Shoe Talk Thursdays - Hoka Speedgoat 4 & Speedgoat 4 Wide (In-Depth Review)

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4 жыл бұрын

In this review, we're talking about the latest Hoka Speedgoat 4 and the Speedgoat WIDE as well! We think they're pretty much the same shoe, but aware the wide version is wide throughout the ENTIRE SHOE, not just the toe box area. Have you tried these on... what are YOUR thoughts on them?
Being in running specialty, our insight on the products are a little different because not only do we RUN in the shoes, we also SELL these shoes to our customers. We thoroughly fit people for shoes. So instead of having one person's feedback it's kind of like speaking for a community of people who were all interested in the same shoe. Good and bad feedback, we tell it all!
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@jameshughesdavies2280 4 жыл бұрын

This is such a great review. You provided exactly the information I was looking for. Thankyou!

@jacobriis7859 4 жыл бұрын

Good to see you posting again. I was already getting worried. Happy running greetings from Denmark.

@petersavage9938 4 жыл бұрын

As always a very informative review. Tells you the stuff you want to know.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Peter!

@whitey536 4 жыл бұрын

Really pumped you guys are back on the reviews!

@travisr3980 4 жыл бұрын

Truly impressed on the quality of your reviews!

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Travis!!

@ErnieOne 4 жыл бұрын

The most serious reviews as always. Thank you!

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Oh, snap. We'll try to smile more....

@Bentan_concur 4 жыл бұрын

Best running shoe reviews hands down. Honest and detailed critiques with no bullshit.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Will!

@dephcon2296 3 жыл бұрын

Great in-depth review! Just ordered them.

@DH-lx8iu 4 жыл бұрын

A great review as always, can’t wait to get them here in Sweden. Thanks

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Good luck - and thanks for tuning in from a different time zone!! :)

@t5kcannon1 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great review. Very useful.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, James!

@alainbosquart9428 2 жыл бұрын

Hello; I started the trail (easy) at 61 and immediately tested this wide model, they are comfortable, I had a hallus valgus operation a few years ago and I don't suffer from it. I manage to progress and I am delighted.

@mattprivette2577 4 жыл бұрын

Picked these up a little bit ago. Only about 10 miles on them. 1st trail shoe but a Hoka fan. Enjoying the ground grip for sure. Solid review! Keep it up.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! Keep running!

@eldinbechar 2 ай бұрын

such a objective review...awsome job

@nigellack2576 3 жыл бұрын

Good review, with useful detail. Thank ypu.

@drewanderson1057 4 жыл бұрын

Great to see a new video

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Drew! We appreciate you watching!

@TheAngoooose 3 жыл бұрын

Great review thanks!

@kaiserbacote8984 4 жыл бұрын

Finally you’re back guys!

@markhurlin715 3 жыл бұрын

Just found your Chanel great review and very in-depth where it matters glad to subscribe 👍

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

@slowjin 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this very detailed and insightful review of Speedgoat 4 Reg and Wides. The part where you mention 'wide throughout the shoe' and adding that the heel area being wider was very helpful!

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Right on, Jin! So happy you found the info you were looking for!

@nieuweblik8831 4 жыл бұрын

I've just completed my first run in these... I've got very wide forefeet with a very narrow heel and ankle....I don't think they run wide at the back... at all... They fit me great ! No issue in locking down the foot what so ever : Great shoe..love 'm

@speedwolf5212 4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Nieuwenhuizen did you buy true to size or half size up on the wide version? I’m used to going 1/2 size up for the extra toe box width & accommodating foot swelling, but I’m not sure with these. The talk in the video of a “wider heel & midfoot” has me hesitant.

@nieuweblik8831 4 жыл бұрын

@@speedwolf5212 Hey, Didn't size up...I have these in 43 1/3... for comparison: I wear Nike in 44 and Adidas in 43 1/3... Recently Altra Torin 3,5 in a size 43,5 (running on the small side ) and Altra Olympus 3,5 in a 44,5...Nice and roomy toebox. All EU sizing obviously....

@iberiksoderblom 3 жыл бұрын

Most people with a wide forefoot, has a normal with heel ! Great error Hoka !!!

@MrEnlakesh 3 жыл бұрын

So good review! Thx!

@apocreg11 4 жыл бұрын

Great detail thanks!

@Manolo71 4 жыл бұрын

Ciao complimenti per la recensione,basandomi sulle tue indicazioni ho preso la versione in Goretex e mi trovo benissimo, sono scarpe fantastiche!!!!!! Bravissimo. Un saluto da Carrè, Italy.

@TheWallace74 2 жыл бұрын

Great breakdown

@gunny6517 2 жыл бұрын

Ordered mine in “wide” today. Great Review! 🇺🇸

@roustabout4fun 4 жыл бұрын

Very good channel for T and all runners...applicable Info to what we want to know.

@nicholasgartell5374 3 жыл бұрын

Oh and yeah an informative review. Many thanks.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it, Nicholas! Thank you!

@nunyabeezwacks1408 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this review. I just bought this shoe today and I’m loving it so far. If my opinion changes, I’ll come back & edit my comment.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! We won't hold our breath...its a pretty solid shoe! :)

@russelljackman1413 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thank you!

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Russell!

@alexbia5689 4 жыл бұрын

Just got this speedgoat 4 have to say even more comfort than the bondi 6 love it def getting more colors soon!.

@timevans5644 4 жыл бұрын

Nathan, thank you so much for your awesome and so in depth shoe reviews. I find them way more informational than that ginger runner fellar. Just wanted to say I really appreciate your content. Thanks again.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Tim! We're definitely not trying to compete with ol' GR...this is a job for him, and he has a brand to protect. :) We're just putting our thoughts out there to the world when we have some down time and are really excited you find some value in them. Thanks again!

@nealprice1813 4 жыл бұрын

Thank for great review, Is the upper on the Evo Speedgoat more flexible than the SG4 through midfoot?

@AmberNixon 4 жыл бұрын

Yay! A new review! I love your reviews and how thorough they are. Thanks for that. I'd love to know your thoughts on the new Topo Zephyr and Altra Timp 2.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Right on, Amber! We'll have those both out as soon as possible! We've already gone to work on the Zephyr, and the Timp just arrived last week. We're on it - THANKS!

@joshcontreras8821 4 жыл бұрын

Nice review. Havent see yall in awhile. You gonna review the new topos?

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Josh! You can start holding your breath now...Topos will be out after just a couple of other reviews!

@thirdfromlast 4 жыл бұрын

Nathan, hi I am a big fan of these reviews. Found it really interesting that you measured the heel to toe drop on the SG4s as 6 mm. Because I have had constant front foot pain since switching to them. I love the ground feel, the comfort etc but I do not get this foot pain in the SG3s. Is there even a possibility that the orange colour wave is a higher heel to toe drop than the other colours (e.g. if each colour wave is made at a different factory)? Because I also have the men's orange that you show in the review. Would you be willing to measure the heel to toe drop in a different colour? Just curious....

@gosekinz 4 жыл бұрын

I would suggest pulling the insoles out and comparing them .. in fact do this for all reviews where you compare previous models or between brands - there is a lot to be learned from the quality and shape of the insole. Great review - maybe throw in the EVO as well

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments and suggestion, gosekinz! When we see a significant difference between insoles or think there is something worth commenting on, we always make an effort to do so. Certainly shoe designers make insole choices for comfort, performance, price and even marketing reasons, and if we feel like it is an odd choice or contributes positively or negatively to our overall impression of the shoe, we'll be sure to call it out. In cases where there is not a significant change or it is similar to other comparable products, we may leave it out. In the case of the Speedgoat, we didn't feel it was a differentiator...as far as we can tell it's the same quality Ortholite insole across the line (SG3, SG4, SG4 Wide, EVO) and while we've never had an issue with it, it's never really jumped out at us. We DO measure characteristics like drop, stack height, etc with the insole OUT, so I guess in a sense we do take variation into account as well. We hope that helps - thanks again for the great suggestion, and we'll keep it in mind for future reviews!

@Stewf85 3 жыл бұрын

Great review & love the comparison vs speedgoat 3. Not a bad trail shoe, but one of the last id choose for technical mountain trails. The grip isnt that great either, lugs seem somewhat ineffective compared to say La Sportiva Bushido or salomon S-lab ultra or speed cross. Mine took 80km to break in & the inner sole has never felt 100% right, nonetheless a comfortable trail shoe for long runs & less technical ultras.

@CapnCwby1969 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review! I'm interested in this one or shoes, I'm not a runner, but I'm on my feet all day, on concrete. The only time I sit is on my lunch break. So are these gonna be good for that?

@micromelis 4 жыл бұрын

Can you review the new Salomon Sense Ride 3 and Sense 4 Pro?

@Matt-hx7jb 4 жыл бұрын

Suggestion for next review: Altra Timp 2.0

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Matt! We JUST got our pair (no pre-production samples for us...we're running and testing production shoes!) and are looking forward to logging the miles. Give us a couple of weeks to get dirty and we'll be sure to post our thoughts!

@technodrone313 2 жыл бұрын

I just got a pair and they are weird lol. But really really comfy. And I didn't have knee pain after a 10mileish hike. i put some silicone laces on it and much better too. they don't hold moisture and are tons more comfy on the top of your foot.

@803248364 4 жыл бұрын

Great informative reviews. Have you got any idea if/when Hoka will release the EVO Speedgoat 4 in a ‘wide’ fit also?

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Russ! We don't see this coming in the near future...ie. We wouldn't hold our breath. Sorry!

@803248364 4 жыл бұрын

The Ultra Running Company Thanks for the response guys, nevermind. If you’re listening Hoka, you’ve got one buyer here.

@drtisbeter 4 жыл бұрын

Looking for a shoe with good grip on slick rocks, sounds like this might be an option. Do you have any other recommendations?

@Rannbo 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use these for HIIT training, sprinting, running on road? Like if I go to the gym a lot and like doing sprints in addition to long runs.

@harmpeters252 4 жыл бұрын

I like the version 3 and will switch to 4 soon. Could you review adidas adios5 in light of potential ban of carbon plates?

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Right on, Harm! We are also interested in the impact of different design aspects (like carbon plates), but at this point the Adios, with it's 10mm heel-to-toe offset, is not likely a product we'll be spending much time in. We're not sure why companies add so much additional heel cushion, especially into shoes designed to "go fast". While there are certainly folks who can run efficiently in them, most of the folks here at URC aren't clocking 2:20 or better marathons and at slower paces the heel really gets in the way of our landing under our body as we'd like to. Here's an overview of our philosophy, if you have a minute (or 10...) to check it out: bit.ly/URCReviews. Thanks again for tuning in and commenting - we appreciate it!

@novadusty6465 4 жыл бұрын

Shops are marking down the SG3 $30 than the 4. Any advice?

@derekhand7904 2 жыл бұрын

Theses are giant in the hiking community right now

@PhxRacket 3 жыл бұрын

Is the forefoot similar to the Clifton 7 in width?

@bumpwavy 10 ай бұрын

i had the idea that vibram megagrip was not as durable as other more generic outsole

@chrisl3856 4 жыл бұрын

Fit true to size?

@10SoccerCrazy 3 жыл бұрын

How r these shoes in winter time where it's slowy etc?? I would love to buy a shoe for my gf thats comfortable in the winter times, so she doesnt slide around and still feel comfort.

@JamesBond-ny3cb 3 жыл бұрын

Do you all provide a 4e wide trail shioe

@petercraig6990 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice review, except for the statemof the wide shoes to be wide, actually it almost no difference at all compared to the regular ones. Unfortunately. I wonder what kind of a foot Hoka design their shoes for when it comes to width.

@RowOfMushyTiT 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can measure the width of the outsole of the 2 versions? I believe the midsole and outsole is exactly the same, just that the upper is looser and has more volume. Wouldn't make sense for them to make new molds and production lines just to add 2mm for the wide version...

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, who dis! It may be hard to believe, but when HOKA says they're making a wide shoe, they're being serious about it. In the case of the Speedgoat 4, we measure the outsole as ~3mm wider at the widest point (M10 = 120mm vs. 123mm). While we don't have the ability to measure inside the shoe where our foot would actually sit (not even sure what tool we'd use short of cutting off the upper), we see no reason to imagine it would be any different. Great question, and thanks for keeping us honest!

@RowOfMushyTiT 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltraRunningCompany Thanks for the info!

@ALCblackout24HD 3 жыл бұрын

How’s the cushion?

@RJ-hi5pw 4 жыл бұрын

Picked up the Speedgoat 4 wide to fit my duck shaped feet, can see what you mean about the wideness all the way back to the heel. Feel I need to work to lock the heel in. Thicker socks help too.

@elvakaffe 4 жыл бұрын

What size? Did you need to size up?

@Kosthoms 2 жыл бұрын

That's a fantastic review! However, no matter extra size I am trying, the side of my big toe is always touching a bit on the side of the toe box. Are they going to break in or is that model not made for me?

@danlatham4569 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, did you mean the shoe is 2mm wider, or 2cm wider -2mm seems like nothing?

@hrishikeshrally 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, is there a good Hoka trail shoe that works for a more square-at-the-top foot?

@AndrewficationGaming 3 жыл бұрын

Planning to buy this for Christmas .. should i buy it or not? im a newbie trail runner wannabee ..

@silviataylor92 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Whats better option mafate speed 3 or speedgoat 4 for hiking with wet rocks?

@Azer_GG 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, how is the fit of *SG4 Wide* compared to *Challenger ATR 5 normal width*? The Challenger 5s are roomy and comfortable, but they're road-to-trail shoes, and traction isn't the greatest, would love to upgrade to Vibram Megagrip.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Reza! Great question - we'll take a swing at it: The Challenger is *slightly* more accommodating in the toe box by design vs the Speedgoat, meaning that the front 1/4 or so of the shoe fits slightly wider in our experience. The "wide" version of the SG makes it slightly wider through the heel, instep and towards the metatarsals (just below where the toes connect to the rest of the foot). SO...if your fit concern is in the toes, we're not 100% sure the SG Wide will be a better solution. If its throughout the foot, then the SG Wide *would* be a better solution. For us, the hierarchy would go like this (dialed-in ---> accommodating): Speedgoat, Challenger ATR, Speedgoat Wide, Challenger Wide. We hope that helps! Also: we do love us some MegaGrip. :)

@Azer_GG 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltraRunningCompany aww thanks for the great answer :( I do need secure midfoot lockdown and but toebox should be wide! I also own Altra timps , great fit, but outsole rubber is questionable on wet rocks.

@torqueroll1 3 жыл бұрын

That narrow toe box in combination with the agressive taper is ridiculous.

@jamesbrian4513 3 жыл бұрын

HI, I am trying out the speedgoat 4 Gore Tex in the UK and i am torn between sizes, over here they do a 12.5 and then jump to the 13.5 (no 13) trying round the house I have a lot of room in the 13.5 but feel comfy, the 12.5 fits ok but does feel a bit restrictive in the mid foot. my fear is the 13.5 is a bit too big, where do you find your big toe comes in these hokas as a guide as i dont want to risk it for an expensive shoe

@Seahawks1976 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review. Would this shoe work as just a general daily shoe too?

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Austin! We know folks who wear trail shoes daily (lots of Salomon Speedcross at the mall...), so these would be a comfortable alternative. They are pretty aggressive, though and something else from HOKA like the Bondi or Clifton may be better unless you're continually on broken surfaces (construction, fields, etc). :) Enjoy!

@Seahawks1976 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltraRunningCompany than you

@nicholasgartell5374 3 жыл бұрын

is there a Speedgoat 4 Evo? I'm in NZ so can't get them "in store" at all?

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

The EVO is based on the Speedgoat form used for both the 3 & 4, so it is identical for both shoes. The changes made between the 3 & 4 were primarily in the upper, and the EVO does not share an upper with either shoe...so it was unaffected when they updated the versions. :)

@lin16hk 3 жыл бұрын

Can I ask, would you recommend to stay true to size, or shall I get a half size up??

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

We'd suggest staying true to size, unless you have a wide forefoot. This shoe has a pretty decent taper to it, so if your foot is a bit squarer than pointy it may be in your best interest to leave a little more room and go up half a size. :)

@chaba49 4 жыл бұрын

I read Hoka is discontinuing The Bondi's . Is Hoka going out of business ??

@TheUltraRunningCompany 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Chaba49. The new Bondi 7 is expected to be released on August 1, 2020. And no, the fastest growing running shoe company in the country for each of the past 8 years does not appear to be going out of business.

@thisMyJourney 4 жыл бұрын

I've been using the speedgoat 4 less than a month and try it twice time, but unfortunately my fore foot rubber on the upper was pelling off, I don't know if it just some issues that I get from my pair of shoes, but I think the upper part of this shoe especially on the fore foot need to be stiching and not just sticking on it with glue, or just remove the rubber part on the forefoot because it has no function at all and just make annoying if it don't strong enough sticking.

@morganflockhart5825 4 жыл бұрын

Dwi Priyatmoko was that regular or wide ?

@thisMyJourney 4 жыл бұрын

@@morganflockhart5825 the wide version, but I just got an exchange with a new one from store. I think the upper fore foot design is better on Speedgoat Evo or the EVO Mafate 2

@morganflockhart5825 4 жыл бұрын

Dwi Priyatmoko No there’s a problem with the 4 Wide only I’ve had it on two pairs I think Hoka are aware of this now same spot !

@fuselee6891 4 жыл бұрын

Mine did the same thing on my first run lol

@Fozzee.1970 3 жыл бұрын

Where does the Evo Speedgoat fit in with the Speedgoat 4 and Speedgoat 4 wide as far as width is concerned. Tried the Torrent 2 they fit my wide feet well. Want to try the Speedgoat but not sure what size to get. Heard the Evo speedgoat has a nice fit.

@TheUltraRunningCompany 3 жыл бұрын

Hi John. Our guess is the EVO would fit you well - we think its the "Goldilocks" of the model. It is NOT a wide, but the toe box is more accommodating - as far as we can tell because they've loosened the taper just a touch when applying the MATRIX upper and the lower tongue (spandex-type) material. If the Torrent 2 fits you well, that's a good sign...that shoe has a more rounded toe box than many trail shoes and is a pretty solid indicator of how the EVO would fit. The WIDE is wide throughout, which makes it a little sloppy in really technical terrain if you DON'T have a wide foot. For us, the taper on the standard Speedgoat is just slightly *too* aggressive, leading to almost immediate (OK, for us that means in the FIRST 50k...) blisters unless you have a really pointy foot. We hope that helps!

@Fozzee.1970 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltraRunningCompany very helpful thank you.

@Fozzee.1970 3 жыл бұрын

So I got the shoes today. First run I found them almost too soft underfoot. My feet aches and there was very little springback. I'm a heavy guy 104kg. I just feel like I sink in and their is no energy return. Really disappointed my feet got sore and dead. It was almost like running on sand it sapped my legs. Does it get better or is it likely these just don't suit my running?

@teipkep 2 жыл бұрын

Why Hoka making them wide all over? It's just the toes we need wide on.

@migatron1 4 жыл бұрын

Need some help These or the ATR 5s ?

@RealRyanSecord 4 жыл бұрын

I would go ATR 5 depending on your needs. The reason is because of the durability. I hear about major issues with durability on the new Speedgoats (look it up). I like the Stinson ATR, but it is a bit heavy. I don't mind some weight, it supplies great cushion and I am not a podium finishing speed guy (I am a slow ultramarathon guy). But after a lot of research, I am going to go for the Altra Olympus 4.0 when it is released. I suggest giving it a look. A bold move for me, as I only really run in Hokas, but their current trail lineup is lacking for me. Hoka road shoes are king right now, though.

@migatron1 4 жыл бұрын

@@RealRyanSecord Thanks for the informative response. I went ahead with the SG 4s as the price they had them on sale for was cheaper than the Challenger ATR 5s. Only time will tell if this was the correct choice in terms of longevity/durability etc

@RealRyanSecord 4 жыл бұрын

@@migatron1 If you don't mind the fit of the Speedgoat (I find the toebox to be less comfortable than other Hokas), the only issue you will find is that the "weatherproofing" on the Speedgoat 4 toebox tends to become delaminated where the toe box creases as you bend your toes. From what I understand, this is cosmetic in nature, but could be best solved by trimming the torn or excess peeling with a razor blade before the peeling spreads. Google this issue to see what I am talking about. Additionally, a more troubling issue is the "strip" in the center of the toe box where the laces meet becomes detached on some shoes. You may not have these issues, but if you do, you are not alone. The outsole and midsole on the Speedgoat 4 is a solid 9/10, though.