If the refs see everything the game would hardly be worth watching. They are human.

Well said, as a fellow Irishman I have to agree the better team won on the day in spite of any wrong decisions that might have been made against either team. England were fantastic on the day, the best I've seen them play in the last 5 years by some distance. I wouldn't be too harsh on the Irish team either because despite being dominated for start to finish they somehow managed to keep themselves in the match and almost pulled off a victory that wasn't really deserved. Congratulations to England on a wonderful performance and also to the green machine for staying in the fight when most other teams would have been blown away.

@@fmully1429 He edited his reply. It was not that well said.

I think it was quite a nice feeling seeing them celebrate like they’d beaten the All Blacks. We’ve come a long way from Will Greenwood scoring in the corner to make the conversion harder for Wilkinson.

But you should have won cause it wasn't a try. That's a FACT 😂

Would love to see another angle on that because what I saw looked bad but what still actually inconclusive about where the contact was made - was it actually shoulder contact?

He didn't make any attempt to wrap so yes it was shoulder, Furlong doesn't go down easily.

@@michaelcasey6546 Ah I see your point. I meant the point of contact. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned too, and also shown from other angles. But that's rugby sometimes.

Officials can only call what they see. We all know that dozens of infringements go unnoticed in every game. If you go back through enough phases NO scores would ever stand. That's why there's a limit. This was outside the limit. Simples.

As a french man that lived the past 6 years in Ireland, that hurts to read that... I wouldn't say I agree, but the Irish were definitely below their level on this game, there's been too much approximations... You'll still get the (well deserved) win though !

I think Lowe had a similar moment against England last year. It happens. And on the 2nd part, couldnt agree more. And I'm so proud of how many fellow irishmen have given England their due on their win. Better team won. And they beat us by playing rugby. As Farrell said, we try to be gracious in victory. Let's be gracious in defeat as well.

@@cheesecake6696 the Lowe try was against France ;-) I remember it too well 😀

@@lysamerekvart9471 it was is right. 👍

NZ scored a try in almost the exact same spot like a minute later from the penalty they got when the try was disallowed so how exactly are you asserting they would have won? Do you think they would have scored a second try because of vibes?

They aren't. If SA try wasn't disallowed... but it was. NZ won the cup for best whingers! - with England close second!

@@vintom7457 also the TMO actually did follow protocol. Many people think that a tackle automatically is a new phase but this isn’t correct. Having looked into the laws, a phase re-starts only when a ruck is formed. A ruck needs a player from BOTH teams on their feet over the tackle. A tackle where the attacking team has a player over the ball on their feet does re-set the offside line but it isn’t actually considered a phase under the laws. Having rewatched that period of play, there were 4 tackles but only 2 where SA had players on their feet which could be classed as a ruck. The try was scored on the 3rd phase and the knock occurred on the 1st phase so they were technically still within the protocol going back 2 phases. Having said that, Barnes did say himself that he would rather that the correct call be made for something so obvious (referring to the knock on) in a final so don’t think him or TMO thought about tackle vs ruck anyway. And regardless, NZ scored a try like 2 minutes later in almost the same spot - Smith disallowed try scored 5m from touchline, Barret scored about 2-3m from touch line. Ultimately the disallowed try didn’t impact the game much anyway as both conversion kicks would have been difficult anyway and no guarantee Moanga kicks it. So to summarise, TMO call was actually within the protocol, correct decision was made on a blatant knock on and NZ scored soon after anyway in a similar position. There was also still over 20min left in the game and NZ got another kick at poles which they also missed. So any complaint by a NZ fan is completely one-eyed.

@@notenoughstones3873 who knows, Wales just scored 2 trys in the last 2 minutes, anything is possible when a team has momentum.

@@geoffnelson6756 I’m confused, wouldn’t New Zealand have the momentum after they scored their try 2 min later? Yet they still weren’t able to score again in the remaining 20 min. Also the logic of “what ifs” you have used seems to contradict the certainty you used earlier in that NZ would have won the WC were it not for the disallowed try. The only impact the disallowed try had was to slightly delay a try being scored by a couple of minutes. Hardly a game changing decision.

It begs the question if there should be further sanction such as a one game ban for such blatancy

@@fasteddie8980 Don't push your luck, mate xD

@@fasteddie8980 It does not beg that question whatsoever. Wtf are you on about? He hasn't hurt anyone 🤣

@@fasteddie8980gway ya clown

​@@fasteddie8980 For going off feet? Would you give over lmao

The little brown envelopes dictate what the see and don't see.

This is just silly, though I would accept that it was an offence and should have been penalised. It's silly because when you look back at this or any game with a fine toothcomb you'd spot many missed offences. Like when the ref missed both Bundee Aki's hands planted firmly on the deck (at 33:25) in his jackal which gave Ireland a penalty to take the lead 8 - 9.

@@JohnSmith-wo2fz People like you destroy the game.

Not so as the ball doesn't touch the ground 😎🤫

@@speak_your_truth. Take another look. Take a few. The ball had hit the ground. He had lost control. The TMO was asleep at the wheel.

Must be bias against the ABs.

World rugby apologised to NZR but typical saffas “were the greatest team in the world” and love to disregard the facts

@@IIIIIlIIl World Cup champions and champions of having the most insufferable fans...

Yup!

​@IIIIIlIIl 35 - 7 in the warmups... I think it's clear the better team won.

That was five phases, but I'm not bitter..............

@@joedennehy386 I haven’t got over 2017 yet! Still doesn’t change result though does it?

The wc final at least they later gifted a try that had a knock and forward pass in the build up, to the ABs, so net net no score line impact whatsoever.

@@bryanantolik9900 no knock on and no forward pass. You must be biased…

​@@ObiePaddles just wanted to mention that.

Ireland had a game plan don't be a fool 😂🤫

@@speak_your_truth. That's why they won is it? The proof is in the pudding. They lost!

Yep.... That's about it....

Absolutely

As an England fan I agree with that. Most of us would have been happy to lose this game as it was a cracker - our gripe with England has been its lack of good rugby rather than the win/loss ratio. Ireland are lovely to watch and the England reaction to winning is the biggest complement really to the Irish lads!

The TMO did look at it, so 🤷‍♂️

And he wasn’t cited so presumably the Irish management have deemed it not an issue

Ye its weird to say TMO can't address that massive grand slam defining error, because protocol so all good And not point out, the try shouldn't have happened. Protocol is fine, assistant ref fucked it. Ireland grand slam.

@@howzitson ah you never know what would've happened. The joy of sport 🙂

Or the Furlong dive? Got to be the worst dive in rugby history hasn't it?

You mean where he did a theatrical dive? It's pathetic that that is creeping into the sport.

We none of us know exactly what happened because we didn't see any other clip than the one doing the rounds. And you should know by now they never cover anything controversial on this slot.

There's a clip clearly showing shoulder contact to head at force. Furlong is static in a ruck guarding position, Genge charges, drops shoulder which contacts Furlongs head. Red card all day. If Genge made dangerous contact to the head, as he clearly did, does Furlongs reaction to it factor into a ruling.......should Furlong be lying prone in a neck brace before decision made......you see where I'm going with this 😅

It has already been cleared by the TMO and it looks like it was a dive.

It can't really be based on phases because it's a tactical advantage at that point. It becomes the responsibility of the attacking team to use that and a tactical advantage can only expire when they are in a substantially better position. That's why lots of advantage in the 22 doesn't end, it's because its a lot harder to reach a better position without scoring a try. It's flawed, but it means that there ends up being a larger safety net to fall back on while attacking.

Especially with Italy playing well now!

2 phases only in the RWC. The TMO in the final broke protocol for the NZ try

@@GBH001 kinda crazy how that could happen in a World Cup Final.

@@GBH001 Incorrect. Only two phases occurred. A phase requires at least one player from both sides of the team standing on their feet contesting the ball at the ruck, only two rucks met this threshold in the lead up to the try. Therefore, only two phases occurred and the TMO was within his power to go back.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@jacquescoetzee47 I’m afraid you’re incorrect. It happened 4 phases prior. Therefore try should have stood

@@willyjohnson444 No, look up the definition of a phase. It begins (and ends) when a ruck is formed, a ruck requires at least one player from both teams to be on their feet contesting the ball. Only two of the breakdowns met that threshold: the tackle on Savea and the tackle on Retallick. The other two didn’t have any South African players contesting on their feet, ergo only two phases occurred.

Did you not listen? The TMO can only go bacl two phases.

TMO can alert the ref to foul or dangerous play at any time after the incident but not for technical offences.

@@ellentronicmistress4969 I was not referring to the last 2 phases - it was more to do with alerting the referee there and then to the issue but now I see that the TMO doesn't have that role - BTW you need to tone it down - yes I saw the video

@@alancoleman6983 You misread my tone apparantly.

i mean if it was f1 players would do something then pass the ball 3 time and score a try

Yes lets keep stopping the game. The refs don't see everything, get over it.

​@@dulls8475there's missing some things and then there's missing one big thing that leads to a try

are you suggesting that every time a try is scored, that the TMOs review every aspect of play back to the previous set piece? ... the 2 phase rule is to make sure that the game is not 4h long, with 70% of the time spent looking at replays... bring AI in in future, and I agree with you, although hopefully then it could be done in realtime (although it will be a while before that tech trickles down to community level!).

How far should we go back when a try is scored? 10 phases? Twenty minutes? How about cjecking every single frame from the start of the game?

Everyone seems to have skipped over this

Nah good reaction worthy of an Oscar. That he got straight up shows it was nothing bit embarrassing really

​@@nickg8571 You clearly haven't watched the slow mo clear head contact

Ask Uncle Bill?

The time is not lost. The clock is stopped.

🪵🥄

They were deciding whether there was a clear try chance on the outside

I'm not taking about them debating I'm talking that it happened on the 74th minute and they didn't still the clock till the 77th minute and award the penalty

Beautiful. And even more so here in South Africa! 😆

They probably speak better English, as well.

Love those Herefords... what?

@@RUBBER_BULLET You are clearly unaware that the steak you had last night was of Hereford origin. Trust me, steak does NOT grow on trees!

@@wouterswanepoel5753 You are clearly unaware of the point that I made.

Calm down bro that doesn’t sound to neutral at all. Sucks that the southern hemisphere still dominate.😢

Only for foul play. That trumps everything.

They haven’t stopped Ireland winning the grand slam. Was a great game tho. Although if ur honest with urself England had the easiest WC imaginable 😂

​​@@SparkWahso what's a Grand Slam and who did SA play to reach the final in 2019, the same SA that failed to score a single try in the quarter, semi and final of 2023 but nothing to see here.

Typical pommie cheaters and always get away with murder every game 😮

Must admit that one jumped out of the screen.

@@knoll9812 I think it's as clear as day, but I have seen anybody mention it anywhere. I have paused the video, and you can clearly see Marler with his two arms around the two Irish players. Furlong does try to gesture to the Ref, but the play moves on, and the try follows.

Exactly. Rugby fans on here talking as stupidly as football fans often do.

Clue !! He is from SA😎

@@dazfromnz01 who is from SA

Probably could refer to the fact that he played the 9 then

Hey lad, it's law 15(12) and(16) also relevant. But ye you can't dove through a ruck to tackle a 9 you have to stay on your feet

@@jeffrey89095 … as I said ‘diving off feet’ is in neither section you quote … and wasn’t the ruck over as the ball had been picked up by the 9?

@@jamesgalloway8835 you have to stay on your feet coming through a ruck under law 15. He did not stay on his feet coming through the ruck he dived through it. Even if the ruck is now over he's still come through it initially off his feet.

@@jamesgalloway8835From my understanding, O'Mahoney is bound to the ruck, so the laws of the ruck still apply to him. He needs to either stay on his feet or roll out of the ruck and get back behind the back foot to be legal.

Agreed it was.

It was a clear line break….. watch it at full speed

Eh, you have as many Kiwis in your starting team as Scotland have South Africans 😂

@@robbiereekie3694 🤣

Irish not French. Doh!

Of course referees should be neutral. Was the same in the World Cup. There should not have been a kiwi reffing SA v ENG when NZ would have preferred to face ENG. On Saturday an ENG refereeing team could help EnG by favouring SCO.

@@patrickmccutcheon9361 What do you mean could? The game was two days ago. Did the English officials team influence the game? Going by the vast comments on social media (from both SH and NH fans), yes the English officials team did influence the game and made sone very strange calls. Most about KD forcing his opinions onto MC. Also, the commentator from the Six Nations highlights package noted the Triple Crown was the only trophy on display at the start of the game. The Six Nations Championship was also on offer and that trophy should also have been displayed at the start of the game if WR and Six Nations LTD want to put an end to conspiracy theories been generated. I agree with you that a NZ ref should not have been in charge of the SA England RWC semi final, especially as NZ were in the other semi final and had booked their place in to the final a day previous. It goes towards the integrity of the game

Exactly what I was thinking, 2 mins to go and he kicks the ball to the Brits , I was wondering if I was crazy or I missed something , as how would someone do something so stupid 🤔

@@richjohn9356 definitely not Crazy that cost us the match and back to back grand slams still can't understand way Murray would kick the ball to England when there was only 2 mins to go and we where winning 😡🤔🏈🇮🇪

Danny Care also did a dumb kick giving Ireland possession a few minutes before the end when England were in good territory. What-ifery is pretty lame, would be good if people could just accept mistakes of players as part of the loss.

Yes, thought we had won when he did that !@@rupey4582

We were close to our posts and I guess in he didn't want to risk us giving away a penalty or knocking on and giving England a scrum.