Shark Gill Felling Cut, TUTORIAL.

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thexmanjdd

thexmanjdd

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you find this tutorial informative so that you know not only the steps of the Shark Gill Felling Cut, but WHY it works. And WHEN to use it.

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@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
I'll answer a question that has come up multiple times in the comment section: "Have you had any barber-chair". No, not a single one and none of my friends that have been doing this since 2017 have had a single one. There are times that look like a barber chair is starting and it looks dangerous, but it never barber chairs, what I determined is going on is that layer of lumber is staying put while the tree is trying to go, so it looks like a barber chair, but when that "lumber" streak breaks loose from the log, the thing that looks like a barber-chair goes away. I included one in this tutorial, an ash. That was probably the "ugliest" one I've ever seen, but I've had many look like the beginning of a barber-chair, but it never amounts to one. I'm not saying it's impossible for a barber-chair at this point, I've just never seen it yet and I've felled a lot with this technique. I've also made really ugly cuts with the gills where they came out in the same location on the other side or even crossed a little on days I was feeling off. Those ugly bore cuts didn't seem to matter; it's a quite forgiving technique.
@1975dbryant
@1975dbryant Жыл бұрын
That is the hot sauce, thanks for sharing man😁
@ocsplc
@ocsplc Жыл бұрын
I’ll second that. By action of sheer physics, the shark Gill counteracts the forces which would cause a barber chair. It’s actually an antidote to barber chair, not a catalyst
@ocsplc
@ocsplc Жыл бұрын
@@TubeMeisterJC hey buddy. I have no quarrel with your point. Although I’ve never had a barber chair, I have heard two coming. When cutting Dead Ash I don’t wear a technical helmet. I wear a Kask with a visor and NO ear protection. That’s how I can hear the cracking start. I’ve heard them coming twice and in my opinion the only reason they never came to fruition was because I got right to my shark gill plunges with all deliberate speed. I’m sure others do it differently but I certainly wasn’t trying to minimize the problem
@ocsplc
@ocsplc Жыл бұрын
@@TubeMeisterJC ..oh and I agree. Nothing guarantees immunity from a barber chair. I’m just telling you my experience based on a pro fellers technique which I think he picked up in Sweden
@guyinatree
@guyinatree Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, this exactly what I was coming to the comments to check.
@dougreid2351
@dougreid2351 Жыл бұрын
Awesome closing shot. Beats a "mike drop" by atleast a mile and a half. Thanks for your hard work. DOUG out
@bradywatcherson498
@bradywatcherson498 Жыл бұрын
Interesting concept! Came over via a link to this video by Educated Climber, now subscribed. Thanks for the video and sharing your experience.
@litman252
@litman252 Жыл бұрын
Same!
@elliottwebb2969
@elliottwebb2969 9 ай бұрын
This is a very well put together video tutorial. I respect the way that you discussed the behavior of the wood, the sources of your inspiration and development of the idea. I have my share of trees that popped the hinge sooner than I wanted, or side leaned pulled the thick hinge as if it wasn’t even there. I am excited to start using this technique and observe how it works here in the PNW. Thanks!
@TreeMuggs_PatrickM
@TreeMuggs_PatrickM 2 жыл бұрын
Watched the whole thing, what a cool technique. Kept wondering what's keeping them from barber-chairing... I'll be trying this for sure... Thanks David. #openthevault
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
I answered in a pin at the top of comment section now.
@joshuahoward8354
@joshuahoward8354 2 жыл бұрын
After watching this tutorial I used this cut on some norway maple, which is a notoriously brittle wood that doesn't hold the hinge well at all. I was surprised at how well it worked. Thanks so much it is always great to have another tool in the toolbox.
@KevinsDisobedience
@KevinsDisobedience 10 ай бұрын
This is definitely the best explanation of why and where you would want to use this.
@EdgardIvandic-fd8vo
@EdgardIvandic-fd8vo 7 ай бұрын
Buenas tardes Colega , quiero agradecerte por dar a conocer este tipo de corte tan particular , efectivo y original , hace 11 meses que lo practico y me permitió realizar trabajos en prevención de incendios de interfase en un área muy sensible en Patagonia Argentina y mi equipo de trabajo y yo lo practicados en más de 300 pinos blancos de promedio 50 cm de diámetro son mayores complicaciones , muchas gracias y seguimos aprendiendo cada día Dios te bendiga
@arboristsolutions
@arboristsolutions 2 жыл бұрын
Was there laying all 20+ Alturna Mats in 2017 for that pine tree. Have used it in multiple scenarios since leaving Maryland. It's great to be able to lay down a large spar without putting a canoe in someone's yard.
@johnm9005
@johnm9005 2 жыл бұрын
My friend forwarded this video yesterday. I gave it a go on a very heavy back leaning white mulberry today. We pulled it over with a skid steer and I was very pleased with the performance of this technique. Thank you very much 👍
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
If someone showed me this, I would have definitely tried it in days. Glad to read this. If you are on instagram, hashtag it #SharkGillFellingCut so we can see numerous examples.
@murphy4trees
@murphy4trees 2 жыл бұрын
good technique David.. And really GOOD just to hear your voice again... I like the teaching and that sure gets the mind working.. lots of possibilities, and a bunch of questions come up too. The fiber pull on that beech was awesome.. and anyone that knows the sound of a tearing hinge will recognize the extraordinary holding ability of those hinges. effective on side leaners for sure, wonder if you could angle the vertical bore cuts to make them taper too...back leaners, only if they have side lean too... otherwise more hinge to fight isn't helping. I just started using the sizwheel a couple years ago and was very impressed with the holding ability. I think one important teaching piece that needs to be stressed is that in order for these hinges to work well, you need to have a lot of pulling power with high ropes and equipment... the trench cut is huge as it allows the hinge to move in a way that spreads the tension force more evenly across the hinge from back to front, rather than just having the fibers tear from back to front much as a piece of paper getting ripped in half. I'm not sure that you're going to get much help slowing down a front leaner in order to lessen the force of impact (on the driveway for example).. ps that was a ballsy move and rather than extolling the virtue of the shark gill, maybe the better lesson there is a warning about the ill-effects of underbidding. THE X-MAN RIDES AGAIN. another great contribution to the industry...
@neild7971
@neild7971 Жыл бұрын
Definitely more hinge to break but with a high line and plenty of pull maybe that’s fine, as the hinge breaks coming to upright perhaps this gives a longer hold giving it chance to come all the way up and over until it it’s commuted to the lay?
@neild7971
@neild7971 Жыл бұрын
Like with the tapered hinge though, the distance back from the pivot point means it has to start ripping with minimal bend at which point it’s invalid from that point forward? I understand the kerfs allowing some bending, particularly the trench, but where is the additional bend coming from, the ‘gills’ are fixed top and bottom and can’t slide past each other like the pages of a book, only the buckling of the front hinges can allow a little respite to the back hinge before it is forced to break in sequence soon leaving just the front row of fibre to maintain the fall?
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 Жыл бұрын
@@neild7971 I think your description as a book is a great example of how it works. Imagine the tree as a book tipped up on its backbone, as the tree is forced to commit the pages that need to tear will tear, then the book has the ability to flex. While a discussion of the technical aspects of such things can garner further knowledge, many times simply putting things into practice(safely of course), can gain us the same learning while getting something productive done. Have a great week.
@jmester_atc
@jmester_atc 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Well covered. It was quite impressive to see how the shark gill worked on the white pine. To see that much fiber pull is great.
@Version135
@Version135 7 ай бұрын
Cool technique. Just a hobby arborist at my property but might try this eventually.
@firedtradesman
@firedtradesman Жыл бұрын
Came over from Educated Climber and subscribed. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, experience, and innovation. I'll place this new tool you've shared in my toolbox with my X rings. :-)
@andrewvanada52
@andrewvanada52 Жыл бұрын
Same here!!
@MisterJennison
@MisterJennison 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video… Thank you for sharing… One more tool for the old tool box…
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 4 ай бұрын
Hey, just letting you know that I got your response on this mistaken placement of a comment meant for someone else recently. Thanks for explaining it and it made sense to delete your comments since it was a mistake. I was really confused. Carry on and thanks for directing people to the tutorial. There is a timber felling channel that's huge with subscribers showing the shark gill with no credit to me and getting lots and lots of views, in the hundreds of thousands if I remember right. Same ol' same old world.
@Billharr95
@Billharr95 2 жыл бұрын
This is a game changer! Congratulations on the idea and figuring it out
@diegovd7215
@diegovd7215 Жыл бұрын
@EducatedClimber sent me here. Thank you for this very interesting technique !
@miketucker2406
@miketucker2406 Жыл бұрын
Thank you David
@thomasmoore416
@thomasmoore416 7 ай бұрын
I think I’d love to try this…..tomorrow
@BUCKYWHEATS
@BUCKYWHEATS 2 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting. I'm gonna give it a go.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
If you use instagram, please hash tag it #SharkGillFellingCut so we can find it.
@MarkHarders-ss4zk
@MarkHarders-ss4zk 3 ай бұрын
Very good technique. You never explained the Back cut- in for height & depth to a gill or gills, although implied. Thks.
@compostjohn
@compostjohn Жыл бұрын
Fascinating physics, thank you. I'll never be using this myself BUT I'm glad to know about it.
@realityvelo6701
@realityvelo6701 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thank you for sharing. Keep them coming!
@1975dbryant
@1975dbryant Жыл бұрын
Wonderful information, Very helpful and useful. Thanks for sharing hoss. Can't wait to try it.
@drltreecare7353
@drltreecare7353 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content
@jeffphillips4527
@jeffphillips4527 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation- Thank you
@ItreboR63I
@ItreboR63I Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, will have to practice this. Could come in very handy thanks!
@gmoney6883
@gmoney6883 Жыл бұрын
Very detailed video, Thank you for sharing. I'm definitely trying this out
@cozmo3778
@cozmo3778 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome thnx for sharing your knowledge much appreciated brotha
@juancarlossamayoa2864
@juancarlossamayoa2864 Жыл бұрын
That’s A great idea I’ll try it for sure and thanks so much for sharing it with others.
@alexanderharrison6027
@alexanderharrison6027 2 жыл бұрын
Like it will defo be using it some time soon
@bannerslund3
@bannerslund3 2 жыл бұрын
Hi David Thanks for sharing, I think it's very useful on pinus contorta, they are also very brittle. The trench cut is called parallel cut in Denmark. I think its a german logger who invested it. I remember You commented the trench cut in a video I shared on treebuzz many years ago, maybe it was there you saw it the first time? Keep the videos coming👍 Climb safe. Best regards Brian.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! yes, that is where I probably saw it, I was on treebuzz every night for many years. Thanks for the name "parallel cut" in Denmark. yes, seems like it was first noted in Germany from other comments.
@severini8153
@severini8153 6 ай бұрын
That's the "wurzenschnitt"! Funnily its controversial amongst German loggers, but will probably ignite a fan base with these really interesting improvements you showed. Thanks!
@doublemintmaple
@doublemintmaple 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out there! It seems like a valuable technique. I look forward to trying it out in an appropriate setting
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
good to hear. Hope you write back with what you experienced.
@user-kc2th9bj6r
@user-kc2th9bj6r Жыл бұрын
realmente muy buen tutorial , lo he usado en mis trabajos y es una herramienta mas para seguir aprendiendo en las tareas forestales , saludos y gracias desde Argentina , Patagonia
@noahbales3537
@noahbales3537 Жыл бұрын
I have a couple large very dead lodgepole pines in about two weeks, the have a slight lean in the wrong direction. Going to practice up on this then try it on them. Thanks for the knowledge.
@anthonyalbright6345
@anthonyalbright6345 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the time and effort on the tutorial. 👍Well done. Definitely adding this to my bag of tricks as well. Are there any extra precautions to take when using it aloft versus on the ground?
@valentinvogel5843
@valentinvogel5843 2 жыл бұрын
In Germany the TrenchCut is called "Würzenschnitt" i dont know if that term is used throughout europe though.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for that information
@YocahuBagua
@YocahuBagua 2 жыл бұрын
Man thanks for sharing this technique! Definitely a new one for me. Will add it to my bag of tricks. I will practice it first on straight trees. Will this work for heavy side leaners also? Maybe attach a holding rope also on very heavy side leaners or not necessary? Thanks brother!
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
definitely for side leaners also. I showed an oak with side lean. If need be, thin your hinge on one side on side leaners and turn it into Logger Wades "triple hinge" if it won't go.
@davidwyby
@davidwyby 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question, or questions…if max hinge or hang time is the goal (it is for me), wouldn’t a more open face help? Also, it seems like the gill cut closest to the back cut is really just inducing barber chair…or am I missing something? Thanks
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
Open face will surely give more holding time, all the way to the ground. I'm pretty sure I said that in the video. Never seen barber-chairing with this yet. See Pinned comment at the top. On compromised hollow trees, I have cut a notch and "gill cut " the entire rest of the tree diameter with no back cut, then pulled them over with a winch; still no barber-chairing. I totally forgot about that video, I probably should have included it.
@MrJoeylama
@MrJoeylama Жыл бұрын
you should upload it, if you haven't already!
@brettblack7049
@brettblack7049 Жыл бұрын
What's up David. Did you happen to upload that hollow tree. Could have used this on a 24" sallow spar last week. Used the skidding winch to add a bit of support, and missed the lilacs, good to go.
@Alexhulk
@Alexhulk 7 ай бұрын
Wow Tanks dude
@mitch3137
@mitch3137 Жыл бұрын
VERY interesting! Could this technique be adapted to the Humbolt face cut? Would you bore the trench above or below the plane?
@twbishop
@twbishop Жыл бұрын
@22:30 another thing to slow down the falling momentum is a scarf cut below the face cut, as it allows the trunk to slide down the trunk more and to free fall from a lower height.
@mattwood9981
@mattwood9981 Жыл бұрын
I could have tried this out on a beech tree cleanup I was working on in April. Side and back learners. Have you used it on hollow trees at all with similar results? I had a hollow beech tree with pretty good back weight, towards the house, used 2 lines in the tree to help it over. One hooked to a 9500# winch and a second hooked to a comalong as a "safety". Thanks for sharing!!
@tenntenn4691
@tenntenn4691 4 ай бұрын
When you cut the pine and left your holding wood on the right side, did you plunge all the way through the tree three times and just cut even or did you go only halfway through on the tension side leaving the compression side with a minimum hold?
@TreeMuggs_PatrickM
@TreeMuggs_PatrickM 2 жыл бұрын
I could have used this a couple weeks ago
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
sorry 😒
@akantz3048
@akantz3048 Жыл бұрын
Just wondering if that technique would work on a tree with a heavy forward lean opposed to using the bore and release cut??
@craigo1764
@craigo1764 2 жыл бұрын
Cool technique. Out of all the trees you and your buddy’s cut this way did any of them barber chair?
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
Good question. Nope, none of them. See pinned comment at the top.
@jamesbeeman8192
@jamesbeeman8192 Ай бұрын
A 10% hinge width and 80% dia length will do just fine. If set properly!
@claytonclark8389
@claytonclark8389 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see how effective it is on side leaners. Most of the trees you never showed the lean. How does it do on tree of heaven?
@elijahowens8507
@elijahowens8507 Жыл бұрын
That was a giant piece you rigged down in tulip I believe it was. What gear did you use besides the grcs?
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd Жыл бұрын
Why? because the gear can make you do the same thing? The gear doesn't matter. YOU matter.
@cozmo3778
@cozmo3778 2 жыл бұрын
R.I.P ALEX
@tomcrank8701
@tomcrank8701 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried lowering a whole tree (depending on size) to the ground with a crane or pulley? Always wonder if it would work and how to figure weight ratio.
@elijahowens8507
@elijahowens8507 Жыл бұрын
It's awesome how close tree peoples minds think alike.
@MrSingleJack
@MrSingleJack 2 жыл бұрын
Cool technique, David, and great vid! … watched the whole thing - some of it more than once. Quick question: Have you noticed any higher risk for 'barber-chair' with the Shark Gill Felling Cut? Also, good to hear from you again, David! 👍👍
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 2 жыл бұрын
I answered in a pin at the top of comment section now.
@LGTrees
@LGTrees Жыл бұрын
The most important thing to notice with all this is at 24 minutes 48 seconds. If property damage or injury is even remotely possible .....use what is mentioned at 24:48
@freddywalter466
@freddywalter466 7 ай бұрын
What about using it on a dead tree. Since will only break and not bend, are there and advantage. 18:46
@freddywalter466
@freddywalter466 7 ай бұрын
It should add flexibility instead of just a hard break with lots of force on a pull line. You illustrated this with the plywood.
@ocsplc
@ocsplc Жыл бұрын
I appreciate xman’s caveat that we should leave this to the “professionals” but as an intelligent and experienced landowner who logs and fells 95% of his own trees, I’ve used the shark Gill very often, especially up here in NY state with the Ash borer problem. As you all know, Ash, esp dead Ash, is highly susceptible to barber chair. Shark Gill is the answer. Point being, most chainsaw users worldwide are NOT professionals, I.e., they don’t make a living off the trade and don’t hold themselves out to be such. So, using shark Gill is only common sense. I’ve felled about 15 four-plus story trees with shark Gill and I’ve never felt safer using a cut
@Bryan-yl7mg
@Bryan-yl7mg Жыл бұрын
I think that was just a way of covering himself if somebody who's never run a chainsaw before goes jamming the tip into a tree without knowing about kickback. At least that was my take on it.
@ocsplc
@ocsplc Жыл бұрын
@@Bryan-yl7mg right on
@arborymastersllc.9368
@arborymastersllc.9368 Жыл бұрын
Anyone think that tree was way smaller than expected after hearing his estimate assessment? Thank you for this in depth explanation though. 👍👍
@TheAcenightcreeper
@TheAcenightcreeper 8 ай бұрын
It almost seemed like it was about to barberchair
@jolkraeremeark6949
@jolkraeremeark6949 Жыл бұрын
That there is a finger hinge if I ever seen one.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd Жыл бұрын
I don't know the phrase, "finger hinge".
@user-mr3bt9hz7d
@user-mr3bt9hz7d 6 ай бұрын
영 아니올시다.
@claytonclark8389
@claytonclark8389 5 ай бұрын
I wished everyone or anyone who does a fell on a leaner would please, please show the amount of lean they are seeking to over come. On the first example I saw how the hinge was opening more on the right than the left and it did break off on the right first. Now, I can't say whether or not you hit your mark. I could tell that the tree had substantial lean, but it "looked as if you were pulling in the direction of the lean, but the right side giving way proves otherwise, hence the need to show what you are working with.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd 5 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure if I know what your getting at. So I'll say maybe what your saying in my words. You want to see the overall view of the tree filmed better so you can get an idea of the lean that the tree had before felling it? And I don't know if the "first example" is at the 0:48 mark or the one at the 5:00 mark, but that might not matter anyway.
@r.g.3636
@r.g.3636 Жыл бұрын
what a complete joke, and waste of time...... ive been falling big trees for 31 years....this is ridiculous......
@litman252
@litman252 Жыл бұрын
In the woods or with high risk structure? I think it'll help in some cases.
@adelarsen9776
@adelarsen9776 Жыл бұрын
I am struggling to see the worth in this video. All I see is split trees, jumping trees and loads of extra fuel being burnt. For what ? I'll be honest, I think this video is a waste of time. The presenter did not articulate any argument for when this technique is best deployed.
@jessemauer5455
@jessemauer5455 Жыл бұрын
@@adelarsen9776 what don’t you understand? You honestly can’t fathom why a thicker hinge would help huge in certain situations?
@jessemauer5455
@jessemauer5455 Жыл бұрын
Says the guy with absolutely nothing to contribute. If you do not see how this could be useful in certain circumstances then I think you are a liar and you do not work in the industry.
@adelarsen9776
@adelarsen9776 Жыл бұрын
@@jessemauer5455 Thank you for your comment. I wish you good health and prosperity.
@jonbacon8924
@jonbacon8924 Жыл бұрын
Good work, good explanation. Seems like you don't like your fingers or hand very much.
@thexmanjdd
@thexmanjdd Жыл бұрын
why don't I like my fingers or hand much? I have no idea what you mean. I actually like my fingers and hands very much so. My vision and mind first, then my hands actually. My hands are healthy and quite strong compared to the normal population.
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