Should these Chinese cars and bakkies come to SA? China Chat

Should these Chinese cars and bakkies come to SA? China Chat - Episode 2

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Chinese-born South African translator Rob Yao joins us again for episode 2 of this series we've decided to call China Chat. It focuses on everything automotive occurring in China, where Rob has fantastic insights being an interpreter for some Chinese automotive companies.
In this episode, Ciro and Rob discuss how many new models brands like Haval and Chery are making in the next few years as well as which models could be introduced in SA. Then they look at some of the wild and crazy vehicles, particularly in the bakkie segment, that have potential to threaten the likes of the Hilux and Ranger locally.
Let us know what your thoughts in the comments below and as always, like and subscribe so we can get this content out to as many people as possible.
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Chinese cars coming to SA
3:05 - GWM brands
4:27 - Hybrids
7:45 - GWM models coming
10:26 - Rob’s credentials
13:00 - Chinese market
15:00 - Haval H5
17:11 - Toyota Coaster
18:00 - MPV’s
19:00 - Importing cars
22:00 - Li Xiang
25:00 - Battery swop
28:00 - Wey
28:40 - Zeekr
31:00 - China’s manufacturing
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@000T00b 3 ай бұрын

Ciro, you and Rob need to take a tour of China to actually show these things he is describing. THAT would be awesome to watch!

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Honestly this is my dream and we are gonna work towards it!

@BenjaminMalatji247 3 ай бұрын

Totally, I agree. I would even tag along just be an audience there as well 😉👍🏾

@arminius6506 3 ай бұрын

There are multiple English language KZfaq channels & Twitter accounts about the Chinese car market and you can get comprehensive information if you follow them.

@MasoodGool 3 ай бұрын

Call the show "What's Up My China?" 😂

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Better than Wassup my Chigga haha

@EYSSEN2001 3 ай бұрын

He sounds like a South African 😊 love the content

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Thanks man👍

@nokocambelngoasheng9279 3 ай бұрын

Jeremy Clarkson said "most people in future will be driving Chinese cars" and it's happening faster than he predicted. They laughed at GWM but now they are in disbelief of how much progress it has made. Its good to see many well known brands owners trading in for GWM vehicles. It also hurts when some guys be spending 1million for a plastic interior compared to a R700k car with all bells and whistles.

@TD1237 3 ай бұрын

Yeah seriously. I'm grateful we live somewhere where we get these cars, too. They just make so much more sense than the European offerings.

@Galaxyeyez 3 ай бұрын

I'm reminded of that episode every time I see a Haval for the 6th time in a day. A actual prediction from Clarkson that actually held up. Unlike the V12 statement lol

@antonburger01 3 ай бұрын

This man sounds like a Chinese Afrikaner, very interesting accent. I love all South African accents. I really hoped the Tank vehicles would be cheaper. Looks like a good a alternative to other similar priced 4x4's though.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Buy a H6 Hybrid, the fuel savings will offset your installments

@sandilemajiya7831 3 ай бұрын

This guy is very informative. I love cars

@Kragkreef 3 ай бұрын

Title: What's up my China!

@hourbee5535 3 ай бұрын

Our warm relationship with China necessitates doing business and bring these fine vehicles to SA.

@etienne6641 3 ай бұрын

I recommend your guys go to the Guangzhou Auto show 15-17 May. Can see current and future models all under one roof.

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

I really want to go!

@etienne6641 3 ай бұрын

@@CiroDeSiena although you are close to the Chinese visa centre in Cape Town you can now apply online for a business visa with speedy results. Set some time apart to see the city as well as there is a lot to see, do and lot to eat 🤤

@heinrethasangerhaus4242 3 ай бұрын

Cant wait for episode 3. Thank you Rob and Ciro.

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it 😊

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Thanks man, suggestions also welcome

@tsoalediwilliam1715 2 ай бұрын

The show was informative, I loved it, can't wait for next episode. Call it China Power (Poer)

@vuyisilelobi6297 3 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the episode i want more 🤩🤩

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

We will make more for sure Mr

@Mzwandile_Makhowane 3 ай бұрын

Refined naturals. Quite a splendid series this is becoming, already.

@mindfreeze0838 3 ай бұрын

I like this series alot, its given me alot of insight into the Chineese work ethic, why and how they change names(its alot better than what the usual suspects have done and I still call the P Series a Cannon because its a much better name)and the cars were missing out. That 9-6-9 work ethic and the morning meeting ethic are some of the reasons why they can push out more products in a short period of time(6 months for a change on a model versus a year or more for the usual suspects because of all the beurocracy and fiefdoms they have). Keep this series going!

@user-hn6om3zt8o 3 ай бұрын

That WEY looks beautiful.

@LindemanRichard 3 ай бұрын

yes，but it has been cut by GWM

@jeffreyjeff1059 3 ай бұрын

Great content ❤❤❤❤

@mochox 3 ай бұрын

Exceptionally informative and quite an eye opener! Amazing transition of the Chinese products. What's very impressive is the culture of discipline and productivity and the result it achieves. The SA workforce could take some inspiration from them. 996 and 007😮

@Carscoza 3 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! We are learning a lot too!

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, I'm so glad you found it interesting. I am learning so much, loving it

@kyyyy21 3 ай бұрын

Ciro please have an open day at your offices during the weekend, I don't get time off in the week so I can't come view it.. Would love to meet you and the team on a Saturday

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Funnily enough working on this today. Will make it known on our socials if we go ahead. Thank you for your interest

@user-cp6lc8lo3b 3 ай бұрын

❤❤❤ Good content😂😂😂😂😊

@moeketsithakadi3574 3 ай бұрын

I am Harrismith near Wimpy😂. Love this show

@moeketsithakadi3574 3 ай бұрын

Amazing 2nd show

@gopolangmotswai6945 3 ай бұрын

great content. book his return flight already. keep it rolling.

@nox6885 3 ай бұрын

Hi guys. The show should be called "Enter the Dragon", because of Bruce Lee but also because the Chinese automotive industry is entering markets at an astonishing rate. Plus, Dragons to Chinese people are a sign of strength.

@neshnesh4633 3 ай бұрын

I think we should start making our own cars😂

@nedyahyakcam 3 ай бұрын

We can't even make our own electricity

@neshnesh4633 3 ай бұрын

@@nedyahyakcam eish

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

@@nedyahyakcam😂 true that but we can sell to neighbouring countries 😂

@francoisrossouw1656 3 ай бұрын

Very interesting series

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

So glad you think so

@arminius6506 3 ай бұрын

MPV is considered as a status symbol car in China. Rich people don't like to derive in flashy cars like Rolls Royce. Li One is a PHEV which is luxurious SUV which can do a little bit off road. He mixed Li One with Nio because it's Nio who does bettery swapping. Edit : Talking about higher labour cost, China is bigger than European continent and also has a population bigger than Europe and North America combined so there are plenty of areas where people aren't rich and willing to work long hours within China so most of Chinese manufacturing is getting shift to interior or central China where BYD is also making all their cars batteries and second is Vitenam and third is Mexico.

@mcebisisifundisetshula2207 3 ай бұрын

He's English is the best in class.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Thanks man, I try, but I think my English is as good as it would ever get now, I still have a bit of accent but people understand me, so it’s good enough for me😊

@hantusmostert 3 ай бұрын

Hey South Africa, What about a Springbok bakkie, proudly made in SA

@giofyocars8581 3 ай бұрын

If Li Xiang made fully electric cars, would they end up being bigger than BYD based on market share?

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Not a chance, they don’t really make cheaper cars for the general public at the moment, so they don’t really move volume.

@simphiwem9674 3 ай бұрын

I was a bit unsure about Chinese cars until I got into a GT6 and the GWM bakkie...considering the state of our economy, I'd opt for them any day of the week.

@simphiwem9674 2 ай бұрын

@labourlawact7826 Wow are they that bad? I had my suspicions but I had no knowledge or proof of any issues

@Ilikepie18855 Ай бұрын

@@labourlawact7826hey buddy, I remember you, you still here bashing Chinese haha, well guess it's not without a reason. I had a brief engagement with you on the gwm p series 2-3 years back on this channel. I actually went and bought the p series 4x4 LT. It's going 3 years old but only 49k km now, so still new and low mileage, vehicle has been 100% solid so far, zero issues. Tech is miles ahead of my 2015 Amarok 132kw, however the Amarok still has superior ride Quality, the acceleration and power from Amarok is still miles ahead. But happy with the p series, keeping it until the P500 series comes out. Gwm Boksburg gave me 7 years unlimited km warranty.

@NigelWilliamsonXO 2 ай бұрын

Great series, keep it coming, especially cutting edge topics like the coverage on charging vs battery swapping. Interested to hear more on the topic of launch material and spec sheets (Ciro mentioned in a review this is not really available to SA) Heard that GWM uses Australia to test or identify SA market fit, is this true and why ? Do all chinese brands do this ?

@mkhuselimgedu2430 3 ай бұрын

@Ciro, thank you once again for the informative sit down with Rob 🙌🏽. Apart from that, just wanted to say you’re very cool and amiable guy, I appreciate short walk-about at your nice offices this morning, offered me coffee and also for the great advice too. The studio set-up with the display cars 👌🏽. People are missing out here.

@litingliang870 3 ай бұрын

h5 will be great car for sa. For work, family……cant wait for gwm sa to it

@MondliMakhoba-md3sq 3 ай бұрын

And he said its a size of Cadillac Escalade I'm so jealous but I want it bad 😕😔

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

And in China it only sells for 500k, I think in S.A it would go for 700k

@MondliMakhoba-md3sq 3 ай бұрын

@@Rob_Yao We need it

@user-zu3ik7bf3s 3 ай бұрын

PLZ talk about the Tank 500 and luxeed s7

@peacewithyou503 3 ай бұрын

Like the value for money. Waiting forJAC Hunter, the hybrid bakkie.

@ndodangcobo5131 3 ай бұрын

Chinese cars are improving at an alarming rate and may overtake establish brands sooner that we think.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Don’t see how’s that alarming, I think improvements creates competition and benefits the end user which is the general public.

@Thulebeez 3 ай бұрын

The is one Chinese car MPV i want and like is the Denza D9 that thing is beautiful. BYD must bring it to SA but the EV model

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

I just Googled it, looks good, very similar to Alphard/Lexus though

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Agreed! The Denza is very comfy well spec’ed and beautiful

@JacquesLouw1 3 ай бұрын

New show name: "Howzit my China!" :)

@DuitserSwart 3 ай бұрын

Very good idea thanks Ciro lol, the cars are great value and look good with good warranties. However, what cocerns a lot of potential buyers are what happens after the warranty expires. Will they inspire confidence with the next buyer when the car is 5 years old with 150 000km on. And will parts be an issue, spoke to a panelbeater once, he reckons parts is a problem.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Parts are not issues, only time could tell about the durability

@charlsteyn3566 3 ай бұрын

Can we expect lower prices on hybrid cars from China in the near future?

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

I think prices will be very competitive but inflation in SA is ruthless

@charlsteyn3566 3 ай бұрын

Thanks, yes, makes sense. But we can dream...

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

When more Chinese Hybrid electric vehicles on the South African market then the price will come down due to competition, yet again only Chinese OEMs can compete with each other on pricing

@MondliMakhoba-md3sq 3 ай бұрын

The P series, the Poer King Kong and P500 are different utes In South Africa we don't have the Poer King Kong but it's available in Kazakhstan Looks larger than the P series but smaller than the P500 Don't know if I'm making sense

@Ilikepie18855 Ай бұрын

Yes. I think they are different. The P500 is the gwm Shanhai cannon. I don't even know if the King Kong is for sale, I heard it's design for USA to compete against F150. Wish they bring to Mandela land

@giofyocars8581 3 ай бұрын

How are the sales of the Cannon King Kong in China, are they similar to the ranger raptor in south africa?

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Yes they are, but just a lot cheaper

@etienne6641 3 ай бұрын

The China Wheels show

@etienne6641 3 ай бұрын

Note that China already have humanoid robots that start working in factories (similar to the one Tesla is developing).

@manimalworks7424 3 ай бұрын

Chery Fengyun A8 (sedan, not SUV) has reached over 2000km range fully charged and a tank of gas.

@bhekumuzimaphosa6523 3 ай бұрын

Will this mean more opportunities for people who want to enter the car sales industry?

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Opportunities are always there for people who are capable and with a passion for any industries

@Patshes 3 ай бұрын

🆒😎👍!

@dalehopley1363 3 ай бұрын

ChinaChat 🤩

@malibongwemsomi2230 3 ай бұрын

China Chat, china watch

@neomoloi8228 3 ай бұрын

On the Great wall

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

No ways I ve actually climbed the Great Wall of China, you go try it, so steep, not for the faint hearted

@kaizert1909 3 ай бұрын

What about hot hatches? Any Chinese hot hatches?

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Very good idea for a future episode! But I think Zeekr makes a hot hatch. Google Kimi Raikonnen Zeekr

@leevan-N 3 ай бұрын

I would buy the LIXIANG ONE

@ccnel4804 3 ай бұрын

Call the show "What's new my China"

@carlylefortune852 2 ай бұрын

Awesome video... But this guys accent is confusing, I hear Asian and Coloured lol

@AwkwardLeon69420 3 ай бұрын

@kennywentzel9103 3 ай бұрын

Ciro is geely coming back to SA

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Yes I think so, will confirm

@kennywentzel9103 3 ай бұрын

@CiroDeSiena thank you ciro

@siyaz911 Ай бұрын

I'm late to the party but "ekse China" is very much south african street wise lingo 😅

@leevan-N 3 ай бұрын

Can i have the Zeerk 001 and XIAOMI SU7 Please please please

@DrRay06 3 ай бұрын

Great content guys, we love and appreciate your work. I think China had always had the capacity to make quality products but maybe for some profits reasons they opted for cheaper. Waiting for episode 3

@mpilozungu2022 3 ай бұрын

This China-man has a bit of a coloured accent.... But anyway back to the cars now...

@clintwilliams411 3 ай бұрын

I noticed the same thing🤣🤣

@nedyahyakcam 3 ай бұрын

In the first episode he said he has lived here for half his life

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Hey guys, Rob here, I ve even been to Mitchell’s Plain and really enjoy Gatsbys

@beyondtshenolo 2 ай бұрын

PodCarst and China

@manimalworks7424 3 ай бұрын

Summary: For the same quality, Chinese cars have better price. And for the same price, Chinese cars offer better quality.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Truth🙌

@mazibukomail 3 ай бұрын

Id simply call it, "Focus on China"

@evanvandieman 3 ай бұрын

What happens to the European and Chinese brands post 2030 when their populations go into free fall? Can they successfully export the manufacting to Africa?

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Population don’t have much to do with production, automotive production actually doesn’t need much manual labour.

@evanvandieman 3 ай бұрын

@@Rob_Yao on the flip side with a population decline there is less consumers and therefore condition like what is starting to occur in Japan.

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Yeah so many kindergarteners closed down in China in the past two years actually

@leratomotsumi7090 3 ай бұрын

Call it "east to south'

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Also not bad, because I now live in JHB east rand and filming in Cape Town is also going to the south in a way 😂

@nedyahyakcam 3 ай бұрын

@@Rob_Yao as someone who comes from the east rand (and managed to escape to civilization) I wouldn't admit to living in the east rand🤣🤣

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

@@nedyahyakcam 😂😂😂

@liaanbeukes7245 3 ай бұрын

Ciro, Would you buy/own a chinese brand?

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

Yes the first Chinese car that I thought about buying for myself was the Chery Tiggo 7

@liaanbeukes7245 3 ай бұрын

@@CiroDeSiena Thanks for the response. Def looking forward to Ep3

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Tank 300 PHEV🙌

@ralph.n.fuuyuni9631 3 ай бұрын

is it just me Rob accent comes of as if he wants to speak Afrikaans

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

I studied at Tuks, I think that’s also why 😅

@ralph.n.fuuyuni9631 3 ай бұрын

@@Rob_Yao makes sense now because as i Namibian i can relate

@kalomboC 3 ай бұрын

Title: Xinhua2Mzansi

@NeoLennyShoroma-tf5fc 3 ай бұрын

They come build us solar charging stations we want electric cars

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Google Redstone solar plant northern cape

@BartSaiyan Ай бұрын

You should call it SUM TING WONG and explain why almost ALL the Chinese brands have the worst after sales and overall support in SA. No sense in having a cheap car that has all the bells and whistles whilst the warranty and after sales is a joke.

@Ilikepie18855 Ай бұрын

No ways, BMW definitely tops out as the worst. I have a gwm p series and been to 3x different gwm dealers for services, nothing but good service. But then again I never had warranty claims.... Who knows.

@thabomphuthi9739 3 ай бұрын

Wow if Chinese motors are not specifically designed to stand test of times of South African roads, I then understand why are those cars look poorly designed for South African roads

@MangoFIlms_CH 3 ай бұрын

Try selling a Chinese car used!!!!!! Worse than a 25 year old Peugeot.

@CiroDeSiena 3 ай бұрын

We'd love to hear more about your experience

@Rob_Yao 3 ай бұрын

Yeah China definitely has produced some shocking quality cars in the past, but I do think quality is improving on the newer cars and second hand value is holding better now