I think it was consensual atleast at first. Miquella wouldn't be desperate for Radahn to promise to be his consort in the ending if it wasn't.

@@extremwillpower6629if it was consensual, then why would miquella send malenia to fight him. Seems like radahn denied the request and a fight ensued. Miquellas whole thing is manipulation, so why would he be above manipulating his consort in one of his final steps.

@@cartierclips1126 That's why I said at first. Miquella seemed too desperate in that last cutscene for him to have been using manipulation. And besides, Miquella is a good person and hasn't really used that manipulation in a malicious way except against Mogh who's a murder cultist and us when he becomes a god after discarding all of his positive emotions.

Don't forget their technically Brothers as well since their mother is Marika

@@extremwillpower6629 miquella is far from good bro😂 his whole thing is manipulating while making himself seem like the good guy and it seems miquellas charm has worked on you too man

Nah Both have them Its part of armor and not radhann Thats false detail everybody hangs on

@@Bleilock1what kind of drugs are you taking?

​@@Bleilock1you can see them coming straight out of his elbow

@@Bleilock1lol it’s poking out directly from his arms and he has blood flame attacks please use your eyes

@@Bleilock1 bro just played thru the game braindead

Enough for all 8 Furnace Golems to play hopscotch and jump rope on.

Looks like Robocop

All those Starspawns need place to land yo

Rhianna look out

@@bluemutt9964 That fuckin' cranium, that football helmet that she got on her fuckin' forehead.

I fully believe the Redguns and the Redmanes would be homies

*[G1 Michigan during a video call to G5 Iguazu after receiving a strange transmission]* "Err, Gun-5.........What in Rubicon's scorched ass is that kid doing riding on your AC's back? AND WHAT IN CORAL DOES HE MEAN HE WANTS TO BECOME GOD SO HE CAN END FIELD TRIPS?!"

*I got a job for you, 621.*

@@Urd-Vidan so the carians are Arquebus?

​@@salvatoreindelicato9368 both have blue pew pews, close enough

One of Miquella's followers is an ex-Radahn redmane who says (after being freed from Miquella's charm mind you) something like "It might make Jarren sad that Radahn isn't allowed to stay dead but I think it's good. More fighting opportunities suits Radahn better than death." So I reckon that his troops would probably be split 50/50 about it

@@Radditz770 She's on copium, as unless Miquella is LYING HIS CHEEKS OFF, his new age will have no place for a warrior like radahn, he's just madly in love with the consort.

@@wilburforce8046 Maybe she is :P But then I'd reckon that Radahn's troops being split 50/50 to be on Jarren's side or huffing copium, but they'd still be split

Well, the only example of such was happy to have Radahn be brought back, so...

​@@Radditz770 Jarren is the best npc base game. Absolutely based old man.

I like Starscourge better. No bs sensual overload holy light spam in phase 2.

​@@LawfulBased first patch radahn was one of the hardest boss FS has ever made

@@RecordedMercury yeah because his hitboxes where bs

​ Agreed, the only boss that defeated me so much that I had to go grind runes for vigor to at least survive one hit from him.

​@@RecordedMercuryLies

Same,and then he killed me in 3 seconds,it was awesome,my favorite boss fight ever tbh for me atleast,best 12 hours ever

@@GeneralRadahn7987 typical fromsoft fan hating a boss for ever until they beat it, then all of a sudden its the best

​@@forkliftcertifed123 We play these games for that sweet stockholm syndrome bro

​@@forkliftcertifed123 when did he say he hated it?

@@leeeshpoona6641 exactly,thanks

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Imagine that. So our boy has Miquella announcing him that he wanted to be his consort before the Shattering (cutscene), after which Radahn, probably disgusted or uninteresed, walks away and gets Malenia on his ass to kill him so that he can be forced into being a consort. During the Shattering when their mother needed them the most. Meanwhile, Malenia who's been promised that she will get her curse cured after Miquella becomes a god, after a long time waiting, infects Radahm, nukes Caelid with mega AIDs that leaves the entire region under heavy radiation and evolves the entire life into miserably creatures, gets sent in a coma and is barely saved by her knights, goes to the Ephael, infects the tree and everyone there, waits for AGES until the Tarnished comes and beats her ass. Meanwhile, Miquella forced her brother Mohg to become his consort (fake but he doesn't know that lol), bathe him in gallons of blood, so that he can go in the Shadow Realm, destroy a bunch of shit there, then steal Mohg's body, desecrates it, forces his brother into it with all the horns and issues of it anyways, and then gets destroyed by the Tarnished... Imagine that...

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Seeing them together kind of made me want to see them solo every boss in the DLC+base game.

Or you can just say "Don't talk to me or my younger self ever again"

@@unameduser8860 But is not a younger self is the soul of radhan after festival stuck in an altered body of mohg .

@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519 like i should change the word like this? "Don't talk to me or my idol's son's body ever again" or just "idol's son" i guess

While an Elden Lord isn't a god, you raise a great point about the literal horns and the figurative lion creating an ironically appropriate boss for Enir-Ilim.

Interestingly the Hornsent warriors wield double curved swords and great curved swords while Radahn wields double great curved swords.

That is a necessary part of how prophecy functions in George Martin's writing. Whether it is Targaryen dragon dreams or visions seen in the flames by Red Priests of R'hllor - prophecy is always fulfilled in unexpected ways. A dramatic irony that lends itself to tragedy.

​@@bluebird2217i also felt like there were some parallels between the horned warriors' movesets and radahn's, the dual wielding ones specifically had a similar feel to their combos

​@@nightscout9979An Elden Lord is pretty close.

*Miquella hops on his back* Now Radahn is Leonard

@@DavidDevildriver SACRILEGE, Marika...Lamd of Gold this mfers *b a l l s*

​@@DavidDevildriverconsider yourself an opp for using those goofy YT emojis

@@DavidDevildriver miquella doing the cowboy position with radahn

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Statue vs action figure.

As someone who attends the diddy party and hits the griddy, I agree.

Thats because Scarlet Rot is overtaking Starscourge. In his old eyes you see red creeping in (demigod's eyes are normally pale when without grace). Makes sense considering Rot is the other Outer God.

@@KolinarK I mean, we saw at least one dude who won the Grace by himself (Morgott) and even he wasn't glowing so brightly, new Radahn is basically in super Saiyan mode.

idk what to tell u. starscourge is literally rotten inside out. scarlet rot in his very pupils too.

He gave up Scarlet Rot and started snorting Grace

U realize, that's radhans soul in moghs body, the consort one

a godfrey fanboy till the very end.

“You mean I’ll technically be blood-related to THE Godfrey, first Elden Lord!? Fuck you, twink, I’m in!”

Nah, more like: Miquella: I'll stay on your shoulders so we'll look like Godfrey and Serosh Radahn: You son of a bitch! I'm in!

@@rinoportier556 Actually more like: Radahn: "Leave me, Miquella. Let this Lion have his peace..." Miquella: "b my consort plz daddy" /hugs Radahn: "What are you...?! Ugh, I can't...!" *HEART STOLEN*

Realistically I'm sure he's using his powers to control him, but I also like the idea that he's coercing Radahn

Well he might have beat the mohglesting allegations, but he was still a weird evil guy who created a cult around the sentient lake of space blood

​@@someonestolemyusername1636 Compared to all the other demigods, that's pretty normal

@@someonestolemyusername1636 Preferable to Miquella's Human Instrumentality Project Or Shabriri's Human Instrumentality Project

​@@someonestolemyusername1636He was a baby abandoned in sewers. Of course he would go insane and revere the first being to show affection towards him.

Guys, he had the war surgeons brains removed and tampered with and tortured them to a degree they all went insane. Yeah, he wasn't a pedo, but he was on the worse side of demigods in terms of what he did.

Just needed to work out probably.

What does that say about Morgott who died emancipated?

Mohg if he got off the cursed blood and started working out.

​@@chairmajesty3514 morgott was obviously a gooner

@@chairmajesty3514 Emaciated you mean?

Thank god, otherwise we would have to fight the camera aswell 🙃

​@@BoaeCH You still have to 😢

Well, according to lore he wasn't always that big he just continue to grow

and he have horn on his body too

I think his great rune made him even bigger than normal. Compare how big he was against Morgott vs how big he was against Malenia. Both were during the shattering but at the start and end I suppose.

Great interpretation!

It's a good theory! My personal take (based on the armor description after you beat them), is that the armor and swords used by the Promised Consort are the armaments used by a younger Radahn, before he became the Starscourge, and way before the Shattering.

Or Malenia and her army where attacking his feet you can actually see battle marks on his legs so its possible it's like this because of malenia or the rot rotted his feet away

​@@AALion2004possibly. She went for a the feat, the greatest weakness of tall and big men.

I think it's says somewhere that he chopped his feet off to rely completely on the gravity magic so he could still have his horse with him but not crush it I think

@@gabeconrad7255 no it only says he learned gravity magic to still ride his horse Leonard which I presume he rode since his childhood or teenage years but no he didn't chop his feet off you don't need to chop a peice of your body to use gravity magic it's definitely either Because of Malenia and her army or because of the rot

I always assumed they just rotted away from the scarlet rot

Nah, more like Angron. Magnus was one-eyed freak and had red skin.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought he looked like Magnus.

@@quint3ssent1a I disagree. Angron didn't have red hair or armor with horns on it. Magnus did. And let's not forget that, like Radahn, Magnus favored the sword, whereas Angron preferred axes.

Angron is bald looking this looks like magnus

@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 I thought Angron had dreadlocks.

Consort is meant to be more divine Also it would make sense that they put more focus on star scourge since it was in the publicity him and malenia where the faces of elden ring

Thats why miquella Lost, he don't bringed Leonard back, True Radahn wouldnt left his bro horse for Miquella

@@lalouwu6371 True, Radahn was only at half power without Leonard, and Miquella wasn't a sufficient substitute

It seems that some is fungus and some is white fur trim, as his shoulder-pieces still have the fur in his Consort form.

it's strands of semen

@@randomoinkbomb it all makes sense now that we know that Miquella Literally Brain Raped our Boy Radahn 😔

Sorry to burst your bubble but in gaglimoosh’s book it confirms that it’s actually strings of semen

I was sort of hoping there'd be a secret interaction if you start the battle using his Great Rune, like wearing Velstadt's helmet causes Raime to immediately aggro in DS2.

That's not his body.

He's smaller cuz it's mohgs body

he does not have great rune, because great runes are parts of shattered eldent ring. that's why Messmer also does not have one, as he was sealed away in the realm of shadow before the shattering

@@shaded3695 That's doesn't make sense though, he is significantly larger than Mohg.

It's the insane amount of testosterone coursing through his body

I think the devs just didn't render hair there due to the helmet.... Or maybe that's why he wears a helmet 😂

@@jamiekeane471 or maybe the hair is in the helmet

He put them on his helmet

Dude got a gallon of t flowing through him at any given time

I like your take on this, but I believe that Godfrey has a braid of hair in the front and the back, so the younger Radahn could be emulating that. Godfrey's beard is braided too.

Godfrey and Radagon had braided hair too.

​@@dadevi That's true--and they're both subordinate/conjoined to Marika, so the principle stands.

@@TheMightyNovac ...It doesn't stand, because Godfrey and Radagon are characters that Radahn looked up to, giving a reason for him to wear braids in his youth lol. You were saying that they had to be due to Miquella's influence.

My guy had a cat and learned gravity magic just to ride his scrawny little horse. He's a massive softie and probably agreed to the promise if he was defeated in battle. (Which is why Malenia fought him in the first place)

​@@wellardsharksMiquella purposely sent Malenia so she could kill Radahn and he then would take his soul

Which is why Miquella must take his soul first

@@cooldeer4811 Exactly. He stopped the stars and kept fighting as long as possible and had to be forcibly taken down by Malenia and the Tarnished (and a half dozen summons) before he would go on to be Miquella's puppet. Those don't seem like actions of someone who wants an "age of compassion" without war or fighting.

@@wellardsharks Agreed on the softie part when it comes to animals, but that doesn't mean he was down for being a zombie by Miquella. Which he ironically more or less became by Malenia.

His Great Rune also straight up burns him, his skin is charred

@@Morrov I know his rune is literally burning but I never even considered it was burning HIM….a grim thought but I think your right as well 😢

@@kauaichan It does explain how Radahn still lived at the cost of becoming a raging animal with a hunger for the flesh of his fallen foes and comrades.

@@opusmagnus26 but we know the rot doesn’t necessarily kill, it changes them…he honestly is no different from the massive hounds/crows we see in Cealid….they’re not dying, but mutating. I think that’s the whole reason we put him out of his misery, because it wasn’t ever going to kill him. Mutate him beyond recognition, but unfortunately not lethal….like I originally thought Radahn got so large because his manipulation of gravity, but the size change is also due to the rot.

He looked like that before Malenia Aeonia'd him, so I assumed it was his magic transforming him.

Real

He got whooped one too many times by guts cosplayers in Elden ring just like in the manga

​@@aerickmon3350i thought that Heracles from fate is nosferatu zodd and akuma love child💀💀💀💀

Now that I think about it, the fact that Gaius rides a Boar makes the connection with Ganon even stronger.

General Radorhf

Zelda fans see any other game doing a thing: "Uhhh this gives me Zelda vibes"

At least Elden Ring is being compared to something else than Berserk for once 😆

@Giffsen I haven't played a Zelda game since the GameCube was available in stores. But I see a big bad guy with two large curved swords, grayish skin, and a large mane of red-orange hair, as a final boss, it feels like there's a few metaphors here. In my opinion of course

The new pose is like an early 2000s video game model with a distinct "static animation." It really sort of drives home the point that Radahn at this point is like some sort of Frankenstein's monster with limited autonomy.

​@@ibooferHe reminds me of Kratos

his size is different because that's what scarlet can do. it monsterfies all the animals in caelid, just like how it monsterfied radahn

@@jhenxou4721 no he was always that big Like you are actually talking nonsense you are wrong He's smaller now cus it's mohg's body bit normally he was huge before the battle

@@itaysharf3207 There's also that shot of Morgott pinning down Radahn where Radahn appears to be much smaller than the Scarlet Rotten version we fought in the Festival, and the fact that his chair in Morgott's arena appears to be bigger, but much closer in size to the rest of the chairs, so there is some evidence that points to Radahn only growing to that size later on. Whether this was a result of his Great Rune which boosts health, stamina and mana, which could mean that his body literally grew to match the increase in vitality, or the Scarlet Rott mutating him is up for debate.

that is because it literally just is you can see mohg's horns in his arms its nearly a perfect merging of soul and body

Tbf this is probably what he used to look like just bigger

​@@TryinaD His great rune says he underwent changes after acquiring it so he probably looked something like this at some point.

@@yurifairy2969 yup, I was thinking this was the size he was pre-rune, when he could still ride Leonard normally

YES I was hoping they’d do that and they didn’t, I was so disappointed lol

Plus that would make him look like Guts

Ah shit yeah that would have been pretty cool, but I believe it would have broken theme with one-eyed characters being in contact with Outer Gods. Radahn never directly communed with any outer god.

It would have been cool but narratively didn't fit

@@lopamurble4056 Huh, good catch, I never thought to associate Mohg's stabbed eye with the one-eyed aesthetic we generally see with the empyreans

yeah, he was proud if his Father's red hair, but he also worshipped Godfrey, so it's cool he kinda styled it similarly

Yeah, realized this when I saw more of his hair in the phase 2 cutscene. Can also spot more lion decals on the armor, showing how much he loves Godfrey.

I mean he does also use blood incantations Also radahn with mogh proportions would probably look goofy af

There might be fan art or even concept art depicting that very look. This version just conveys exactly that he has been reincarnated

He's the same height as Mohg now and has Mohg's horns. What more do you want?

Why does the body look identical to Radahn if it's supposed to be mohg's body anyway

I think a better blend of both characters would’ve been to keep this model as is, but show Mohg’s signature omen horns on Radahns head. I think it was a missed opportunity to see Mohg’s horn shape peeking out of the red mane.

Yeah this new just feels like such a downgrade overall

Want to point out, this STILL isn't Radahn in his prime. Miquella stuffed his soul inside Mogh's body. He may be free of Scarlet Rot, but without Leonard and with the possibility that he may be under Miquella's charm, there's good odds that this is a stronger, but still not definitive Radahn fight.

@@spacefaringyoshi yeah he hardly feels like Radahn. He’s got a bunch of stolen attacks and doesn’t have his horse or his bow for that matter.

I think, with Miquella ascending and being a literal god, this was a true resurrection, and not just some necromancy.

@@LeoStep93yup, he was alive again, but just in a new casing and hardware

He's 100% there. We don't know how he feels about Mohg's body, but Mohg's body was remade to be his younger self, so it's not an unfamiliar shell. All it has are a few horns. Freyja knew him very well personally and says this is what he'd want. A massive war to make the world more compassionate is pretty much ideal for him.

@@BulldogFromHell Na-ah. He does not say a word. Not a grunt, nothing, even while you fight him. Freyja is brainwashed just like the rest.

Also i'm shure a young Radahn wouldnt like to fight without Leonard at his side, this dude feels more like a Miquella Representation of Radahn than Radahn himself that is back to life, that would explains why he is mute and his weird pose

What's even worse is that Radahn was probably trying to stay alive not because of his honor crap, but because of the fact that if he dies, he becomes a consort with no free will. Our boy was desperately trying to avoid it and we killed him

@@YourEmperorStef What's kind of eerie that no one seems to notice or talk about is that Consort Radahn is silent and ironically much less expressive than the rot-laden Starscourge Radahn. Miquella immediately mind controlled him to use as a meaty mecha suit rather than give him a chance to do or say anything as himself.

@@joshuakim5240 yeah true! Possibly! I also think it might be because they wanted to reduce the costs, as it would require extra animations and effort considering the ending is so underwhelming with no cutscenes besides that memory.

​@@YourEmperorStef Dude, what part says he has no free will? That's objectively incorrect.

​@@joshuakim5240 Miquella can't mind control 😂 It's influence. He's made Radahn fall in love with him. Radahn's actions are still his own. Same with Mohg and the kidnapping. They become infatuated, nothing more. What they do as a result is still their own actions.

Yeah I’m honestly completely fine with treating Consort Radahn like it didn’t happen. Bro is such a downgrade in every way

Someone needs to animate Starscourge picking up Consort and playing with him like Patrick did Squidward in that episode where Spongebob shrunk him.

consort radahn phase 1 is litteraly it you might say "but hes smaller" but then hes also in a omen's body (who are superior creatures in terms of strengh and magic)

@@idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm he is still being mind controlled by miquella tho

Yeah he doesnt have his beloved steed Leonard in the dlc fight. Miquella isnt even trying to imitate or care for Radahn.

@@idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm actually no, consort radahn is probably not radahn himself but rather a puppet of Miquella prime Radahn would be something in his own body, riding Leonard and much bigger as we know Morgot defeated a young Radahn but prime Radahn isn't mentioned anywhere probably Malenia fought him and Scarlet Nuke couldn't even finish him off.

Or full power Leonard

The fact Miquella even tried to revive Godwyn’s soul does hint at that perhaps being the case, though I agree it would’ve been nice to have some real confirmation. Sadly, that just ain’t Miyazaki’s style.

I could be wrong, but I believe that there's a lot of threads in the base-game already that implied Miquella attempted (but failed to) bring back Godwyn's soul via the Eclipse, so I think this was a case of people not reading too deep into those aspects of the lore--assuming they would be expanded upon with the DLC. Same thing with the Gloam Eyed Queen; the base-game already has a ton of details to read into/extrapolate, and a full story to understand (a foil to Marika's early reign, killed by Maliketh, her servants remained to hunt the gods down, Rykard finds the clearly Gloam-related snake, appears to be a part of Melina, ect), but people were so hyped by her existance and aesthetics that they anticipated a battle or direct appearance--even though she is very clearly dead. The DLC introduces (in my opinion) some pretty direct clues to that story with the Base Serpent concept, but I think it was silly to expect her to show up as a huge boss, or a major character, when the reveal of Melina as Gloam Eyed takes place only after the story is already over, in only one of the endings. You GOT your Gloam Eyed Queen story in the base-game. Meanwhile, the DLC expands on beats that actually mattered; like the nature of spirits, Marika's backstory, the nature of the Omen Curse, and Elden John's ruins.

@@SeNki3301 The Remembrance from this final boss says Miquella admired Radahn from childhood, so I think he always meant Radahn to be his Consort because he was strong, brave and kind. Considering this info, I would say trying to revive Godwyn seemingly had nothing to do with any Consortship, it was just Miquella wanting his big bro back.

I just want to know why he didn't choose malenia. She basically already was a consort and a new body would cure her. Miquella abandoned his love so consort in this context doesn't mean romantic marriage.

@@SmartCreeper Maybe Lord Consorts can't be Empyrians as well 🤔

Also got a bit of Miquella in him, too, based on their "hug" placement.

we really got jack in here

Wow it’s Jacksepticeye. Haven’t watched this guy in years

Got that prince of Sayans hairline

What you doin here cutie😏

Só corrigindo um detalhe: o semideus em questão se chama Mohg. Mohgwyn é o nome da dinastia que ele estava criando junto com o cadáver de Miquella.

Yup, miquella Is a freak

Yeah this is seriously disturbing, it's like Radahn is Miquellas new Kent barbie doll and he can dress him up however he wants :(

@@OnlySinusodial Miquella treats everyone like toys Including his sister that he watched nuke a continent for him, then put to sleep and abandoned entirely

This might legitimately be the most fucked up thing ever depicted in a FromSoft game

​@@niall_sandersonnot even close, the entirety of bloodborne exists

My exact thoughts

"what Miquella can really do"? This IS what Miquella can really do, he wanted to bring Radahn back, he didn't want an amalgamation of them both. If he looks more like Radahn then it shows Miquella's prowess at shaping him more, not less. If he looked like both of them it would show sloppy craftsmanship.

I think it’s more telling how fucked Miquella is. So powerful that he can just about erase almost all of Moghs traces, effectively wiping his existence completely. No body, no soul, just small traces of him that can be easily missed

@@3th3r78 This is a reaaally good point to be fair, I'm just coping because I wanted something like Gael or Orphan of Kos to appear as the final boss, something horrific to tie together the dark/tragic story of Miquella's ascent to godhood, which is really me coping because no godwyn

@@FishWithLipstick Tbh this is really fucking horrific. The monster brianwashed and completely ruined Mogh, who according to Ansbach both in speech and world-building cues, was a honorable and just lord who took in the downtrodden. Before Miquellas influence, he had followers like Ansbach. After Miquella he had Varre and the creepy ass bloodmen living in bloodpools. Only reason he was collecting blood and sending bloody fingers to slaughter others was to collect blood for Miquella's cocoon. Miquella is obsessed about Radahn. When Radahn refused to become his consort, he sent his sister to kill him so he could get his hands on Radahn's soul and force him to obey. His sister literally nearly killed herself to fulfill his wishes.

Where would Placidusax and Bayle fit in this? Not to mention Midra.

Or he's tan because he spent alot of time in the sun and loved fighting😂 tends to happen😂 in official artwork radagon is generally fairer skinned and not tanned with some images depicting him as having pale skin similar to Marika. I think the general is tanned simply for normal reasons.

If he sided with the golden order, why did he fight Morgott and why does Morgott call him a traitor? I am not so sure

​@@user-ki8oc1zg7l Morgott was never a member of any faction. He loved the Golden Order but at the same time was discarded by it cause of his Omen self. During the shattering he crowned himself King of Leyndell to protect the erdtree and the Golden Order itself. As his remembrance said he loved the Golden Order but was never loved in return. It is also implied that during the Shattering wars Radahn attacked Leyndell to become Elden Lord and since the picture of Morgott beating Radahn Shows Morgott hooded, most likely in his Margit persona, I would bet Morgott pulled a sneak attack on Radahn telling him to leave which Radahn obliged to. You gotta realize that the other demigods didn't really know much about the omen twins since they were cast into the sewers to keep them hidden, so Radahn possibly didn't even know who Morgott really was.

It was because Miquella's rape mind control.

I don't think he's capable of speech at this point. He doesn't make any sounds during the dlc boss fight, which seems to imply to me that body's a mindless husk or entirely puppeted by miquella.

​@radojerkovic3059 No, I have definitely heard him growl in the dlc bossfight. Quite a bit actually

@@OfficialBeef poor wording on my end, i was more so agreeing with OP that I don't think he can speak/communicate, not that he's incapable of making noise. Should've been more clear.

@@radojerkovic3059 thank you for the clarification

holy damn you're right they do look alike