Remember, good pitching usually neutralizes good hitting. Shohei neutralizes hitters and pitchers simultaneously.

@@archie15900 yeah and shohei still manages to hit 34hr with .276 battering average, insane

It’s crazy how so many in the media, even many of the experts, and most of Judge’s fan just become dumb because they wanted Judge to be MVP so badly or it will be the end of the world. Even an idiot new to baseball knows that the pitcher is by far the most important position in baseball. Not only is a pitcher the most important but it is also the most difficult as well. Degrom gets $34 million dollars this year just to pitch while Judge gets $19 million dollars. I think that should say something about how important and valuable a good pitcher is...and Ohtani even outperformed Degrom this year.

According to you Shohei is still MVP if he is against a batter that hits a home run every at bat

I'm sorry but Judge is the MVP this year. I'm Japanese and I support Judge.

@@user-et5yl9gz7l Japanese ppl don’t write in English. And Japanese ppl don’t care what Americans think. You is just another fake ass. Stop pretending

@@user-et5yl9gz7lGreat, I’m white and I support Judge for MVP lol

@@nomadicsporadic5394 hahahhaha

MVP, but he needs a few more years of this to be the greatest athlete of all time. Certainly one of the best already.

No, sorry, not even close. This year, the best player on the planet is Aaron Judge. As far as human history, call us when Ohtani reaches a lifetime batting average of .342, a lifetime ERA of 2.12, hits 50+ home runs in multiple seasons (in a dead ball era), and leads not one but two different teams to multiple World Series titles.

@Mr. Melendez Of all time? He's not even no.1 in basketball my dude, MJ exists. And he's not head and shoulders above his fellow greats the way ShoTime is (considering he has none). . .

@@derkardinal9781 call me again with that when Aaron Jugde sets a record thats never ever even been close to be set, until that time Shohei is the one to beat because he doesnt break records, that by the way Jugde hasnt even done yet, Shohei creates new records never seen before in the history of this game

And I don't think we've seen the best of Ohtani. I think he can up his game to another level. Hoping he stays healthy and dominates year in year out.

Even though he has hit about 30 less home runs than Judge, and is only batting in the mid 200s?

@@derkardinal9781 For me, yes. As I said before I understand the people who think Judge is more deserved the MVP. However breaking the HR record will be happening again in the future in my opinion, the performance like Shohei has done this season will be never seen again in my life I assumed. Anyway I think Judge is so exceptional and Shohei is so unreal. That's what I wanted to say man.

Perfectly said

I agree, just in the last 20 years there's been 18 players who hit 50 to 60 home runs, 4 years ago Stanton hit 59, and next year there's gonna be another player that's gonna hit a bunch of home runs and they'll say he's the best, but it's been over 100 years since a player dominate pitching & hitting at the same time, a player on pace for 38 HRs & 16 Wins should be the unanimous MVP

Oh btw Ohtani is already a record holder in multiple categories. He broke 3 different records just in this season. Meanwhile judge still looking for 😊his 62 hr record and that record is not even mlb record it’s just a yankees record lol 😂

Yes yes yes

So true. It's a case of having no one in history to compare Ohtani to, including Babe Ruth. (See the Colin Cowherd commentary about that comparison, which he did brilliantly last year.) I respect Judge and acknowledge his HR and slugging stats are all very impressive. But to me there's no equivalency when talking about Ohtani. Shohei is not doing as much in slugging this year compared to last year, but it's relatively close overall, and so it's the pitching that has really improved this year. This is unique, historic and unmatched by anyone. What Judge is doing is more limited, in my view, and has more historical parallels that reduce the impact. I like Judge as a person, too--great guy. But anyone who understands baseball must see that Ohtani is a spectacular and rare cat that we need to just sit and appreciate. When Judge can pitch at an elite level, I'll give him the MVP. Yankee fans can go crazy if they want, but that's just playing home team fan without perspective.

It's called the MVP

Close lmao OHTANI MVP EASILY

@@jrojas1807 Go bet on him and against Judge's -20000 odds

😂😂

Very odd.

that was a low blow. can't believe he said that out of jest.

You’re basically saying that one strikeout is equal to one home. Do you realize how dumb the sounds

@@sir_splaxxy6696 one strikeout equals one home run? If thats the case he has 213 more home runs. Whataatataat

@@rittlethrone That is not possible. For example, if every 10 strikeouts equals 1 home run, Otani's home runs would add up to +21.

@@sir_splaxxy6696 I didn't say that 1 strikeout equals 1 home run. You are expanding on that. If, for example, 10 strikeouts and 1 home run were equivalent, the home run differential between Otani and Judge would shrink by a few runs. Wouldn't 10 strikeouts and 1 homer be balanced?

Furthermore, one win for a pitcher is equivalent to 2.5 home runs. Therefore, Otani's 15 wins are equivalent to 37.5 home runs.

Which part of what Shohei is doing will no one ever do? Hit in the mid 200s?

@@derkardinal9781 The hitting and pitching like an All-Star simultaneously in the same season. Answer this question and don't dodge, who else can do what Ohtani does in the MLB? Many have done what Judge is doing. Sosa, Bonds and McGwire all have done it in early 2000s. And the league started testing for steroids, HR numbers went down. Now, this is the first time in 20 years MLB stopped testing for steroids due to the lockout, all of a sudden someone hits 60+ HRs. Some skepticism and common sense is in order.

@@derkardinal9781 speechless

@@coreyydeez3621 No, it's simply not worth a reply. The argument is based on artificially combining stats. Ohtani didn't lead even the AL in a single statistical category this year, has yet to win the Cy Young, and was not impactful enough to help his team have a winning season, much less get to the playoffs. And, oh, btw, he's back home watching the playoffs right now, and therefore no longer relevant for discussion this season.

@@derkardinal9781 name one player that has done what shohei has done i’ll wait.

96 arod

How will it be the best year when he isn't leading in a single statistical category in the AL, much less MLB, and isn't helping his team even have a winning record? There are plenty of pitchers this year with better ERAs, more wins, and so forth, and he's 40th in the AL in batting. A good pitcher who can hit with some power, but he doesn't deserve to me in the MVP conversation this year.

@Der Kardinal Dude’s currently got 9.8 WAR and still has another start left to go.

@@derkardinal9781 lay off the drugs moron!!!😀

@@derkardinal9781 It's almost like it's a team sport or something

Or Mets

Or Astros

Shohei has also came clutch in a lot of the angels victories also that won the game with his bat. Judge hasn't won a game by himself hardly at all. Most of his HR's are already when the game is out of reach and has no significant impact on the game.

@@followthewhiterabbit8561 That is true, I did a spreadsheet and without judge, it's only 15 wins that judge have given Yankees. Take out Judge and yankee's would still be where they are at. And that's because I gave Judge's "R" as well even though his team batted him in, but if you take out the "R" then cut that 15 wins by half or more, whereas ohtani won 15 games pitching in a shitty ass team and he very well deserved those 15 wins + all the clutch moments!

Exactly he is doing a 2 player role and history breaking at thatcan't get anymore valuable than that 🤷‍♂️

62HRs>>>two way

Nope he deserves MVP every year and then when you hguys come up with a trophy for him he will take that too while still collecting MVPs on the side

@@dougphamtexas2707 ok. Give him #1 trophy and #2 trophy.

ayo Ohtani award?? for two way players.

just like cy young for pitchers

but I guess they could only do that for when he retires which is still a long way.

J Rojas would pick Ohtani over a hitter who hits a home run every at bat

That's really an inflation of Ohtani's performance (he doesn't lead in a single statistical category this year, and hasn't helped his team have a winning record) and a disrespect to Aaron Judge's unbelievable season. There's no comparison this year. Ohtani does not belong in the conversation.

@@derkardinal9781 I would vote for Judge if it were me as well. But to say that Ohtani isn’t even in the conversation is ridiculous. There’s only 2 options . Then 2. He and Judge are the conversation

@@_DD2024 don't mind commenting on this clueless troll😀

@@_DD2024 Sorry, but the only reason Ohtani is in the conversation is because he both pitches and hits, and because he seems to have a significant fan club (most of whom have only seen him in KZfaq clips). Justin Verlander has 17 wins and a 1.80 ERA, and is helping his team get to the playoffs. Yet he's not mentioned at all, while ceaseless hyping of Ohtani, who is not leading in a single AL statistical category and hasn't made the kind of impact that helps a team get to the playoffs, takes place.

@@derkardinal9781 Dude your comments place you don't belong to any conversation in mlb.

2022

2022 a lot upgrade on pitching performance.

2022 most definitely. pitching (defense) wins games in the long run😀

2022 for sure. His pitching this year is way better than last year.

👍👍2022

Isn’t that what Ohtani is doing right now?

Ohtani is literally doing that. Nobody else has gotten close to 15 wins and 34 home runs. Nobody else has ever been top 4 in ERA+ and OPS+.

it where Disneyland is!!😀

The MVP doesn't deserve someone who isn't leading the AL in a single statistical category and who is batting in the mid 200s? 🙂

@@derkardinal9781 He's leading the league in Ks per 9inning; top 3 in ERA, wins, SO. As a hitter 30+ hrs, 90+ RBIs, and .270 BA. Look up the definition of a two-way player. Judge has much much more support from his team than Ohtani from his. Judge will win because he's a Yankee and the game's love of the long ball. Stop hating and get your stats correctly.

​@@cosmocamron7732 Judge has been decisive in getting his team into the playoffs. Ohtani has not.

@@derkardinal9781 I’d expect them to be in the playoffs after spending 250 million on the team salary

@@derkardinal9781 i see u dont watch baseball. Yankees have the worst record in baseball since the all star. is that what you considered carrying a team?

That's not a point.

Ohtani haters be nitpicking everything these days😂 Judge currently does have the edge but to say Ohtani isn’t close just proves how obsessed you are on hating him😂

@@babycho9 Of course it is. It's more than a mere point, it includes data.

Ohtani would be MVP if not for Judge Der Kardinal

@@derekwang7330 Sorry, but no.