+1

Ratbag for life baby!

Eltariel or Celebrimbor? Coz both were a bunch of hoes if you ask me.

Agreed

Ratbag rules

they may be dark, unrelenting, merciless brutes but at least they care about a brother

I was really sad when Bruz pulled that shit, he was awesome.

Sux bruz betrays talion i liked him

Love this comment

Am I the only one who thought bruz was annoying and was glad he betrayed talion?

Yep

@@secretcommunist7930 bruz was a big brain boi

CS short ok until we destroyed his brain

@@bruhski136 one of the few orcs I could see quoting Shakespeare

Foreshadow of War

so true

you won the internet

Same...

Eltariel is just teaming with the elves against men

Ha

He knew all along that's why he betrayed us to stop us from spreading across Mordor in away he was the most loyal follower

"I dont want the fort" -Bruz the Chopper

The amount of goddamned foreshadowing in this game

In a way it was a pinch to Celebrimbor about him not really caring who’s side he was on as long as he could kill. But yes, it was foreshadowing.

@@painted5887 Which is why Celebrimbor took it so harshly. (Granted I was peeved too but looking at it this way does make me feel less hateful about his vengeance...especially since I can't help but feel bad for the uruks that were driven insane accidentally by my shaming cause they were too high to own, but still). I was the kind of player that tried to brand and own all uruks I could, and boy was it a pain in Minas Morgul when there would be a chain of valuable uruks...who persistently had the iron will trait until they were in the teens.

The Amazing Crarthur He fought death, and won. He fought power, and won. He fought corruption, and he fought valiantly. In the end, he was a brave and noble Man-but just that-a Man.

I dont think he did use the ring of sauron, more like the ring wraith/Nazhgul were looking for the ring. But even if he did then it might because hes combined with a stronger spirit

He uses one of the nine for 60 years without being corrupted without celebrimbor's spirit.

Actually all you need is enough will-power to resist. Even a normal person, weak in body but strong in mind, can resist against the whispered promise of true power. But at the end the ring is stronger after all and everyone would fall.

Well to be fair, Sauron was dealing with Celebrimbor fighting for control as they became one being, so more or less those decades where spent when Sauron was nowhere near full power. When Sauron regained his power, Talion fell

A friend in need is a friend indeed

Sure, a friend who says "Join us in ruining everything good about this world". How loving.

@@lancecurry7538 Fun activities that my friends do every Tuesday

@@MatthewAMel underrated

@@MatthewAMel NICE

Same

RIGHT

The good old days when you found a level 15 captain and saw him as a challenge 😂

@@theforgottenscotsman7659 yea

Play on nemesis difficulty, lvl 30 beserker orcs will one shot you when you're lvl 80

YES i just commented about that!!

One ending to finish it all

Really

@@ryder_the_elmo5397 yes

Exacly and that 1st misson they did in the vid is not the ending ya gotta hold ya forts

Especially when you consider, in the flesh he really is just one, but he is one of the thousands of men who gave their lives for Gondor and for good

Fun fact it originated from the bible

Thats was one heck of a punch line

Hexx Gear It’s also a song

Legion

I personally think talion is the best character that was made for purpose of a game.

after celembrimor said that , i was like " damn , i thought we were comrades" and felt like he betray me personally

@@pretender1483 i never trusted that damn elf from the beginning.

Im happy you put "in this story" lol, because it wasnt that selfless but jeeeezzzzz the people in this game are fucked up lol

@@solitude_guard8756 same, the only elves I'd ever trust are Legolas, Arwen and Lord Elrond. The rest are a bunch of soulless, scheming assholes with no loyalties, drowning in their own hubris.

ratbag was always good

If there's ever a sequel or another game we may learn of what happens to Ratbag and Ranger.

Rat bag either should live in retirement or deserve an honourable death

"Becomes" the main reason ratbag was never promoted by himself is cuase he was too soft

If Ratbag will ever die in the future game/s he deserves either an honourable death or a death shared with Ranger.

DOGGOMMANDER he's got my vote

Talion: Green Lord

TheUrbanRanger AND MY AXE!!!!!1

Bitch Lord

DOGGOMMANDER The Witch-King's successor.

GageMS4243 me I did if it was me I would've ended the she elf ended celebrimbor and kept the silver ring and fought sauron foreva

Rikaku Tenshima dude, you could kill sauron given enough time, as evidenced in the movies, they destroyed the ring so sauron was gone practically forever.

Xenon Zenith the dark lords will never rule over the kekistanis

Ryan H damn right

I loved this ending 100%. Yes I would've liked to fight celebrimbor and dominate him instead of him doing the dominating. A third game is likely to happen, celebrimbor's life force is fused in the silver ring which was not destroyed.

isnt morgoth dead?

@@tylernicholas7481 No. He's been banished into the void but he'll be back eventually.

@@malsserenity3679 I don't think Sauron cares Morgoth. I can expect this line actually.

Lol

What is morgoth again

LMFAO 😂😂 So true.

Haha yessssss

if celebrimbor stuck to the god damn plan they could be in tahiti right now

Why do you have a big chungus profile picture it’s 2020

@@sillygoose2878 shut yo bichass up

Jake Weatherly it actually goes "dark lord bright lord same thing really" but still good point

foreshadowing is a real bitch some times

Then he broke my heart :(

He knew it all!!!!!

Jake Weatherly doesn't shelob say u and sauron are the same

This game is a prequel to LotR

she took one for the team, lol

@@Amphyb wait then why did she kidnap Frodo in the first place? seems kinds self-destructive to hinder the hero who has the one thing that can destroy ur most hated foe.. maybe she wanted to destroy it herself instead? or perhaps saw thru the Web of Fate that the event had to happen so she went and did it anyway despite thinking it was a bad idea. I mean idk XD

@@sekira4516 yup. you never know what could have happen. maybe it was the only scenario where Frodo didn't fatally trip over a rock on his way to Mount Doom, lol :)

Rywolf it should be obvious if you read the silmarillion and the Lotr books as well as the hobbit, all of this, isn't canon, cause well, i highly doubt one see through boy, celebrimbor, and a bargain brand female Legolas, eltariel, can defeat one of the maiar, sauron, also helm hammerhand was born 5000 years after the nine nazgul were created, same with isildur but in his case only 1000 years, and Minas ithil fell in the second age, to be honest this was more of a 'hey let's follow lore but put in our own just to make this more interesting' also Shelob was just a giant, dangerous, spider in the actual lore, which the movies follow as absolute best they can, she wasn't able to shapeshift, or even give a damn about the struggles of middle earth so long as she could continue to eat, also only two of the nine had names, the witch King, and the second in command khamul (spellcheck) the easterling, so yea while this is a interesting story, it's all non-canon my friend

well morgoth was locked forever. If sauron had more power he could betray Morgoth.

that was what i was thinking

Z Morgoth is foretold to break out of his prison during Dagor Dagorath, even Sauron isn’t going to be messing with that

Jinxler John heh

Morgoth gonna breathe and Sauron will be on the other side of existence

I think that’s cause he merged with celebrimhor and lost his physical form

Mr. Hord Not everything evil is orcs in the Nemesis System.

@Kevin Fox So first off shadow of mordor and war aren't cannon. Secondly we only know of two of the ringwraiths the witch king and Kamul(might not be spelt right) he was an easterling or a man of Rhun. In the Return of the King Gothmog was theorized to a ringwraith. Finally the the different masks are just to distinguish the 3 other ringwraiths.

Well The Witch King was Saurons bitch whereas Talion was a former Rival who fought his rings Influence for decades. Giving someone like that any more power or even any Identity would most likelt turn him into a Brutus and no king wants a Brutus

Wtf sauron does not control talion ?!??

so how was he killed then old age i wonder when the morder army broke his line and killed him

@roger cook poor Talion killed by a goddamn hobbit well at least hes back with his wife and son now

lol

@@robert23456789 Not any old hobbit!! the son of BILBO baggins!

@@kanavkohli794 nephew.

「The Planet 」 bruz quote love it

~ Bruz The Chopper, the first ally you get at Act II. Betrays you because he knows you were going to betray him anyways.

End result is me ripping spines off which i like to do anyway ;)

And it came out to be true.. both of them were evil in the end and tried to conquer the world. One of them was dark and the other light but both evil... the light is not always the right path...

What stand is that 😂😂

Isn't that the whole point of LOTR? That it's easy to get corrupted by Rings of Power and lose your principles.

@@FraserSouris maybe, but the people who are corrupted are either punished for their deeds (boromir, Frodo, Gollum) or rightfully become the villains of the story (Saruman, Nazgul, Gollum,lol) neither of these happen to Eltariel, who is still the hero of the story despite stabbing the protagonist in the back and trying to help a tyrant get the tools he needs to dominate the world

@@rhysoverbeck5251 Because Eltariel's story isn't complete yet. Like, Talion and Celebrimbor didn't get punished in Shadow of Mordor, they got punished in Shadow of War. Eltariel's arc is her starting out with the moral high ground, getting corrupted by power and then eventually facing the consequences like how Talion, Celebrimbor, Boromir and Gollum did or becoming a villain with Celebrimbor This is like reading Fellowship of the Ring and complaining that Gollum isn't punished yet but Boromir was.

They didn’t do a good enough job showing her desperation. Eltariel was in exile hunting Nazgul, which was an impossible task since they never die. She’s meant to fall to temptation since she saw a way to eliminate Nazgûl and go home.

@goblo023 That's actually the best in character explanation I've heard. Good thinking.

Rudy 285 but I still get killed by that bastard assasin

Saurons actually says that in game?

yea its a phrase he uses during the battle

To be honest it’s true I mean before shadow of war talion kicked Sauron’s ass while wounded and if you think about it was he was also level 1 when beating Sauron plus Sauron had celebrimbor powering him up but talion still kicked his ass in a simple QTE

man what a shitty ending, and it all would have been fixed if the elf chick ended up fleeing from sauron and you some how get revenge on celebrimbor and said something like "hows this for petty revenge?". but here its like, oh yeah all that hard work to get to this point?, yeah fuck that fight the final boss with some side character you dont care about.

Well Sauron certainly learned his lesson from the Isildur incident given he used it on Celebrimbor's new bitch

I have found LOTR to be quite boring really, read the trilogy last year, it was quite decent but didn't find anything extraordinary. I liked ASOIAF better.

+ThiSyndrentic, geez, Umar Ali just shared his/her opinion. No need for such salt.

+Umar Ali So why exactly are you on a lord of the rings video if you find it so boring?

Evan Thomas THIS ISN’T CANON

Is that canon? The captains and soldiers of Talion felt his loss?

Jotaro Kujo I imagine so. Ratbag, Ranger, they genuinely loved him as a friend.

Jotaro Kujo it’s never stated but I imagine so, considering they were connected to the Ring that bonded them and their master

Ratbag was probably the most loyal Uruk, and he was never branded.

@Narcisista umm no considering he got branded in the first game for information

Agreed, he kept his humanity. Even through it all, all the deaths and all the killing, all the fighting the ring of isildur for 60 years, all the time spent all alone it seems, he kept his humanity, his selflessness and his will

TimesUpize u are so right People should like these endings more

unless it is a God of War QTE where Kratos rips Sauron's spine out his front and beats him to death with it

I’d rather it be a QTE for the real ending than a 40-50 hour grind for the real ending

Preston Nance I know right? It took a while night for me to beat the shadow wars. It got really stupid to the point that I couldn't even care for my orc captains anymore. They just kept bleeding out left and right in the hopes of finally watching the ending. I was beginning to think they were doing that so some people would actually buy the microtransactions out of sheer frustration. Feelsbadman

It took you 40-50 hours to do act 4? Damn, that's bad, took me about 5 hours. Full game start to finish, all quests and side objectives done in 57 hours. Who likes short games that cost $60?

couldn't agree more

Which is hilarious, given knowledge of what happens to those who aid Sauron and Morgoth, unwillingly or otherwise, in actual lore. Still, it's a fine enough ending.

There is mention of specific warriors being resurrected to fight against Morgoth in special circumstances, so that could make for a good third game lol. Talion walks into the light, ready to relax, and sees a giant horned monster eating people.

He be like: 'Is u serius ri nou?!'

Dizzy Doom The Valar tend to forgive people. They forgave Fëanor (presumably since there is no mention of him being doomed to some place other than the Halls of Mandos). They also forgave the elven race as a whole when Eärendil came.

No kidding, held off the ring for 60 odd years even though he knew for a fact he would fall

Power is the most intoxicating drug/drink there is regardless of how minimal the amount it is.

Well. Almost everyone. The only one who the ring couldn't corrupt was... Samwise Gamgee. The book stated that Sam was so pure and simple that when he held the ring for a moment, and the ring showed him what he desired most (which was honestly just a lovely home with a lovely garden), he looked into the vision and scoffed at it. No other character who the ring tried to influence beaten back the corruption so easily, even if they were momentarily exposed to its influence. The only other character the ring couldn't tempt was Tom Bombadil, who is let's just say an incredibly powerful entity that is masking its true nature (Tom is written to be an enigma intentionally by Tolkien after all).

Would it be better if Talion was instead corrupted by the New Ring?

@@SupaL33tKillar welp, from the point of mythology, Bombadil is a chtonic spirit, a personification of wild Nature itself. neither the Dark, nor the Light can claim him

SupaL33tKillar Aragorn also resists it for a brief moment when he is offered it by Frodo in fotr but Sam resisted for much longer even though he did take a moment before giving it back to Frodo

Ray Valentine Because it is nihlistic bullshit

Reid Parker Yeah, Batman is edgy in a way.

the mantra of every Skyrim player ever

"Cruel leaders are replaced by leaders who turn cruel"

queue dovahkin saving game

In the final stretch against the defense of gorgoroth brûz was my bodyguard and he saved me from a no chance and then a few seconds later he died and to say the least I shamed him at least 30 times

I have a brother his name is ur-benu but he became a maniac after I had to shame him so he could join my army now all he shouts is GORZNEG but he's the only loyal one I got if you could become blood brothers with orcs he would be my brother he used to be know as ur-benu the warborn but he's now my best orc called ur-benu the maniac he's the best pit fighter I got though he even helped me get undying loyalty by killing a orc 15 levels higher than him

Saw an orc called dùsh the massive I dont know if it was ù or ú

I had a great rivalry with a rhymer, greatest rivalry ive ever had, R.I.P my rivalry brother

I used to have a brother but he died after saving my life

I said the same thing

Yeah you want death I want that same thing really

REIVIORSE Yeah, the broken sword of his will never be replaced.

REIVIORSE indeed. Acharn, Vengeance, Everything he fought for

When my Talion became a ringwraith the default broken sword disappeared from my inventory but the dot that denotes new inventory items remained. I know it's a glitch, but I like to think that dot is the lingering memory Talion has for his son inspite of the sword being gone.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, but Acharn doesn't disappear from your inventory. It just gets a new look.

No it basically upgrades itself into a legendary weapon

Morgoth is gone, never to return. unless Dagor Dagorath is made canon which is unlikely

Count Spartula "I serve no one that hasn't been pushed out of reality via the door at the end of the world"

Well, Morgoth is not dead. Just floating through oblivion without legs and arms, just a chest with head attached to it.^^ There is very funny fan-art and fanfiction about it. xD

He served Morgoth in the first age after that he's his own boss in the second and third age and as pointed out by SJ the Dagor Dagorath prophecy is not canon it was removed from the Silmarillion.

He don't serve Morgoth, because, he was his lover

My sword, my bow and my axe!

@@justsomerandomguy992 Oh, and my soul!

That Spiderwoman.. man she's sexy🤣

@@aykutinhooo8591 remember the rule of every human. Never find spider attractive.

@@antonigrzmichuj5402 Spider bad. Stomp spider.

these games are not cannon to lotr

@@chaboiassassins ok bruh

sparten593 They are rings of power - not wedding rings. Index fingers are much more controlling and diverse, making it quicker to put the ring on/off. (I know your only joking)

Well what you say DOES make sense but they never plan to take them off do they? And if someone tries to cut your finger off (*cough cough* Sauron *cough cough*) they the index finger is the first to go. And it is a joke but i still like talking as if its a serious topic XD

sparten593 Your index finger is infact much stronger (bone-wise) than a wedding finger. So I guess there is that? Granted, you could argue it is more exposed, but if someone such as Sauron was aiming to cut it off, I doubt either circumstances would make a difference. ...thinking about this way too much lol

They say in the game and movies the ring changes shape on it's own

Mack Giles just the one ring not the nazgul rings.

I like to think he was also the one who took a torch to the face against Aragorn and was sniffing the hobbits out when leaning on the log in the first movie. :)

Oh my god... it all makes sense!

Talion, a force to be reckoned with in his ranger days, but among the most incompetent nazguls ever. lol

DLC idea

He was fighting Sauron the entire time

Don’t feel bad. He completed his original goals. He’s literally the reason it took Sauron so long to launch his invasion (bought over 60 years of time for Middle Earth) without him Middle Earth would have fallen quickly, his family would go unavenged as Sauran (who is the reason his family was killed) becomes ruler of everything, and finally he was released to the afterlife to be with his family after decades of fighting for good and brief time as a Nazgul

Complete plot twist when I saw that Celebrimor betrayed Talion.

Men don't actually go to the Undying Lands after they die, they go to a place outside of space and time, possibly the Timeless Halls.

it was a bad ending

Except for he was still in mordor, those were one of the gates he was walking towards.

actually not quite, humans have an afterlife in lord of the rings. imagine sovngarde mixed with a great open field where mankind roams free of strife and war (same symbolism when he throws away his sword) the reason they have an afterlife is because they can determine their own fate and are not bound to the fate of the world like the elves. you know how mankind values freedom so much? this is how Tolkien uses that hunger for freedom for the sake of what i call "the lore of mankind".

Technically speaking Tolkien wrote Middle-Earth and all of Arda to be just feigned and 'unremembered' history of OUR world. So, our afterlife essentially falls in line with that of real life. IN that Eru gave men the gift of death, but Morgoth made us fear it. Elves are immortal and will be constantly reincarnated in the same body after a time of cleansing in the Halls of Mandos. No one really knows what happens to Dwarves though, though some think Aule made his own Hals for them. The Silmarillion basically just says men will seek adventure and things within the confines of the world but never be satisfied until we die. The reason being if you look at the cosmology as being within OUR world and the fact Tolkien admitted the work reflected his own beliefs the more he wrote them what you're talking about is a version of heaven for mankind. Otherwise there wouldn't be a big issue about Elves and Men being together if we all ended up in the same place. We do not, the implication of Tolkien's work is that when this world is destroyed Dagor Dagorath (Armageddon) the Elves are destroyed along with it, but mankind will be side to side with the Ainur when a new song is sung creating a new world. AKA The new heaven and new Earth. It's Christian theology like it or not. Just spiced up with pagan ideology and uses where it suited Tolkien. So, yes Talion seems to be one of the excepted few who got to go to Valinor (although even Frodo died as he wasn't immortal even whilst in Valinor), but in the end he had to go beyond the confines of the world. IE to be with Eru.

His war is finally over.

Denise Lau He also doesn't hesitate to drop his own sword, but he takes a moment to grip his son's broken sword before dropping it to the ground. (Don't give me credit for this, another dude in the comments made me realize this)

And also the same flower he gave to his wife before she died is growing right beside his broken sword

Nick P Talions story was sad but important, through his loss he was able to keep Mordor at war long enough to give middle earth enough time to destroy the ring

True

jared pope I mean, he saw his land destroyed, his people enslaved, his family butchered before him, he suffered torture and humiliation. It seems natural that Calebrimbor developed that lust for power, he never wanted to become a victim again, to be powerless as all he loves crumbles before him, so he wanted all the power and control. All things considered, its a standard reaction to such powerful trauma. Then he utilized acute narcissism to justify his actions to himself and others, who under utter despair before Sauron's growing might, were easily swayed by the superpowered cure for all their ills that just appeared out of nowhere, even one who is clearly mentally unhinged.

KaiserAfini we’ll put and in a lot of ways it shows how Talion despite experiencing trauma close to what Celebrimbor experienced stayed true to his morals and himself. He never wanted power for powers sake there was always a purpose for him. To defeat the dark Lord and avenge those he loved. In summary small scale typical hero thinking. Celebrimbor wanted more he wanted everything that was the dark lords even he’s complete obedience. I mean what a dick Celebrimbor clearly hasn’t seen lord of the rings fellowship of the ring to return of the king. She shelob however did.

jared pope Well, Talion had an advantage. According to the Silmarilion, humans, half-elves and dwarves have the ability to choose their fates. Elves are super gifted and physically immortal, but once their doom is upon them, all paths close. So when Sauron wronged both men in a similar fashion and brought his taint upon them, Calebrimbor's fate was sealed, while Talion could still choose a moral path (key word is could, it didn't prevent the second host from choosing power over justice). The smith is a truly sad character, all that power, knowledge, skill and ambition, yet they could not be used to protect anything he truly loved or even grant him peace.

KaiserAfini true

Not only that. Celebrimbor had completely forgotten about his family. Talion had a purpose, to one day reunite with his family in death.

I do like how insane the first war was. We're talking a legion of Bal Rogs flying ships filled with angels...a mountain sized dragon. Really puts Sauron and how deeply screwed and scarred middle earth is in perspective.

L Shadow Irony is, Sauron serves Morgoth.

L Shadow it's true that Sauron did serve Morgoth in the first age but after Morgoth got sent to the void, Sauron took his place as the new dark lord so in the time of the second and third age of middle earth he wasn't serving anyone

there weren't that many Bal Rogs in Morgoth service, they served the same position as Sauron, Lieutenants in charge of Uruks and other beasts

Forthog bitch you serve me!

@British Bloke killing her as talion would be more fulfilling I think

@@ink66 From finishing the game recently, the elf-story feels like cliffhanger where it never really says what happens to Celebrimbor. It might be that after their golum lord of the ring game, we might see continuation of the 4th age/new story spin-off regarding elf.

I really liked her but seeing her take the ring and let Talion die is fk up i wish we get that to kill both of those traitors.

Galadriel can't die

At least eltariel yeah

Celebrimbor must’ve REALLY wanted that Nazgûl to work for him

@@pikapanda577 he did. The reason they went after Isildur first was because of the necromantic powers afforded by his ring.

Blade of galadriel expansion leaves it wide open for a sequel with eltariel as the main character.

why is everyone so pissed about microtransactions lol you could just not buy them you don't need them to win at all

Honestly this is the one game where microtransactions DO NOT matter. You could say, this is one game to rule them all.

They could totally do that for Star Wars.

@@salmonfish1031 If they don't do anything then why are they there? I played the game too, I know that the microtransactions were 110% unnecessary to the gameplay. But they were there. It was more an issue of blatant corporate greed in the over-all industry than it was an issue with this game specifically. Single-player game with micro-transactions, good god!

tzeentch khorn Frodo wasn't either, I think the point is that the potential for good or evil always lies within us, but only our choices define us.

But she still declined, she could have taken the ring ez pz because she's badass. The fellowship sucks against her.

datboiwholived she already had a ring. But the 3 elves herself, elron( and the elf lord from the hobbit) have the rings of power. But Saurons ring was beyond powerful.

gandalf has the ring of fire he gor it after the second age from gil-galad

Jacob Bailey she also has 10 fingers, she could wear another ring. It doesn't matter that she already has one, she declined because she feared to change and become another "dark lord" and turn against her allies. Thranduil doesn't have a ring btw, as Thomas already said Gandalf has it and he got it from Cirdan when he arrived in middle-earth, not gil-galad. Cirdan got it from gil-galad. Gil-galad died before Gandalf arrived in middle-earth.

The point is he got his final release and was given death after Sauran was defeated, releasing him to be vulnerable to a fatal blow. He likely felt the disconnection and wanting to go to his family in the afterlife, flew into the fireball he easily could have dodged to die ASAP. My mans been fighting for over 60 years. It gets tiring at a certain point

Would it not be funny if Talion was the one that constanyly sabotages the dark lords plans by leading his fellow Nazgul to do incopitent stuff like being caught in a flood and being burned by Aragorn.

@Fright Wright ops Sorry Sir.

@@forickgrimaldus8301 incopitent? You mean incompetent?

@@ArchangelExile yup

Blade of galadriel expansion set it up perfectly to allow that very thing to happen.

okay well to be fair what if the new game has a redemption plot for the she elf

Her redemption needs to be her suicide into the fires of mt doom with the silver ring

This game is the sequel. If they make another it would be a trilogy

@@chriscormac231 yes. I endorse this ending

Rexxy6, I was dissapointed when they replaced skins with armor and weapons.

You can't

Rexxy6 agreed

MEMES4 LIFE, we already know you cant.

I don't know why they didn't do that. Such a missed opportunity 😞

Nobody but us the players would know what actually happened :P

Someone's gonna write some crapass fanfiction about this.

There is actually an story expansion inside the expansion pass of the game which tell her side of the story. Maybe from there we can know her ending.

CMDR_Kai Gaming yep, I might

shes in the next game..

She lost her mind under the influence of the dark Lord's dominion over mordor

It was the bearer of the one ting after all.

@@devils_kin0449 I agree. She just seem like a mindless animal who just survived just to eat. That’s all she cared about during the lord of the rings.

The lore behind Shelob, what little is talked about by Tolkien, indicates that she is part demon as well as as this aberration of a spider. This comes from the fact that she's the last child of Ungoliant, and that chick was definitely half demon. Basing this line of logic somewhat off of Judeo-Christian mythology and angelology, being demonic would suggest that at one point the mother of spiders was a spirit or the hybrid daughter of one, and as a half Maia, she was corrupted and seduced by Morgoth back in the First Age. Therefore, her kids would be of fallen Maiar descent too, and have access to crazy abilities like illusory manipulation to appear as they choose, kind of like Sauron becoming elflike and beautiful as a callback to his ex-Maia self. Fast forward to Third Age, they also state that technically Shelob was independent of Sauron's influence. So this Shadow of War plotline is cool with me only because of that hypothetical concept that she is like a chaotic neutral being with leanings towards the Darkness because of her heritage, but also a sense of honor. It doesn't explain why she would just eat the guy who planned to bear the Ring to Mount Doom and destroy her rival in Sauron, but it does fill some origin story plot holes. It's hard for me to believe a mindless creature could live for millennia without being sentient and having more power than just being big and scary.

Hey, that freaking gardener is a freaking legend, make no mistake.

Agreed, almost cried bruh

Crystalic fire hahaha

dont give away the brotherhoods reasons on youtube its only going to make it easier for those fu**ing templer bastards to join us and destory us fromthe inside like that lucy bitch tried

cmon man lucy was alright..

Nah, they cut it off because hidden blades have a horrible design

Kaneki Nightcore i was being sarcastic man. And i know why they cut their fingers of, because i die play all the games.

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True

Isildur wants you to corrup lol

This visionary is asking the important questions that people should actually care about.

Ranger kept him alive long enough to survive, he’s probably in a cave somewhere with an elderly cranky Ranger while Aragorn rules and probably dies with Ranger around the time Aragorn dies.

Ratbag is the new mordor underground OG, ruling over those orcs that survived, spitting bars with ranger and getting mad orc pussy.

And Idril, and the characters from the first game who neither appeared nor were mentioned.

Shadow of 3 play as ratbag raising a new orc army to take back middle earth after the events of the movies.

availabilityavailabl God forbid you have to play the game lol

Kalib Blanchard there’s a difference between playing a game, and enjoying it

Whaaat? You actually have to play and complete a game to get the ending?! What is this bullshit!

You fuckwits defending this are unbelievable. It is CLEARLY an attempt to get you to buy their lootboxes to gain stronger orcs and finish the Shadow Wars faster and unlock the end cutscene.

Toisestars619 which literally no one is doing because (shocked gasp) you don't have to! Oh my god! :O

Well, story's a bit "Meh," just like SoM, but the gameplay is absolutely amazing and playing the story is still worth it for necromancy.

that's a fact.....

It's not

@@CassidyCope you have your opinions but I gotta say your opinion is shit,story is the best thing ever

@@dranzerjetli5126 Ding dong your opinion is wrong

@Berserkgaming maybe it wasnt so unlucky actually.. maybe he deliberatly flew into its path cuz he knew what that meant for him and was ready to finally rest in peace and rejoin his family. also my personal headcanon is that Talion was the Naz'gul that both got burned with the torch by Aragorn and looked down in the tree stump and knew they were there but was like "fuck Sauron I'm going to pretend I dont notice them." in his head. XD

That's what happens when you roll a nat 1 on a reflex save

Sekira yeah I think you have a point because he released the previous owner of the Nazgul ring and he wanted him to finally as he said “Find peace in death”. Maybe he also understood he couldn’t live like that

Nazgul

Well all the nazhgaul died because that sauron died they are connected so yeah

Ernco-Ernisk he stopped being cursed and fighting cause he took a fire rock to the face and died.

Ernco-Ernisk not canon mate

QuiteDaPlayer_ still it's fun to watch them connect it to the movies

They are talking about the game not the story mate We all know it is not cannon due to jrr token law and that he created the books ages ago Well done to spot that

QuiteDaPlayer_ maybe not to the books, but I'm 100% sure it is with the movie. I clearly remember a couple of years ago that Peter Jackson was working with Monolith to fit Shadow of Mordor into the movies. I remember Monolith saying on multiple occasions that the Shadow of franchise is canon. Why would they put so much time and money into this franchise to only have it be non canon, that's just retarded. Also, it's not up to you on whether or not it's canon (or just canon to the movies). If we're talking about the movies, then that's up to Jackson to confirm. Until then, stop spreading that bullshit.

@SamBoy 777 That actually would be a great name for the next game.

@SamBoy 777 more like Shadow of Talion

Talion even makes a note of this in the first game. "There will be no metals or glory for us, Calebrimbor." "Maybe. But we must fight so that others have the chance to be heroes."

This isnt cannon. Talion never existed. Celebrimbor was actually a good person and never forged the one ring. Just the 3 elven rings. "Unlike both his father and grandfather, Celebrimbor was selfless and kind, and neither prideful nor covetous of what he created. He was described to have an "almost Dwarvish obsession with crafts"[5]; he became a famous artificer and smith in both Gondolin and Eregion. His love for crafts took him to Eregion, where he was introduced to a precious metal which he called mithril. Mithril was mined by Dwarves in nearby Khazad-dûm, later named Moria. Great friendship with the Dwarves of Moria developed, and skills and secrets were shared between Moria and Eregion for many years via the high road. But a long period of peace would not last, for upon realizing the trap which Sauron had devised for him, Celebrimbor was filled with anxiety and fear for his people, and was later described as the heroic defender of Eregion."

​@@nickninja27 sounds like something Calabrian would say?

@@MajorBaker-vz9go I'm just stating facts

@@nickninja27 it's game canon, just as books are book canon, and movies movie canon. There can be multiple canons, because of the creator. What makes a series canon? Recognition, lore, or something els. No, a story is a story. There is no true way to tell a story, nor is there a bad way to tell it.

but celebrimbor is already dead. he will fade to exist with sauron when frodo and gollum destroy the one ring.

twistedmetalplayer21 19:13 check how she says death to talion and how he dies

So you think he went back to talion ? (What I do not get is talion became a nasgul but he is still a wrath attached to his own body yet becomes invisible )

he is dead. he was from the very beginning. how do you kill something that is already dead?

i think he went to the halls of mandos, finally...

He's like "You agree with this idiot?"

adanalı tepkisi

*you see?*

@@anonguy772 Yea and "Ayo WTF?"

He is from "You hear what this idiot says? " To "you agree with this maggot?"

I thought the same

''We are many. You are one. We will destroy you!

Talion said”I am one but we are many “

Brandon Berry yeah, and was under his own control until Sauron finally dominates him many years later

Sauron wasn‘t in mordor when minas morgul was taken he still kept himself away and tried to gather his power in dol guldur.

Brandon Berry for decades. It’s kind of cool how he retains control for so many years and most likely in complete silence with no one else to talk to save for orcs of course. He fought so hard for so long he was finally rewarded with everlasting peace

Brandon Berry He kept them away for 60-75 years. He did what they needed the most and that was time.

Which makes no sense because, lore wise, there was no buying time, it just takes very long to summon up an army of millions, as was necessary to take over Middle-Earth. I mean, irl today that would take decades. Irl 500 years age that would've taken centuries of planning...as it did in LotR

talion's son who else. if the father is cool then the son is cool as well, probably..

I dunno,I think Baranor is pretty cool.

@@Drakon_Minaka I loved baranor as a character. A human killing so many orcs

@@jomcabanilla3732 too bad he's dead

ratbag duh...

They learned their lesson from the last game

It really doesn't incorporate at all with the story. Sauron was never even a giant flaming eye stuck in his tower.

Oliver Patrick he was after the battle with Celebrimbor.

Gollum says that Sauron has four fingers on His hand, and the Orcs in Cirith Ungol say that Sauron will send for the Hobbit prisoner, or come Himself.

+twistedmetalplayer21 the ending is suppost to incorporate with the lore a little bit the developer said so and it did

wow that was beautiful thank you

Thanks for explaining the story end. I was .....like what the hell happened ...but you have it in a short summery. Thank You

I dont think humans get to go to Valinor. In fact, no one knows what happens to them after death.

Alexander Ash Elves and ringbearers go to valinor I'm pretty sure. And since talion was technically a ring bearer he got to go I'm sure.

actualy sauron spirit is still alive until the final battle together with morgoth he will regain his corpse

Turtle 2002 he’s dead

@@chryslerpeters2931 I think he didn't die

Yeah he is cool character. But in my opinion if they ever going make sequel i hope they leave Talion out of this. He fought against Sauron for decades and he also fought FOR Sauron for decades. He is been through enough shit.

As long as I get to play anybody but the she elf I'll be fine

I really want a silly game with ratbag bumbling around as the mc lol

right?

CrashGaming the rest of the ending is after he completes the shadow wars and reachs 100%

@@eslamelmidani But which one is the bad ending and which is the good ending?

@@wildrussiansnake8978 The one with the 100% of the game is what?? Bad ending or good ending? jeez lol

@@wildrussiansnake8978 That means there is ONE ending lol. Complete the game and its all stages (10 Stages) and you finish the game. I only see one ending.

Veni Vidi Vici Technically, he did become Sauron.

The Light blinds, The Light burns.

Szelob is good, celebrimbor is shit, tolkien crying...

if you watch LOR you will see that lady galadriel said about doing same thing when frodo wanted to gave her the ring . a bright evil lord instead of a dark one . no one is really good

TV Tropes- Light =/= good

I FIGHT FOR THE BRIGHT LORD!

Yeah

I would support sauron because he's a badass

@@ethansylliboy344 ur wrong

@@falsified6432 lol

NewbridgePiano That would give him an identity - yet he lost himself and is now a shell of his previous self and a slave. I like him being the same as it emphasizes what personality he has: none.

Some hoods you pick up have a nazgúl mask

I think there's a Nazgul hood variant with horns similar to Helm's mask

If u complete the shadow wars u can get all the nazgul masks

Talion does not have a different look because he was not a king that got a ring from sauron. That is atleast what i think.

I think they give you the answer with the way you dominate orcs...Sauron didn't want to just kill Isildor king of men and last hope of middle earth. He wanted to bend him to his will and unleash him on the world.

Well to get a little more lore-y Sauron's touch was like molten fire. He killed the Elven High King Gil-Galad by grabbing him and burning him to dust with just his touch. It was an act of domination in that sense I suppose. To utterly burn one away with just a touch. Having thrashed Elendil I'm guessing Sauron's folly, at least in Tolkien's mind, was his arrogance in trying to do this same thing to Isildur who had his chance to cut the Ring from his hand. Bad guys in Tolkien work like sowing the seeds of their own downfall.

Holy shit i just realized this game fixes that huge plot hole from the movies.

Beas7ie in the books it doesn't happen liked that

Sauron believe himself a savior, a ruler, a tyrant, not a killer. Why kill a man if you cannot be killed yourself?

He ultimately avenged his family, saved Middle Earth, and showed his strength and threat to Sauran by resisted the power of corruption of Isildur’s ring for over 60 years and finally received the true death he had wanted to go to the afterlife with his family

Revenge is a dark motive

Talion never really fought for revenge. In both games Talion's "soul" concern was protecting the living so long as he deemed it worth protecting. By the second one you can see how Talion no longer cares for revenge when he tells Ratbag that he is honored because he named a good friend after him. He even fought to protect Ranger when he knew very little from him but simply associated him with Ratbag. Revenge slipped away from Talion a long time ago, Celebrimbor just learned how to deceive using Sauron's method. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he developed some kind of homosexual feelings as that is the only thing on his mind is to "dominate" Sauron.

Venom Snake how do you get that ending?

believe it or not most people don't know that much about LoTR lore, so it was absolutely necessary

Bob Dylan that's kind of sad. Lotr is one of the most important sagas of western literature.

based on where this is in the timeline, he gave middle earth 75 years.if we take Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel's purge of minas morghul around the battle of five armies as the point of shadow of mordors start if bilbo went at that point he would have fell before mount doom. Tallion and Celebrimbor gave Middle Earth the one thing it needed the most. Time.

Venom Snake k

Corey Rhodes True, it would be better like that

shadow of lords

third game maybe ?

Yeah its non-canon anyway i wish they made the game a What if story but still the nazgul are loyal to the one ring it would be cool if they just make talion have a powerful willpower for revenge and he cant be dominated by sauron nor celebrimbor like the orcs that can withstand domination a third game like that would be cool

:) may be buddy

Very much agreed, they made a somewhat hollow character into a lovable guy

Nine Lives he technically saved middle earth (while damning himself).

It really is, Tolkien is probably smiling down upon the creators of this game. Him as a Christian would highly support the entire series, as Gorey as it can get, due to the Christian philosophy of one man dying to himself in order to save all others, and while this is a stretch, I still believe the similarities are enough that Tolkien would be proud.

Nine Lives Tolkien wasn't the type to portray main characters as shades of grey, look at Aragorn, Gandalf, and Sauron for example, Sauron is literally pure evil while Gandalf and Aragorn were just good guys, and this style of fantasy writing was what George R.R. Martin changed with GoT.

+Hao Jia Jing You're forgetting Isildur. What happened with him. he was good yet he ended up falling for the ring. The same happened with Celebrimbor

Celebrimbor always remained in the light actually and never betrayed his kind

Dylan Soney Talion moves on to the afterlife in the end. So I’m pretty sure this is it for Middle Earth, at least for Talion’s story.

We got a new shadow of war dlc boyzzzz

You should have understood the sacrifice part when he first put on the nazgul ring.

spoilers the Blade of Galadriel DLC ending and main character are way worse than the base game true ending, in fact the whole DLC is a huge pile of shit all over poor Talion's legacy and achievements... it made everyone rage pretty bad...... avoid it.

I wanted another game rip

Lmao I wasn’t only one that noticed?

Exactly!! For me, the bright lord's last speech is one of the most epic scenes in a video game ever.

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