Shou Sugi Ban Is A Waste Of Time

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Off Grid Solitude

Off Grid Solitude

17 күн бұрын

While it is a nice decorative finish, shou sugi ban isn't very useful as a preservative technique. Modern tools and coatings just make it obsolete.

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@tonysmith8779
@tonysmith8779 14 күн бұрын
In America it's mostly used for decoration not to preserve
@offgridsolitude
@offgridsolitude 14 күн бұрын
I think so too. I just wanted to make sure everybody is on the same page. :-)
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 13 күн бұрын
@@offgridsolitude Then if you don't "think so" why make a silly video that is full of misinformation and a false narrative on a subject you know little about?
@Grauenwolf
@Grauenwolf 13 күн бұрын
@@JayCWhiteCloud The video made it quite clear that he was talking about its use as a preservative, not as a decorate element.
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 күн бұрын
@@Grauenwolf And that is what is inaccurate...Charring methods, regardless of the wood culture it come from, has two primary functions. In order of significance is wood preservation and the other is decorative. It is both and has been for millennia. I see way too many websites and videos…" explaining,"... charging methods without the presenters fully understanding, and certainly not able to teach these methods properly since they neither comprehend them nor the traditions behind them...as I explained in my post that has been blocked from view on this channel…but…I will post it again here and in my other response. We will see if this information is left up this time so folks can actually LEARN about these methods and ask proper questions… 焼杉 - Yakesugi - (sometimes written improperly: 焼き杉) grilled cedar also called: “Shou-sugi-ban” erroneously by Europeans and those in North America who don't know what the hell they are talking about is an ancient charing method used to not only color wood but to preserve wood as well... There is the 炭付 (Sumi-tsuki) “with charcoal” heavy burn method, or the 磨き (Migaki) (焼杉美杉 Yakesugi Misugi) “polishing” smoothed out method...バーナー焼き Bānā-yaki “burner - “flame painting” method....鰐 (Wani) “crocodile” effect…These charring effects are found in several wood cultures…焼or “yaki” means burnt, fried, grilled, heat-treated, etc. and is a general descriptive term. 「杉」or “sugi” means cypress as in Cryptomeria japonica, also called Japanese Cedar in the West.「板」or “ita” means plank or board. So「焼杉板」or “yakisugi-ita” translates into English as “heat-treated cypress board”, “burnt cedar plank”, etc….” "Charing" methods on the other hand can be found in many ancient wood cultures and have a plethora of uses besides just wood preservation. Yakesugi, and those related modalities are aimed at a specific species of tree found mostly in Asia…
@carlosarango2728
@carlosarango2728 13 күн бұрын
I did the siding of my house out of 1" pine boards. Nice thick layer of char. The technique is fantastic.
@kimjune
@kimjune 13 күн бұрын
Shou Sugi Ban Is A Waste Of Time if it's done wrong*
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 13 күн бұрын
Thank you for this...I responded above if my comment is not blocked and left for others to read...It seems my first post was blocked...Here is the primary information for those that wish to learn and ask questions: 焼杉 - Yakesugi - (sometimes written improperly: 焼き杉) grilled cedar also called: “Shou-sugi-ban” erroneously by Europeans and those in North America who don't know what the hell they are talking about is an ancient charing method used to not only color wood but to preserve wood as well... There is the 炭付 (Sumi-tsuki) “with charcoal” heavy burn method, or the 磨き (Migaki) (焼杉美杉 Yakesugi Misugi) “polishing” smoothed out method...バーナー焼き Bānā-yaki “burner - “flame painting” method....鰐 (Wani) “crocodile” effect…These charring effects are found in several wood cultures…焼or “yaki” means burnt, fried, grilled, heat-treated, etc. and is a general descriptive term. 「杉」or “sugi” means cypress as in Cryptomeria japonica, also called Japanese Cedar in the West.「板」or “ita” means plank or board. So「焼杉板」or “yakisugi-ita” translates into English as “heat-treated cypress board”, “burnt cedar plank”, etc….” "Charing" methods on the other hand can be found in many ancient wood cultures and have a plethora of uses besides just wood preservation. Yakesugi, and those related modalities are aimed at a specific species of tree found mostly in Asia…
@just-dl
@just-dl 13 күн бұрын
I do like the look. And lack of chemicals. But it is time consuming.
@mikegiammarise7861
@mikegiammarise7861 13 күн бұрын
Bugs won’t eat it
@mikegiammarise7861
@mikegiammarise7861 13 күн бұрын
But very informative and accurate
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 күн бұрын
Not accurate at all...!!!...and full of misinformation about the method...
@Eweber007
@Eweber007 13 күн бұрын
I disagree, Using the proper wood and technique, it's as good a preservative and any modern alternative. It can last decades
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 күн бұрын
You are most correct...Here is the inportant information to discuss and ask question about from someone that has been taught this traditionally in both Japan and several other cultures should you have questions... 焼杉 - Yakesugi - (sometimes written improperly: 焼き杉) grilled cedar also called: “Shou-sugi-ban” erroneously by Europeans and those in North America who don't know what the hell they are talking about is an ancient charing method used to not only color wood but to preserve wood as well... There is the 炭付 (Sumi-tsuki) “with charcoal” heavy burn method, or the 磨き (Migaki) (焼杉美杉 Yakesugi Misugi) “polishing” smoothed out method...バーナー焼き Bānā-yaki “burner - “flame painting” method....鰐 (Wani) “crocodile” effect…These charring effects are found in several wood cultures…焼or “yaki” means burnt, fried, grilled, heat-treated, etc. and is a general descriptive term. 「杉」or “sugi” means cypress as in Cryptomeria japonica, also called Japanese Cedar in the West.「板」or “ita” means plank or board. So「焼杉板」or “yakisugi-ita” translates into English as “heat-treated cypress board”, “burnt cedar plank”, etc….” "Charing" methods on the other hand can be found in many ancient wood cultures and have a plethora of uses besides just wood preservation. Yakesugi, and those related modalities are aimed at a specific species of tree found mostly in Asia…
@Eweber007
@Eweber007 12 күн бұрын
@@JayCWhiteCloud Many people seem to think you can simply take fire to any wood and you're set. The species is critically important, because the resin in each species is unique and will take on different properties when heat is applied. No two species react exactly the same with the application of heat/flame, which is why it often leads to failure. The process has been used for thousands of years and can't simply be dismissed out of hand by anyone who doesn't understand or follow the proper techniques.
@JayCWhiteCloud
@JayCWhiteCloud 12 күн бұрын
@@Eweber007Your assessment is most correct…!!! I learned to char wood from my family members first who worked in the traditional folk styles of green woodworking and timber framing in the Ozarks where my mother's family is from. Later in Japan, and then other wood cultures… You have most correctly pointed out, as I tried in my first post that got blocked and/or removed, that you can’t really have a solid perspective or opinion of any value to share with others unless you really understand these traditional…and proven!!!... modalities and means of wood charing… Case in point, 焼杉 - Yakesugi, systems of charring is only meant for those species of cypress and similar woods found in the Nihon Rettō and Ryniku Archipelago region and its wood cultures… Again thank you for posting and I hope, for the sake of other readers who find this foolish video, our conversation is not removed. Editing and reducing this video would be a very beneficial thing for those actually trying to learn when and how charring is done, but to do that, the owner of this channel would have to accept learning the system first and effectively applying it to a given task…
@offgridsolitude
@offgridsolitude 10 күн бұрын
Good info!
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