Should I Really Be Going To Grad School For A Better Opportunity?

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@FrankS111 Жыл бұрын

I got a masters in engineering management a few years ago for $20k and my company paid for half of it.

@mccuj4509 9 ай бұрын

I worked 5 years in one place with a degree, 4 year degree and got a 25cent raise. Working hard with humility doesn’t grant a raise and or title.

@simonpereira4281 4 ай бұрын

Then you’re pretty incompetent

@mccuj4509 4 ай бұрын

@@simonpereira4281 Well, if that was true. I wouldn't be in a selective graduate program. In addition, the ignorance of your statement is not only ignorance filled with arrogance. It's just plain a stupid and uneducated comment. Go look at how much retail, construction or even the medical industry pays percentage raise in the last 20 years. I'm guessing your 50+ in age?

@newmansown7738 2 ай бұрын

Have you jump around to other jobs?

@luisvigo3777 Жыл бұрын

If a job that requires it won’t pay for it, find a job that will.

@Axsel85 Жыл бұрын

I have a masters in eng management from Purdue and it did not help me in my career. Luckily the company I worked at covered most of the tuition.

@Shanshu72 Жыл бұрын

Studying for my ChFC and CFP designation, and my current lesson said that grad student debt is masked but a huge culprit on our current crisis. An average graduate student’s annual federal loans have ballooned from $10k (1995) to $23k (2015). This is compared from $3.8K to $6.7k annually for undergrad.

@michaelcarter266 Жыл бұрын

He might as well finish the degree since he is already a year in. Me personally, I won’t go back to college if I was making 70k a year. Don’t increase your work hours till after you are done with college. Graduate first.

@anthonylozano8035 Жыл бұрын

Waste of money. I discerned an mba or engineering management grad Degree as well. As an engineer, it depends but most of the time all you need experience in the field and great communication skills and grit to move into a management role. Honestly if the guy is a civil or mechanical all he needs is a professional engineering license and he’s good to go. Waste of money

@chocolateangel8743 Жыл бұрын

@Anthony Lozano I've heard that it can depend on the branch of engineering a person goes into. However, the engineers I've personally known have skills that they can use to make money in other ways -- like side hustles.

@front331 Жыл бұрын

I agree. My brother has a bachelor's in electrical engineering but mainly works at fixing computers, working with software etc. So an undergrad degree is very useful and flexible, and you should move up to management with it and experience.

@nuellasnuggets Жыл бұрын

I start my master's degree after labor day. I work full time and will be attending part-time online. I'm utilizing employer reimbursement and paying out-of-pocket. It's also a state school.

@RealCivilEngineerGaming. Жыл бұрын

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@thejeremykeen Жыл бұрын

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@leadrecruiter Жыл бұрын

As a recruiter in a fortune 100 company where I recruit for these technical roles, I can tell you that a MBA will not get him the management job. Is he currently managing teams? Is he leading anyone? His Company not gonna take him from $70k into a management role paying $170k

@Mickeyz17 Жыл бұрын

Lies

@leadrecruiter Жыл бұрын

@@Mickeyz17 ???

@thesig301 Жыл бұрын

I believe he meant 70k to 100k😂 but it increases his chances of getting the manger positions, obviously it’s not guaranteed

@GunGlutton Жыл бұрын

If he’s the right color it will

@GunGlutton Жыл бұрын

@@thesig301 well it’s reality. Look at colleges. If you are Asian you will have a harder time getting accepted vs whites with the same grades and if your black you can get get accepted with lower grades than whites and Asians. I suppose the colleges think they are helping but it’s unfair and racist

@shadshapiro3807 9 ай бұрын

Speaking from experience you do not need a masters to move into a management position. You need to prove yourself in your current role, and when a spot opens up, apply for it. Or, if you wish to change companies, explain how your technical aptitude will provide value to them in a management function. If you come across strong in your interview, resume and application will more often than not get you into a management position

@brad885 Жыл бұрын

Get it done, pay it off, or do it part time and take full advantage of the employer benifit over the next two years. Get it done and move up. Where Im at that degree gets you $140k minimum

@JustJakesTakes13 Жыл бұрын

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@misoudeweese7209 Жыл бұрын

Many (most?) job ads ask for a degree OR experience. I think the caller should build up the experience, prove himself with the company. He can slowly work on his master's degree by cash-flowing it over time.

@HHHPedigrees Жыл бұрын

I don’t get why a engineering management master will cost 60k. You can find a good state public school for that degree in state tuition you should be paying no more than 20k.

@TheWutangclan1995 Ай бұрын

I’d rather just go back to community college and experiment with a new career with little to no money.

@stanleylebrun6160 Жыл бұрын

I think if he takes the PE exam and pass it that would be a great start instead of having a master.

@Simba365 10 ай бұрын

Yes, I was told by multiple engineers that a masters is a waste of time unless its cheap or someone is paying for it ,a PE is is a way better to have than a masters because you can sign off on engineering documents which is the key role for engineering managers

@ytr8989 Жыл бұрын

If you want just a support job then you don’t need it. If you want to work for a company and move up the management later than you need the grad degree.

@deadcell1 Жыл бұрын

Do you know what is crazy? You need a degree to work for a business but you don't need a degree to start a business.

@SQ8warrior 8 ай бұрын

As an engineer 1 year into my own masters (paid cash)...I can tell you thinking he can take sidework while in school is pure delusion for 95% of engineering jobs. 50-60 hr weeks as a young engineer "crushing it" plus 20-30 for school. 90 hr weeks. Ive slept 5-6 hrs per night doing exactly that. Im sorry but without a trip to an early grave thats not feasible. Dave and Ken are always flippant about side hustles but here theyre especially out of their depth for this scenario

@TheHoriginal Ай бұрын

Maybe he falls into the 5% kind of engineering job. Just sayin’ :)

@isaiahmartinez2061 Жыл бұрын

I had buddies who got Engineering Management degrees from Arkansas state online for $25 a semester. 60k for the same degree is laughable

@pHixiq Жыл бұрын

Yeah my good friend is making 63k rn and only had to pay $70 for his classes 😂. Arkansas too. Engineering management

@Pablo-cs5sc 5 ай бұрын

@3:49 lmao dave was so fed up

@adamragus6531 Жыл бұрын

I’m currently using my GI Bill for grad school and I know some companies offer tuition reimbursement programs or something similar. It might take a while to complete but could definitely be a worthy pursuit if you play it the right way.

@thesig301 Жыл бұрын

This can only be done for graduate degree if you’re an officer right?

@adamragus6531 Жыл бұрын

@@thesig301 I don't believe so. Make sure you have the qualifying active duty time required (and educational requirements) and the world is your oyster as far as your education is concerned.

@PassiveandMoon Жыл бұрын

@@thesig301 you can use GI bill for almost whatever you want

@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit Жыл бұрын

So you finished college then joined the military? Then got out and now are doing grad school right? I feel like that’s an underrated thing to do tbh

@thesig301 Жыл бұрын

@@PassiveandMoon yea I was just confused on the order he did things, he must’ve went to undergrad before military.

@Mr_Fairdale Жыл бұрын

That mute button is 🧊 cold, man

@OcarinaHero93 Жыл бұрын

What do you expect? He’s old and stubborn and doesn’t have any sympathy for the actions of the newer generation. It is a pretty outlandish move on his end to just mute the caller and talk over him but that’s how he handles people like that.

@OcarinaHero93 Жыл бұрын

@@TheAck201 True, but like I said he’s old fashioned.

@terranesha5784 Жыл бұрын

@@TheAck201 probably because he understands that this generation has the softest men that ever existed on this earth.

@OcarinaHero93 Жыл бұрын

@@terranesha5784 That too.

@bradleys2320 Жыл бұрын

he has no patience for a caller when they start rationalizing something that blatantly contradicts his baby steps, and the mute button is the moment he recognizes that a direct conversation with that caller is no longer productive and he switches to teaching the broader audience of listeners. I think it's a great move. It's his show. All a caller has to do is listen to the show for a couple weeks before they call to know how this works.

@celldoublee683 Жыл бұрын

Im am an engineer and you don’t need A masters to be in a Management role.

@shambhangal438 5 ай бұрын

The mistake wasn't buying the house, it was going back to college with a 70k job already in hand.

@starcandle 5 ай бұрын

2:57 rice and beans u don’t go inside a restaurant unless it’s your second job

@mw66683 Жыл бұрын

Elite school MBAs cost $100 - $200K (or more).

@kasession Жыл бұрын

Serious question. How do you qualify for a mortgage if you have student load debt?

@madisonthehomemaker Жыл бұрын

There's a debt to income ratio you have to be over in order to not be accepted for mortgage

@MrOfficer235 Жыл бұрын

Don’t buy a house with student loans. That’s a really stupid thing to do

@genxretiree Жыл бұрын

Tough to listen to people fight the ability to build wealth.

@larissagonzales6075 Жыл бұрын

and worse if they blame systemic racism.

@nunyabidnes6010 Жыл бұрын

@@larissagonzales6075 ok boomer

@sarahmilner8483 Жыл бұрын

I actually love rice & beans😂😂

@TheHoriginal Ай бұрын

Me too 😆

@larissagonzales6075 Жыл бұрын

All you need is good brown-nosing skills and networking skills. You will find a management role due to nepotism that happens all the time.

@ICG_1687 Жыл бұрын

I'm curious what the person hears or doesn't hear when Dave mutes them lol

@TheHoriginal Ай бұрын

Right ? lol 😆

@SC-ye3kw 2 ай бұрын

If the company is willing to pay $30k to help him get an advanced degree, they obviously value advanced degrees. Get the the degree, get the promotion, and don't sweat the debt. $60k is like a expensive car, just make payments over 4-5 years.

@tiwarani Жыл бұрын

I don't think he needs a master's. That's just a piece of paper. He just needs on the job experience and the personality to be in a management or leadership role.

@truthseeker6370 Жыл бұрын

Sorry but Ken is Wrong about not needing an Masters for Many leadership positions. Dave is correct that the graduate degree doesn't have to cost as much as many people pay for it.

@thejeremykeen Жыл бұрын

Really? I am working on my MBA online through a local, reputable college. I did my research. My all in costs will be less than $15k. There were several at or near that price point.

@larissagonzales6075 Жыл бұрын

My MBA in accounting maybe cost 7K at the University of New Mexico. I live in Chicago and make a good living.

@reese85 Жыл бұрын

@@thejeremykeen how are you goin to make after getting your masters? I kno ppl who have masters that don’t make no more than like 50k

@reese85 Жыл бұрын

@@larissagonzales6075 what’s good living? How much money a year is that?

@Rashaadthegr8 Жыл бұрын

He can always be a tutor

@publichealthhired Жыл бұрын

Masters is the new bachelors and the only way to break past $75k and into $100k+ for a comfortable salary job. Speaking from experience helping thousands of colleagues get jobs in public health. Masters masters masters‼️

@treyhall9138 Жыл бұрын

I have no degree and make 115k a yr in IT. MAsters definitely aren’t required in all fields .

@scarpfish Жыл бұрын

Racket racket racket.

@rudolph1899 Жыл бұрын

I have a bachelors only and make north of 100k. Get behind me thee

@MagicKnight00001 Жыл бұрын

I have a bachelors and make $177 in IT. My brother has the same and makes over $220K in IT.

@tin8060 11 ай бұрын

@@rudolph1899what do you do if you don’t mind me by asking :)

@deadcell1 Жыл бұрын

If you don't have a college degree the only way you are going to be able to make good money is to start your own business. You need a degree to work for a business but you don't need one to start a business.

@blackworldtraveler3711 Жыл бұрын

An airline mechanic makes $90k-$160k or more with no degree and full company benefits including free lifetime travel benefits any class and mega 401k.

@reese85 Жыл бұрын

My gf works for a bank, no degree and makes 90k! She’s currently looking to change companies to make $110! I’m a garbage man, no degree and I make $100k! There’s jobs out there but ppl don’t kno how to find them

@deadcell1 Жыл бұрын

Those jobs are definitely not in florida. There are no garbage truck men who make $90k unless they are in upper management and have a degree.

@naokihasegawa9243 Жыл бұрын

Ppl always bring their mouths to these calls but don’t bring their ears. It puzzles me lol

@jimmymcgill6778 Жыл бұрын

You can say the same about Dave too.

@heismanhighlights5123 Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymcgill6778 his job is to bring his mouth

@jarodfalk1046 Жыл бұрын

God gave two ears and one mouth for a reason. It means more listening is important.

@JoeyNYSDnomad Жыл бұрын

You should really research how much more income you will make with this degree before diving head first in. Not assume it.

@Benjamin-ip5vk Жыл бұрын

The way he muted him tho 😂

@TheHoriginal Ай бұрын

Right? lol

@DSNCB919 6 ай бұрын

I have a bsme 8 years enginerring exp 150k base salary grad school for what? Ive been offered manager roles and said no you dont need a engineering management degree to be a manager be a damn engineer let your work show for you.. a grad degree will not make you a better engineer

@jimmymcgill6778 Жыл бұрын

These people have to live in the real world. Most jobs do care about degrees. More then likely, he will make more with it. So what if it takes fives years to pay off, instead of one or two.

@xiomaragomez6649 Жыл бұрын

Investing in your education is always worth it.

@dagobert1234321 Жыл бұрын

A 60k degree for a potential 20k raise does not make sense…my masters degree was 130k but got a scholarship.. no way I would have paid full-sticker

@jimmymcgill6778 Жыл бұрын

@@dagobert1234321 60k for 20k a year is worth it. 130k, no.

@dagobert1234321 Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymcgill6778 I agree that 130k def not.. 60k might not be worth it as well… especially a engineering management, it doesn’t carry the same weight at an MBA.. for me my salary increased by 100k, the main drawback it was FT so no income..

@scarpfish Жыл бұрын

"Most jobs care about degrees". Do you know why? Because we are dumb enough as a society to let lazy, tone deaf HR people get away with that garbage philosophy. I can see why people embellish or just outright lie on their resumes. Stop the madness people.

@ytr8989 Жыл бұрын

You didn’t tell him to look for scholarships, grants, and employer reimbursement programs.

@nickm4662 Жыл бұрын

I haven’t had an employer so far that covers graduate degrees.. Only undergraduate.

@thesig301 Жыл бұрын

@@nickm4662 both of you guys are funny, he literally mentions at 1:15 how his employer is paying $30k towards his graduate degree….. anyways lots of employers will pay for MBAs and what not.

@nickm4662 Жыл бұрын

@@thesig301 I was just referring to my own personal experience. I need to know what employers provide that lol

@ytr8989 Жыл бұрын

@@nickm4662 UPS

@kbee2963 5 ай бұрын

Crazy how some people will jump into more debt without doing any research! Going to grad school, accruing even more debt, without even knowing what his return on investment would be? If your answers are, "I think, not sure, I heard, seems like", you need to get better answers.

@DoctorSmartyPants Жыл бұрын

Another caller that has not done their homework before signing up for more schooling and loans.

@sheilayoung8007 Жыл бұрын

Amen made the same mistake. Didn't benefit me or my family, just where I work.

@Mr_New_Vegas_685 Жыл бұрын

Why bother to ask questions if you don’t want to hear the answers.

@jimmymcgill6778 Жыл бұрын

Stop cutting people off, and let them finish talking. So what if he just bought a house.

@LosCarnevores Жыл бұрын

You watching the wrong show. It’s been the same advice from the beginning

@fishingmasterxy Жыл бұрын

because it’s a lot more debt on top of $90k of debt

@jimmymcgill6778 Жыл бұрын

@@fishingmasterxy SO. You can have a house and have debt at the same time.

@karenc6334 Жыл бұрын

In Dave’s world, buying a house while in debt is like someone saying “I want to learn how to iron a dress shirt, but I want to do it outside in a hurricane.” And Dave’s like, “Ok, step one, come inside from the hurricane so you have some stability and can get dry.” He isn’t going to bother arguing that point for very long with someone so insistent.

@alinatamashevich3354 Жыл бұрын

@@jimmymcgill6778 Again you are so ignorant

@djpuplex Жыл бұрын

As a engineer he sure doesn't have concrete answer on where to go and how to get there." Uh oh eh ah um yeah ".

@2023Red Жыл бұрын

This young man has great ideas but his implementation is not good.

@kimberlygorgoglione9237 Жыл бұрын

This caller is doing fine. Why pick on him?

@HHHPedigrees Жыл бұрын

Doing a 60k master degree was kinda silly

@dac8939 Жыл бұрын

When i went to university it was for enjoyment of studying to learn. Not really thinking how much i would make.

@rachelharrison7961 Жыл бұрын

If the employer is paying for half, he’s paying $30k for the degree, not $60k.

@camronRD Жыл бұрын

He was talking about undergrad debt too

@rudolph1899 Жыл бұрын

Best advice “You live off nothing”

@DoctorSmartyPants Жыл бұрын

Go into IT, people. Does not require high degrees. We need cloud engineers and they pay over 125k to start.

@Mike_Tran Жыл бұрын

I want to transition in to tech but I don’t know where to start. I can’t decide weather to go back to school and get a CS degree or go to a boot camp. Any advice to someone that is a total newbie?

@WeBeatMedicare6969 Жыл бұрын

@@Mike_Tran yes, go back and work on your grammar first so you come across as more intelligent in the office *whether

@Jon-kg6hm Жыл бұрын

Show me these 125k entry level jobs... you're completely exaggerating

@future1670 Жыл бұрын

@@Jon-kg6hmGoogle it, see by yourself,there are many,in tech hub areas

@joseg.2638 Жыл бұрын

@@WeBeatMedicare6969 You make fun of his intelligence, but you failed to add punctuation to your sentence. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@Farmingtoon 2 ай бұрын

3:00 ramsey

@richardm5540 Жыл бұрын

If everyone waited to buy a home debt free .Nobody would buy one.

@martha7811 Жыл бұрын

But does he have a PE? Don't need a grad school degree but can make big money in engineering with a PE

@HHHPedigrees Жыл бұрын

Not every line of work in engineering requires a PE

@martha7811 Жыл бұрын

@@HHHPedigrees Lots of engineering jobs for those without a P.E. But I have found it opens doors and it is nice to have.

@stevenporter863 Жыл бұрын

Caller is not going to do what Dave advised.

@jerrywilliamson2040 Жыл бұрын

Engineers are usually great math tutors

@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Жыл бұрын

They're great at math, but sometimes communicating with non-engineers is a weakness

@hbarudi Жыл бұрын

@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 I am a physics major who can translate advanced mathematical things into simpler language that an average person can understand. Where do I get a job in this area?

@front331 Жыл бұрын

I'm a math major and I agree. Engineers are specially good at computational (applied) math and coding such as MATLAB, Rstudio, LaTex etc.

@kevinb8881 Жыл бұрын

@@front331 I like MATLAB!!!

@jaleesa00 Жыл бұрын

@@hbarudi tutorgigs online

@Beenweenie669 Жыл бұрын

GREENVILLE SC

@MrOfficer235 Жыл бұрын

Sell the masters degree

@juangonzalez4376 Жыл бұрын

He’s engineered a financial NIGHTMARE

@jaleesa00 Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@taje017 Жыл бұрын

😂

@ozicryptoG Жыл бұрын

Depends: Will you be expecting to get a science or engineering honours? Otherwise NO. A bs degree is not worth employment nor an arts degree (a hobby, at best). GROW UP.

@killagilla24 Жыл бұрын

This guy Dave Ramsey is a maniac.

@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Жыл бұрын

Well he is American.

@killagilla24 Жыл бұрын

@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 😂😂😂

@MOZOMUSICOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын

To whom ever is reading this "Nothing is impossible. The word itself says 'I'm possible!'"

@juniordavis168 Жыл бұрын

😆 facts

@alinatamashevich3354 Жыл бұрын

Well said Matt Foley

@keric3730 Жыл бұрын

What can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law

@lukeharris2622 Жыл бұрын

🙏✝️

@juangonzalez4376 Жыл бұрын

If his management team gets wind of his call to the Ramsey show he might become demoted or Fired lol

@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Жыл бұрын

Probably isn't his real name or location.

@regtalkswealth Жыл бұрын

*Go to grad school if its the right decision for you, no one can tell you what path is best for your life*

@stephenshelton4267 Жыл бұрын

Oh for God's sakes. Get over your phobia of the real world already and get out of school.

@maximustrolleus9860 Жыл бұрын

Tbf school are your best yrs of life for majority of ppl. As a 30 yr old, honestly i miss school. 90% of jobs are boring and repetitive and soul crushing.

@RealCivilEngineerGaming. Жыл бұрын

👆📥📱msg Max