Love how you both are actually DISCUSSING your opinions in the vids & not arguing. I have learned from both sides!

You got me with that title. I was like, uh oh! 😳 😂 I love that y’all are having a respectful dialogue about this. It’s so refreshing in these social media days. I understood what you were trying to say in the other video and I appreciate the info about mature stems producing more mature leaves. I’ve kind of seen that on the internet with moss pole chops but to see those thick chonks produce larger leaves is really interesting. I hope you get ahold of a “v1” and do your experiments.

Kaylee, can you please just send him one of those haggard leaves from your Thai 1.0 so he can poke around with it in his basement? 🤣

Being a tech person myself is simple. You have to have both to do an accurate comparison. Kaylee Ellen's points were very truthful videos. She has been doing this for years. Small form vs large form, for instance. But thank you for being respectful. Her Thai 1.0 vs Thai 2.0 are very good. Her dish the dirt series is awesome.

I honestly love this! I'm learning from you both! You're both one of my favorite plant-tubers and I think these videos are an awesome and a great way to initiate discussion!

Really glad to see how positive this reaction was.

I love the space for conversations you create in the plant world! You’re open and receptive to hearing what people have to say. Keep up these kinda vids! The plant world is stagnant, let’s create conversation, based on different opinions.. as you have!! Thank you!

Here for the plant drama and the RESPECTFUL discussion, love both channels even more for this nice way of posting responses ❤☘️🌵

I’m glad you replied so fast and cordially. I enjoyed the videos from both of you today.

I understand your point. There are many factors that can make a plant grow differently. Not only the fact that it's a cutting or a seedling, but also the lighting, the ambient temperature, the type of soil, the climate, a moss pole, in some cases even the wind. You can't tell that the plant is different, just because their proportions are different.

You guys are my top two favorite plant KZfaqrs. I feel like the way I think about things is very similar to you. I 100% understood what you were trying to say in your video. Although, I will admit it could be a bit confusing. The early days of Thai’s everyone was getting a cutting since tissue culture of them hadn’t been done really. So, we’re trying to compare cutting to tissue. And of course, cuttings are basically an established plant whereas tissue is a baby plant (for lack of better wording). And it’s gonna take a few years for the more recent ones to catch up to the ones being sold a few years ago. I have no skin in the game when it comes to Thai’s. I only have one and it’s a baby and we’re not getting along right now. 😂

Really enjoying the different takes and opinions on these plants. Keep going. 🙂

Wow now that was a fast reply. Love it. Thanks for sharing 😊

Thank you I don’t think that I’ve seen the other person’s comment or video. I really really like your videos and that’s what counts for me.

love your enthusiasm

I just bought a Thaicon and a Deliciosa from a Thailand TC lab (I bought it from a live seller in the lab). Allegedly, it was unrelease tc specimens from 2019 since it doesn't have enough fenestration; specifically holes in the mid ribs. They just kept them in the lab to grow and neglect it since according to them it doesnt fit the standard look of the monstera that time. I can tell there's a significant difference from that specimens to the monstera in the current market. The leaves looks thicker, rounder and bigger. The leaf and stem ratio is also looks smaller, it looks more compact. The fenestration only on the sides, it doesnt have holes in the mid ribs. They've showed a relatively matured form it really looks different. I would definitely say that newer batches of monstera now looks different 5 to 6 years ago.

Kaylee is really the one who could do the definitive test. Send tissue from her T1 and tissue from a T2 to her TC lab, then grow out a batch of TC of both at the same time. Not that she probably cares enough to put that much time and money towards it.

When I saw you pop up on her channel in my watch later I did a double take! Cool to see the interaction.

Loved the original video and your channel! I think Kaylee should send you a V 1 cutting and you two can continue the exploration of this topic! It’s interesting as you say.

I really like your personality, thanks for the video!

ohh so it's a mint mid cutting! truly a champ good stuff, Matt

Everything depends on the mother plant you pick for TC or for taking a cutting. Obviously if you pick a cutting from an adult plant with a very thick stem it’s going to grow faster, cause evidently the size of a TC plant it’s going to be smaller (it grows from a couple of cells) but it doesn’t matter, you are going to have a clone from your mother plant, so you can’t say it’s going to be weaker or not compact, it’s going to be a clone, and when it’s acclimated out of TC it has the potential of growing as good as a non TC plant.

What happened to the giant monstara cutting???

I agree that tissue cultures, cuttings and seedlings all have different growth characteristics. I don’t think it’s very fair to compare them either. I have several monstera in multiple varieties including Thai Cons, and even my two Thai’s being the same age grew completely differently in the same conditions. I think when a monstera is leggy, it’s almost always because it’s not receiving enough light, especially when it’s overcrowded in a nursery setting by growers. People dramatically overestimate how much light they are giving their plants, even with grow-light and not all grow-lights are created equally either, they are not all full spectrum. I don’t know really if there’s a difference in the newer Thai cons due to a change in mother plant or possibly some kind of mutation due to being tissue cultured for so long, but I think your point stands about the comparison not being applicable between a stem cutting and a freshly deflasked tissue culture. My Thai cons are both exhibiting very compact growth by the way, and they sit in a south facing window in my plant room. Light, I believe, is the most important factor when it comes to compact growth. Now, that’s not to say I don’t believe the people who are losing their tissue cultures to rot, because I do think there is a lot of poor quality Thai Con tissue cultures out there on the market and for whatever reason they really are prone to rot super easily. I haven’t had it happen myself but I believe the folks who do, I’ve seen it all over the internet and a lot of them are rotting right in the tissue culture flask before even being touched.

Sorry didn’t think it was a good debunk myself. But… I don’t think I can see a difference personally. I have a tc I got in 2022… so definitely version 2.0… I also have a low variegated I got in 2023, my lower variegated one grows much slower than my original one that is highly variegated. I personally feel it has to do with each person‘s conditions, lighting, humidity, and temperature. I think all of it plays apart into what comes out in this plant… because the one that I got in (2022) is very compact. The lower variegated one I do not have in as bright of light and that’s the one that’s growing slow. It also it not terrible leggy, even though it’s not in the brightest light, but it is not as compact as the one that has the bright light. I know because you don’t have 1.0 that you can’t compare it, but I do agree growing a cutting versus growing a TC also is not the same results but again it’s gonna really have to do with the conditions.

I love you and Kaylee Ellen so much 🥰 I've learned so much from both of you

Hey, I'm all for chasing answers, even if it's something obscure and serves no purpose other than to satisfy your curiosity. Sometimes the truth is hard to find, and if you can have fun chasing it, why not? (assuming you don't put yourself in a tough spot with breaking the bank) I am interested in seeing definitive conclusions with the Thai Con, and I'm not even a fan of that plant. I don't know if interest would be much less since these plants have become so much more widely available, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for further developments!

Im sure given your up and coming reputation, you could get a V1 cutting with some bartering. I like your channel because it reminds me why i love science. Always ask questions, present hypothesis and explore. Keep doing it man

I got a Thai Con from Thailand in 2017. It was shipped to me in a water bottle and paper envelope. I sold in 2021, because I couldn’t get is to size up and it grew way too slow.

The whole concept of "v1" being better obviously comes from people who paid hundreds to get their thai con. Now that they cost 15$ they feel stupid and has to try and justify why their is actually worth more 😂 It's the same with pink princess

Man, you handled this one SO well. I watched the other creator's video and the creator is CLEARLY jealous maxxxx😂😂 Your plants are wonderful and your channel is such a joy. People (I won't name), who willingly spread negativity, their works are a reflection on their own insecurities and lashing out their own misery at other people. I genuinely wish your channel grows huge; and parasites keep away from trying to leach subs from worthy creators like you using such lowly strategies.

Kaylee doesn't show on my feed anymore so this is the first time I'm seeing any of this. But are we really debating over the growth rate of of a thai con? My tc thai is massive in less than a year. They're big box now, they'll grow anywhere.

Well played sir, and enjoy the free publicity🎉😂

I love your videos and comparisons. I learn a lot from you but what is TC?

I'm imagining a skit like those Cut videos where people match things to people. But instead its assigning plants to V1 or V2 🤣

I Love your passionate Energy! ❤😊

I love these friendly rivalries if u wanna call em that…😊❤❤

I personally enjoyed the passion 😊 well my Thai con is not doing well at the moment. hopefully it will get better soon

As far as I can tell, everyone is sharing their observations from a sincere place. And it seems like the various channels that have covered this topic, are ran by people who make reasonable judgements. Glad you responded with humility and gratitude. Kaylee does come across defensive sometimes but it makes sense, she’s attacked more aggressively than a dude would be. I’m glad you didn’t go that way. I was totally expecting the Pretty in Green channel to come up because my impression was your concerns were more focused on his statements. Anyway… I think when people mention they’re taking a scientific approach it sets people off. Kaylee made good points about sample size and the need for a true side-by-side comparison but whatever. It’s fair but it’s not exactly the point. I think your message would be better received if you leaned more into phrases like you’re taking a deeper dive into a topic than applying a scientific approach. The caveats everyone has to use when they’re talking plants in a way that isn’t 100% academically sound can be annoying, but they can keep people calm in these circumstances 😊 Overall, thank you. You’ve raised topics I found interesting and it led to some interesting insights.

TLDR: Send V1 Thai Const. to Matt ASAP!

Somehow I missed the video you’re talking about. I’ll have to go back and try and catch up.

I know a grower who has well over 30 “variants and mutant” Thai cons, there is no 1 Thai con.

I commented this on her video and I’ll say it on yours, you two need to have a collab hash this out and move on cuz the back and forth and “she can’t get away with this” click bait isn’t constructive or helpful to the general plant hobbiest who can JUST NOW afford a Thai. At this point thai 1.0 and 2.0 shouldn’t even be a conversation because the pre covid “1.0” isn’t even an accessible option for the majority of your viewers… having a “2.0” myself I spent way too much on before their prices crashed makes me FARRRR MORE interested in how to care for and keep my new Thai alive than dwell on why it’s inferior when the money I spent on it could’ve gone towards something else…

I really don't understand what the fuzz is about... neither of you have prove. Measure a leave etc, etc is by no means prove. Don't know why in the plant community this happens all the time or is it all about the "likes"?

Nice video but the title of click bait af. I would have watched it without that title. Love the videos how you aren’t being spiteful or anything tho.

Thank you for your reply. I couldn’t finish Kaylees video cause I knew was based on “personal” experience and not real proven facts. Half her video and then skipped till the end, and then she proved my point at saying that was based on her experience. I’ve owned multiple TC monsteras, even the “1.0” ones that people refer and let me tell you… there’s not difference at all!

man I did NOT like how clickbaity this title was😅🤣 why you gotta scare me like that!

Pothos race where??? 😎

On today's episode of Thai Tea... lol but seriously I am ecstatic about getting to watch the response so soon after. But i do think the gripe was unfounded considering what she as an experienced grower explained about it being an observational take as she said in the original and why your video was all over the place trying to debunk something that wasn't called for.. it's all part of the learning process and i appreciate that you both took the time to explain your views and that you've learnt and agreed with her thoughts just like she got to understand what angle you're trying to come from even if it was a misunderstanding about her statements being 'taken as gospel' as she put it.

This man loves a good conspiracy theory

I'm here lol

Bwahahahaha badass man 💪👊

You both should do a collaboration live and make peace . LoL Its the American revolution all over again.

I don't know if you have ever been into Jungian personality theory but in the Myers Briggs shorthand you are massive introverted thinking, meaning you have to fiddle with everything to make it make the most sense to you, you want to be challenged and corrected so you can better understand everything. 1/2 the human population is introverted sensing dominant, meaning they draw knowledge from experience. they go with what works for them, and that is good enough for them, but then you come in and need to monkey with everything.

These don’t get any views!?

The cutting you're showing around 4:00 is a different one than the one she's saying is a top cutting, though. So it seems like she may have caught you if you're showing "evidence" that it's a mid cutting, but not showing the same plant?

She just didn’t get your point and definitely got hung up on a couple logical fallacies. Wether she just missed the point or refused to see it who knows 🤷‍♂️ but I can’t wait for you to prove this out in your usual methodical manner 👍❤️

This thumbnail is why the hide video from feed button was created.

Nice shirt

Nevermind Kaylee, she doesn't even know where the Creme Brulee originated and who named the plant. Such a non sense verdict what the plant industry has a lot to offer. Her older videos such a funny and so embarrassing many variegated plants reverting including the Variegated Chiapense. This is my first time defending a person like you who exert time and effort of scientific explanation beyond any other vlog content. Congratulations!

You cannot debunk something that you didn't even have a 1.0 to test against...the photos you used didn't even have a date stamp they could have been from day before you filmed...you debunked nothing

Seriously? How old are you two? Provocative clickbait headlines to each other, then a bunch of unscientific bashing and apologies to each other. A new way of respectful backstabbing? I have nothing against dissenting opinions, but I do not like ridicule. "I am the only one who is right" rhetoric leads nowhere.

she could send you a cutting or perhaps enough for tissue culture a colab would be nice

I think you are inadvertently driving the usage of the term and demand for 1.0 Thai Cons. I don't agree with everything Kaylee Ellen says, but I agree with her on this point that we don't want to do this.

The problem is ur video's title,, understand that u want to be catchy, but it's misleading. Like on this video, ur title is again misleading from the actual content.

I used to like your content so much, but this Thai-con drama stuff just shows how you are trying to get more views by hopping from "Pretty in Green" to Kaylee. You get much more views with this stuff than with your regular videos (You are lying in the video). Sad to see you turn out this way (or showing your true face now)...

Everyone has their own options. Just stop!

You should be ashamed of yourself. Unsubscribed.

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