@@licht_22 Yeah thats why i like sekiro.

@@lorencalfe6446 do it then instead of bitching online

"I do not agree with you about this DLC" Proceeds to mostly agree about the DLC flaws lolz

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 yeah it has flaws, but I don't think the DLC is bad because of that

​@@Loretic42069lol it's kinda bad because of that let's get real.

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 None of the flaws were bad enough to make it unfun.

​@@Loretic42069But if it has that many flaws it isn't good or worth the price, that is the point.

Hmm I think yes and no for the complacency. I think if they were more self-aware they would still reconsider design choices, but yeah they certainly can get away with it because at this rate they know they're only getting more and more sales, and even if a lot of us don't buy the next product, there will probably be more new fans to replace us. For Midra, yeah I was really frustrated that he can do the explosion attack and pretty much instantly combo into another range attack or something. If you figured out a super move like that you should have an opportunity to heal or something at least, but they seem to be less and less willing to reign in bosses in that way, just let the AI go loose

@@BertoPlease yeah new fans will be there to replace the ones lost. I think this was probably their best content for the dlc in terms of stuff to do but the map does suffer from being too big. The abyssal woods, cerulean coast, charo's hidden grave even the gravesite plains feel long empty spaces with very few things to find. Suffers that mountaintop of giants type of deal but not as severe. As for the healing, I feel like they made the issue worse in dlc but I may be just imagining things. So many bosses in the dlc suffer from relentless aggression. I have to hope for a good rng to be able to get a quick opening to chug a flask. Having said that, I enjoyed ng playthrough more since bosses didn't hit a like a truck. Not getting 2 shotted felt refreshing (what a thing to feel right?). Did you fight Gaius before or after the latest patch? Because before patch he was quite cancer. He started close to the fog gate before the patch.

Leather Armor, from Patches

Honestly super based, everyone is free to disagree and move on 🤷 and they CAN share their thoughts and opinions, just dont care for people being nasty just for my dumb opinion

Y'know what? I think you partly explained my disappointment in it, it still felt very cookie cutter for this game / DLC, it *felt* like it "should* be special or unique in some way, and the only things unique about it are 1) the beginning "phase", and 2) the only "proper" boss capable of frenzy. Like ffs, even the Abyssal Woods has more of a unique mechanic overall than this nerd. I do think your idea of passive Frenzy is a good one, it could be very slow but it would be a good build of tension, especially if the attacks still build on TOP of that. Like heck I think Remina might have a mechanic where rot doesn't go down (or very slowly) once you start building it up, would've been nice if Midra had that too. As it stands the frenzy wasn't a threat, no more than just dying to the boss itself via damage, and who knows maybe it could've had a unique grab attack if Madness goes off. As it stands now I find Lamenter more interesting than Midra with its insta death mechanic

@@BertoPlease Agreed. He feels like a missed opportunity.

I'm basically saying they tried to make this boss hard almost entirely with delayed attack and it's lame and boring for it, and I'm sick of this design philosophy

you are delusional if you think they're not making elden ring 2 with the exact same gameplay lmao

​@@fieldkaijui hope they rework the combat system

I need Silksong this year or what's the point anymore 😩

Ayo? 😳

Cry harder. Go play something with an easy mode.

It’s not for everyone.

Either one of you have an actual adult response that actually read my statement?

@@opethmikeYou’re the one crying like a child, there is nothing adult about it,

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