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7 of them not sixty2

62 before cutting the wall. Also they probably cut some main load beams.

Gonna need to upgrade the plumbing materials though….. for fire rating.

Not sure those stairs meet code. At least not the code around here where there is a given riser height and the riser cannot allow a 4" ball to pass through. Still cool if you don't have to meet code.

@@blindjustice8718 it could be built out to meet code once it reaches its permanent location!

Your 2" of foam is a better solution because every one of those 'purlins' - they're actually just joists - would be a cold-bridge thru spray foam on the underside

the steel they're made of is Corten. once it has a light rust surface it will block any more rust from forming.

Please link us to your set-up. It sounds like it's super simple and efficient.

I have it set up for "worst case scenario" (nuclear winter) with air intakes. Water collection is on you. Grey water (to reuse for non-potable purposes) is on you. Brown water (responsible disposal) is on you. I didn't show electricals because you can wire it conventional AC or run it with survivalist DC off car batteries being recharged by wind and solar. This is a survival shack and isn't really for permanent occupancy. But hey, it could be a sweet bachelor pad.

The reason the cost is so high is cuz of the commercialization of these structures. You don't need typical framing either which further reduces the cost. The framing in place should only be enough to fit the needs of the design. You don't need a board every 16" in a structure like this. You only need structural reinforcement when you put huge wholes in the wall or completely remove a wall to make the space larger, I've digressed from my point enough. The original intent was to build a structure diy and affordable. As well as reuse material and reduce the consumption of trees for structures. In other parts of the world lumber isn't as abundant as it is in The US.

Yep. And since they are actors who tend to be all environmentally friendly they can just let the raw sewage run out onto the ground... their poop don't stink.

they use custom 53ft semi trailers. alot more space than shipping containers. some even have a popup second floor that extends up once they're on location.

At that point, though, there are honestly some really nice RV trailers that would work just fine and are already built around being moved at least semi-regularly. They're not taking hurricane winds, but most actors tend to get out of dodge when a storm like that comes around anyway.

Exactly. Why waste money on a slab? Something that's a pain to do in any remote area too. Screw piles or even pylons are a better choice.

Yeah, those minimum sq ft laws are a pain. Too much of code is about artificially inflating property value, which is a major waste. For example, as you're probably aware, many places require 100sq ft for at least 1 bedroom, which is kinda silly since it's a bed room. I've seen a 5x8 work as a bedroom with a futon-bunk hybrid(to accommodate a guest), a small entertainment center(in the days of CRT TVs), and a closet. It worked out fine, so, something something like 75 or even 64 sq ft would probably be suitable for a bedroom. That arbitrary code is probably why a lot of shed house conversion are built with sleeping lofts.

Bravo! ;) I'm a civil engineer and the shipping container homes dream just makes me tired at this point. People are still allergic to calculaters and just refuse to go through the numbers. It'd be more efficient to just melt that steel and make an actual home from it. :)

Sign of the times perhaps. Seems like that's been a trend for decades, less for more.

@@valdius85 I actually came up with an idea for using shipping containers to build a home that I think makes financial sense on a per-square foot basis, but it involves using multiple containers with minimal alterations to their structure to build a fairly large home. The second you start cutting into these things and then reinforcing them your costs go thru the roof. Also if you’re framing the interior you’re essentially stick building a home, and losing like a foot of space along an already narrow dimension.

@@sunspot42 nobody wants to live in a metal box and when u add plumbing, permits , electric.. you are only saving money on using them as storage while building.

Belinda Carr has a great analysis of this as well that includes problems with their condensation, reusing ones that carried toxic products, and the fact the strength they have goes away once you start cutting into them

I was gonna reference life uncontained too.

@@LanaPhillips LOL The more suggestions for them the better, they're doing a WONDERFUL job on their build especially with a toddler and a "creeper".

Yes! A crossover episode would be amazing!!!

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fantastic channel, they have done well...

Would be good for wildfire reasons, too!

Awesome. Very welcome

underrated comment.

where is land 11k

@@conradcoolerfiend 2019

@@thinkoutsidethecontainer where???

@@conradcoolerfiend 2019, Florida, 1.25 acres. The year twenty nineteen.

@@thinkoutsidethecontainer wow

I’d love to learn more about those. Seem like a great way to use way less material.

@@timgleason2527 im building a house for myself out of 8 of them. Expect Videos in about 6 months

just need to find an ICF builder that isn't booked out for 5 years and sure

You need to add shipping, permits, install, electric, plumbing, and land. If you are trying to get off to cheap housing I can give a better option than 7.8' wide container

I.e., in no cases

@@dlorien7306 It make sense in cases were speed of eretion is important, or were it is impratical to build a house in situ (like a remote place with a lack of local labour). But yes, it is a marginal product.

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I have been interested in that product so it does make a difference?

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Are you limited on interior space more by the studs or the depth of insulation you need for a giant steel can?

@@everydreamai A timber frame stud is 1-1/2' X 3-1/2". Steel studs are 1- 1/4" X 2-1/2". Steel studs are lighter, always straight, and easy to cut. Because of the corrugated steel walls of the container, spray foam insulation is always deeper than the studs. Typically, this will yield somewhere between an R13 and R19 value. Where you really notice the difference is in the ceiling height. Remember, steel containers "sweat". Encapsulating wood against sweating steel could have longevity and mold issues over time. Steel studs are simply better overall.

@@allenj5865 wet wood bad, but what happens when steel gets wet?

@@everydreamai I have a pile of steel stud cut offs that have been sitting in a pile outdoors since I finished my container home in 2014. Only the cut ends have any rust on them. The steel studs are coated with some sort of coating that prevents corrosion.

@Boy George Not sure you followed my post. My point is that regardless of where you put this, or what land you use, for the square footage that you are getting these are grossly over priced. The 30k dollar versions are basically shipping containers with windows and doors, what we saw were the 80k versions. So no, I don’t think they are a viable solution for the ‘housing crisis’, because again, if you truly wanted to just pump out inexpensive 400 square foot homes, you could do that much more efficiently and cheaply than buying shipping containers and modifying them.

@Boy George I am not talking about using a shipping container. Shipping containers increase the overall cost. The whole point is that they are not cost effective. You are paying 4-8k for a shipping container and then STILL have to modify them and wood line the interior. Again, my point is that shipping containers - when you are modifying them and turning them into homes - ARE NOT COST EFFECTIVE. You end up paying far more than you would for just building the equivalent sized structure out of wood and standard siding. As a basic storage shed they are a great option. Also, just to be clear, the pricing for Bobs containers lists a basic 20ft container home at $32 thousand dollars. That is bare minimum interior. If you want to pay 32k for a 20 foot shipping container home then be my guest.

No, most RV's are minimally built and are more like a tent on wheels than a real structure. The steel structure of a container is multiple times stronger than required for a residential structure, which is what allows containers to be stacked with tens of thousands of pounds of goods and stacked up to 7 high... While in most places container homes have to meet residential building codes! So comparing them to RV's is grossly inaccurate...

@@ZeoCyberG Yeah. but cutting a hole in the side for a door or a window greatly impacts the integrity of the structure. Also the are not multiple times stronger than a residential structure, they are like aluminum cans, strong in compression so that many can be stacked on top of each other but you wouldn't build a house with them.

​@@EqualsThreeable Yes and no, cutting hole impacts the structure but that's easily dealt with and containers are multiple times stronger than normal stick built residential structures. Fact is they are a steel structures. Most of the strength is just in the corners and not in the sides, which is what you're confusing, but they can take loads that would easily crush a residential house. You can't load a house with over 10,000 lbs of stuff and then stack them 7 high on top of each other like you can containers... So strength isn't the issue, just the fact they weren't designed to be used to make a house but that hasn't stopped people from doing it anyway.

Yeah, that would buy a decent mobile too. Only reason would be serious location and labor limitations.

@@kenreynolds1000 Or as a survival cabin. But I wouldn't put 80k into a survival shed. The garage door made zero sense -- unless you have a motorcycle. Maybe to get a hide-a-bed couch inside if you have welded shut the original doors....

@@blindjustice8718 there is a local mini cabin place that will knock out a 16x28 shell on piers for 21k. 30% more floor space and the county won’t look at you weird. That’s a lot of money left over for trim, not as fire or tornado resistant, but your kids won’t have problems selling it.

There’s no hood over the stovetop! So maybe Bob hasn’t discovered the world of home performance yet?

Building a DIY 28'x40' for

Structurally superior, in many locales no/lower taxes, can easily relocate

@@nirpy Unless you are building outside of a code zone, most places won't allow it unless A) it is brought in with a certificate of occupancy already attached; and B) is firmly anchored to a foundation.

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I agree. So far the only companies that I've liked are "Relevant Buildings" in Oregon and "Honomobo" in Canada.

Im building one out of 8 boxes plus two for a guest house. Im well versed on all your complaints. I found a styrofoam product that is made to fit the metal sides exactly that will hyper insulate the structure and give me a place to mount siding to avoid radiant gain. Ill probably be in it for $300k in cost but ill end up with 3100ft2 under roof in the main

I spent $240 on the land but its 90 acres so the value prop is very high and I imagine I could flip it for $1. 7-1.9m immediately based on the ft2 and property size (located in san diego county)

@@mattbrew11, it doesn't make sense to use containers if you're going to splice that many together. You can probably build a 12' tall single story house, steel framed, on an insulated slab -- for that cost -- and it'd be a lot better.

@@alexmills4091 1) my center slab is side insulated and is directly affixed to bedrock so the bottom doesn’t need any thermal management. 2) the containers are sistered together for beds and baths and 16’ cantilever stacked like a Tetris piece. Ill try to find another example of the stacking and link it below. The “great room” located between the two sets of double width tetris pieces is traditional slab on grade with tinted and polished concrete floor with integrated radiant heat which is driven by thermal solar system that can be reversed for passive cooling. 3) I could probably build a square or common shaped home with steel frame for less but I definitely could not reach the level of structural rigidity, durability and seismic resilience for less and likely 30%+ more. It also wouldn’t be architecturally remarkable. This is my first freestanding home and I wanted something truly special. When complete my condo 16 miles closer to the ocean will literally pay for the entire project (stupid SoCal pricing) 4) my property includes its own boulder strewn mountain with a very small amount of space on which to land a slab. The containers themselves give me 1story ft2 I simple could not get in any other fashion without involving granite demolition which is both very expensive and time consuming. 5) when finished this building will likely last hundreds of years with very minimal maintenance. I’m building a family heirloom not just a home. It’ll have a rooftop deck that is the biggest ive ever seen on a home. My goal of this to a have a special place that some day my great great great great grandkids will both enjoy and be able to afford because their distant relative blessed them with a property that will never have any debt and will generate passive income. Its not even connected to the electric grid (I own a large solar company) and water capture is the predominant water source so its quite nearly impossible that any type of overhead would ever force their exit 6) R40+ in the walls, r60 on the roof, R30 under the connex boxes plus a bed rock slab will make for a home that is just a quiet, cool, virtually earthquake proof, incredibly fire resistant and just wonderful place to be.

I feel like the framing isn’t enough

Why do you need more framing with an already solid structure? Jw

@@nicgurkweitz389 hanging tv or heavy objects such as mirrors.. most wouldn’t trust in something that looks cheap/weak, even if it is

the problem with normal insulation (like in-so-fast) is moisture will condense on the steel and water will fill up the walls. thats why they use the closed cell spray foam, its an air barrier as well (if done correctly!). i have seen houses where they have drains installed in the walls to drain away that condensation, but that can fail as well. of course you could simply live somewhere thats so dry condensation doesn't occur.

Interesting point about using "pre-owned" containers.

For 80k it better be brand new lol

Even the paints they use on these sea cans is heavy duty stuff, able to withstand the harsh salty ocean environments. May be better to completely strip the paint and redo at with normal commercial grade paints before inhabiting.

The framing within the container does take up space but you have to take into account electrical, plumbing, insulation. All of those need space and the framing inside the container is exactly what’s needed for those.

Blower Test isn't an issue with the Closed Cell Foam, the focus needs to be on the Doors, Windows and Connections of other containers.

Just as easily as with any modular. You'd need to size the basement hole so the pads at all 4 corners (at least) are sitting on top of the cement walls.

@@michiganengineer8621 Thanks

Sure. Buy another container. Dig a hole. Put one in the ground, stack the other on top. Seal the gap between them. Since it is another container on top and not dirt, the buried one isn't a problem -- except side load on the walls which can be mitigated. You would probably want to use a circular staircase.

@@blindjustice8718 Would burying another container be better than just a regular concrete basement?

@@al-du6lb No because you would need to have it inside retaining walls (CFM or poured concrete walls). My point is rhetorical. If you are going to have the means to dig and pour a basement, just build a house on top of it. Save the conex "houses" for survival shacks.

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Better yet, book an extended international sea cruise aboard a Maersk ship!