Thanks for these precious info :)

These mordorian uruks have loyalty to Sauron, the stronger ones that were made by Saruman in Isengard dont give a flying fuck about Sauron, just so we know that not all Uruks are loyal to Sauron

A fish with incredibly long legs Well obviously. It's to whoever created them, so.

Iaylaruan yeah that makes sense

That would likely explain his disdain for the other orcs in particular

Legit and sorta reminds me of old Legolas, if he could ever get old.

Indeed

The first ever orcs were simply mutilated and tortured Elves, after all. He still carries that certain "fair aura" that Elves carry.

I heard the name "Ogg" before

he might have been an elf and he got corrupted

Chances of him being resurrected once or twice still exist tho

paavo hakkkarainen also thats how all/most orcs are made in the lore of the games and books

Hes kinda like mgs 3 the End

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Sorry bud, but thats total noncence. In my opinion only the books, notes and letters of tolkien are cannon. I have read all the notes and letters of tolkien and he never specified how orcs came to be. He even stated in some letters that there orc woman and even peacefull orcs who farm.

@@mikm1330 I'm pretty sure hes right because the first Orcs were fucking corrupted elves and the next generation of elves were the pure form of orcs.

@@mikm1330 The orcs being corrupted elves is in the Silmarillion, the rest of what he said is more speculative but it's a logical assumption to make.

- Ogg Bow of Morgoth

That hypocrite lol. I wonder if betrayal is by programing just a random card that inevitably pops up by chance.

@@rachdarastrix5251 as far as I know ogg only betrays you after you attack him many times.

actually no. that line belongs to the uruks and orcs who you derange that are "immortal" or "unkillable". so in actuality his stature is considerd a immortal.

deadmeat888 I've also seen it from titles like "the dead" that orc usually says "necromancers haven't let me rest for the last thousand years" in fact it's in one of ikigas videos if you don't believe me

@@deadmeat8888 I know your comment is old but do you have the source to a list that tells you what derange youll get

Most were on point except for orc die from the process of aging but something worth mention, orc can live a really long life but how their life end ultimately is debatable but I would guess on battlefield/infighting thanks to their bloodlust nature.

so would he remeber his life as a elf

@@ikigaofficial Tolkien had many theories and ideas on the origin as well as lifespan of Orcs, though in at least one case we see they can have quite long lifespan, Azog and his son Bolg in particular. Bolg died in Battle of Five Armies approximately 142 years after death of Azog, his father so Bolg of the North must have been older than that at the time of his death during events of The Hobbit. In any case other than that obvious familiar connection of Bolg and Azog, we get reference to an orc-child (eaten by Gollum :)) in The Hobbit as well in one of his letters Tolkien wrote: "'There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known'." Orcs of the First Age, or at least those who survived would be the progenitors of all Orcs living throughout the later ages.

fantasywind thanks for sharing and elaboration. Yea, their lifespan's pretty dope and its fair that the Valar granted erm shorter lifespan than other prominent races (e.g. dunedain, Ithilien, elves), else Middle earth would be run amok by them orcs. First age orc lifespan's longer than the rest probably due to their elven blood since they corrupted elves compare to those next in the line orc breed from dark magic. Yea, orc child, orc granny and orc women were mentioned but mostly on hints than direct clue. Definitely wish to see erm in future! Speak of the game, I would love to see Torvin and his brother (forgot the name).

@@ikigaofficial wasn't his brother killed by the beast? It was his whole motivation for killing it I think. In general I would say that I would like to see more video games set in Middle-earth, open world games with huge area to explore and people to interact :) that would be something, a more immersive experience, imagine for example a Lotr game with...Red Dead Redemption 2 engine now that would be awesome :).

Thanks for sharing. +1 point to that. The more evidence being solidified for the fact that he was an elve 😁👏👏👍

Probably? He _was_ an elf. All of the first Orcs were Elves that were tortured and mutilated by Morgoth.

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@@erikfrommeyer2606 imagine if you had to defend the fast travel points as well as your fortresses

Indeed. Also if you pay attention to his skin, they're saggy meaning he's really old. So Bow of Morgoth is one hella legit first batch probably produced by Melkor

This looks like Lothlorien elves chest armour

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+ikiga thanks for the recognition!

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i also imagine when zog ressurected the archers of morgoth that ogg was there watching and being very angry

K9vendetta The wolf of mordor The case with Ogg is especially certain, as he was one of the original orcs; a tortured elf, not a vat-born Uruk

And that's because they are elves.

K9vendetta The wolf of mordor: Possibly. But the main reason Ogg hates most Uruks is because they follow Sauron, who he sees to be a pretender. He hates Sauron more than any other being; as Galadriel indicates, he hates Sauron so much he'll even side with an Elf, which may indicate his hatred for Sauron surpasses his loyalty to Morgoth. Since Zog wants to overthrow Sauron, I think he actually would've sided with him. The only reason he didn't, IMO, is because Eltariel got to him first.

Yeah but Zog wanted to BECOME the dark lord and rule mordor, not just overthrow him, which would probably be seen as even worse by ogg, one of Saurons abominations being in Morgoths place.

Thanks for sharing. Thats what we want to believe indeed tho I gotta say his eyes might suggest hes the byproduct of necromancer since almost all cursed/necro/dark power relevant orc personality has that glowy eyes and pale skin so yea

Thanks for sharing. Yea, the possibility is there.

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Yeaa I actually sorta get his point because Morgoth is the real Dark Lord who started everything while Sauron only utilized what's left of the former DL as his own legacy unless he admit/announce he's doing Morgoth's bidding else Sauron is nothing but a copycat

Yeah, Sauron in his time was truly a faithful servant: "Though of immensely smaller native power than his Master, [Sauron] remained less corrupt, cooler and more capable of calculation. At least in the Elder Days, and before he was bereft of his lord and fell into the folly of imitating him, and endeavouring to become himself supreme Lord of Middle-earth. While Morgoth still stood, Sauron did not seek his own supremacy, but worked and schemed for another, desiring the triumph of Melkor, whom in the beginning he had adored. He thus was often able to achieve things, first conceived by Melkor, which his master did not or could not complete in the furious haste of his malice." History of Middle-earth X Morgoth's Ring Part 5: "Myths Transformed" Orcs Interestingly in one of his letters Tolkien wrote: "Because of his admiration of Strength he had become a follower of Morgoth and fell with him down into the depths of evil, becoming his chief agent in Middle Earth. When Morgoth was defeated by the Valar finally he forsook his allegiance; but out of fear only; he did not present himself to the Valar or sue for pardon, and remained in Middle Earth. When he found how greatly his knowledge was admired by all other rational creatures and how easy it was to influence them, his pride became boundless. By the end of the Second Age he assumed the position of Morgoth’s representative. By the end of the Third Age (though actually much weaker than before) he claimed to be Morgoth returned." Another text comparing Sauron to Morgoth: "Sauron was greater, effectively, in the Second Age than Morgoth at the end of the First. Why? Because, though he was far smaller by natural stature, he had not yet fallen so low. Eventually he also squandered his power (of being) in the endeavour to gain control of others. But he was not obliged to expend so much of himself. To gain domination over Arda, Morgoth had let most of his being pass into the physical constituents of the Earth - hence all things that were born on Earth, and lived on and by it, beasts or plants or incarnate spirits, were liable to be stained. Morgoth at the time of the War of the Jewels had become permanently incarnate; for this reason he was afraid, and waged the war almost entirely by means of devices, or of subordinates and dominated creatures. Sauron, however, inherited the corruption of Arda, and only spent his (much more limited) power on the Rings; for it was the creatures of earth, in their minds and wills, that he desired to dominate. In this way Sauron was also wiser than Melkor-Morgoth. Sauron was not a beginner of discord; and he probably knew more of the Music than did Melkor, whose mind had always been filled with his own plans and devices, and gave little attention to other things. The time of Melkor's greatest power, therefore, was in the physical beginnings of the World; a vast demiurgic lust for power and the achievement of his own will and designs, on a great scale. And later after things had become more stable, Melkor was more interested in and capable of dealing with a volcanic eruption, for example, than with (say) a tree. It is indeed probable that he was simply unaware of the minor or more delicate productions of Yavanna, such as small flowers.1 Thus, as Morgoth, when Melkor was confronted by the existence of other inhabitants of Arda, with other wills and intelligences, he was enraged by the mere fact of their existence, and his only notion of dealing with them was by physical force, or the fear of it. His sole ultimate object was their destruction. Elves, and still more Men, he despised because of their weakness: that is their lack of physical force, or power over matter; but he was also afraid of them. He was aware, at any rate originally when still capable of rational thought, that he could not annihilate2 them: that is, destroy their being; but their physical life, and incarnate form became increasingly to his mind the only thing that was worth considering.3 Or he became so far advanced in Lying that he lied even to himself, and pretended that he could destroy them and rid Arda of them altogether. Hence his endeavour always to break wills and subordinate them to or absorb them in his own will and being, before destroying their bodies. This was sheer nihilism, and negation its one ultimate object: Morgoth would no doubt, if he had been victorious, have ultimately destroyed even his own creatures, such as the Orcs, when they had served his sole purpose in using them: the destruction of Elves and Men. Melkor's final impotence and despair lay in this: that whereas the Valar (and in their degree Elves and Men) could still love Arda Marred, that is Arda with a Melkor-ingredient, and could still heal this or that hurt, or produce from its very marring, from its state as it was, things beautiful and lovely, Melkor could do nothing with Arda, which was not from his own mind and was interwoven with the work and thoughts of others: even left alone he could only have gone raging on till all was levelled again into a formless chaos. And yet even so he would have been defeated, because it would still have existed, independent of his own mind, and a world in potential. Sauron had never reached this stage of nihilistic madness. He did not object to the existence of the world, so long as he could do what he liked with it. He still had the relics of positive purposes, that descended from the good of the nature in which he began: it had been his virtue (and therefore also the cause of his fall, and of his relapse) that he loved order and coordination, and disliked all confusion and wasteful friction. (It was the apparent will and power of Melkor to effect his designs quickly and masterfully that had first attracted Sauron to him.) Sauron had, in fact, been very like Saruman, and so still understood him quickly and could guess what he would be likely to think and do, even without the aid of the palantíri or of spies; whereas Gandalf eluded and puzzled him. But like all minds of this cast, Sauron's love (originally) or (later) mere understanding of other individual intelligences was correspondingly weaker; and though the only real good in, or rational motive for, all this ordering and planning and organization was the good of all inhabitants of Arda (even admitting Sauron's right to be their supreme lord), his plans, the idea coming from his own isolated mind, became the sole object of his will, and an end, the End, in itself."

Thanks for sharing :)

Thanks for sharing. Morgoth is more hateful because he has the powaa while Sauron is more calculated due to his limited power as compare to his boss. Nonetheless, this orc is the only one who lived since Morgoth age not even the like of "Ancient One/Dead" could dethrone him!

Ikr. Sounds despair, dark but badass. It reminds me alot of the night watch from GoT somehow lol

Grandpa be like *I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE REST!*

LORD?! *Bow* 🙇🏻‍♂️🙇🏻‍♀️ Bow of me Lord might be working as an undercover me Lord 🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♂️

Thanks for sharing. Definitely, one being the last of its kind (corrupted elf) living so long and old while another one being corrupted slowly and cannot die 😞😖

Interesting info mate

Analytical Trash ogg vs zog

Yeah i got that idea too

I think he’s just really old.

You were sorta right here :)

Painkiller his deranged lines seem to suggest otherwise though

Thanks for sharing. Tbf the game has no intent to be 100% truthful to the origin so its fine for him to use "Morgoth" in his name 😅

Just wait until you see the Death-Monger. ;)

HAHA! Or feel bad for the guitar being used to strike with such brute force and still hold...wow that guitor maker is something btw

@@ikigaofficial Mordor musicians build them tough. Got to be in Mordor.

Dj Cuevas rest assure *THE SINGER SONG WILL NEVER EENNNNNND!*

Thanks for sharing. Other than the "Dead/Ancient One" this guy right here is probably the oldest being in the game but as the end suggests he needs a long rest so Necromancer pls STAPH!

@@ikigaofficial No problem! And exactly, idk who thought it was a good idea to teach magic (especially black magic) to Orcs but they owe all of middle earth an apology. Anyways though, yeah in my opinion the mystic tribe have some of the most interesting Orc characters/variants.

Sun Enthusiast ikr orc aren't that smart so having them learned necro skill is just a double edge sword. You were right about mystic tribe has the most interesting orcs since we have the like; raven (dark prophesy orc), the darkness (relates to the nazgul), of the eyes (guy can see the future), chosen one olog (nuff said), gravewalker (literally the real gravewalker knocked off) etc etc. Personally I like my dark tribe the most mostly because of ma "Stormbringer" :D

I mean the more obvious the tactic is,the safer the tactic is 🤭

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Thanks for sharing. It depends on one nemesis system & happening by chance, not everyone encounter the same :)

Ikr. The elaboration is well received and hes probably the oldest orc in the game other than Zog

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Thanks for sharing. I agree, he's definitely a cool orc. But I wish he had more to say about the lore instead of just the general quotes. As for a top 5 favorite orc? I don't think he'd make it into mine. 😅🤔💭

That moment when *jazz stops* for Ar-Benu

Yea! I know right! 😁

Aimbot confirmed

*RAAAAAAAAAHHHH!*

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You're right!😁👍🏻

havent had a rebellion yet but i really want 1

K9vendetta The wolf of mordor it sucked 3 of my favorites the eater of men was the new guy and tried to kill my dream eater

Good for ya though personally, I would prefer revealing armor more, revealing armor can have it's perk too :)

Thanks for sharing :)

Yea, too bad the idea wasn't in my mind that time :(

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True. Basically, when you been doing something for far too long but you have to do it till you're dead.

That makes him LeGrandad

He missed the day morgoth was in danger but lets spare him that mistake,it was the army from valinor after all the enemy

Blood Reaper 88 no he uses Aimbot provided by Morgoth himself

They should have installed another crossbow on a crossbow so it becomes submachine gun of crossbow 😅

Thanks for sharing. Seems like it for sure especially since he didn't mention anything relate to necro or being reanimated sort which usually those resurrected orc likes to brag/complain about. Other than his saggy old facial + appearance, his wordings also suggests hes that old, been through done that sort. An interesting orc nonetheless.

The old legolas yes

Maybe brother of the Legolas XD

Thanks for sharing. A corrupted elder elf becoming an orc but retaining atleast half of its former elf's glory (shooting skill, knowledge, etc.), then dying in the early war with Melkor's company, but somehow getting resurrected probably by Zog when Sauron was reigning many many years later. He's probably confused, tired, and lost since his former lord is long gone.

He be like I'm angry that you shame me...OPSSSSIE *falls onto the ground*

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Right on target. Given that he was the first corrupted elf to turn into an orc and that he still recalls his prior life as an elf and what motivated him to continue to this day despite being corrupted by Melkoth, the last part is actually rather sad yet fascinating.

That would be like one of the “Lost Generation” (1900s/ww1), meeting a Boomer(50s/Vietnam), *Maybe* a millennial(adults by 2000/war on terror).

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Ogg finally gotten himself some upgrade after so many years serving his lord Melkor. A steel jaw? Better than nothing I guess xD

ikiga so he became trap jaw from he man universe

Relatable :)

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The real question is does it convince you to get these floss and toothpaste? 😁

Thanks for sharing. Can't disagree with that 😁

Thanks for sharing. Yea, hes definitely the first batch of orc corrupted from elve that further justified by his title "Bow of Morgoth", Morgoth was the first dark lord before Sauron so hes either living since then OR being resurrected on and off BUT I doubted the latter because he has that saggy old skin unlike Zog's skin whos still firm.

*Helm's deep reference intensified*

He be like oh shit someone's watching!

SPINAROONIE GUTAIRONIE

3: Morgoth has a thing with elves thats why he made me 😅🤭🤭

@@ikigaofficial no i dont mean 3: i mean :3 i smile

Thanks for sharing. I think he can still die but yet he survived till this point, alone and old since hes that skillful and a survivalist. Nonetheless, its a curse indeed.

Thanks for sharing. Can't disagree with that 😁👍🏻

Thanks for sharing. IKR!

Other orcs: exactly what we expected to happen Dead orc: you shrakh eating shrakh!

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Thanks for the compliment mate! Mightbuilder armor, 40%+ get might when hit gained 5 (or 10 might? can't remember exactly) might. Sword is so-called amaratine, 10% chance critical and 20%? chance to get might when hit so I can easily accumulate might by just a few hit and execution really easily :)

Nice addition of knowledge right there. Thanks for sharing.

Says the one who helped Sauron created the One Ring

LOL!

Thanks for sharing again. Interesting 😁👍🏻

Thanks for sharing. Creative way of imagining I must say 😁👍🏻

@@ikigaofficial would make alot of sense considering he has the revived glowing eyes only yellow instead of the darker green

xander taal yea if we judge by the eye color, that saggy skin could also spelled he died at old age before being revived. Personally, I like to think the eye color don't matter (for his case in particular) and since he doesn't moan/sounds/act like undead and the same time hes no necromancer so I like to assumed he lives and fights for Morgoth till very old age.

@@ikigaofficial yea thats probably it but zog also didnt go numb after being revived by others

xander taal yea but probably because *Zog is a necromancer (sorcerer sort) thus capable of retaining personality/soul after being revived BUT ofc this is all self-explanatory/speculation.

Yea, the elven reference is all over him including that long & smooth hair and extra pointy ears.

Thanks for sharing. It's better late than never! Yea, very likely, but for whatever reason or under certain forgotten context, I always presumed the Drake capt was an Olog capt, not an Uruk hmm...

Thanks for sharing. Can...Kinda...Kinda relatable to the Viking. Kinda yea but indeed his loyalty to Morgoth is unquestionable 😁👍