Shelob, Child of Ungoliant | Spiders / Copies

Shelob, Child of Ungoliant | Spiders / Copies - The Brewery [S10E14]

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Жыл бұрын

There was already a spider lord commander in the form of Ishkanah. However, Shelob provides a very interesting ability not seen on any other commander - lord effect or otherwise.
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@vdg6184 Жыл бұрын

To anyone building this deck, please keep in mind that Academy Manufactors effect is a replacement, so the food tokens created by Shelobs effect would not be copies of the killed creatures.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

Yes, very true! Thanks for specifying. I didn’t mention it when discussing its ability; I simply mentioned also getting the clue and treasure. But the food will be replaced.

@styln2nyt 8 ай бұрын

Isnt academy manufacturer a replacement effect? So you would get the food token, but you wouldnt get the abilities of the creature that died, it would just be a normal food. Either way, nice deck tech.

@TheCommanderTavern 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, Academy Manufactor gives you normal food along with the treasure and clue. Unfortunately. Thanks! Glad you liked the deck!

@AlejandroNitsch 10 ай бұрын

My first brew was full of "fight" spells. I realized it is an extremely slow gameplan, especially in commander multiplayer and against elves, goblins etc with lots of tokens. My newer version is based on "lure" spells (every creature blocks this turn if able) and indestructible/regeneration effects. It's wildly effective :)

@TheCommanderTavern 10 ай бұрын

Nice! Lure effects are great combat tricks!

@MrShazaamable Ай бұрын

Do you have a deck list

@crovax1375 Жыл бұрын

I've seen this Spider in a Historic Brawl deck and getting etb value from the copied creatures as Food tokens is a huge deal!

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

I can imagine! I absolutely love the design! It's a bit warped though, considering it's all that on an 8/8 for 6 mana - and in green, no less.

@jeffreylong1478 Жыл бұрын

It may be worth running cards like wood elves, farhaven elf, and solemn simulacrum and than ping it with your own spider for extra land grabs

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

@@jeffreylong1478 That's an amazing strat! And you can then sacrifice them for life later on. Love it!

@hiddenknowledge6333 11 ай бұрын

Yes, I've made food tokens of Etali and Sheoldred in brawl before. Makes opponents scoop quick!

@TheCommanderTavern 11 ай бұрын

@@hiddenknowledge6333 I can imagine!

@fredriksundelin6093 Жыл бұрын

Soul's Majestry is a bit risky, sorcery speed and people can kill the target and you get nothing. Except for that I will use this list as a reference when I update my spider deck, currently hosted by Ishkanah. The deck is currently focused on the graveyard, so there will be a total overhaul. I am just a bit worried the deck becomes too dependent on the commander, so I might replace some of the cards which are dependent on having the commander on the field i.e. power matters cards. Thanks for the video!

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!

@emilysmith2965 11 ай бұрын

The pronunciation of this card’s name is SHEE-lobb. Short O. If it were some random new legend I probably wouldn’t care, but this creature has had a name for almost a century.

@TheCommanderTavern 11 ай бұрын

👍🏻

@emmah8142 Ай бұрын

thank you. This drives me nuts.

@jstengren Жыл бұрын

Had a bright idea the other night, while looking over your build... Decided to see what happens if I go full on murder-spiders, making the composition roughly 2/3 Tyranids and 1/3 spiders with some good death trigger and counter merging strategies. So, you can still Voltron Shelob, but now you have a viable front -line army that can consolidate their counters if need be.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

Ooh!! I love the flavor of also putting tyranids in there!

@jstengren Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern For sure, and they flesh out the otherwise weak bodies with some seriously scalable DIY beaters. Also adds a huge late game option to Shelob and a way to funnel your counters up to make her a mega-beast. All you need spiders for, like you say, is to have a sniper line to kill and steal.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

@@jstengren Yeah, using spiders to snipe via fighting is definitely a great sneak stat that will keep opponents super anxious throughout XD

@ryansprenkle6356 Жыл бұрын

I cannot possible recommend Cosmic Hunger enough. Instant speed removal that can also be used to target your own utility creatures. Fynn about to get exiled? Cosmic Hunger to kill him and turn him into a food.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

I considered making the deck have a bunch of these fight spells but figured that would be a one-time only thing, which I tend to avoid in commander, since it's a multiplayer format. However, you bring an excellent point. It's absolutely amazing in response to someone's own removal. Because you use removal of your own as the spite play but still get your creature back as a food token copy. Brilliant!

@ryansprenkle6356 Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern for some reason, the very first thing I thought of was looking for ways to kill my own stuff with pings, bites, fights, etc. There aren't many. Ulvenwald Tracker and Viridian Longbow can do it too. Obviously the goal of the deck is to get your opponents stuff. It's just nice to have the safety blankets there just incase.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

@@ryansprenkle6356 100% Especially at instant speed and from out of nowhere.

@jstengren Жыл бұрын

Great explanations, much appreciated! I've got a list of deck ideas for Shelob that I've been gathering, and so far this one looks the most promising! Though, going to have to find more budget alternatives to many of the pricey cards listed. Unless you can provide some ideas? Looking for cheaper alts to: Bitterhorn Champion's Helm Hammer of Nazahn Kindred Dominance Mithril Coat Sword of the Animist The Great Henge Thornbite Staff

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad you got some use out of it! Yeah, unfortunately some of these cards have increased in price since first released. - Bitterthorn and Sword of the Animist could be replaced by Arcane Signet and Golgari Signet. - Champion's Helm and Hammer of Nazahn could be replaced by Darksteel Plate and Lightning Greaves. Mithril Coat is only going to go up in price. I do suggest you try and snag one while you can, if only for that reason. - Kindred Dominance can be replaced by In Garruk's Wake. - The Great Henge can be replaced by Savvy Hunter. - Thornbite Staff doesn't have any equivalent replacements, so I'd just swap it out for Peregrin Took so as to have even more card advantage, then. Hope that helps!

@jstengren Жыл бұрын

@@TheCommanderTavern Ugh, all these $10 cards! Damn you, Wizards... at least they hold their value for whenever I decide to set up a trust fund for my future child.

@TheCommanderTavern Жыл бұрын

@@jstengren 😆

@thomasosk 10 ай бұрын

Question: If i equip pathway arrows to shelob, will she get tapped or untaped again when the dmg eff resolves? New player here, just want some clarification

@TheCommanderTavern 10 ай бұрын

Pathway Arrows won't untap Shelob; that's not an effect in its ability. All it does is have Shelob deal 1 damage to a creature when you activate it.

@131jarhead 11 ай бұрын

Can you kill Shelob with one of your own spiders to create a copy of her or no?

@TheCommanderTavern 11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Shelob's ability specifies "other" creature, meaning it won't trigger off of itself. If you want to make multiple Shelob copies you're going to have to go with the tried and true method of equipping it with Helm of the Host.