Former army officer and retired LEO here. I want to present this idea in a different way. The police should have no weapons that are not available to the general public.

Yes! The Civilian people should never be out gunned by the military or police!

Absolutely, everyone able man, woman and child should be taught a basic level of Leo/military style training in order to defend against a foreign invader or tyrannical government.

Yes! There was an LEO at my gym I'm friends with and we were talking and he mentioned he didn't think Civs should have access to the special training. I disagreed and asked him "do you trust the government?" He smiled and said no, and then acknowledged the point..

I’m tired of hearing military and law enforcement refer to non-uniformed people as “civilians” we are CITIZENS, all of us. We are supposed to make the rules and we should be treated as more than a faceless NPC to others. If the government thinks that Citizens are unworthy of certain equipment, then they are not worthy of it either.

Bringing the modern “minuteman” up to the professional war fighters knowledge, proficiency, and access to equipment is the purist spirit of the 2A

It's our duty to not only have the same items but to be trained and prepared.

Good stuff. As an active LEO, I wish more people would training in self defense. It would make my job easier and safer.

I find it funny that one week I was entrusted with the safety of billions of dollars of equipment that I used to level towns in Iraq. But after EAOS I wasn't trustworthy enough to carry a pistol with out asking some lawyer/bureaucrats permission.

Founding fathers had access to grenades, howitzers, repeating rifles/pistols, blunderbuss, swivel guns, canons, battleships, etc..and many were common and relied on in the private sector for national defense

Yes. For self defense of hearth and home from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Domestic being the more likely.

Civilians should DEFINITELY have access to MILITARY/LEO Guns & Tactics - it's part of having a WELL REGULATED MILITIA

Considering we are the militia, absolutely we should be able to learn military tactics. Anyone that says no, that same argument could be made for gun ownership itself.

Given how the federal government have been behaving under the Biden admin, absolutely yes. Yes! Yes! Yes!

Being in the Marines for 8 years and returning to civilian life has taught me that it is very important for civilians to be proficient in LEO and military tactics. If the need arises for the nation to defend itself from a foreign or domestic threat, it will be the people that defend the nation as our forefathers did.

When I joined the USMC in 1984, I was a civilian. When they sent me out the door after boot and infantry training in 1985, I became a civilian again. This experience was similar to a civilian attending military training. No harm, no foul. When I turned 21 I joined a law enforcement agency and received a ton of varied training. Some of it would not be worth attending whether you are a cop, military, or other. Some of the best training we received came from civilians and I have no problem with civilians receiving any kind of training they want. Being a cop or military gives you different responsibilities but not a special status that makes training a superpower. I have seen an evolution in training regarding use of force and I have some concerns with it. There is an emphasis on safety and de-escalation that has resulted in situations where people do not engage when they clearly need to. Instead, five cops stand back yelling at the suspect and allowing him time to recover and get his weapon in operation which results in a shooting. Some of this can be prevented by jumping on your bad guy and getting him into cuffs. The idea of making a risk-free arrest is not reasonable. The world is a dangerous place, bad guys are going to bad guy. I have been helped by civilians in bad situations, and I am glad of that. The short answer is yes, train. Train everyone.

Crew serve weapons are the perfect learning point for children. Can't be waved around, takes team effort, everyone gets a job to do.

We the people should have access to to military training always!

I am so HAPPY you guys brought up the CMP program. Nobody in the 2nd Amendment political fight ever brings that up as part of Clarence Thomas TEXT, HISTORY AND TRADITION. Again, you guys are spot on. THANK YOU.

Love your insight the youth hasn’t been shown the consequences of ignoring history so they are bound to repeat it

As a 25 year cop and former Marine, I say absolutely yes. If not, where do you draw the line?

Every citizen should have military weapons, and know how to use them, in order to keep the government in check. This is the correct application of the 2nd amendment.

I remember learning all these life skills of "being a man" in the Boy Scouts as well as from my dad. I learned outdoor skills, camping, tracking, fishing, pathfinding, safe handling and shooting of firearms, using knives, etc. Then again, this was before the Scouts went "inclusive".

I’m on a journey of manhood. Started working out again, reading more, building my faith and learning my defense skills. Let’s rise to the challenge men.

Civilians MUST have access to arms as good or *better than* police and military. Otherwise, the People are at disadvantage should it become necessary to discipline or replace their servants in government.

Bravo, guys! I agree. Should civilians have access to "Military/LEO" Guns & Tactics? YES!!! I'm a military and law enforcement veteran, and I say YES. Military small arms currently being used in the U.S. Military are precisely the types of arms that our Founding Fathers intended for the Second Amendment to protect for individual ownership and use. That would include light and medium machine guns, submachine guns, and assault rifles (not to be confused with the term "assault weapon"). "Training" is where the "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment comes into play. By the way, "Militia" is much more than just the organized militia such as the National Guard. You are 100% correct about the founding of the National Rifle Association.

Absolutely! It’s essential to acknowledge that responsible civilians can play a vital role in ensuring public safety and national security. The responsible use of military/LEO guns and tactics can foster a community of informed, prepared citizens who understand the gravity of the tools they possess. When the focus is on self-defense, protecting loved ones, and preserving freedom, the dialogue around this topic can lead to productive outcomes. The key is finding a balance that respects the Second Amendment while prioritizing safety and responsible use.

Here's the thing. When things hit the fan, and your communities are left alone unable to rely on law enforcement or military, or maybe even having to defend yourselves from bands of people who do have that training, you'll have wanted to have that training been available to the community prior to this happening.

When I was young back in the 60s, the NRA sponsored local LE backed youth marksmanship programs, and we formed leagues to compete against other nearby communities. It was GREAT! I should also point out that that was before any federally mandated dealer licensing, and we could still by guns through the mail directly from the sellers, and that a huge number of guns we could buy were military surplus (actual weapons of war), and they were dirt cheap!

absolutely training humbles and helps bring balance

Barley 3 seconds into the video and my answer is yes. We have the ability to buy weapons but the option to train with them. HIGHLY recommend good training as it could produce life saving results. I'm a dirty civilian but made sure to train, train, and train some more with my shooting, med skills, and empty handed skills. Very very worth it to have an armed and trained population rather than a disarmed and clueless population.

Yes; yes, they should. The armed individual citizen is the "well regulated militia." Civilians should have access to same weaponry as the government as was the framers' intent.

Yes civilians should have the right to be trained in the LEO/Military tactics. How else does one defend themselves and family against tyranny

My state CT has a standing militia run by the Military Department. You are trained and qualified on all weapons platforms, under the command of the Governor. I believe Florida stood up a similar program recently. You are brought in as a recruit, go through 6 months of training. Then you are sworn in and active duty. You train weekly out of armories, weekly during the summer on base, then stationed out of armories with gyms you can use for free. It’s basically a huge force multiplier available to the State, Governor and Military Department.

As a finance dude my ears perked up at “ROI”😂 That was a great moment 5:50

We the people should be able to have everything the military has. Full-auto, belt fed, shoulder fired whatevers. Everything. Not just Beretta 92's and 1911's.(I love those too)

Answer is ABSOLUTELY YES, 2nd Amendment is fundamentally about keeping our government from becoming tyrannical and if it did we have a way to defend and bring back the rights of the people. Given this intent, every American should have the ability to understand tactics and techniques and have access to the systems necessary to complete the orignial intent of the 2 Amendment.

Pre-2A "assault weapons" which Dems and RINOs would ban today 1. Ribauldequin (1339) - up to 144 barrels - rate of fire: auto (mass volley) 2. Danish flintlock (1646) - 30-round tube magazine - lever action 3. Kalthoff repeater (1650) - up to 30-round mag - rate of fire: 60 rounds/minute 4. Cookson flintlock (1650) - up to 30-round mag - rate of fire: "will fire as quick as you please" (per ad in Boston Gazette April 12th, 1756) 5. Puckle gun (1718) - 32mm small artillery (1.25 caliber) - 11-round detachable mag - rate of fire 9 rounds/minute (3x musket) 6. Belton flintlock (prior to 1777) - 20-round detachable mag - rate of fire: full-auto burst (20 rounds/5 seconds) 7. Girandoni air rifle (1779) - 22-round detachable mag - rate of fire: 60 rounds/minute - outfitted Lewis and Clark Exp. 8. Mayflower ship and Plymouth settlement, 1620, (CIVILIAN) - armed with canons and mortars 9. Blunderbuss/Dragoon (1600) - short barrel shotguns which could fire grenades, chain, dart, and incendiary rounds 10. Fougasse and Pressureball - black powder mines, up to 5,500 lbs of explosives FACT: James Madison, author of the 2A, as president created a program to increase effectiveness and reduce cost of repeating arms to make them more available to the populace. FACT: In 1777, Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to George Washington encouraging him to commission the creation of rapid-fire muskets.

If you have a baseline with weapons, you are also able to protect your house and you will gain confidence to handle weapons. The majority of the people just lack confidence when it comes to doing things, and that is just about anything, not just weapons handling. I keep up on my training by once a week clearing my own house with both pistol and rifle, gear and no gear. I dont care for clearing houses with rifles, but I may need to do it one day. Great video.

I'm not a civilian, I am a citizen.

Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are technically civilian contractors and they're essentially able to build nukes if they check the right box on the FFL/SOT paperwork, so i would argue that civilians should have access to *better* weapons and training than the military.

Already asked and answered 234 years ago. "A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state" Any rule contrary is a violation of the law.

Tapped in, your Q 'should we be teaching these things" ... yup, obviously, it's a duty really. Thanks for talking about it :)

Yes, we should be intimately familiar with Leo and military tactics and training . You never know when that knowledge will keep you from being another ruby ridge

Here in Canada they have specific laws against military "drilling." I would never ever do that with my buddies... and go for drinks after. Never.

Using your example of the peacetime draft. The military throughout the late 30’s pushed very hard to get as many licensed pilots out as they could. While great for civilian, another main goal was in case of war fighter and bomber pilots are going to be needed, if a ton of young men already knew how to fly, the only thing left to do was give specific military flight training. This in turn shortening the training needed and not have to worry as much about wash outs.

10 seconds in and the answer is YES. Train hard,train smart, stay free!

I'm going by the title. I personally believe that yes civilians should have any weapon that the military has I think training should be mandatory in school just like most things we need to servive

There are only a few ways a civilian can become a citizen. Be an asset - not a liability.

As a Trade Compliance professional, thanks for the ITAR comment! Just bought the Warrior Poet Way to prep for my first son, keep it coming John!

As a veteran, I believe all citizens should have access to the weapons and tactics I had. "Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for government but is illegal for the citizenry."

I have the TM manuals for imprivised munitions and guerrilla warfare. Every one should be equipped and trained to take care of themselves and their families. How ever far they feel is necessary.

Not only should be allowed but even required for citizenship. Not speaking particularly for tactics, but more along the lines of boot camp training. There is a large majority of this population that would really benefit from some of the core values of discipline, responsibility, and respect for authority that is taught in military training. It would do wonders for the future development of our societal values.

I’d love to see this discussion happen with Matt Pranka of XRay Alpha since he’s the one who recently brought this topic back into the spotlight.

In other countries, example Israel, ALL citizens have had military service. So yes we should have modern minutemen.

Absolutely. Their shouldn’t be “special” classes of people in a constitutional republic.

Yes, good people don't become bad people because they know things and own things, and should the need arise for lots of people who know things and own things to muster up the learning curve will be much less steep for everyrone involved.

Excellent discussion… thanks guys.

Thinking about your story about the handcuffing techniques critiques, I think--like so many other advanced or ancillary skills--it comes down to adequately communicating applicability. Certainly, for LEOs, this is an obvious benefit. But, as a civilian, there certainly could be situations where those skills would be helpful. OR, knowing the WEAKNESSES of different cuffing techniques could provide me skills to escape if needed.

yes, of course. Law abiding citizens should have these weapons handling skills. I even see in some gun stores have "LEO/military only" display cases with certain firearms, but then I drive to another gun store and those items are open sale to anyone who passes the 4473 NIC check. Furthermore, those items become personal weapons after the individual leaves service. So the same rationale exists to training, no one does the MiB flashy light brain wipe thingy when you leave the military.

Civilians should have 💯 % access to all training.

If you read most state militia laws, you can be compelled to serve at the pleasure of the governor in times of emergency. As a former military officer, in Wyoming I could be called up until the age of 70.

Better question, should law enforcement be trained like special forces?

A dull knife is more dangerous then a sharp knife a untrained gun owner is a dangerous gun owner

Great video gentlemen, thank you! 🙏🏽🇺🇸

Thank you all once again. Great content and conversation.

Hell yeah, the civilians should get access to police/military tactics and gear. Especially after the COVID debacle.

You better believing it!! I work armed security contracting, and one of the reasons i wanted to work in this field was to not only protect people but get some decent firearms traning to protect myself and loved ones if needed. We all should be training, especially now!

Wouldn’t training for citizens ultimately make for a safer, more prepared national defense?

Correction. It's "SHALL NOT" be infringed. Not "shouldn't " Communist Vermont passed a law banning any civilian training. So vague so they can go after paintball and airsoft if they wish. Or with no weapons at all.

Absolutely, citizens should have complete access to military and law enforcement training.

Civilian need more than LEO ... We don't operate under the same SOP.

As always, EXCELLENT BRIEFING, SIRS!!!!!

I like what you said about men and masculinity at the end. For a long time I have been thinking the same but never found the right way to word it out.

Good discussion, lots of important issues to think about. A "National Service" program where all young people are give the option of Military (Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, First Responders) or some form of Public Service would be beneficial for the whole country and prepare our youth for their future.

Yes. We should ALL have access to protect our family and against tyranny!

Great video and really enjoying your book.

The better question is "Should Law Enforcement be so militarized? ".

As a 30-year retired cop and firearms instructor, I say absolutely YES!! If they're going to have guns, give them the training so they can apply the firearms safely and effectively. You can sift the shady people from your classes.

Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: We need to make proper training, and learning tactics a societal expectation. Any gun owner who doesnt, should considered "less than".

Yes!! Absolutely 💯.

This shouldn't even be a question. Those who want to defend this country, should have access to it. Period.

Does the military/LEO own this country ?

Absolutely... and those of who had served and did well to retain that training and experience can teach civilians - FYI besides there are plenty of surplus military FM & TM manuals including the soldiers manual handbook - remember those guys - that we had to carry in our cargo pocket at all times - there are even advancement manuals like the Combat Leaders Field Guide by Ret. CSM James J. Gallagher. Surely many of us having manuals kept them as I have kept mine - some I had to return that is considered confidential but any of those currenty that anyone can have as they are outdated and no longer strict as they are common use worldwide... it wasn't just individual soldier training and exercises but we also had to be book smart. We cannot remember everything as those TM/FM are vital as well as the MOS/IRR advanced level training skills.

I just went to Independence Hall where the constitution was penned, and then to William Penns manor. The history of how Quaker ism effected the colonial mind and eventually the constitution is crazy interesting. As a warrior poet, check it out!

I believe the first part of the Second Amendment covers this topic a well regulated militia oh, I think that the Sheriff's Department's should be starting up County militias and I know this won't go over but and I think they should arm the militia!

A potential problem with teaching military/LEO tactics to civilians is that, after only relatively "light" training, civilians could come away thinking they're qualified to do the things military and law enforcement personnel train extensively to do. They're not. Causing them to believe they are could be setting them up for tragic failure. The most effective and least risky way to do such training would be to conduct sessions for groups of people who live in close proximity, like a neighborhood, and will be the neighborhood militia in case it's needed.

7:05 Dude, a few buddies and I had a motorcycle club and a few of us regularly went to one specifc bar after work. We even used that bar as our clubhouse because the owner was an Indian dude that loved having us. When we got thwre after work each day, we also ran security for the club, including getting one of our dudes hired as their full time bouncer. There were a handful of nights when we had to break up fights or escort people out. But one in particular, there was a guy that was hitting on, grabbing, and trying to assault a woman at the bar. Since a buddy and I were helping the owner move some stuff around at the back, we heard her holler and then the bartender (a girl that was aboht 5'2" and MAYBE 95 pounds) calling for me. We ran up, got this guy off the woman, and she & the bartender told us what he was doing. He threatened us, tried to punch my friend but just glancing him, and we beat the absolute shit out of him. We tuned him up pretty good, dragged him outside, and kept him on the curb until the local cops got there. When they came up to us (guns drawn), they asked what was going on. They also saw that we were all pretty bloodied up, but the two women told the officers that we were security taking out the trash and protecting everyone involved. The cops shooke our hands, took the guy into custody, and just told us to make sure we didn't get any of the dude's blood in our cut hands 😆. Technically, it was a "citizen's arrest" until the lolice got there, but we just kinda saw it as "street justice." If you see a dude sexually assaulting a woman in public, ESPECIALLY your hometown/base of operation then it's incumbent upon YOU to take care of it and the people around you. It also turned out that the woman's husband was nearby and he came and hugged us for helping his wife. Then, he showed us his prison tattoos, told us "your club is gonna be good friends with the Aryan Brotherhood" and we realized that we might have just fucked up 🤣😂.

I love this YT channel and the conversations are always thought provoking and relevant. In my opinion the very question of whether or not the average citizen should have access to military grade weapons and training is absurd for a couple reasons. First and most obvious is that most firearms (other than basic handguns) are so expensive that your average citizen (now making a whopping $31k / year in this country) simply can't afford them. Second, the average citizen enjoys such a high level of convenience in this country and modern era that any skills taught would become virtually useless because the ability to practice them is rare. Short answer, of course we should have access to all of these things as it was intended by virtue of our great Constitution. Only the tyrant or dictator would find excuses for why they need personal armed security but the average citizen doesn't. This is the very nature of those corrupt institutions that push that ideology. Brazen hypocrisy is a hallmark of Communism.

yes. most of the military & LEO tactics are common sense.

love the message

Anything and everything that keeps me from carrying any kind of "arms" violates that which shall not be infringed. Remember at one time private citizens could own warships armed with all sizes of cannon, rockets, and mortars.

Great channel Boys

I fully agree with you!

Former Army infantryman, absolutely yes on this question. Every able bodied citizen of the Republic should be taught how to operate weapons of all kinds and have the ability to own them if they wish.

Spot on, Juliet Lima!

Yes the common man should have access to training. As a common man I don’t have a grand to spend on training. Class cost plus ammo and travel. My common ass is too busy trying to keep food on the table and maintain the standard of living for my family.

Great video.

I love this channel and i respect the guys who have these discussions. Thank you for all the honest, intelligent, useful content you guys provide! 🇺🇸 😎

Can you imagine a country that saw its citizen like say the Spartans? Minus the negatives. But the standard of wanting every citizen to be a force to be reckoned with. Because if the citizens are great it’s a lot more likely so will the country.