SHORTS - WHY WE BOND (Neutral & Ground) Explained in 3 Minutes

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Electrician U

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3 жыл бұрын

Here's a short version of the video I did a while back on why we bond neutral and ground together at the service panel of a premises wiring system.
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@kl8295
@kl8295 3 жыл бұрын
These 3 minute videos are shockingly effective 👌🏽
@doctaotsu
@doctaotsu 3 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there
@Dustinwitha_d
@Dustinwitha_d 3 жыл бұрын
They amp me up
@zafarsyed6437
@zafarsyed6437 3 жыл бұрын
It's his energetic enthusiasm! They are educational and energizing
@joshuajones905
@joshuajones905 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. 3rd month apprentice here, and they are indispensable. These videos (and the shorts) have single-handedly given me an edge over any of the other apprentices in our shop.
@jetfu400
@jetfu400 Жыл бұрын
His animations are really spot on. Very easy to understand.
@z1522
@z1522 9 ай бұрын
Bringing GFCI into the conversation gets tricky; one of the big dangers in older circuits is that breakers are normally tripped only in short situations, where an abnormally large current suddenly flows, because the resistance of the device (bulb, motor, heater) is bypassed. The surge heats up the breaker, and it trips - eventually, before setting a place on fire. If a body comes between the load and the return neutral, resistance is added and you die, without the breaker heating to trip. GFCI breakers detect a difference in the two lines, and trip very fast if current in the neutral run is less than the hot wire, which would be a normal situation when a person becomes a path for current to go to ground.
@stringlarson1247
@stringlarson1247 7 ай бұрын
Yup. I often work on homes that are 100+ yrs old. I'm not an 'electrician' , but have a EE degree. This stuff is SO hard to explain to homeowners, etc. Many/most of the older homes/buildings only have 2 prong outlets, etc. Ironically, with all the non-metalic things we use today have almost zero chance of having hot side shorting to anything conductive. (N.B. I didn't say never or always, rather, things are trending that way)
@mduralia
@mduralia 7 ай бұрын
To clarify a bit....short circuits create a swift rise in current that increases the magnetic field around the circuit. Overloads gradually increase the current correlating to a rise in temperature. Hence the modern Thermal-Magnetic Breaker: Thermal for overload trip; Magnetic for fault/short circuit trips. GFCI breakers are one way to add additional protection to older wiring systems without a ground wire as you described. Unfortunately, since the GFCI is designed to detect low level imbalance currents in the 5mA range, this can create nuisance tripping for some loads. In these cases, a ground wire must installed in conjunction with a thermal-magnetic breaker for proper operation of the load while providing adequate circuit protection.
@ablemagawitch
@ablemagawitch 7 ай бұрын
thanks you save me lot of typing. The reason why you want the ground is so that lose wire touching that metal housing current goes somewhere and that trips the breaker(or fuse) instead of laying there like snake waiting to bite you.
@jacobsamson257
@jacobsamson257 6 ай бұрын
This is shocking im really jolted reading this
@hobbesip1
@hobbesip1 6 ай бұрын
​​@@mduraliawell said. A GFCI will detect the "missing" ~5mA that is not flowing from hot to neutral; the likely leak is a fault is a hot fault to ground, thus unmetered by the GFCI and explaining that acronym. However, a ground must be attached to a GFCI outlet to provide a fault path to attached grounded devices. And it must be backed by a traditional over-current breaker (or arc-fault breaker if code dictates).
@WApnj
@WApnj Жыл бұрын
The graphic animation is great. Much better than your usual 'draw over the screen' presentations.
@josephshaff5194
@josephshaff5194 7 ай бұрын
One of the more difficult thing for me to understand as a Drafter has been the difference between Neutral and Ground. I've never had it explained really well. Thanks that helps alot.
@alanbumbai
@alanbumbai 7 ай бұрын
neutral is meant to have current under normal conditions, ground would only have current under abnormal conditions (safety).
@thepitpatrol
@thepitpatrol 4 ай бұрын
​@alanbumbai thank you sir!!!!
@MrAdamNTProtester
@MrAdamNTProtester 15 күн бұрын
To fully understand the nature of a NEUTRAL RETURN as distinguished from a GROUND to EARTH you need to examine the difference between the TRANSMISSION & DISTRIBUTION of POWER. If you look at the THREE PHASE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM in Wave Form then you will notice that at any given moment t(x) the SUM of the current in the three phases always = ZERO... that is a balanced system... arising from stepping up V to max & dropping Amps down to min for transmission with as close to zero magnitude of resistance as possible in order to travel a great distance without any loss of power thru impedance in the conductor [&/or environmental conditions affecting the capacity of the conductor viz developing impedance]... power of course once generated always remains the same [P = V x A]... once you get to the house(s) and the power needs to do work then you TRANSFORM the power from High V Low A to HIGH A Lower V so devices can do work & hence LOADING OCCURS... and since LOADING can never in a practical sense be balanced at ANY GIVEN MOMENT t(x) you have an imbalanced system & there MUST be somewhere for that imbalanced current to go in order for the circuit to be completed back to source... so in order to save needless expense over LONG DISTANCES in TRANSMISSION where you have HIGH V & LOW A in a totally BALANCED SYSTEM there is NO NEED for the NEUTRAL CONDUCTOR to exist... think about the cost of each conductor over say 10 miles from generation to distribution... that is a lot of conductor you are NOT installing! THAT is the necessity of the NEUTRAL RETURN... to carry the imbalanced current BACK TO THE SOURCE... so to keep it simple: 1. The GROUND EXISTS to divert any unanticipated current in a device/shroud etc away from the hazard as much as possible so that the GROUND SYSTEM will be the BEST path to ground rather than a person standing there touching something that has the unanticipated current AND the NEUTRAL EXISTS to ensure that there is a PATHWAY BACK TO THE SOURCE for the current to travel completing the circuit & allowing the hazard to be defected in the overload/short device so it can function & trip... The REASON for BONDING the two NEUTRAL & GROUND at the 1st point of disconnect as the vid addresses is to ensure that the above is satisfied... however that is NOT the sole reason for the BONDING bcuz there is also the scenario where PRIOR to service entry the NEUTRAL or GROUND is disconnected... in which case you may have the dangerous result of a floating NEUTRAL... by BONDING the NEUTRAL RETURN & GROUND at the 1st point of disconnect it ensures that such a disconnect PRIOR to service entry will allow again the circuit to function with all safety measure in place & able to detect the hazard... so this comment with the yt channel creator's video should be the full explanation of the necessity of BOTH a NEUTRAL RETURN & GROUND SYSTEM in any unbalanced system > ANY SYSTEM that has LOADING at any given moment t(x) practically speaking will NEVER have the current sum = zero & MUST therefore have the presence of a NEUTRAL RETURN to source for that less than but still van be significant current. Next you should study the PRACTICAL aspects of OPEN NEUTRAL/ "Floating" Neutrals and see the scenarios where the NEUTRAL RETURN is turned into a full on CONDUCTOR... hence carrying sometimes twice or more current than any one circuit was designed to carry via the installation, this happens when a COMMON NEUTRAL RETURN is utilized on different circuits & when the pigtails are removed the NEUTRAL AND THE PERSON can act like a part of a DBL or greater CIRCUIT... a very dangerous situ that home owners are almost 100% unaware of since they never do diagnostics & simply look at the color of the insulation as the sole evidentiary basis for their "circuit analysis" when they decide they want to DIY... this may be how the game "operation" was invented... you touch the metal & BOZO's NOSE LIGHTS UP & a BUZZER sounds! I hope this comment helped you on your journey to fully understanding the difference between & necessity of the NEUTRAL RETURN vs the GROUDING SYSTEM in distribution networks.
@irwinjimenez
@irwinjimenez 7 ай бұрын
The animation is fantastic. These types of quick videos w/animation are perfect for teaching the greenies/newbies some of the basics. Can you do one for 3/4-way sitches? Relays & contactors? Timers? Timing relays, etc?
@jimuhelski1260
@jimuhelski1260 7 ай бұрын
This is an extremely effective presentation. I appreciate your effort in putting this together.
@matthewmarcucci2391
@matthewmarcucci2391 3 жыл бұрын
Literally thank you, easily simplified for in my opinion almost everyone!
@captzoom1778
@captzoom1778 6 ай бұрын
Thank you all these years nobody's ever explained it so easily and simply like you just did I really appreciate it now I completely understand it and I can explain it to someone else thank you
@zafarsyed6437
@zafarsyed6437 3 жыл бұрын
These shorts are educational and energizing!
@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996
@dnznznfjsnsnsms9996 3 жыл бұрын
For once, someone made this make perfect sense. You are a saint of the electrical world
@wisamrabeea4026
@wisamrabeea4026 9 ай бұрын
One of the best explanation. Believe or not I been many months try to understand the bonding. Thank you so much
@chriswalker1073
@chriswalker1073 6 ай бұрын
Awesome video. So nice when someone can explain something clearly and concisely in such a short time. Good work
@NightWear21
@NightWear21 Жыл бұрын
extremely helpful video. Thank you, keep pushing great materials! Appreciate it!
@jobaecker9752
@jobaecker9752 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Terrific explanation and excellent graphics!
@timrobertsincanada
@timrobertsincanada 7 ай бұрын
That was an excellent animation. Kudos to your animator
@mikea7174
@mikea7174 6 ай бұрын
He makes these explanations seem effortless. Thanks bro!! 👊🏼 😊
@MegaaaPorky10
@MegaaaPorky10 2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel. Keep it up bro these videos are quick but very informative. Love it!
@MiguelRamirez-ik7bs
@MiguelRamirez-ik7bs 3 жыл бұрын
As always Mr Dustin I've been following your channel for a little while now and man I got to tell you I have learned so much from your videos than the 4 year apprenticeship. you do a great job amazing explanation and obviously I love your animation thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and investing your time in US
@gencoupe9680
@gencoupe9680 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome quick videos- I like it right to the point!
@charleyfloyd3317
@charleyfloyd3317 3 жыл бұрын
Been preaching the same message to my continuing education students for years. It's surprising how many electricians have trouble with the concept.
@seprishere
@seprishere Жыл бұрын
Mostly because this is DANGEROUS practice and should not be followed (if you did it in the UK you would be prosected under Regulation 8(4) of the Electricity Safety, Quality and Continuity Regulations 2002). What you should do, in cases where the earth loop impedance is insufficient to reliably operate a circuit breaker, is provide an RCD/GFCI for fault protection (in addition to any RCDs/GFCIs provided for additional protection). The danger, particularly on an overhead supply, is that the neutral (which is also therefore your earth) breaks and the line conductors do not. This is a particular issue for things like electric vehicle charging where an equipotential zone cannot be maintained (as you are in contact with the real earth). It is true that distribution network operators, in the spirit of cheapness, do typically provide such a bond in the cutout rather than maintaining a solid link all the way to the transformer/origin. This still risks the same dangers but is at least a controlled environment.
@bmacdoug
@bmacdoug 8 ай бұрын
I agree with most of what you said. The reason there are grounds at all is to ensure that a fault, as your animation showed very clearly, causes a high current to flow in the circuit, tripping the breaker and de-energizing the circuit. If there were no grounding, it would be possible for the light fixture to remain energized at 120 Volts due to a fault, waiting for someone to touch it, make a connection to ground through their body, and be electrocuted. Adding a grounding conductor to the metal parts of the fixture (green or uninsulated wire, and with the other end connected to the earth) ensures that there is no possibility that the fixture is at any voltage other than zero, compared to earth. However, using a stake in the ground to ensure an earth connection relies upon the earth's conductivity, how wet the earth is, how far the ground point is from the utility earth conductor, etc. and so there are too many ways for this not to work. As you note, connecting the grounding conductor to the grounded neutral wire from the utility ensures that this path has almost zero resistance back to the utility. The effect is that when a fault occurs, a very large current flows momentarily through the fixture, then the grounding wire, and back to the neutral. This ensures that the breaker trips immediately, clearing the fault in a few milliseconds.
@marcuswareham1
@marcuswareham1 8 ай бұрын
If you didn't reference your electrical system to ground/earth , so had no connection between physical ground and neutral, then you would not get a shock touching a faulty light energized to 120V, as you will not be completing the circuit as the electrical system is not referenced to the physical ground anywhere (including not being tied to ground at the transformer). This is a typical setup for small generators, the trouble with this setup is, although a lot of people might say why don't we do that as we eliminate the shock risk from touching a hot wire while in contact with the ground, this is correct and for the first fault there will be no shock risk, but you would also be unaware of it and this fault would be fortuitously referencing the electrical system to ground, therefore any additional faults will present a shock risk despite the fact you thought you were protected by them, referencing the neutral to ground ensures electrical faults act in a predictable way.
@kd9856
@kd9856 4 ай бұрын
Yep couldn't have put it better
@drwombat
@drwombat 4 ай бұрын
If bonding to neutral is done solely to provide a path back to utility why wouldn't we just bond it to black in this scenario?
@smokeybobca
@smokeybobca 3 ай бұрын
Yes. I don't understand how these videos that have only partially correct information get all these amazing comments from people. I can only give one like to your comment but I hope it somehow gets more prominence.
@kyle6094
@kyle6094 2 ай бұрын
@@marcuswareham1 is this also why a system supplied by a delta-wound transformer is tolerant of a single ground fault, but not two?
@cookinwithchris86
@cookinwithchris86 25 күн бұрын
This grounding n bonding video might be one of the best explanations with animation ... I feel like anyone who doesn't understand grounding and bonding would understand after this video
@ashokramchand6592
@ashokramchand6592 23 күн бұрын
Excellent explanation. Thank you for breaking it into simple terms
@jaredkilgore7194
@jaredkilgore7194 3 жыл бұрын
You have a talent for being able to convey methods and principles in a concise and simple way for people to understand at a beginning level. You said it right at the end referencing "current" and "flowing"; at the beginning you had said power and current "coming from" the transformer and "going to" a load, please stick the words "current" and "flow" together when describing a circuit, like you did at the end here. Great video bro! 👊
@Loonypapa
@Loonypapa 11 ай бұрын
But remember that AC current doesn't flow like water in a hose, from the transformer, into the house, and all the way back again. AC current moves electrons back and forth a short distance in the wire, typically a small fraction of the diameter of a human blood cell, 60 times per second.
@ASR-BA
@ASR-BA 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful explanation !!!
@conrat2000
@conrat2000 7 ай бұрын
I love the animation. And great info. Awesome video.
@brianlfoster724
@brianlfoster724 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome explanation man thanks.
@fengdeng1982
@fengdeng1982 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, it is such an easy way to understanding the principle behind.
@jasonbrown467
@jasonbrown467 2 жыл бұрын
Best video I have seen on the topic
@brucegezon
@brucegezon 3 жыл бұрын
Great info!
@willkincaid5841
@willkincaid5841 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely great video and explanation. I've worked in the electronical trade on and off for years now. It would be cool to see the same sort of illustration but with a sub panel as well. Keep up the awesome work man.
@emmgeevideo
@emmgeevideo 9 ай бұрын
Damn! I've never, ever understood this. Now I do. It was so clear. THANK YOU. BTW, the graphics are clever. I'm coming back for more if your content is this good.
@gregmaggielipscomb9246
@gregmaggielipscomb9246 5 ай бұрын
Excellent job of teaching this subject, T/Y!
@Daniel-lf2no
@Daniel-lf2no 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome video.
@jdyoungman6380
@jdyoungman6380 2 жыл бұрын
thank you I've been learning a lot from your video's
@abdullahalahmadi695
@abdullahalahmadi695 Жыл бұрын
the rule appears to be that you should never connect ground to neutral anywhere else than at the main panel. The reason for that (from countless individuals/websites online) is that once you do that, you would be a using a device's ground and neutral returns in parallel, and once the ground in a system is energized, this effectively energizes all other objects connected to ground in the system. But given that ground and neutral are already connected together at the main panel, doesn't that do exactly what is meant to be prevented with this rule? Once you have conductors (ground/neutral wires) at equal potential somewhere in the system, how does connecting them elsewhere change their relative potential?
@azharalam8058
@azharalam8058 11 ай бұрын
Hii want to discuss for the same
@nevinkuser9892
@nevinkuser9892 9 ай бұрын
You ground it so that your computer case doesn't shock you when you touch it.
@marcuswareham1
@marcuswareham1 8 ай бұрын
@@jash21222How? one of the "neutrals" (ground) is not connected to a load/hot wire unless there is a fault so it will not be carrying any current, you could argue that the capacitive effect could cause a small current to flow, but this would normally be negligible
@rizgarn.311
@rizgarn.311 7 ай бұрын
When the current go's through the neutral and meet the ground at the sub panel it should not go to the ground because the circuit it's not closed between hot and neutral
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 7 ай бұрын
Copper wire is not a superconductor, IE it has resistance, when a substantial amount of current flows thru even a resistance as low as a few ohms substantial voltage can develop, this is why sub panels have the neutral and grounds separated
@David-uk1kb
@David-uk1kb 5 ай бұрын
Very well explained, Thanks
@davidlyons7238
@davidlyons7238 7 ай бұрын
Thanks I finally understand bonding. Well explained 👏
@jeffreystroman2811
@jeffreystroman2811 7 ай бұрын
No, you don't, find my comment
@oznetyoutube125
@oznetyoutube125 6 ай бұрын
Ah, Great Explanation, Sir... TY.
@woodlandburl6648
@woodlandburl6648 3 жыл бұрын
Very good !
@intheshell35ify
@intheshell35ify 8 ай бұрын
Love the angry breaker box and sarcastic sign!!!
@Annnnndbitcoinfixesthis
@Annnnndbitcoinfixesthis 5 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation
@dangerdoberman
@dangerdoberman 10 күн бұрын
The face on the electrical panel had me rolling HAHAHAA!
@electrolyticmaster8396
@electrolyticmaster8396 8 ай бұрын
Enjoyed your short video. :)
@charleskutrufis9612
@charleskutrufis9612 7 ай бұрын
Good job, thank you.
@brucemorrison8357
@brucemorrison8357 Ай бұрын
Thanks. I always wondered that.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy 3 жыл бұрын
Cute animation very helpful.
@alaalkhatib9090
@alaalkhatib9090 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the circuit is complete in case of the fault even without earthing the neutral, the image you used is for TT earthing scheme, and fault currents dissipated into the ground at the faulty load will correspond to currents being pulled up from the earthing point of the source, thus completing the circuit
@Krazykevin76
@Krazykevin76 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same. This isn't a bad video but I don't think it explains anything.
@bluestormcloud791
@bluestormcloud791 4 ай бұрын
No ground wire is needed to complete the circuit. Ground wire only provides another better path for the dangerous leak to get to ground, and hopefully trip the breaker through over current or gfci. Animation doesn't match the condition he is describing, "no ground".
@darrylm3627
@darrylm3627 6 ай бұрын
😄👍Good Stuff, Great Tips
@marcocisafrulli3623
@marcocisafrulli3623 8 ай бұрын
There are systems where the neutral is put to earth only into the distribution cabin. Therefore only the neutral of the transformer is put to earth. In case of faults, like the one you described in the video the GFCI comes into play.
@Daniel-rh5kf
@Daniel-rh5kf 8 ай бұрын
Very good explaination
@marcdich9066
@marcdich9066 3 жыл бұрын
i love these truth videos espeacially a cartoon electrical panel yanking the wire out of itself
@smiley3012
@smiley3012 7 ай бұрын
Really good video.
@dutchleussink156
@dutchleussink156 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You Sir 👍👍
@mcdradus
@mcdradus 3 жыл бұрын
damn, I'm getting wicked smart! thanks
@truthbebold4009
@truthbebold4009 3 жыл бұрын
I think the proper spelling would be 'wicked smaaht'
@rayvan23
@rayvan23 2 жыл бұрын
WOW. This vid finally got thru to me...so simple, why didn't others START off with this explanation and THEN get into expert level.
@robelmichael2962
@robelmichael2962 Жыл бұрын
In Norway, we are told that the reason we don’t mix earth with L or N is because we want to protect humans, pets or livestock from a potential current leakage, by connecting earth with the metal part of the component.
@salvatoreguiliano2429
@salvatoreguiliano2429 Жыл бұрын
Hello Dustin, please excuse me if my Question sounds stupid. I am a beginner and cant understand one thing. If the Load ( Neutral) sends the current back to the main panel, where we bound it together with grounds on the side buses, Does not that mean that we have current on these buses too? Thank you for your service to humanity Dustin, i will be surely one of your Apprentices as soon as possible, Great work , high powered passion, God bless you.🙏
@Royden58
@Royden58 7 ай бұрын
A great explanation
@joedillon159
@joedillon159 3 жыл бұрын
Smart young man!
@rpsmith
@rpsmith 3 жыл бұрын
Without the ground bonded to the neutral, we still have a path for the fault current to flow back to the transformer. It's through the ground rod, through the earth and over to the transformer's ground rod and ground rod wire. The problem is that path is a poor conductor and can not be relied on. That is why we bond the ground and neutral together at the main breaker panel.
@mr.g937
@mr.g937 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, the key phrase in all of this is "low impedance path" . Amperage is inverse of impedance per Ohms law and you want to jack up the amperage to trigger the overcurrent as quickly as possible
@felixmoran1
@felixmoran1 3 жыл бұрын
Do you never have an earth supplied to the property? In the UK, we can't take the earth off the nurtral ourselves, it has to be done by the distribution network (this is because of the unlikely buy very dangerous situation that could occur if the supply neutral is broken while being relied on for the earth, if the distribution network earth the supply neutral multiple times on its path then its ok) So we either have the distribution network supplying an earth from the neutral, the distribution network supplying a separate earth, usually from the sheeving of the supply cable, or no earth. Which is when we have to use a rod, we call this a TT system and we have to test it to ensure the impedence is low enough to meet disconnection times.
@rpsmith
@rpsmith 3 жыл бұрын
@@felixmoran1 - We have three wires coming in from the utility company. Two Hot wires and one Neutral/Ground wire. As for the house wiring, we only bond the Neutral and Ground together at the first breaker panel after the power meter. So the neutral wire only carries unbalanced 120 Volt loads. The only time we see current flowing in the ground wire is when we have a fault to ground and that normally trips the breaker of the circuit with the fault. As far as ground rods go, we have on or sometimes two at the home's breaker panel that has the neutral to ground bonded together and there is also a ground rod at the utility pole. I think all these ground rods are there for lightning protection.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
​@@felixmoran1PME does not make it safe, it just reduces risks. That is why EV chargers in the UK must to have PEN fault detection or be done as TT i.e. Just with a ground rod and no connection to the grounding of the house. (This is safe ss they are RCD protected and do not rely on high fault current)
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
@@felixmoran1 Older installations in the UK used TN-S where there was a separate earth and neutral all the way but modern ones are TN-C-S, also called PME where they are common. The difference to the US and some other countries is that the earthing is completely up to the provider so local earth rod is not mandatory. Yes PEN-fault is a problem and in the UK it is worse as it is grounded at one end and not at the center like in the US. There are 400 reported cases of PEN-fault in the UK annually.
@joe3276865536
@joe3276865536 7 ай бұрын
I guess a way to look at it is that we often think of a breaker being there to handle the case where there is an overload condition such as having to many devices plugged into a circuit. This will protect the hot and neutral wires as well as the receptacles and switches. However, by bonding neutral and ground at the panel, the very same breaker can serve a second purpose which is to protect the hot wire and switches and receptacles and HUMANs in the case of a ground fault.
@strykerentllc
@strykerentllc 2 жыл бұрын
Does the aforementioned only apply to ROMEX in residential wiring or does it apply to conduit residential wiring also? Have yet to see a green (ground) wire anywhere in a main panel with conduit residential wiring here.
@jerrybobteasdale
@jerrybobteasdale 7 ай бұрын
Good one.
@icevariable9600
@icevariable9600 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Question, if we bond N to G in the transformer, and not the main panel, doesn’t this bypass the breaker as well? Isn’t it better to bond in the main and not the transformer?
@julianossowski1435
@julianossowski1435 6 ай бұрын
I had an electrician fix the drop wire from the power pole to my house - it had a lose connection and was arcing. Active/neutral are on the drop and we have an earth spike bonded to the neutral bus bar. The electrician asked me to power up the kettle for a load and then did a split test. I was suprised that several amps were flowing into the ground spike. That apparently is normal, so no, its not just during fault conditions that the earth spike is driving current through the physical earth around your house. Neutral is bonded to another earth spike at the local transformer. This is a typical overhead pole supply in Sydney, Aus.
@lkevonly
@lkevonly 6 ай бұрын
This is very informative. What about sub panel? When do we bond and not bond?
@trevorkolmatycki4042
@trevorkolmatycki4042 5 ай бұрын
It is my understanding that new urban residential services have the grounds bonded to a ground connection comprised of either 1 or 2 ground rods. This does provide a ground path for ground fault current back to the utility transformer because the system neutral is grounded at every transformer. But by bonding the grounds to the neutral at the service panel a much lower resistance path to the transformer is established in addition to the ground path. So essentially you have dual pathways for fault current return via both the neutral conductor and the ground. Fault current will share both paths per the relative ratios of the resistance in each path so the vast majority of the fault current will return on the neutral. The nice thing about this is that it provides redundancy. If the incoming service neutral becomes damaged or severed, the service can still function and a ground fault can still clear via the ground path and the hot breakers should still operate so long as the ground connections are adequate. Unfortunately though, ground connections are higher resistance and they deteriorate over time. So it is best to rely primarily on the neutral conductor for fault return current and reserve the ground return to act only as a redundant backup additional path. The same philosophy applies in the distribution system but, the multi-grounded system neutral is even more important from a safety perspective because at higher distribution system voltages like 13.8kV and 25kV, hazardous step and touch potentials can develop on and around equipment when primary faults occur. The best way to minimize these hazardous potentials is to always ensure equipment and ground grids are bonded to the system neutral conductor and ensure that said neutral is sized adequately to conduct the entire maximum fault current possible at that location back to the substation.
@NickM-fm6uh
@NickM-fm6uh 3 жыл бұрын
Can you go over motor control?
@wdjmtonyd
@wdjmtonyd 2 ай бұрын
QUICK QUESTION ....I am building a micro grid using Enphase micro inverters at the panels to an Enphase3 combiner box to a Eaton 240v disconnect then into a 200 Amp GE panel with breakers...Is the GE panel considered the second point of disconnect and therefore the neutral and ground should be kept separate???..the system does include a 12kw 48v inverter a BMP2 controller and four Tesla battery modules and 7.5 kw worth of panels Peter In Hawaii p.s. as a 30 year plus General contractor I found your videos TOP SHELF!!!
@mt8956
@mt8956 Жыл бұрын
My generator came bonded and am connecting a 50 amp inlet box to the house breaker box. Is it fine to leave the generator bonded since I use it once or twice a year or should I make my generator a floating neutral.
@Superman-ed9rs
@Superman-ed9rs 6 ай бұрын
Does it make a difference if you ground and bond at the meter or if has to be in the main panel ?? Thanks
@joephu
@joephu Жыл бұрын
Cool. Can you explain why sub-panels or anything after the first point of disconnected is not bonded (ground and neutrals separated)?
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
Simply put nothing can be gained by connecting it. The whole point is to have a separate ground wire.
@tjmooney4181
@tjmooney4181 7 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@SamTravels
@SamTravels Жыл бұрын
Could you explain how it works in an RV or Boat?
@justincase7524
@justincase7524 2 жыл бұрын
I have some anecdotal experience and questions related to that, that are related to grounding and bonding. I once connected the neutral directly to a waterline that was under the sink out of curiosity to see if the circuit would work. And it did. But this video got me thinking, is it really true that it needs to go home through the neutral? Perhaps I thought it was going home through ground, but it might’ve just been going through the waterline back to the panel, and then completing the circuit that way. If I would have done the same experiment with just ground rods I think I will have a pain better results. But I am curious why the breaker doesn’t work in just reading the flow through the hot in either of the alternating current directions. It seems like the technology should be “smarter“ than that at this point. Lastly it sounds like the flow won’t go to ground like I thought it would, unless it’s bonded to the neutral and has somewhere “home“ to go. I always thought that earth was the ultimate home, but maybe I’m wrong.
@ElectricianU
@ElectricianU 2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of different paths it can take. It's going to take the path of least resistance.
@justincase7524
@justincase7524 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricianU I’m confused. Did you make the video? The video says it has to go back through the neutral To create a “loop”.
@Flowing23
@Flowing23 6 ай бұрын
@@ElectricianU why no bonding in SUB-panels Great video, practical explanation. Thank you.
@weldonpinder7295
@weldonpinder7295 11 ай бұрын
If I don't bond a ground rod to my main panel do I still need to tighten my bonding screw? If the ground wire from the subpanel is connected to the neutral bus to carry current back to the transformer then what's the reason to bond the neutral bus to the panel. Where I live we mainly have a ground rod to our meter and it's not bonded to the main panel
@SundryTalesOfConstance79WESTY
@SundryTalesOfConstance79WESTY 8 ай бұрын
Nooice! 😎 STOC
@Utubeasiangirls
@Utubeasiangirls 8 ай бұрын
a great explaination for a simpleton like me🧐
@joshuahardy5626
@joshuahardy5626 11 ай бұрын
Very cool video. I still don't understand why we're the only ones with a neutral. My suspicioun is that we have a neutral because we use two phase...
@ddaniels2901dd
@ddaniels2901dd 11 ай бұрын
We have a neutral to get 120 volts. Without it you just have 240 volts coming into your service and you will destroy and 120 volt loads because you're feeding it with 240 volts
@basedstickman1228
@basedstickman1228 3 жыл бұрын
Stay grounded brothers!
@Teenagegoogoomuk
@Teenagegoogoomuk Жыл бұрын
What you failed to mention and most importantly is that bonding the neutral brings it down to earth level (no potential) Old houses without grounds or bonds will shock the piss out of you when touching neutrals. Actual earth ground conductors are what we call equipment grounds and yes do supply a direct path to ground in the event of a short.
@davidtesar3489
@davidtesar3489 2 жыл бұрын
Question: How is it useful when you use residual current device?
@Hillman31
@Hillman31 Жыл бұрын
Can you ground at meter base and main panel? Yes? No? Does it matter?
@vassiliairton
@vassiliairton Жыл бұрын
If the line get connected to the ground would not create a high enough current to trip the break?
@claudineyesteves
@claudineyesteves 3 жыл бұрын
Which working glove do you recommend for electrician?
@garbo8962
@garbo8962 3 жыл бұрын
One that is equal or greater then the cal value of circuits that you will be working on. OSHA mandates that once you take them out of the sealed plastic bag must be tested by a company that specialises in it every 6 months. We were taught to test rubber gloves before each use by rolling up open end several wraps and listen/ check for any air leaks. We use to send out 16 pair of glives to be tested and think it cost around $20 a pair. We had spare 600 & 15,000 volt gloves to use while 1 set was out being tested. Work Safe & wear proper PPE.
@deddie4645
@deddie4645 7 ай бұрын
Nice
@tomhankstomhanks2579
@tomhankstomhanks2579 8 ай бұрын
So we use diode from ground cable to neutral to cought the electicty if there is any short sercuit or what?
@amaloney7234
@amaloney7234 7 ай бұрын
Where I operate my business in Northwest Arkansas most of the homes have only three wire connection between the panel and the meter. Then they drop a ground right at the meter and bond it there. And there is no ground rod, connection to the panel or ground from the panel to the meter to bond there. I’d love if you could addresses in a video sometime.
@Platerpus7
@Platerpus7 Жыл бұрын
I have an outlet box which has 3 circuits total in it. 1 for the outlets and serving as a junction box for 2 other circuits. Can I tie the grounds from all 3 circuits together? I know not to do this for the neutrals.
@mattwaters6987
@mattwaters6987 4 ай бұрын
I have an old 1982 truck camper. Is running a floating neutral generator a safety issue? Normally a pedestal is grounded when using shore power.
@wishiwsthr
@wishiwsthr 6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@BYENZER
@BYENZER 3 жыл бұрын
At main panel, since Neutral and Ground are bonded, some electron currents do take the ground path back to the utility. What is max percentage of total return current flow allowable before utility needs to fix their neutral? 1, 2, 5%?
@Rico702Vegas
@Rico702Vegas 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Very high resistance with the ground path, electrons don't go through a highly resistant path such as Earth when they have a straight shot back to the utility. That, and they are going the long way around, which makes your theory only that, a theory.
@persona250
@persona250 Жыл бұрын
@@Rico702Vegas Resistors in parallel . The electrons will flow through both resistances in proportion to the resistance .
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
​@@Rico702VegasElectricity takes all paths. The share that goes through the ground is very tiny.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
You should think it as a voltage loss. There is some voltage loss at the neutral. That is the voltage there is in the ground rod. I'm a well balanced system the current on the neutral is small so the voltage loss is also very small. In any case it can it ve many volts so the current on the ground is small. I'd guess 1% is the best of those.
@javiersanchez3530
@javiersanchez3530 2 жыл бұрын
Question. :It s correcto to have A separate ground rod to Main panel diferent from the one that goles to neutral in the first point to connection ? Les Say dedicated ground .
@MrKentaroMotoPI
@MrKentaroMotoPI 8 ай бұрын
I like the panel's face 😂
@christfollower1768
@christfollower1768 8 ай бұрын
I have a booster pump for an irrigation system. It is a 2 HP unit. I have 12/2 uf run from relay box to pump. I checked continuity all good. The dedicated circuit feeding the relay box was on a good functioning 20A standard breaker. When relay opened successfully after timer sent signal the panel breaker would trip within 3-5 seconds. I checked voltage at pump when relay opened it was 68 volts? I did same check at pump with 12/2 removed from pump it was 122 volts. The shaft on pump wasn't seized and the start capacitor tested fine. I then swapped the dedicated single pole 20A breaker to a 15A standard double pole and turned the voltage switch on the pump from 115v to 230v the timer sent signal to relay and pump ran perfectly with no issues. Question is why was voltage drop on the sp breaker at 68 volts was there just too much resistance at pump and it needed more power? At the 150' from pump, the pump manual calls for a #14 wire when running 230v but a #6 wire if running 115v at same distance. I guess I'm confused at why the voltage drop to 68v when connected to pump but 122 volts when disconnected from pump. I first thought just the distance but when disconnected at same distance a proper range reading? Perhaps the load from motor just dropped the reading from 122 to 68 ? Your professional opinion would be greatly appreciated Thanks for a great video . Btw both standard breakers were Siemens brand
@dabfabbrooks5340
@dabfabbrooks5340 3 жыл бұрын
I’m installing a radiant heat concrete floor in my garage/workshop. Hole slab sits on 2” of foam insulation. The concrete walls are grounded but the floor will not touch the walls because of the foam. Do you think I should ground the floor? Just thinking that every time I shut the lights off I’m going to discharge static that built up and give me an annoying little zap.
@dabfabbrooks5340
@dabfabbrooks5340 3 жыл бұрын
When I say ground the floor I mean just add grounding rod before I pore the floor
@Hunty49
@Hunty49 7 ай бұрын
Earth-Neutral connection is also used to make Neutral 0 volts. Otherwise you can have a floating voltage which affected how RCD's (Residual Current Device) work and may not trip under fault conditions..
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 5 ай бұрын
Neutral is grounded at the transformer in any case. Also I think you confused earth wire with the actual earth.
@Hunty49
@Hunty49 5 ай бұрын
@@okaro6595 Depending on how far away the the TX is, the cable resistance may create a voltage difference.
@ARTOFPATIENCE
@ARTOFPATIENCE 3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how dangerous it is drinking on this line of work?
@Rico702Vegas
@Rico702Vegas 3 жыл бұрын
Do you really need a video for that???
@voltampscircuits
@voltampscircuits 4 ай бұрын
Great explanation Justin. (I believe I got your name right)
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