Far Harbour is the best thing Bethesda has done in the last 10 years. It actually has atmosphere and a cohesive story and art design.

What frustrates me is that the Fallout IP wasnt even Bethesda's creation. Now it's essentially being held hostage, there's endless potential but with Bethesda having it, we won't see anything substantial for many years.. And after those many years they have given us zero signs that they can make a successful modern game.

Honestly, the last Bethesda game I truly enjoyed was Skyrim, which came out in 2011.

I heard Starfield only has 12 unique dungeon layouts. It should be 100s. Thats what they should be using procedural generation for. Instead whats there is a tenth the size of the other bethesda games

Its not even a question.. they should've been working on Elder Scrolls 6 this entire time since release. on a new engine aswell.

The idea of enormous space-games is always better than the actual reality of them

as much as i hate on starfield for all of its issues i hope to see a turn around and support

If they abandon Star field, it shows us they won't back their products, so neither will I.....

I would love it if they actually added some exploration in the space sections. Add some jump gates between planets (like Freelancer) that allow manual travel, where you can exit out and explore spaces, find shit between planets, get ambushed along the way. It’s called Star FIELD. Where’s the field? All we get is a tiny box to pretend you’re flying around in above planet orbit.

It's really this simple: how feasible is a Cyberpunk-level rework for Starfield? Can they realistically lower the loading screen timers AND cut down loading screens? Can they overhaul the game mechanics to be more fluid (and in some cases ON PAR WITH FALLOUT 4) and procedural generation to feel fun and exciting to explore these planets? Can they make a DLC that brings a story compelling enough to compete with the GOTY writing we've seen the last year or so of Phantom Liberty, BG3, etc? If the engine keeps them from fixing the core problems, then move on. Put that time into another game or making the game engine capable of making a next gen title.

The game needs a full remake, the story is bad, the setting is bad and that's not even including all the other swats of issues. The concept had potential, it just stumbled on every step along the way.

81 volunteers are working on skyblivion (full remake of oblivion in skyrim engine), most of them do it on the side on top of their job. If they manage to release it next year it would have taken them 13 years. According to an ex BGS employee at least 500 worked on Starfield. Their is clearly bloat or missmanagement they have to dump their engine or fix it and then split teams. It's not like their games have massive ammount of content, it seem like with every iteration there less and less possibility and RPG element anyway.

Fallout 4 was my Starfield lmao. I think that was the first time I ever had buyers remorse lol I was 17 when FO4 came out. I went to the midnight launch and everything. Lets just say I had FONV 2.0 in my head and I was severely disappointed.

I'm one of the weirdos that really enjoyed Starfield! I think it helped that I already thought of their games as gaming junkfood and went in with extremely accurate expectations, not a single surprising thing, but it was also very comfortable at a time when I needed to switch off my brain whilst not doing IRL stuff. Basically the best 6/10 game I've sunk time into. There is A LOT riding on the Shattered Space expansion, they need to do something to make this new universe interesting outside of weirdness in NG+

Id rather them make more dlcs for skyrim and fallout than starfield those games could have been even more timeless than they are.

Again, as a concept, Starfield had SO much potential, and yet compared to Bethesda's previous titles, it is incredibly sanitized and politically correct to a point that it seems clinically Soulless.

Rockstar at least innovate with every iteration of GTA they release. The gap is always understandable but with Bethesda and Starfield? Being Innovative? They have no excuse.

Wasn’t it Winston Churchill who said, “There are lies, there are downright lies, and then there are statistics.” ?

Move to where exactly XD? They still have Emil Pagliarulo as the lead writer and lead gameplay designer (and most likely as game director after TES VI). However you look at it, Bethesda doesn't have a good future.

Todd said they were gonna have 5 years of content, not because they had a lot of content planned, but because it takes them 8 months to get some maps and qol settings out

I don't think there's anything Bethesda can add to Starfield to get me to reinstall it. Starfield's problem isn't lack of content or lack of game mechanics. There's so many game mechanics in Starfield. Starfield's problem is the lack of a compelling hook to really make me want to engage with many of the game's mechanics and a story that's not really compelling enough to for me to want to relive it. To me a game has a compelling story if when I replay the game I don't skip any dialogue. If a game has great mechanics but an ok story, that usually when I notice I'm skipping dialogue, but still having fun replaying the game. Starfield just doesn't have either of those for me. I can't think of anything that would get me to want to replay Starfield short of a complete overhaul of the game, but I don't know if it would even be possible for Bethesda to do that because of how the Creation engine is. I think the things that make Starfield feel outdated aren't going anywhere.

The lack of vision, heart and soul is very apparent when you play Starfield. I feel like so much of the game was built around giving off an illusion of a huge open world. That illusion becomes very obvious about 10-20 hours in.

Starfield had a similar budget and development time as Red Dead Redemption 2. The game we got was a disgrace. Really what that told me is that Bethesda is clunky, slow to build anything, and incredibly wasteful with their budget.

TES > FO> TES Online/FO76 > Poop > Starfield

Every time I think of starfield, heck even when I have gone to play starfield, I just end up back on cyberpunk. I can't believe how spoilt we are at the high end of the industry.

An agreeable take. I enjoyed Starfield when it first launched but it’s leagues behind the Fallout series for me. Fallout 4, New Vegas and 76 are games I always have the itch to go back and play. Haven’t had that same feeling with Starfield at all.

Skyrim sold 60 million units. Fallout is a rounding error compared to Elder Scrolls.

Taking forever to develop anything is a problem, but it’s made worse by the fact that when Bethesda finally does come out with something, it’s always disappointing and underwhelming. What are they doing with all that time?

So I am trying out Starfield currently, the loading screens don't seem as bad as everyone's portraits... You can jump to the missions objective with one, sometimes two loading screens, they are fast, not like F4 loading screens that take fvking minutes sometimes.

Difference between Bethesda and Rockstar taking ten years to make a game is Rockstar games don't have community patches fixing _literally thousands of bugs_ even before the official modding tools are released. I enjoy Bethesda games, but I always let them cook an additional year before buying them, and I don't pay attention to Bethesda's patch notes because it's always a tiny fraction of what the community fixes.

Anyone hoping that Bethesda pulls a Hello Games thing like with No Man's Sky, can't be more wrong. BGS still haven't even patched bugs present in the Creation Engine since like Oblivion. The modders kept patching the same bugs and complaining how it's like almost a copy-paste sort of thing they gotta do in both Skyrim and Fallout 3 and 4, because it's the same bugs or glitches present in all their games ever made since 2006. Starfield is dead as a door nail if you ask me. They may win back a few thousand players after the patch and the expansion in fall, but it's gonna be a momentary blip in the flat line it is right now.

I’ve been playing fallout 4 since the fallout show came out. I played the hell out of starfield. Fallout 4 still feels enormous to me. It feels bigger than starfield and I don’t feel like I’m seeing repeated assets and procedural generation

Bethesda is a studio that had a formula for world design that people loved and still is a high bar that other fail at even getting bronze in, I’m not gonna lie because it’s convenient now to do so. But Bethesda also dose not seem to know what the formula was or how to keep making it and keep shooting them selves In the foot trying copy other peoples formulas.

The only way I'll play Starfield again is if they surprisingly were able to make ships actually fly free roam.

I uninstalled Starfield after a hard week of trying to make it work for me, with the full benefit of the doubt and during the hype. I was utterly disillusioned by that game. They really need to let their older hands back in. Let the people who did New Vegas back at the helm. It’s failed. MOVE ON.

As much as we all wanted this to be a great game. I don’t think the engine, world, or story can be salvaged. I don’t think a huge cyber punk style update will work for starfield. It’s possible but unlikely. Xbox is slowly dying at the helm of Phil Spencer, fallout is clearly what the larger audience and casual audience wants. It’s time to cut ties with starfield . Both Bethesda and Xbox need a hard reset.

The bones are bad so yes they should. They basically have redesign the game from scratch to make it any better. Either that or make like +1000 different dungeons for the 1000 plants to make exploration any good. Also it just feels like Bethesda moved on themselves, it’s taking a year for the first expansion to come out are they honestly going to make more if it takes that long.

Yeah no shit they should move on; if the modders can’t help then it’s a lost fucking cause. Also the real issue is the process by which Bethesda uses to make games I.e their documents, teams and leaders. From what I understand stand they have about 500 devs and each one of them will be working on the same fucking game at the same time which is utterly insane.

I think realistically they should relinquish one, or possibly two properties and just concentrate on one. Since Starfield seems to have the least potential for future games it would be appropriate if the kept that as they are in their twilight years as developers. Fallout and Elder Scrolls are too valuable and have too much potential to be left in their hands. Todd once said regarding Skyrim they simply make games that they themselves want to play. And that's exactly what they're doing. That worked well for Skyrim but he apparently hasn't accepted that it's not working anymore.

But Luke, what would you talk about if they did that??!!!

50hours for a game you don’t like is wild

I don't think it's very respectable for any dev to give up on a game before it's had a proper update cycle, and certainly not because that's what SOME people in the audience are saying. They should do their best to polish it, add new features, give it proper DLC. And if in the end it still doesn't reach a level of critical acclaim as their other games, that's when you say "Well, we tried our best, it didn't work out" and move on. But you can't honestly say you tried unless you give it the proper time, as you would any other game by the studio.

I bet a lot of folks at BGS want to move on from Starfield. I know I'd be sick of any project that's been in development for this long. But I don't think Xbox can afford that. The Fallout show certainly helps Xbox, and if Indiana Jones is a hit, then maybe they can move on. But right now Phil can't say 'we spent 7 billion dollars, and all we got was Hi-Fi Rush'. He needs a hit he can point to.

I've said from the first announcement of 1,000 planets and procedurally generated content that they should've focused on 10-15 planets, maybe just one system, and more hand crafted content. It's crazy that people praised Skyrim/Fallout for the content and getting distracted out in the wilds and Bethesda responded by giving Starfield hundreds of boring planets where there is nothing between interest points. And you pretty much have to walk/float slowly between them. I used to start a quest in those games and then get lost in other activities and forget what I was even doing in the first place. With Starfield, it's just a big slog across baron wastelands just to get to a 5 min somewhat interesting quest marker. That can't be fixed, so unfortunately, I think they should move on.

Now I hat MS owns Bethesda, they should outsource some of their IPs out. Let Obsidian work on a Fallout side game. It doesn't have to be AAA, it could even be a tactics game similar to the first two games. Have InXile make an Elder Scrolls spin-off in the mold of A Bard Tale. Have Arkane work on an Elder Scrolls extraction game like Dark and Darker, or a Dark Brotherhood game that plays like Dishonored. Something to satiate people in between main releases.

If Bethesda wants to save Starfield, they need to release the mod tools. they have all these blank-slate planets in the game but nothing to do with them.

Microsoft should let Obsidian make another Fallout game. It took them what, 18 months for New Vegas - easily the best written Fallout since Fallout2.

Based on what Todd has said, they recognize that exploring on Starfield ìs not the same as in ES/FO, so I think if they do have a ship, it won't just be loading screens when traveling.

I don’t think there’s anything that Bethesda could add into Starfield that would make me change my highly negative opinion of it. The issues that I had with the game would require them to completely overhaul it entirely.

I want Bethesda to go to the drawing board and restructure their studio so that it's not a huge, unorganized mess with literally every decision needing to be approved by one man.

I haven't watched the entire video (yet), but I believe they should finish what they started then follow passion as that is where studios such as Bethesda thrive.

ESO has made 2 billion in revenue so it’s a hit.

Ironic people giving the most criticism don't want the game to improve

Starfield player counts are skewed because most players don't launch through steam, they use mod organizers

They have shown with FO76 they can stick with a game through negativity. I hope they do not abandon Starfield. As one of the dozen people that love the game, warts and all.

When Skyrim came out, I was 12, and it became my favourite game of all time, I still hold great memories. Now I'm 25 and I can't figure out when will they even have the decency to start talking about TES VI. Bethesda is such an incompetent company and has always been, now they just have the renown, but the methods are still old-fashioned for an industry that moves faster than they can even think.

The only thing needed is stopping work and doing a full engine revamp or training the crew for a new engine.

It's their IP to sit on and do NOTHING WITH!!

I just dont understand how it takes them so long to make these games, you see other massive open world RPGs like say witcher 3 with an extremely in depth plot and choices that actually matter, and it took… less than 4 years, with two massive DLCs that by themselves are longer than any main storyline bethesda has ever made

They should drop Starfield, but I don’t think they should give up on the franchise. Completely re-work Starfield 2 from the ground up.

Cyberpunk and bf2042 has shown that many gamers won't care how badly you burned them as long as you eventually give them a product. It's unfortunate that so many encourage the behaviors they claim not to support, but it would truly be in their best interest to simply fix starfield and gain the good PR that comes with it.

No game should ever be abandoned. It's selfish to think that.

Starfield has Potential. They got their canvas set up. They put the sketch down. They just need to paint it now

Honestly, yes. bethesda needs to do everything they can to get ES6 out as soon as possible. Get the Starfield expansion out and then set aside one small dedicated team of maybe like 10-15 ppl to continue working on Starfield updates but they need to get ES6 out.

Base building made the game fun to me. It gave more appeal to the game. I bet you if they take it away Fallout wouldn't sell as many copies

Bethesda have done nothing on the scale of rockstar. I dont get the obsession people have with them

Honestly as someone who didn’t grow up with fallout , I enjoyed starfield and 76 reminded of starfield and I can see where it came from. Just because fallout show is doing good with all the new gamers , I don’t think they should quit starfield. I’m waiting for the DLC to keep playing Starfield and I would like to see the same outcome as fallout as in years later it gains more popularity

Am I the only one that enjoyed Starfield for what it is? It's perfect? No. But I found it very enjoyable.

As long as they keep using that withered mummified corpse of a engine it is completely irrelevant what they do.

Here’s a radical idea - BSG handles ES6 and Obsidian takes on a fallout spinoff. Win-win

They are starting to do things nicely, even though they should've on release date. Why stop now? They're doing fine with Starfield, let them keep building and we will have a very enjoyable game by the end of 2024.

For the TES II:Daggerfall, you could buy a ship as a homebase, you couldn't sail it of course because of the tech back then. Nonetheless, the idea of homebase ships returning for TES6 isn't too far-fetched at all actually.

Bethesda still has to put out Redfall DLC, let's hope they don't get the two mixed up and put Shatter Space in Redfall.

I have not played Starfield. But a Fallout DLC would help at this point. Kind of surprised there aren't more cheeky Fallout references in there anyway. And the lore is so dry I don't think it would hurt. Arguably monetizing Space colonization was the goal of the larger corporations in Fallout.

Just as with Skyrim and Fallout 4, think I'll give Starfield time to fully flesh out and then only consider it.

That part towards the end of the video about BGS having almost no output very much sounds like they have hardcore management issues. It should not be possible for a company with that many employees to have such little output. Of course, as someone on the outside, I can't possibly know what exactly is happening there, but it should be obvious that something is wrong at BGS. I hope that they take a good hard look at how they did things and figure out a better way forward. Would be a shame if they ended up fading away because they continue releasing "meh" games after developing them for ages. And when it comes to the loading screens - the thing is, even if there weren't any loading screens between the planet surfaces and space, it would not change the fact that exploration would be meh. BGS games live off of stumbling upon things. NPCs, events, quests, etc. That type of exploration is basically the opposite of what Starfield does. You're not really exploring a living, breathing world... you're exploring entire planets that are mostly uninhabited. There can't be many things to stumble upon when there's nothing and no one there. Not having loading screens would not change that part of it. It would be nice if it was seamless, sure, but it wouldn't significantly improve the game.

Its funny how people want them to rush fallout 5 and then when it inevitably comes out as the dumpster fire it is, they will complain and say that it should have been in development for longer time. 😂

I truly believe Starfield won't reach its full potential unless they completely overhaul the load screens and make them either faster, more interactive, or nonexistent altogether. The multiple load screens everywhere constantly break people out of immersion.

Yes, they tried and failed. We want Elder Scrolls and Fallout.

Starfield is a technical DOWNGRADE from skyrim/fallout. Those games are actual open worlds LMAO

Starfield made me realize how cool Fallout 4 actually is...then again Sim Settlements 2 is carrying a lot of that load r.n.

Personally I've given up on Elder Scrolls and Fallout, because it takes decades for BGS to make these games and title after title the quality keeps dropping. I'm still having a blast with Skyrim, because of how active the modding community is. But with Starfield I couldn't even finish my 1st playthrough, because I kept falling asleep while playing. The game was tediously boring to play.

Before I watch the video. No. I don't think they should move on until at least Shattered Space releases. Then, they can evaluate whether it's worth holding onto for another year or so. I think we should give them the opportunity to try and improve the game. Whether we think it's possible or not. And I'm not saying not to judge the game or buy it then, I don't even own the game. It's just the right move for both the gamers and Bethesda.

Imagine if Bethseda focoused on what they do best for Starfield.. world building. Like had a handfull of well crafted planets, rather than 1000 with copy paste content and hardly nothing unique what so ever. What really did it in for me, was the "chase the magic space ball" to get a new power.... in the same copy paste temple over and over. Whoever thought that would be fun, should been strung up...

There are a lot of people who like Starfield and abandoning it will piss those people off. Personally I would rather see Bethesda continue to improve Starfield and have Obsidian develop the next Fallout.

Ngl I found luke because of starfield and glad I did … but I love starfield and like hearing what his takes on starfield on all games. So I thank starfield for bringing me to Luke’s vids . And I’m expecting hate I know for saying a certain thing lol 🤙🏻

frankly, while we, the loud minority, have major issues with the game. it was highly successful for them. if they were to abandon the game, it's would really tank their credibility even more than it already has. the skyrim we have now is not the one they launched with. they added so much via patches, horse combat, kill cams for ranged and magic, etc. things that weren't there at launch. they are already making changes to starfield that will make very different from the game we got at launch. new difficulty settings, ability to decorate ships, the upcoming rover update this summer, etc. if they abandon the game now, they'll never recover from it. also a big chunk of the team has already moved on to start working on TES 6. just like most of the team moved on from skyrim to make fallout 4, and then moved on from that to make starfield. them abandoning starfield will not magically make fallout 5 or tes 6 come any quicker. that's not how game dev works.

They need to do that dlc and just drop this IP. It’s going nowhere.

The flaws of Starfield is so staggering that they should keep it in back burner maintenance mode. They selected the wrong engine for the purpose and the game suffers for it greatly.

I love fallout but no offense fuck fallout rn, es6 has been left out to rot for over a a decade

Starfield still had the best quests of all Bethesda rpgs, faction quests!.. though "evil" runs are not really possible :/

I’ve always enjoyed starfield and still do tbh. It’s not for everyone but I love space and being able to walk on planet surfaces is cool to me

The big problem with Bethesda games is so complex. There's so many problems that they let slide since Fallout 4. One big problem is the creation engine. While it was probably groundbreaking when Fallout 3 was released, so many other gaming engines have surpassed it in terms of technical achievements and usability by its devs. I think its to the point where developing new things is probably such a pain in the ass to do. Like how does adding simple things like vehicles take so long to do? It's not shocking that every Bethesda title all play the same way. Another issue is that the story lines and lore of their IPs have surpassed the gameplay that the creation engine provides. Especially with Fallout and Elder Scrolls. Those games have massive storylines that could provide a movie company many seasons worth of content and because Bethesda has to work so hard to add simple stuff to the creation engine to work, it takes the devs much longer to implement things specific to each IP, and due to deadlines, I bet they have to either scrap a lot of content or put those things on the back burner, and the games all come out looking the same. Those are the two of the biggest issues I see and there a lot more, that I'm sure is mentioned in these comments. My only suggestions for Bethesda and Microsoft would be to either completely ditch the creation engine or give the Elder Scrolls and Starfield IPs to other developers and let them work on it. And I still think those other companies should ditch the creation engine and start from scratch.

They should put most of their energy into TES IV. But that doesn't mean they should not put some energy into Starfield, because a lot of people bought it and it would be good that they get a better experience, if possible.

The biggest mistake Bethesda made was launching Elder scrolls online and also fallout 76. They should’ve never release something that has multiplayer in it to where it takes time and resources to support it from many years later. We shouldn’t have to wait for more than 7 to 8 years at a maximum Between games it’s ridiculous

they still owe us an entire expansion

Elder scrolls 6 is an urban legend.

I think Stafield is a lost cause personally. It has bad bones. It would need a total rework and overhaul to really feel fun or bring people back. I think giving it dlc and such is important, but I would rather see them work on fallout or elder scrolls. Its selfish but I just think SF is a waste of time.

Starfield needs to be brought up to Fallout 4's depth / complexity ... AND needs multiple (huge) handcrafted maps to explore and survive in survival mode, like bigger Far Harbor maps.., as Starfield is missing big handcrafted maps (and needs more companions, 4 are way too little..) ... it might take 2-3 years, but on the long run, definitely worth it..

15:22 Sounds like the writer of the article wanted to finish off his piece and move on 😂