Shogun Episode 8 Reaction and Discussion 1x8

Shogun Episode 8 Reaction and Discussion 1x8 | The Abyss of Life

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@nupefromdaville Ай бұрын

Who Can You Trust?! My Breakdown of Loyalty in Shogun S1:E8 Did episode 8 leave you questioning EVERYTHING? What does it truly mean to be loyal in a world of power struggles? We analyze the characters' motives and ask... can Toranaga find a true ally? Click the link below to unpack the loyalty dilemma! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntt-oa162ruqiKM.html

@momorgan9793 Ай бұрын

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@gypsy1rose417 Ай бұрын

After watching several reviewers completely miss the mark on this episode, storyline, and the characters, it's so refreshing to see reviewers who actually understand what's going on. Rather than just crapping on the series, characters and writing because a character you loved ended up dying, you two are seeing beyond the surface to understand the brilliance of the writing and acting.

@benwarwick4290 Ай бұрын

its bad writing. how can you like Toranaga after that. are we not suppose to be routing for him?. not isoida. to use your son's death and make your best friend die in shame and abandonment so he can live and gain the crown. your not a likeable character! and dude talking about 4d chess and lvls etc however if you have to sacrifice everything to reign over ruins what's the point?! so no idea what his 7D chess move. all its's seam to done is derail a lot of people from this story!

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Toranaga is thinking on behalf of all of Japan. It's bigger than his friendships, his son, his family as a whole. Sacrifices have to be made.

@hufemeve Ай бұрын

@@benwarwick4290 1. It seems you lack deep understanding of Japanese culture. 2. Toronaga told Hiromatsu "then die by my side in Osaka", which meant: Please stick to me, stick to my vision and go along" If you don't it is your own fate to choose. It is you alone choosing Seppuku, it is you alone." Toronaga already made up his mind, so Hiromatsu had to make up his own as a free man. 3. Toronaga as the Leader could not yield in front of his Generals, because he is the Leader, he is the one at the top, the one achiever, the one in command. When the Generals uprisen in protest, Hiromatsu understood what needed to be done: step in and set aside the Generals from the argument so he could make it on his own. 4. Duty & Loyalty have great depth in Japanese society. 5. "If you look and see nothing, then look harder"

@FdotStizzy Ай бұрын

@@benwarwick4290it’s not bad writing at all. It seems like quite a bit may have went over your head.

@KO-vh3pf Ай бұрын

@@benwarwick4290 benwarwick4290 will never understand Japanese history. I understand that you cannot understand human relationships based on old Japanese stories.

@user-kd9mu9vn2g Ай бұрын

I have been watching reaction videos from various youtubers. It is unfortunate that sometimes there are people who only understand the scene between Toranaga and Hiromatsu on the surface and consider Toranaga ruthless and stupid, but I am glad as a Japanese that you two understand it so well. To Toranaga, Hiromatsu is like a limb cut off by frostbite. It is a great blow, but a necessary sacrifice to keep alive something more important.

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Thank you for the beautiful compliment. And thank you for your view. It really means a lot.

@youpvanligten5788 Ай бұрын

It even goes further than that I believe. Hiromatsu understood that the consequenses would be worse if he didnt do what he did. This meeting might have escaladed to the point where Toronaga's plan would've gotten out. Hiromatsu saw this. They would've had to fight a lost battle and face a sure death for all.

@user-kd9mu9vn2g Ай бұрын

@@youpvanligten5788 I agree completely. Toranaga and Hiromatsu's lines in the seppuku scene were the opposite of what they really meant. Hiromatsu thought this was not a futile death, and Toranaga was trying to avoid Hiromatsu's death. Even Toranaga's Eightfold Fence, which is more robust than anyone else's, could not fool only Hiromatsu. That is why I cried when Toranaga finally showed his true feelings to Mariko with his voice trembling and tears in his eyes. At first glance it looks like Toranaga did something cold and cruel, but it was really Hiromatsu who was cruel. He knew that Toranaga could not refuse his offer, and he himself said that he would commit seppuku. Just as Toranaga's spies are everywhere, so are Ishido's. And the letter he was reading just before Lady Ochiba visited Ishido was probably from a spy. Hiromatsu understood Toranaga's heart better than anyone else and chose to make sure the hidden plan was secure. In exchange for Hiromatsu's life, Toranaga's plan became solid. If Toranaga became Shogun as a result, then Hiromatsu's goal would be accomplished. I think this is expressed in Gin and Kiku in episode 8. I thought these women were intentionally staged as a mirror of Toranaga and Hiromatsu.

@user-ts1pk1kg2v Ай бұрын

初めて視聴させていただきましたが、こんなに物語の内容を理解しようとしてくれている事に感動しました。お二人とも俳優さんの演技を注意深く視聴され、このキャラクター達の真意をくみ取ろうとしてくれていますね。とても素晴らしいレビューでした。ありがとうございました。

@user-goro12hero19agi Ай бұрын

今では日本人でさえ理解しにくくなっている深い感情や積み重ねられた論理を、こうやって海外の人たちがドラマを通じて登場人物たちの心に寄り添おうとされているのを見ることはとても有り難いことですね。それだけ真田さんらが本当に素晴らしいドラマを作って下さったからだとあらためて思うし、私もこのドラマの展開に泣かされました。

@tsuno9558 Ай бұрын

Various reactors have watched this episode, but I don't think anyone has captured the emotional subtleties and plans of toranaga and hiromatu as finely as you have. Great reactions!

@Syntell Ай бұрын

🙏🏾 Thank you so much

@uncleelias Ай бұрын

You guys got to the meat of this episode better than all of the other reactions I've watched so far. You only came up on my recommendations today. I'm going back to watch the previous reactions. Great job! Thanks.

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for giving us your time. We hope you enjoy the rest of the content.

@paulhuang1694 Ай бұрын

Fax!!

@Mr.Hyde_23 Ай бұрын

You guys explained the whole situation very well. Best I've seen so far.

@TripleAM19 Ай бұрын

Wow, I've watched a lot of reactions on this episode, and I feel that yours has been the most understanding and insightful. You guys are pretty spot on on your analysis!

@lizomkhize Ай бұрын

Toranaga is a different breed. He has to live with these sacrifices. It's great that you guys truly understand the gravity of the Hiromatsu sacrifice and its necessity. Toranaga has an unwavering commitment to the cause. I also love that he made his son's rather meaningless death meaningful. He really is the dude he thinks he is.

@SpoopsdaGawd Ай бұрын

I rewatched the second episode and the Taiko even said the words that Toranaga understood that the one who stands above all others, stands alone. Toranaga is willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING to make sure Japan doesn't fall back into civil war.

@Christopher-xn6rb Ай бұрын

That was some damn intelligent observation… Keep up the great work 👍

@Syntell Ай бұрын

🙏🏾

@Melodicroger Ай бұрын

It’s wisdom that with those grey whiskers in their beards. They’re sage dudes.

@hufemeve Ай бұрын

all I can say is the following: 1. This episode alone raised the TV-series quality bar to a whole new galaxy ⭐🌟 The script, the acting, the plot, the unexpected twists, etc. it was awesome!! 1. Mariko to Buntaro: Look, your Tea show was the shit, but you ain't shit to die for.... 1. Lord Hiromatsu did the ultimate sacrifice & I hate his departure. RIP to one of the Shogun's true OGs 2. Lord Toranaga better go Thermonuclear on Ishido & Co.

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Toranaga is about to go scorched earth. And I'm here for all of it.

@davidk6269 Ай бұрын

After rewatching episode 8 for a second time, I think that I better understand what happened in the pivotal scene were Hiromatsu committed seppuku. I first thought that the seppuku was planned in advance. However, now it now seems to me that it was NOT pre-arranged for Hiromatsu to commit seppuku to sell the ruse. I think that was a brilliant improvisation by Hiromatsu after he saw that the other vassals were confronting Toranaga about going to Osaka as being a ploy. To save the situation, Hiromatsu came up with the brilliant idea in the heat of the moment of committing seppuku to crush any doubt that going to Osaka was genuine and not a ploy. When Toranaga tries to persuade Hiromatsu not to comit seppuku, he says to Hiromatsu: "Then die by my side at Osaka." There is genuine feeling in Toranaga's eyes and his manner seems to indicate that he is pleading with Hiromatsu not to do this ultimate act of sacrifice which Hiromatsu has just proposed. Hiromatsu then replies: "You are throwing away all that we have fought for." I think that this is Hiromatsu's coded way of telling Toranaga that there is no choice, but for him to die in order to save the secret plan from unravelling (all that they they have fought for) and to convince any spies that there is no secret ploy and that Toranaga is actually surrendering. Toranaga then looks over at the dissenting vassals (who might be spies), and sees that Hiromatsu is correct--there is no other way but for this tragic sacrifice to be made by Hiromatsu. Wow. Very powerful stuff.

@user-ot3ud2sr4y Ай бұрын

I enjoy the various reactions of several overseas reactors, but your reaction, consideration, and insight on this channel are wonderful. As I am Japanese, I was curious how non-Japanese people interpret it, but I was surprised that you both understood it well.Thank you for sharing your great reaction.

@denisfonseca8549 Ай бұрын

What I love about Hiromatsu scene is how clear it is that buntaro respects him and will honor his words, he doesnt have to go "do you promise me you will live?" he just says "that is what you doing."

@alepzna4383 Ай бұрын

Best reaction to this master episode 8 so far! Really love your insights, very deep and mature.

@roymerritt348 Ай бұрын

Toranaga didn't want his son or his friend to die. But he suspected Yabu was a spy, and didn't know how many others were spies. Hiromatsu mistakenly gave the ploy away when he told Yabu that Toranaga was not going to surrender. He realized too late what the plan was, and by commiting seppuku reversed his mistake by solidifying Toranagas surrender to the spy Yabu. Great episode.

@Oakland510 Ай бұрын

Great point at 30:05 by rekkai , Toranaga did say this isn’t just about preservation of a few but the entire of Japan. He’s thinking about the entire realm and knows the dark days it’s been through under the former former Taiko (Ochiba’s tyrant father who was killed by mariko’s dather Jinsai) throughout the entire show Toranaga has referenced keeping the realm safe like Rhaeneyra in HOTDS1 when daemon called for war. Both heads of their clan knew full well what it really means for all out chaotic war but they are thinking of the many, instead of the few. Not easy to do but the highest man at the top is the most loneliest as the Taiko in ep2 said.

@arahard25017 Ай бұрын

Although it is often forgotten, there was an emperor in this era. However, according to the custom of "reigning but not ruling," politics was carried out by the samurai. Both the Taiko and the Shogun were official advisors to the Emperor, and officially, they were appointed by the Imperial Court as those who survived battles.

@Oakland510 Ай бұрын

@@arahard25017 yeah I’m aware there was/has been an emperor’s during this time but they were more figure heads as far as I read. Like the King of England, He is the face but the actual leader is the Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Great point!

@wildreeds Ай бұрын

Best critique of this episode from the others I've watched reacting to this episode. You guys get... IT!

@shinichiiwashita6903 Ай бұрын

Not few viewers can’t accept Hiromatsu sacrifice himself even his death save Toranaga’s plan. There were no verbal communication in between for the plan but as Toranaga reads 10 moves ahead, he predicted Hiromatsu take perfect move for him. I believe the scene is inspired by true event which is very famous story between 徳川家康 (Tokugawa Ieyasu) and 鳥居元忠 (Torii Mototada)

@SureshKumar-fm8hu Ай бұрын

Putting priest next to courtesan is next level historical trolling😂😂. After pillowing u can go to priest to wash your sins and after your sin washed you can again come to tea house

@carlart74 Ай бұрын

Yo.. this show.. your reaction to this specific episode.. you got my sub my dudes… best freakin’ show of the decade man. And yeah.. Toranaga still be trollin’ them Portuguese priests hard.

@tyizzle80 Ай бұрын

Man I've been waiting on this. I almost trolled your other videos asking when you're posting Ep8 ,and right when I was gonna do that I seen yall put it up thanks😂

@Syntell Ай бұрын

A bit delayed, but always ready. Thank you for waiting. More to come!

@mikesincere27 Ай бұрын

Yo the way yall broke that down at the end, CHEFS KISS!!!! That was deep!!

@harry52253 Ай бұрын

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@Syntell Ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you, thank you for wuch a wonderful compliment.

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@cambad9900 Ай бұрын

Hey guys. I just happened to click this video and it turned out I thoroughly enjoyed your conversation. Brother on the right has great clarity on some very layered topics. This is the kind of pub/bar talk that is great.

@IndomitableAde Ай бұрын

I love when Toranaga looked straight at Hiromatsu and said, "I will not yield" I took that as him sending the message to Hiro that he wouldn't yield _to the Council_ , which is why Hiro said what he said to Buntaro about not giving up on Toranaga. Other reactors I've watched took it as him being cruel and unyielding in his resolve to see Hiro dead.

@MarkLantigua Ай бұрын

You guys get it. It's refreshing. Thanks guys, been loving your reactions to this show.

@Oakland510 Ай бұрын

Pouring one out for Hiramatsu too 🫗he was a triple OG. Man was 70+ and ready for smoke at any point

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Broke my heart to see him go. But he went out like a CHAMP!!!

@Oakland510 Ай бұрын

@@Syntellhe was ALWAYS ready. Remember when he pulled up in episode 1 when he questioned Yabushige’s loyalty about Blackthornes gun and cannons. OG

@roninsct7017 Ай бұрын

..this is Bushido, what is expected of Samurai..

@IsiahBradley Ай бұрын

THANKS for this!!!!

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@Oakland510 Ай бұрын

Even in mourning Toranaga still be Trollin ! Putting the church next to the street walkers 😂😂.

@Syntell Ай бұрын

He had all the jokes on that one 😂

@SkywalkerExpress Ай бұрын

@@Syntell That place will soon be the home of a new 'Guild' of Courtesans which we know today as the 'Geisha'. Thats how it started.

@benwarwick4290 Ай бұрын

@@SkywalkerExpress Christian Geisha's?

@captain_britain Ай бұрын

@@benwarwick4290 Trolling, or...?

@SkywalkerExpress Ай бұрын

@@benwarwick4290 Nope, Geisha as a professional term only became known in the 19th century, while Christianity has been banned in Japan since 17th century. But the earlier form of Geisha was establish during this Shogunate era where street walkers were banned and prostitution activities can only be done inside 'Tea Houses' with permit and license from local Daimyo.

@Melodicroger Ай бұрын

This episode has me feeling some kind of way about a trash husband getting some realness from his wife. This show is magic.

@Syntell Ай бұрын

And she STILL passed 😂

@Andrei2patrU Ай бұрын

That haiku "battle" between Mariko and Toranaga was beautiful, I would examine it again and its meaning is basically the whole episode. Also, I hope people realize that Toranaga is not just gonna move all his chess pieces forward now in an all out flashy assault, there's still a lot of chess to be played - if the pieces are people, the less you lose the better.

@Melodicroger Ай бұрын

It’s a hard show to predict but I think Crimson Sky will be a display of cunning and sacrifice rather than a GoT big battle spectacle.

@kwesikennedy7543 Ай бұрын

I think the main thing a lot of the people missing what Toranaga is doing here is also harm reduction. Previous two episodes drove home how little he likes warfare. Even during his first battle, he was not happy with that victory because of the raw brutality he witnessed and had to commit in order to maintain peace. If his son and best friend have to die in order to avoid an all out massacre THAT THEY WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY LOSE, so be it.

@exist2rebel152 Ай бұрын

Yep. He is 💯 Japan over Klan.

@phyllishahart6111 Ай бұрын

Just added myself to the patreon team! Thanks for putting me on this amazing show!

@anderson6013 Ай бұрын

Now his banner-man can act on their own without putting the rest at risk, they can plan an attack or do something else and Ishido will just assume that they are acting at freewill (since most of Toronaga's council are disagreeing with him and even committing sepukku) . Toronaga knew this would happen without saying a word. Also hiromatsu is a G he knew what to do, he set himself as an example of going out with honor after going against his lord (Harakiri), because he sensed that toronaga's generals could rebel, but now they can't because that would be dishonorable (honor means everything). I've seen reactions where ppl just called the writing bad or just trashed the show after hiromatsu died, but i realized that when watching the show you have to chose between being "the falcon that takes the bait and gets captured, or you fly high and see beyond the lure that was thrown at you" loved the reaction btw y'all are great 😁

@ffoneal Ай бұрын

Wow. I caught a lot of what Toranaga was doing in this episode but, you guys just opened my eyes to the subtleties of the sacrifice that Hiromatsu made in that scene. What a powerful, powerful scene!

@andrewsammond6517 Ай бұрын

I really enjoy watching your reactions to the series. I feel like you two actually understand the deeper meaning and subtleties of each episode that others seem to miss and your conversations afterward always draw me in. I feel like it may be difficult for a lot of westerners to understand the culture and tradition of Japan, especially ancient Japan. Being part Japanese myself growing up in the States, I even have difficulty with it at times. There's a reason why Tokugawa (whom Toranaga is based) had a reigning and (mostly) peaceful 250+ year dynasty. All the pieces had to be put in place for success. Anyway, thank you again, Looking forward to the next episode!

@DisingenuousComment Ай бұрын

No one gonna talk about how we got to see a great side of Omi this episode? The guy is probably the most relatable in the whole series

@kwesikennedy7543 Ай бұрын

Omi openly weeping at Hiromatsu's death was striking. Wouldn't have believed you If you had told me at episode 2 that I would have been moved by his sorrow,. They've done a masterful job of making everyone three dimensional charterers.

@mumon5436 Ай бұрын

In Japan, true friends are said to be able to communicate with each other through ishin-denshin(以心伝心) (heart to heart without talking). Such is the relationship between Hiromatsu and Toranaga.

@q9_3rj-imxN Ай бұрын

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@Jo-cm5jv Ай бұрын

Wow, congrats guys. Saw a lot of different reviews where people got mad and said the writing was bad but they didn’t understand anything. Instead, you have the best review ever. Chess game. People who didn’t understand didn’t get that if they reacted this way is also because of how well this is written. Amazing performances.

@gbrkura4467 Ай бұрын

There is a proverb in Mr. Son's military tactics that says, ``Before deceiving your enemy, first deceive your allies,'' and the death of his son (who did not even attend his funeral) and seppuku of a senior vassal were all part of this. His senior ministers saw through his plan that he had no intention of going against Osaka, and made his plan a success with his own death.

@enicole1203 Ай бұрын

Hiromatsu-sama!! The ultimate ride or dye! The embodiment of "understood the assignment!" The guy whose picture you will find in the dictionary under both Duty and Loyalty.

@thihaaung647 Ай бұрын

Y'all might blame Toranaga for letting his bff dies and hesitate to take action. But Tokugawa Ieyasu, the man Toranaga is based on, was a cunning strategist who prefered tactics over open war. He patiently waited for his time to shine and surpassed all his rivals in order to become Shōgun. That's why he's different from the other warlords.

@theinfamouspokeinrichmondc3543 Ай бұрын

Excellent review. This episode is the hardest episode that I have seen since Games of Thrones' The Red Wedding episode. You just earned another subscribe. Looking forward to seeing more reviews!

@alexlim864 Ай бұрын

16:30 I think Toranaga was very insulting, with the choices of land given. The courtesans deserve a better kind of neighbor. :-D

@nupefromdaville Ай бұрын

Jesus walked amongst the dregs of society. What better place for a house of worship?

@jeffreyrobinson6988 Ай бұрын

Old Japanese saying: It is easier for a strong man to act weak than for a weak man to act strong. 😉🐉

@sunshallrise Ай бұрын

Wow so nice

@user-lv9pr9or2h Ай бұрын

I am Japanese. Unfortunately, there is no such proverb.

@deonphil9066 Ай бұрын

I don't think Hiromatsu was refering to Mariko when speaking with Buntaro. It was more about setting feelings aside and trusting your Lord when it "appears " he is defeated. That's when Buntaro looked at Toronago and things clicked. Hiromatsu also asked the same of Fujii. Fuji was also denied.

@jamespaatmag6782 Ай бұрын

Awesome review! Hands down best one online.

@JCMcGee Ай бұрын

Brilliant stuff guys...

@sunshallrise Ай бұрын

This is so nice you two get it

@ThaAlfaMale Ай бұрын

This is the best show. It will be sorely missed once it’s over in a couple weeks time. One (season) and done.

@arctan2010 Ай бұрын

I really felt this episode with both you guys and really enjoyed you both anticipating the long game even though the plan is not visible. In chess, often strategic players don’t mind long grueling end-games a lot more than tactical players who prefer to attack more in the middle-game than to defend or maneuver. I will really miss Hiromatsu’s voice and wisdom. I agree he has to coolest voice and cadence.

@yavorshopov7958 Ай бұрын

By far the best movie series i have ever watched in my life,supreme cast,costumes,authenticity

@hufemeve Ай бұрын

@Syntell & @Rekkai Question for you guys: Given your superb analysis & analogy of the protagonists with the Chess game, how would you rank MARIKO? She's obviously not a grand master like Toronaga moving the pieces, setting the stage & with the grand vision, but she's moving along next to him in every step of the plot, and now is her time to execute a master stroke. What are your thoughts? Cheers

@pbc_03 Ай бұрын

there are "reviewers" who only pay attention to the entertainment. Just the surface. You 2 brothers pay attention. Actual attention and are able to see the big picture. this series, novel has always been about strategy and Toranaga is the master. Even if it takes the sacrifice of his loved ones, he is willing to do whatever it takes to look out for his people and country. not personal conquest.

@user-vj2yt8lp4u Ай бұрын

I saw a number of other Americans reviews of emotional nature (voicing negative opinions against Toranaga for allowing Hiramatsu seppuku) and thought ah as expected, it is difficult for Americans in general to take it in. But when I (Japanese) finally came across yours, I thanked you nailed it

@phdtesla8325 Ай бұрын

Love your reaction vid!

@roninsct7017 Ай бұрын

..the Sengoku Jidai period of Japan produced the most capable military and political leaders in their time. Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Takeda Shingen, and Tokugawa Ieayasu...the last man standing..Tokugawa who is the RL Toranaga. Ieayasu was not as brilliant a general as the others, but he was a master politician strategist in the context of their culture. For people who say the original Shogun series was better, it is for a westerner, but the new series is more in line with actual Japanese perspective.

@DisingenuousComment Ай бұрын

i don't disagree with you brother, but Nobunaga was real boss of Hinomoto :)

@jonesb02 Ай бұрын

black men doin reviews! im subscribin! yall gettin the point too! Hiromatsu was the Queen for him

@kaiuluitova6369 Ай бұрын

You guys are the best reactors other reactors were hating on Toranaga

@peepinR Ай бұрын

This show is often compared to Game of Thrones and we get this scene that GOT would be proud of. Gutwreching and utterly absorbing. It seems this scen has hit many reactors as hard as it hit me

@3YearsApart1613 Ай бұрын

Great chess analogy. Well done.

@kaitofuuma Ай бұрын

Yabushige is pretty predictable, the reason why he didnt protest is simply because he needs to look loyal, he knew Toranaga wary of him because of his connection with Ishido, so at the very least he will keep put a loyal face with Toranaga.

@xuedi Ай бұрын

Quite the commitment for a simple ruse ... but he new the plan ...

@lakerspackers11 Ай бұрын

When a general was about to pull his sword out, do you think it was to attack Toranaga and stage a coup? Or to commit seppuku…

@Syntell Ай бұрын

I think it was to attack. But more as a caution than as an offensive move.

@npierce14 Ай бұрын

Attack but more on the grounds of protesting toranaga wanted to root out the people who weren’t willing to fight and die

@tayduatrinhcoi Ай бұрын

In the official episode podcast, the producer said the other lords were ready to pull their swords to commit seppuku but Hiromatsu stepped up to do it in their stead. Toranaga never meant for Hiromatsu to die, but Hiromatsu did it to keep up the act.

@alcor4670 Ай бұрын

@@Syntell A small detail: the generals - like Hiromatsu - only had their wakizashi under their belts. Even if they chose to start a coup -- which was very highly unlikely -- they would easily be outnumbered and cut down by those guys sitting along the walls (who held their bosses' katanas). No, they were most likely going to commit seppuku themselves. Knowing how old he was (as he mentioned back in Ep. 1 iirc), Hiromatsu knew Toranaga would have a better chance at Osaka if he didn't lose these three. He saw this, and saved them by doing it himself in their place. And since spies were most likely watching the whole thing he most likely hammed it up for their benefit, making sure that they'd report back to Osaka that Toranaga was indeed broken. Probably the only honest things he said to Toranaga during that performance was him saying goodbye, and him saying sorry.

@ngocquoc2828 Ай бұрын

Yea seppuku was also kind of protest back then

@SutekhDaSteemroller Ай бұрын

Toronaga coming out coughing every time he met with his council was also bs lol.

@user-xh6mk9dc1m Ай бұрын

侍にチキンゲームはありません。刀身を抜けば必ずどちらかが死にます。そして日本には諫死という文化があります。家臣は切腹という手段で主君を命がけで諌めます

@gakushi51 Ай бұрын

This script may seem like fiction, but it cannot be considered fiction. This is because the model for 'Toranaga,' Tokugawa Ieyasu, actually ordered his own son to commit 'seppuku' as a demonstration of loyalty to 'Nobunaga.'

@chantedouglas2527 Ай бұрын

Thank you guys for always bringing critical thinking and intelligence to these reactions…a lot of channels on here are annoying to watch because of a certain character dies they crap on the show….clearly people didn’t watch GOT cuz it’s always a method to the madness….very emotional episode and I’m not ready to say good bye to this show ❤

@user-xj3ve7wt8k Ай бұрын

Loyalty. Bushido.

@Skip-Kilat Ай бұрын

bushido as a concrete concept did not exist during this particular time in history. yet.

@user-xj3ve7wt8k Ай бұрын

@@Skip-Kilat I know. Not far from this ( tv show ) era.

@ChaoThing Ай бұрын

This is very awesome, thank you gentlemen, I am also getting rekt by this show.

@lakerspackers11 Ай бұрын

Are we to assume there is a spy in Toranaga’s ranks?? Is that who this sacrificial demonstration is meant to convince? I don’t understand why Toranaga states it was meant to sway Yabushige to turn on him, when at the end of the episode, he has Mariko inform Yabushige of his plans anyway!!! If he fills Yabushige in on the secret plan, then why go thru the ruse in the first place? For a spy ?? And if it’s for a spy, then why state to Mariko it’s for Yabushige? lol. Just confused on that part

@Wasthere73 Ай бұрын

In those days of politics, assume there always is a spy. Toranaga would know better than anyone else the risks of spies, since he seems to be a master of intrigue himself

@benwarwick4290 Ай бұрын

as far as i understood. Toranga needs everyone to believe he's given up, sick and unable and in morning. they need to see his allies given up hope. as there all well known for being hot-headed. hence the wearing armour at the funeral and dude from the first ep. once word spreads that his followers have given up hope, it help sells the illusion. whatever his plan is, doing this to your friends and family is the quickest way to get backstabbed! so no idea what his 7D chess move. all its's seam to done is derail a lot of people from this story!

@momorgan9793 Ай бұрын

hahahahah did I not mention in the episode with the 8 folds in the gate at the whore house, that they take pouring tea as an art form. And the way they write is considered an art form. These people go to school 6 days a week.

@kuzurac Ай бұрын

今なら岡本喜八のEAST MEETS WESTはアメリカでも受け入れられるかも。幕末の時代アメリカに密命帯びて渡った侍の物語。真田広之が銃に対して刀で戦うアクションを見せてる

@user-kv3rz7wd1k Ай бұрын

昔イーストミーツウエスト観ました。すごく珍しいタイプの映画で好きでした。その頃から真田さんはハリウッドで孤軍奮闘されていたのでしょうね。

@maikel3572 Ай бұрын

At around episode 5 I started to question Toronaga’s decisions. He’s like his birds soaring all alone high in the sky. This man has trust issues and I can understand that because in the end we are all alone. But your son is dead, your best friend is dead, who will this victory be for when everyone around you is dead? Who will you celebrate this victory with? Lord Hiromatsu was your right hand man and most loyal how could you let him go out like that!?

@sinbun. Ай бұрын

Toranaga is lonely. He lost his son, lost his loyal retainer and old friend Hiromatsu, and still he has to achieve it. It is to protect the motherland from foreign enemies who are planning to divide and rule Japan. That's why he has to be heartless.

@JoeRandoms Ай бұрын

this shit wild

@Drifter101z Ай бұрын

Grandpa died to stick with the Plan. . . In the Old times maybe that's something Else. . .In Modern day. . . Hell No.

@user-gg6bn4vx2l 11 күн бұрын

Hey my friend don't you think about doing Shogun reaction?

@lemiergnalag8310 Ай бұрын

😎👍❕️ The ABC's of Life = the deeper the abyss, the greater the love/respect/loyalty... Samurai means to serve... both Lord Hiro-matsu (,general) and Wejiro (retired Samurai, gardner), reflect true Samurai spiri... Chess is easy to learn, but a lifetime to master... ~Chess saying #KatanasAndKimonosRock

@user-tx6xc4om6n Ай бұрын

この2人は俳優さんなの？

@DisingenuousComment Ай бұрын

どんな質問？どうしてそうなるのか違うと思うけど

@user-tx6xc4om6n Ай бұрын

@@DisingenuousComment 俳優かもしれないじゃないか。質問しちゃいけないのか？　他人のコメントにいちゃもん付けて楽しいか？いい人生だな。羨ましいヨ。

@DisingenuousComment Ай бұрын

@@user-tx6xc4om6n ごめんなさい

@user-tx6xc4om6n Ай бұрын

@@DisingenuousComment 解ればいいさ。会議でも、飲み会でも、ポジティブな発言で行こうぜ。

@SCharlesDennicon Ай бұрын

The audio of the episode you're reacting to is AWFULLY bad... is it for copyright reasons?

@Syntell Ай бұрын

Yes, we take the music out of the episode and remove other parts of the audio in order to respect copyright restrictions.

@overthewebb Ай бұрын

Anjin for all his stupid, was ok He wasn't some amazing chess player

@AbhishekOverall Ай бұрын

Syntell your reaction is kind of professional but i don't know what but jaby's channel not him I'm saying, but either he uses better tools or whatever, his studio has a vibe.. and whenever i see you guys without that studio, on your channels, even after removing any predoubts, you guys don't give that vibe.. and sorry but your guest doesn't even look professional. I don't believe I'm aaying it like it's a profession, bht isn't it now? Atleast for you guys.. So yes I found your channel today, & subscribing you, but I'm not sure to watch this quality videos.. sorry but maybe it's a needed feedback

@Syntell Ай бұрын

We certainly appreciate the feedback. We are constantly striving to get better and we are diligently making moves to imporove the quality on all fronts. These things take time but our viewers enjoyment is of the utmost importance.

@roninsct7017 Ай бұрын

Sanada and the actor who plays Hiromatsu have a personal and movie history going back decades where they have a father-son/ mentor relationship. The actor was deliberately picked just for that scene alone.

@ainsleyperry5192 Ай бұрын

Syntell. Lad's, There is so much story still to pack into just 2 more episodes, that a 12 part series might have been the better option. Cheers, Chris Perry.

@SutekhDaSteemroller Ай бұрын

Theyll probably do an extended final episode