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Writing Experimental Fiction | Using Form in Your Writing

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ShaelinWrites

ShaelinWrites

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@emorybrinson6179
@emorybrinson6179 3 жыл бұрын
There is just something about your channel that makes me want to write. It doesn't matter what the video is about- I usually don't even make it all the way through before I have to pause to write a snippet of a poem or the next scene in my wip. Thank you for the great content and the inspiration ;)
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
this makes me SO happy I could cry
@MA-jv4et
@MA-jv4et 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the exact same way! It’s something about all those books behind her and the soft voice and the title, about writing, that makes me want to write.
@emorybrinson6179
@emorybrinson6179 3 жыл бұрын
@@MA-jv4et I KNOW!!
@autumncosandaffect9735
@autumncosandaffect9735 3 жыл бұрын
Same! When I'm stuck I look here for a nudge. Thanks Shaelin!
@matthewroberts198
@matthewroberts198 3 жыл бұрын
I finished a flash fiction of mine I had been thinking about for a while of how to write it. She really helps out
@rev6215
@rev6215 3 жыл бұрын
The Hairstyle 🖤
@rachelwritesbooks
@rachelwritesbooks 3 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE GLOWING THE HAIR IS MAJESTIC ❤️❤️❤️
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@annlillyjose356
@annlillyjose356 3 жыл бұрын
Now that I'm done watching the video, I want to say thank I'm so thankful to you Shaelin for your videos. You make me believe in myself as a writer and makes me want to improve myself and work on my fiction.
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
that is so sweet oml, I'm so happy I could help!!
@cindymiller8950
@cindymiller8950 3 жыл бұрын
I've spent the past few years relearning, unlearning, and recontextuallizing everything I learned in school about writing. These videos are super helpful and inspiring. 😀 I have been experimenting with story types and forms and it's really fun.
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
yesss experimenting with form is so fun??
@hannahpalmisano5695
@hannahpalmisano5695 3 жыл бұрын
I was just listening to Shaelin’s voice when she goes “And yes, I cut all my hair off” and I gasped before I even looked up 😂
@rev6215
@rev6215 3 жыл бұрын
The more you talk about Honey Vinegar the more I fall in love with it
@sonsofhk
@sonsofhk 3 жыл бұрын
I'm writing a story about a scientist who suffers emotional trauma. She summarizes what she feels into formulas (used sparingly in the narrative) to cope. Example: "one part shame, two parts frailty. Simmer to a boil." Still working on it, but thank you for pushing us to do better and break from conventionality.
@rociomiranda5684
@rociomiranda5684 3 жыл бұрын
That sounds really interesting.
@mayamehta5794
@mayamehta5794 3 жыл бұрын
I just finished a short story that was told in the perspective of a (kinda crazy) woman who accidentally killed her daughter, and it's written like a letter of apology. It's not the weirdest or coolest story out there but it's the first one I have ever written which I reread and somehow didn't immediately hate, so I'm super proud of it! :)
@yohomie4098
@yohomie4098 2 жыл бұрын
WOOOOHOOOOO 🥳
@avasghost
@avasghost 3 жыл бұрын
The hair ✨ also very good timing for this video because the book I’m planning to start in a few days is v experimental with form and was intimidating until now!
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
ohhh I love that for you !! writing books with an experimental form is so fun!
@gloriafrimpong17
@gloriafrimpong17 3 жыл бұрын
THE HAIR. LOVE. 💟
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@evadikongue1482
@evadikongue1482 3 жыл бұрын
i'm writing this soft-science-fiction-slice-of-life story where the main character can receive/take memories, her mother gave her all of her memories of her against her will so she could live without the guilt of abandoning a child-the main character struggles to find her own identity because she lives with some parts of her mother's life inside of her, and she has narcissistic episodes where she sees life as a game in which she wants to control everyone around her by giving and taking memories and pushing moral boundaries-she's kinda lost in her head with all the pieces of people she steals so it's like a messy first-person retrospective of scenes that happen over 20 years, i've had a hard time finding the appropriate form to write it but you definitely help a lot
@user-yu4rh6zj9x
@user-yu4rh6zj9x 3 жыл бұрын
I'm writing a story where the character is narrating in past tense (while everyone else is in present) until he meets his love interest
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
oooh that is *so cool*
@MA-jv4et
@MA-jv4et 3 жыл бұрын
Hey this sounds so cool! A great definition of unity form and concept! (I would so read this)
@annlillyjose356
@annlillyjose356 3 жыл бұрын
Just started watching, so there'll probably be another comment soon. But love your hair! 💕
@recinbersvoice8802
@recinbersvoice8802 3 жыл бұрын
For a while I’ve really wanted to write a story from the perspective of two people which live as one. This video inspired me to begin drafting it. I won’t finish it (yet), as I’ve got larger projects which I’m much more dedicated to finishing, but it’s a very fun process. In writing it out, I felt like the two people simply living as one was a bit limiting, so I expanded their power set to include a sort of omniscience that they have of the objects that they are familiar with. This has led to an interesting story where their house burns to the ground and that event severs their omniscience to those objects. That’s about as far as I have gotten, but it’s an interesting process.
@dannylam4180
@dannylam4180 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why this video was recommended to me nine years later but I'm sure glad it was!
@ayoubsbai6339
@ayoubsbai6339 3 жыл бұрын
Your hairstyle is breathtaking :)
@rozitaaah
@rozitaaah 3 жыл бұрын
The jean jacket! The hair! The motivation your videos give me to write and read and fall in love with words again when I've been in a slump!!! Just thank you, and have a lovely Christmas.
@IsabelA-hp9yt
@IsabelA-hp9yt 3 жыл бұрын
In the novel I am writing right now, I use both first and third person to get across my two leads’ extremely codependent relationship, and tense for foreshadowing. Also, inspiration for the ending just hit. During this video. THANK YOU! Your new hairstyle is awesome by the way.
@clintoreilly
@clintoreilly 3 жыл бұрын
Like the ghost POV concept. Even more is the hair do. It looks nice. No longer hiding your ear jewelry. 🙂 Thank you. Not only for showing character, but also for the video. Keep well.
@e-t-y237
@e-t-y237 3 жыл бұрын
That's the first dramatic pause I think I've seen you do since I started binge watching/cramming your videos. (After the "second person, referral, witness, omniscient ghost narrator" part.) Wish me luck I'll need it and I've got it ...
@GeekyRaptorStudios
@GeekyRaptorStudios 3 жыл бұрын
So basically, form could also include video games that are there to tell a story. Like Ori and the blind forest. Basically a video game that is a vehicle for a wonderfully drawn and animated interactive story. The game is as much an art piece as it is a game. And immersive storytelling is at its core.
@ryanb3665
@ryanb3665 3 жыл бұрын
If you want a novel that experiments with the unity of form and content, try House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. It’s not for everyone due to its experimental nature, but for me it blew my mind with how well integrated the form and content is.
@sonsofhk
@sonsofhk 3 жыл бұрын
I second this. It's an excellent book
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 3 жыл бұрын
This haircut is EVERYTHING
@user-ex1yu8sm2e
@user-ex1yu8sm2e 6 ай бұрын
"suddenly the story was easier to write because once it was logical, it made more sense, and it's easier to write things that make sense" best quote ever🤣
@jordankelly1163
@jordankelly1163 3 жыл бұрын
love your hair!
@rockbandny
@rockbandny Ай бұрын
Im starting a short dtory which is how to make a sponge cake. Basically its a kid being instructed to bake a cake, in 2nd person, you being the kid. And it is basically this kid has been left alone with the writer of this recupe. And it gets kinda scary
@maya-gur695
@maya-gur695 3 жыл бұрын
First of all, your hair is awesome! Secondly, I think what you do with experimental forms of writing is so cool. Maybe someday I'll have enough courage to try something like that, right now I'm just afraid that it will be a complete fail.
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
If you want to try you should give it a go! Especially with a short story the stakes are so low, it's great to try it out and if it doesn't work it's no big deal! Imo it can actually be easier than having to follow a more traditional form since you basically make your own rules. It's very freeing!
@JoshKnoxChinnery
@JoshKnoxChinnery 3 жыл бұрын
I want to make a video giving homemade examples of a bunch of interesting perspectives, and plug this video and your other video that gives an overview of them. Just letting you know you've inspired me to add to the KZfaq writing scene.
@Jamesington
@Jamesington 3 жыл бұрын
Your POV video inspired me to rewrite a story in first person referral because that's what made the most sense for the story. And my writing group loved it!
@nabilamiah3814
@nabilamiah3814 3 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. old hair. :( But you do you. I've been waiting for an upload, and this one did not disappoint. Especially because I've been meaning to experiment with form in my writing for some time now. Thank you so much for your videos. You always make me want to write.
@ChBrahm
@ChBrahm 3 жыл бұрын
Have you thought about making a Discord for your channel? Would be really interesting to have a more direct and fast way to chat not only with you but also with the subs of the channel Great vid
@brigittegerlach
@brigittegerlach 2 жыл бұрын
Well I never learned writing but this helps a lot. Things I never consciously thought about
@samanthabledsoe7129
@samanthabledsoe7129 3 жыл бұрын
Your new haircut suits you! Thanks for always giving us great content. Experimental fiction is something I've been interested in for awhile.
@sangamithranataraj531
@sangamithranataraj531 3 жыл бұрын
I love your hairstyle!!! And thank you so much for making this video now...I've just started an experimental novel and this video is so helpfullllll
@sangamithranataraj531
@sangamithranataraj531 3 жыл бұрын
In the story the narrator's pov is in prose, and other povs or exposition is in the form of poetry
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
okay I *love* the blend of poetry and prose !
@sangamithranataraj531
@sangamithranataraj531 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShaelinWrites I hope it comes out wellll! Eek thank you :D
@ilikepankakesuk
@ilikepankakesuk 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been trying to do some fantasy fiction writing, you have been a massive help explaining key concepts of writing for me. Many thanks :)
@siuzannavyshneva6312
@siuzannavyshneva6312 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I turn up, she's more pronounced somehow. It might be the weather or the hair, I don't really fathom. Just a few things at once.
@annadunwell3237
@annadunwell3237 2 жыл бұрын
Time Stamps the best. thank you thank you.
@atis9061
@atis9061 3 жыл бұрын
IDK if it's my ongoing passion for experimental fiction or just your video (or both) but I'm LOVING this and your recommendations are really great, thank you. I think your subconscious was exceptionally active because your collar was upturned, that's your visual significator (haha) :)
@BetweenSunAndMoon
@BetweenSunAndMoon 3 жыл бұрын
I am very sad that Holding a Ghost is not yet a published book. I want to read it so badly!
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
hopefully someday!
@nocturnus009
@nocturnus009 3 жыл бұрын
Apologies for repeated attempts to suggest this, but I’m loving the discussion in Jeff Vandermeer’s Wonderbook. I see/think it’s the book people really want to recommend when they push King’s, “On Writing” !✍️ Jeff and his wife has an AMAZING reading & Q&A at DC’s Politics & Prose for Borne. I am about to rewatch it, but I think it was where Wonderbook was pinged on my literary Sonar.
@claytongriffith8323
@claytongriffith8323 3 жыл бұрын
It's the hair for me 💝
@j.rileyindependentproductions
@j.rileyindependentproductions 3 жыл бұрын
In my WIP (working on draft 5.5), originally I was going to have my MC's story start as 3rd person close, until we meet the mentor in which case we find that he is the one telling the story based on what he'd witnessed and what she told him later... It would have been epic, but I'm just not epic enough.
@liddonburns8195
@liddonburns8195 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos! Your voice is so calming and you seem like such an intelligent and wonderful sweet person! You educate and inspire me so so much and I am so SO grateful for it ! I always get excited seeing that you’ve uploaded and I respect you as a creator immensely, so thank you !
@efosaagbonson1581
@efosaagbonson1581 3 жыл бұрын
I would say Amen to that Emory...she makes you want to write and write.
@brvndxxxn
@brvndxxxn 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 💚
@UdyKumra
@UdyKumra 3 жыл бұрын
“Point of view is very integral to this video” WOW I AM SO SHOCKED 😉😉 Tbh I love you raving about POV it’s the perfect nerdy topic that I’m super into
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
At least someone is into it because I cannot! stop! apparently!
@dirtywashedupsparkle
@dirtywashedupsparkle 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Pulling away from the trees to see the forest right now...
@sazmarie1281
@sazmarie1281 3 жыл бұрын
Love the hair! Btw I’m rewatching your old videos and in your planning video you mentioned a book called ‘we don’t exist anymore’ is that an old title for a book that I would know? I’m nosy I know. :)
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
It’s an idea I ended up shelving sadly so I’m not actively working on it!
@BradRobertBenford
@BradRobertBenford 2 жыл бұрын
this is a wonderful video, very well explained! thank you!
@krishnarchanakg6984
@krishnarchanakg6984 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas with lot of love Shaelin
@penphoria
@penphoria 3 жыл бұрын
Your new haircut suits you so well ❤️✨
@victoriannecastle
@victoriannecastle 3 жыл бұрын
Another great content, Shae. Blessing us before the year ends. Happy Holidays, everyone Keep writing
@delaney9383
@delaney9383 3 жыл бұрын
You talk in depth about very interesting topics that are rare to find on writing KZfaq channels. Just an idea - I’d like to hear you talk about your experience going to school for creative writing in a video one of these days 😄
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
I've actually got a video on that topic! It's a Q&A from a few months ago, it's called 'all about writing degrees'! And thank you very much
@delaney9383
@delaney9383 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShaelinWrites Oh, okay, thank you!
@travis_approved
@travis_approved 3 жыл бұрын
I love the hairstyle it looks so good 🙌
@mickeyzeckendorf3886
@mickeyzeckendorf3886 3 жыл бұрын
your haircut is badass shae good for you
@Scumsplat
@Scumsplat 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOUR HAIR!
@inconspicuouscrab3355
@inconspicuouscrab3355 3 жыл бұрын
omg I just chopped all of my hair off too! and like sooo many of my coworkers did? something is in the air. (I haven't actually gotten into the video yet so sorry for not actually commenting on the content,lol)
@nadeeraansar9757
@nadeeraansar9757 3 жыл бұрын
Shaelin Your Haircut is..........Dope🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😊😊👍👍
@rafizulhaque8193
@rafizulhaque8193 Жыл бұрын
So much informative
@thetmarathi
@thetmarathi 3 жыл бұрын
Shaelin, could you start the separate series about writing novel..that series should be step by step guide about novel writing..that will be fun and will be exact step by step.. and one more thing I following you since Jan.2018..but think about novel writing step by step Guide video series..
@rachelthompson9324
@rachelthompson9324 3 жыл бұрын
Good work, interesting stuff
@shamusobi2748
@shamusobi2748 3 жыл бұрын
Not that my opinion matters....but short hair styles are just better in general lol everryone looks better with short hair. Also I really love these videos on the side of writing you never really see. Who knew experimental fiction was a thing!
@roxanartventures
@roxanartventures 3 жыл бұрын
Hi shaelin I’m curious what kind of books you’re reading right now and if you can make maybe book reviews
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
I have a series of book reviews on my channel called 'recent reads'!
@alyssabaquir
@alyssabaquir 3 жыл бұрын
Same I hate shifting point of views like Into the Water by Paula Hawkins.
@gloriafrimpong17
@gloriafrimpong17 3 жыл бұрын
11:23 That is what made me finally dnf The Fifth Wave. The majority of the story was in first person, but when it came to the little brother perspective, it switched to third person and it just made it feel like a cheat, like they couldn’t successfully write from a little boy’s mind. Understandable, but still threw me off
@r_dice3608
@r_dice3608 3 жыл бұрын
I might've just found my dream girl😍
@rafizulhaque8193
@rafizulhaque8193 Жыл бұрын
Love from India
@StellaDonna88
@StellaDonna88 3 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate your interesting writing topics. :-)
@augusthawley5504
@augusthawley5504 3 жыл бұрын
Oh also! I already commented once but my best friend is writing a 2nd person ghost pov short story?? And he's never read/watched any of your stuff before (don't worry though it's super different and very cool (also his first story ever)- it's about these people who've been reincarnated and fallen in love lifetime after lifetime and then one finally doesn't reincarnate but the other does, so the ghost one watches over the lover without them knowing and it's very cool).
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
okay i LOVE THIS IDEA
@hatezis
@hatezis 3 жыл бұрын
Great video :) Also this hair looks good on you as well :)
@messinalyle4030
@messinalyle4030 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I see what you mean about how it would feel like the author was breaking their own rules if they switched point of view in the middle of their novel without somehow indicating that they were going to. So, could the foreshadowing of the upcoming point of view change be as simple as using headings telling you whose point of view you are in, if the piece is going to be in multiple POVs? The books that I have read that do that have never felt jarring. The first examples that come to mind are Fade by Robert Cormier, and Christine by Stephen King. And yes, I've never read a book that only did one chapter in a different POV than the rest of the book, but I agree with you that there needs to be a bigger percentage of the book than that in the different POV for it to earn its right to be there. One chapter would just feel like an aberration. I think Christine was about two thirds in first person from Dennis's POV and about one third in third person jumping from one character to the other. But even one third is enough. Especially if you do headings like I mentioned in order to establish from the beginning that this POV isn't going to be consistent all the way through. I *think* Christine does headings--it's been a while since I read that book.
@iisazelx9340
@iisazelx9340 3 жыл бұрын
UM HELLO YOUR HAIR?! MA’AM?! The queervolution
@V5Z7A
@V5Z7A 3 жыл бұрын
Love 💖 your Hairstyle. Love 💖 your Voice. 😍 ❣️😍❣️ 😍
@jacobfranklin730
@jacobfranklin730 3 жыл бұрын
it's time to get funky funky funky *whispers* with form
@minch333
@minch333 3 жыл бұрын
Really insightful video! If you're into point of view, you should maybe check out Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad. It's like a Russian Doll of point of views, it's really beautiful!
@kevgh3869
@kevgh3869 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever let you know that you are beautiful?
@gracestowe6713
@gracestowe6713 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized that a story I wrote a while ago is also a first person referral witness omniscient, except the narrator is a demon and it's in past tense.
@iztrash
@iztrash 3 жыл бұрын
For my very tiny brain.. how?!
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
LOVE THAT
@MA-jv4et
@MA-jv4et 3 жыл бұрын
I’m intrigued
@gracestowe6713
@gracestowe6713 3 жыл бұрын
@@iztrash The narrator was a demon who was omniscient and the story was him observing the main character who was referred to as 'you.'
@sophienewton8348
@sophienewton8348 3 жыл бұрын
Shaelin I'm obsessed with your hair v cool did you cut it yourself or get it done?
@devinkurounk5016
@devinkurounk5016 3 жыл бұрын
Open windows paint?
@thomastruthseeker
@thomastruthseeker 3 жыл бұрын
Hair missing. Different, but nice. Fantastic video, as always.
@AddilynneLastname
@AddilynneLastname Жыл бұрын
as an experimentalist this is not really what true experimental lit is like or how its made tbh
@brianketaren5132
@brianketaren5132 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@redfox.689
@redfox.689 3 жыл бұрын
How do you go about interacting with others that read your work but keep questioning the format you use? My story is called "WOLF OF PENUMBRA." It is a post-apocalyptic sci-fi high school drama where the main protagonist is a "werewolf." I say "werewolf" because there isn't really anything else like her. But there are also all kinds of "mythical" creatures that come from an "underworld" through breaches to the surface. The story is submitted episodically online. I write the story like a cartoon script, but I also play with fonts. My idea is that it's like an animated series (14+, not for kids) with all the scripts made and character art completed (I'm a digital illustrator, so the images are linked to the story) but it gets canceled before ever even starting. Each episode is around 7,000 words, and I am limiting myself to 35 ish 45 max pages in "pure" script format where each page is about a minute. With animation however, it's more like 40 seconds a page because animation often needs more description. First page is a rundown of what it is. "In a post-apocalyptic world where portals invite the supernatural, a mischievous high school student attempts to live a moderately normal life after becoming the first human-wulver hybrid. A werewolf." Then I go over how its age rating means it will include topics such as drug use, smoking, sex, etc. Each episode has a content advisory as well. After that, I reference a "script reading key" located at the bottom of the PDF for those who have never read a script before. But even then, I still get comments that defy the format. In this format, I stick to what the audience can see and hear only. Smells and thoughts need to be almost directly from the character and scene description. I've had many talk about how it should be a comic instead or how I could "convert" it into novel format to get it published. But both of those kind of defeat the purpose of these being scripts found from a project of 4 seasons, each with 24 episodes, 96 total, a full animated series the length equaling about 8 novels. I am going to continue my idea because I'm mainly doing it for myself anyway. But I would like to know anyone's thoughts on how you would respond to those readers?
@seobscript
@seobscript 3 жыл бұрын
YOUR HAIR YKUR HAIR YOU ARE T H E PRETTIEST oh my gosh
@rociomiranda5684
@rociomiranda5684 3 жыл бұрын
Very becoming haircut!❤
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 3 жыл бұрын
so i'm back. SECOND person referral? how does THAT work? is the person referred to, th... the reader of the story? so the.... MC is..... confessing (let's say, just for example...) a thing..... to the reader? like, the reader is not a character, but rather the reader is..... the reader? that's okay, i'm writing a first person referral omniscent witness narrator.. but who is still alive.....
@ShaelinWrites
@ShaelinWrites 3 жыл бұрын
It's basically like 1st person referral except reversed. In 1st person referral the protagonist is the 'i' and another character is the 'you' so the story primarily reads as 1st person. In 2nd person referral the protagonist is the 'you' and another character is the 'I' so the story primarily reads as 2nd person. Keep in mind these are not official terms, just something I made up. Do whatever works for your story and that's all that matters.
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 3 жыл бұрын
​@@ShaelinWrites oh yeah, i'm definitely going to do what works for me and my story, i just wanted to get a better understanding of what was meant by this. and i do, now! so thank you! also, thank you sm for indulging my SUPER late addendum inquiry. :)
@rev6215
@rev6215 3 жыл бұрын
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