thedementation666 This is greenwashing when petrol vehicles are used, but a lot of the technology can be transferred to an electric car. It also creates an interest in engineering which is also good.

You said it. thedementation666

Maybe, but I liked the electric car with solar panels and the tiny battery. Solar panels and batteries in a "normal" EV is coming. Take a look at the upcoming Sono Sion. It's a 4 seater with loots of trunk space (and a tow-hook) with solar panels all around. On a sunny summers day you can get almost 40km of range from the solar panels. So if you only drive it 3-4 times a week for average trips you don't need to charge it.

That was in the solar challenge not in the shell eco marathon. I was involved in that one. We used a 2000 watt e-motor and had 2 entries in 2 different years.

Shell, and Mobil, and Exxon, and Chevron, and all the rest of the petroleum companies have made an effort to re-brand themselves as _'energy'_ companies for the past four decades. Mostly for the sake of the unwashed barefoot long haired hippie treehuggers, but more recently for the sake of making money on the transition.

Well, don't forget that companies like Shell invested heavily in oil, so no they're not just gonna give up the fight and at least look into how far they can stretch it. Apart from the fact/discussion if it's better or worse or not.

We're all vegetarians.. is just some of us don't realize.it yet

Hats off to him :) I'm 42 years in, third biggest thing environmentally, other one is procreation ......... elephant leaves room.

I'm sorry to hear that guys

Meh. This has been done for over forty years. Not new at all, though it is a good engineering exercise for students. Thing is, petroleum companies thought it would remain experimental research for another fifty years before _'real cars'_ would be able to abandon fossil fuels entirely in favor of alternatives. Luckily, they were wrong. Yay!

Thank Elon for that.

ViSH probably will when the new season starts with the next gen cars.

Violet Echo yup

Violet Echo Which version?

Roger Starkey the electric

Did they? I'm interested in that story as that's what gave me the original impetus to start making Fully Charged. Can you point me to any evidence of this, even press stories from the period. I've not heard that before.

fullychargedshow there are some videos on KZfaq where Elon comments on the “test” episode and said that the Tesla staff member that delivered the roadster saw the script which had planned for the “failure” of the car

Daniel It's well known that Top Gear faked the failure, but the claim was that Shell paid them to do it.

OriginalPiMan ah ok gotya

OriginalPiMan but that would be stupid. It would have put the BBC in a very bad position and the production would have been cancelled once the accounting and auditing ofvthe show had been completed.

Cloxxki pedaling doesn't make shell any money

I'd love to see the common commuter be an electric velomobile. Every family has one big car for when they're all in it (or uses a service), and a couple of small velo's for when they just need to get around. Just need them to be a little cheaper (say $3k) with parking incentives, you could save that much in a year from driving a normal car in a city. Hell, just parking near my work would cost me $3.5k, not including fuel and maintenance.

Julia Engel lenses that improved candle light also improved the electric. We can have parallel innovation.

Look, incrementalism is the way to develop anything and any effort put into Petrol and Electric vehicles will result in great achievements in the long run

Hercules Giaretta Gimenes The incremental improvement in IC engines is slowing. The curve is flat. The curve for EV's is getting steeper. Not necessarily in overall efficiency, but in capacity and energy generation. Efficiency is already way out of the reach of ICE technology.

Well said, but all advances in all technologies can have benefits. Even developing more efficient ways of killing has led to medical advances that benefit all.

Julia Engel True. Anything other than the charging stations on their forecourts is a red herring.

Oh, the technology makes it into cars, but it makes little difference. It takes a lot more energy to move a 5,000 pound vehicle than it does a sub-500 pound car, or under 50 pound vehicle, as some of these are... Honda was well on their way to achieving 60+ MPG vehicles when safety regulations were changed to effectively require that no street legal midsize vehicle could be built at less than 3,200 pounds. It has been a long time since a BMW 3-Series weighed less than 2,400 pounds, or a Honda CR-X was around 1,700 pounds. Those times will not be coming again, even with more and more aluminum and composite materials used in their production.

Well remembered, yes, I think we had cars doing around 1,000 mpg using strimmer engines

fullychargedshow hehe, it was closer to 170MPG, actually. You really must consider the Fully Charged Scrapheap series!

It's relatively easy to make a 1000 mpg car. It's probably impossible to make one that will meet crash standards.

And haul a family up the coast at 100km/h for the day.

dave b It's not a question of hating the oil company's or not. It'll just be market forces that drive the future requirements for their products. As the production of oil for fuel reduces the next question will be whether alternatives to the current plastics, possibly using materials such as resin and/or carbon become available. If oil is used only for production of plastics these will probably become more expensive due to the cost of extraction.

Tim Clarke 😂😂😂 A "Caryak"?

MichaelKingsfordGray I looked it up, and oddly it's because it has the same origin! mid 17th century: from Spanish cargo, carga, from late Latin carricare, carcare ‘to load’, from Latin carrus ‘wheeled vehicle’.

Nearly half the cars taking part are battery electric but I take your point

GroovyVideo2 O.M.G., shoot me....

The car in question can travel nearly 200Km on 1 kilowatt hour, not one kilowatt.

For a product to enter into market all the way from its inception to design to manufacturing to testing to transportation to its launch fossil fuels were burned/utilized. Look at any man made object around you and ruminate about how was it made . At one point of time fossil fuel or a fossil fuel derived product will be burned or utilized. www.innovativewealth.com/inflation-monitor/what-products-made-from-petroleum-outside-of-gasoline/ whgbetc.com/petro-products.pdf www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/ Products made directly made from OIL Petrol for cars Diesel for cars, lorries and ships Aviation fuel for planes Credit cards Plastic bags Hair brushes Anti-freeze Motorcycle Helmets Carpets Telephones Brake fluid Boats Glue Toilet Seats Shampoo Household paint Detergent Bowls Fertiliser Explosives Car tyres Artificial turf Football boots Lipstick Weed killer Parachutes Umbrellas Food wrappers Shower curtains Waterproof coats Artifical limbs Roads Bubble wrap Drinks bottles Toothbrushes Life jackets Fishing line Tennis rackets Roller blades Eye glasses Lunch boxes Flower pots Toys Car seats Insulation Nail polish Hair spray Medicines Insect repellant Golf balls It is naive to think that fossil fuels will ever die .Even if all first world countries generate their electricity from non fossil fuel sources . You will never bully into submission china , russian federation , india etc to stop burning or utilizing fossil fuels.

That would require a paradigm shift in manufacturing . You can try all you want fossil fuels will be utilized/burned directly or indirectly at some point . Large ships , heavy equipment and transport companies run on fuel oil and diesel . Roads are even made from petroleum . China and India has a combined population of 2.7 billion and counting. Their new found love for capitalism/free markets will require burning of fossil fuels for their growth . 82% of India's electricity comes from burning fossil fuels and for China its 62% for Coal alone. These two countries are projected to be the 2 largest economies in the world after 40 to 50 years from now ahead of USA. You will not be able to handle them at that point of time just like you cannot handle Russia currently . Coal and natural gas accounts for 63% of energy generation of the USA . It will take perhaps a century even for first world countries to get away from fossil fuels .I am digressing a little bit but you get the idea . You will not make fossil fuels disappear . Not for another 2 or 3 centuries . Naive dreams .

It makes me want to visualize a human crash testing them.

Maybe read this: kzfaq.infocommunity

It's not bullshit. At this moment for cars it's not that interesting but we never know. Plus if one has extra renewal energy... convert it to hydrogen, it's a good way to store energy. Plus for ships it may be interesting. Either way the investment should not stop into hydrogen.

Johny40Se7en - another extremist conspiracy nutter.....