What was the point of this video? To show sideways footage of other videos and not even talk about the 2 projectors at all?
@nebtheweb8885 Жыл бұрын
to sell epson. He said virtually nothing about the Sony near the end of the video, Just how great Epson is, yada yada yada.
@kenpoS2K2 жыл бұрын
Most of the content from this channel is great. This was not one of those videos. I was excited to see a real comparison. In my opinion this really wasn’t a comparison and didn’t tell us anything.
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
If you want the “complete unbiased” explanation, see: Stop The FOMO’s unedited MWAVE Projector Shootout which just occurred a few days ago. The true comparison between these two projectors specifically is right at the beginning. Both Sony and Epson are having difficulties with “very dark scenes” such as in the movie: 1917. Sony sometimes goes dark completely so you can’t see critical detail; while the Epson 12000 turns black to an odd shade of “blue” in some of those scenes: Flits back and forth. Both situations are rather annoying and rather surprising. Meanwhile, see for yourself, there is no editing in the FOMO footage. (Dreammedia mention via an MWAVE announcer in highly edited footage BUT Dreammedia neglect to mention that its the Epson that suffers from the “blue” hue issue.) Suffice to say both Sony and Epson still have some work to do regarding the use of laser as a light source. First generation teething problems, I guess?!
@percybedford62662 жыл бұрын
@@marvinabugov4579 I think with better calibration and firmware updates both projectors will look better.
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
@@percybedford6266 Agreed! That assumes sony, in particular, will do it?! At the MWave shootout they did say they were only using “default settings”. That would imply there was room for improvement, BUT I heard from the expert commentator that base black levels can’t be changed by calibration. It would have to be done then by a sony firmware update. I currently have a sony 285es 4K projector, so what sony does matters to me if I am going to do an upgrade/replacement. I’m sitting on my cash until this issue gets sorted. JVC is of course an option, but they are too big, too heavy, and run too loud for my particular shelf installation.
@percybedford62662 жыл бұрын
@@marvinabugov4579 I saw Flomo's short vid on the projector shootout and I made that same comment. Some one from Sony replied and he said he didn't have enough time to dial it, but he said to expect better results from the next convention coming up. I saw another vid that recently dropped on the 5000es and the HDR looked good in that vid. The blacks looked really good. The review is on Gordon Liang's channel. I think the 5000es is the best bang for the buck.
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
@@percybedford6266 I saw Laing’s vid as well. Meanwhile, I am waiting to see what comes from the Value electronics shootout in October. Those guys know how to do a “shootout” -- properly! MWAVE had a good “beginning” but not how Value Electronics does it - yet. The Sony commentator noted in a comment, that I heard, is that it is not just “black” but the “tone-mapping” of “base-black” (he implied sony - in order to better compete with JVC who seem to have got that issue dialed-in perfectly - need to do some tweaking in its firmware. Meanwhile, JVC needs to tweak its brightness because its “‘white tone-mapping” washes colours out at the opposite end of the spectrum. I am waiting to see before I open my wallet. I jumped too soon the last time when shortly after launching the 285es, Sony launched the 295es - that was significantly better.
@KSULynch2 жыл бұрын
So what’s the conclusion from the comparison? Was hoping to hear feedback for Native 4K vs. pixel shifting. Is the Sony really worth the price difference? Hope there is a long form video coming with these two being compared.
@aburner230 Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how little content is in this video
@israelverchik77172 жыл бұрын
A 4m:13s waste of time!
@johnh.24052 жыл бұрын
Useless
@hockeyman2274 Жыл бұрын
That's 4 minutes I can't get back
@andysummersthxcinemaandmyc77482 жыл бұрын
left projector had image flicking . right projector no image flicking . have you figured it out ?
@nebtheweb8885 Жыл бұрын
That is the camera. The nearest to the camera will exhibit flickering. You cannot see that in person.
@jonathanmepham95689 ай бұрын
laser vs bulb
@sammysavvakis6334 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a brutal review absolute no information was really given or comparison was done accurately disappointing guys😢
@thebrakman Жыл бұрын
useless.. You are showing a room looking at the 2 projectors images and get no comparison. Come on...
@jim5862 жыл бұрын
I actually wouldn’t buy any products from you because of this deceptively titled video.
@Dreamediaav2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry to hear that. What is deceptive about the title?
@jim5862 жыл бұрын
@@Dreamediaav I’m sorry. It’s my mistake. I’ve now seen your other video and read the title of this video correctly. Silly me.
@joshuaphillips39742 жыл бұрын
I have the LS12000 and straight out of the box I feel like my image is way better than what I saw in both this video and the 6 hour long MWAVE video. That's running it off of an AppleTV HD at 50% in Bright Cinema mode. I showed it to the family and friends on a cream colored wall and they were all blown away. I know your video wasn't hating on Epson but personally feel like other people in this hobby give too much hate to Epson.
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
Correct. Just stating a “fact” during the MWAVE shootout. Just looking for objectivity considering that whole video was publicly posted.
@ascendav2 жыл бұрын
Cameras are not perfect, especially in low light situations like this. There were many things that were seen or seen differently at the event than what was captured on camera.
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
@@ascendav Except the commentator made a point of mentioning the blue hue - in real time - several times! However, I accept your point, but a pixel shifter is not what I am in the market for.
@hockeyman22742 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks for the review. I'm building a house with a theater in it and was looking at the LS12000
@wakawaka123202 жыл бұрын
Sane woth me my epson ls12000 is gorgeous, blacks are pretty decent and aren't blue
@Renrondog Жыл бұрын
Excellent! We saw that there was a shootout . End of story................disappointed content, not up to your usual quality.
@shamimulhasan3287 Жыл бұрын
Contrary to your excellent reviews, this was not so good. No view from front.
@gary14882 ай бұрын
Hmmm did I miss something??? Saw no comparisons
@marvinabugov45792 жыл бұрын
Interesting how the presenter managed to “neglect” that during the shootout the Epson 12000 often turned base-black to “BLUE! The 5000 had issues with base-black too. Neither was perfect.
@ascendav2 жыл бұрын
The epson was blue due to a calibration issue where blue was pushed. This can be calibrated out.
@vernonbell9126 Жыл бұрын
WTF DID I JUST WAYCH !!!
@bgreenard2249 Жыл бұрын
What was the verdic?
@quakana8 ай бұрын
you never said who the winner was??!
@iShootFast Жыл бұрын
this told me...nothing.
@freeagentlifestyles2 жыл бұрын
Pointless video...SMH
@loucarta2845 Жыл бұрын
this video was pointless and none informative.... I believe your editor didnt add any context? seemed exciting but???
@nitromusik9275 Жыл бұрын
Well.. thx for wasting my time 🎉
@did3d5232 жыл бұрын
noone give is feeling?? pfff
@did3d5232 жыл бұрын
4K tocard!
@Tilten Жыл бұрын
Two excellent but pricey projectors. These guys seems to think the Sony is better for movies, but Epson is better allround and for gamers: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdRml7Gfp8mmiaM.html
@Jaiahk Жыл бұрын
This video was a huge let down. There was nothing helpful in this video for making a comparison.
@gdubyadubya8961 Жыл бұрын
What a pathetic video. Says nothing, shows nothing. Wint be subscribing to a company who click baits with no substance. Big thumbs down
@jimfenlon8121 Жыл бұрын
Didn't get the point of this video
@mitchellnino_ Жыл бұрын
Mad clickbait video!
@CheapQuickKitchenlessKeto Жыл бұрын
😂😂 what a pointless video
@VONDOOM882 ай бұрын
What a waste of time. So looking at these completely off axis the only thing i garnered from this is the comment over the pa that the epson has a bluish tint to the blacks. Other than that a worthless video
@johnsukkar6462 Жыл бұрын
There a lot of people that are in market to buy home cinema laser projector n majority have budget around 5k to spend n dream media knows that it be biggest market not everyone rich there biggest sales r these 2 projectors, they won’t sell both at high volume to please both company Sony n epson so I would take anything from them unless some release unbiased review with setting both projectors at best settings, his smile reminds cars salesman full of sh@#
@Dreamediaav Жыл бұрын
Sorry you don’t like our videos John. We noticed you have very negative comments every time. If you don’t like our videos please don’t watch them. We do our best to put out content for our fans which is a lot of work and really just want positivity around the home theater world and this channel. We hope you have a happy thanksgiving!
@johnsukkar6462 Жыл бұрын
@@Dreamediaav I’m sorry for harsh comments I was very rude, I will in future chose my words carefully n with respect no matter what my opinion, I let my frustration out I think we should calm down in life b4 u act I’m Sincerely Sorry, a lot of people made comments about your so calked comparison without giving opinion, like me when I saw title. Epsom vs Sony which mind u r going to be best selling projectors, finally average mum n dad can consider high end projector now as u know few yrs ago 4K laser projector from one biggest company’s like Sony n epson, unless like me yrs ago only one I can afford where UST laser projectors from China, most people don’t really understand or do the research won’t risk buying unknown brand from AliExpress or even Amazon they put there trust n brand names, so they rely on u guys with helpful information b4 they going commit thete hard earned money, I’m sorry but read all other comments they where disappointed, hoping they going get some idea which is best suited, I know each one pros n cons, but to make simple if u going for dark room for just movies Sony is choice but for gaming I would go with epson
@Dreamediaav Жыл бұрын
@@johnsukkar6462 thank you John. We had a few issues during this shoot. We had a new video producer that wasn’t as familiar with the products yet as he came from a different industry and Zak flew in to show support with only 2 hours available to shoot content but didn’t have enough time to spend at the event and give his full attention. We aim to please and will continue to produce better and better content for you guys. Thanks for the apology and again we hope you have a great thanksgiving with friends and family! 😁