You’re spot on mate, very well put! 9 times out of 10 it’s the set ups fault not the battery

Appreciate it legend!

Thanks mate! They are decent to be honest

Appreciate it mate no worries

You’re correct mate. Use their inverters in our work cars and they get abused. Never had one fail

Good stuff mate!

That’s it man. Look at Lukey go, getting the right gear

Thanks for the sub legend! They have really stepped their game up!

The victron, my fridge, all my lighting and soon an inverter

Under the wings should be fine mate, not really a hot space. To avoid anything could cut out a slot in the wings and add a vent!

That’s awesome mate, good setup!

Ive seen the video you're talking about, and strangely his was 4 cells in series, i purchased one and also took it apart and mine was 8 cells in a series parallel configuration. Mine also tested up at 132ah before the inverter i was using as a load, shut off at 11v. What i am disappointed in is the 60ah battery, it tested to a fantastic 67ah, however it wont take a charge now, even after the jump start techniques and bench power supplies, i have determined the bms is dead. Ive had it 3 days and planned on using it to run a trolling motor this weekend

@@lexicase8805 Warranty claim on the 3 day old 60 Ah? If so, how did you go?

@petcuyvers yeah after they apparently tested it in store for an hour they couldn't get it to work either, so they wanted to send it away for inspection and further testing but Australia consumer law states that dead on arrival goods, you're entitled to a refund or replacement with a new item so after threatening a case with them, they replaced it on the spot and the new one is from a different batch number and works perfectly. Runs the 24Lb watersnake for a good 6 hours no trouble and tested at 60ah, once it was trickle charged to allow the bms to balance the cells. Charging at 20a the bms cut off at 14.1v so there was a decent imbalance. But at 100ma overnight, it accepted a further 7ah and now reliably charges at 30a all the way to 14.6v and yields 67.2ah

Yeah my bad 🤣

You can do it, it won’t damage anything but you may get an in-balance in the batteries

@@MulletOnTour when you say imbalance in the battery what do you mean?

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Not anymore, early ones use to cause small fires

no cobalt, no worries.

@@asedcopfwhat’s Colbat?

Co-blat is what is not found in Lifepo4, and likes to burn 😄@@MulletOnTour

Lifepo4 cells/batteries are a relatively safe chemistry, I have seen a couple of vids of them catching fire after some very serious abuse with a crowbar puncturing a cell several times or multiple drill holes through a cell (Will Prowse had one catch fire doing this), but that is extreme abuse. Lithium-Ion cells/batteries contain cobalt which have a history of potential thermal runaway incidents, case in point: many EV’s catch fire. Cobalt has a nasty habit of spontaneously combusting when exposed to high temperatures & air.

Legend!!

The kings 120ah lithium would be perfect, more than enough. Make sure to have a solar panel so it charges when car isn’t running! A fold out one from kings or xtm are a cheap suitable option!!

@@MulletOnTour Thanks for that - appreciate the feed back

Yeah man we now have them in the work utes the old man gave in 🤣

Yeah you’re right, always be weary and double check everything!

They’re actually pretty decent! Have many kings inverters too and they never fail!

hahahah I love kings gear great stuff don't know what people doing with there battery's but I can't fault them hade kine for 2 years now and still going

Using too much amperage from the battery has caused fires in hit past too

Very unwise for anyone to consider using any lithium battery without using a BMS, I know they do this in the audio industry a bit & I think they are looking for big trouble in the long run. Along with a battery BMS you will also need a proper controller for DC-DC input or solar charging of course.

@@MulletOnTourif the battery is half decent it should have enough protections in the BMS to mitigate such issues, fires starting due to high amp draw is probably more likely due to poor wiring, fusing, connections or components beyond the (Lithium) battery. I am not saying to do this, but if internal connections & BMS are okay, you should be able to do a quick dead short without causing any harm to the battery as the BMS should mitigate this and shut down requiring you to give it a jump start to get the BMS active again.

Exactly right mate

AGM batteries aren’t even close to lithium batteries. Majority will not withstand a full discharge. AGMs are damaged when discharge below 50%, in most cases. I’ve done my research and also work on the field man

@@MulletOnTour I work in the field to, probably for longer than you’ve been on this earth. I never said anything about agm being equivalent to lithium, because they’re not, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Quality agms can have a 80% dod capacity without causing any significant problems when recharged and cared for properly, I don’t know what brands you’ve been dealing with, the 50% rule is more important with flooded lead acid batteries. As with all batteries, even lifepo4 the deeper the depth of regular discharge the less cycles you’ll get out of a battery. The inaccuracy I was referring to was how you said that lifepo4 batteries would catch fire or explode.

Wow someone read a brochure good job mate, DM me privately on insta and I can explain the components in a detailed version, instead of just giving everyone and quick understanding

Let’s make it a drinking game, every time I say it take a drink 🤣

How so mate?

No need for the hate man, just giving people a basic insight. Yes they probably have a cheaper BMS but it’s still a BMS works the same as all the others. You probably don’t even know what A1 cell means. “They draw a lot of power” is a simple term for the people at home watching. They don’t have the best compressors in them, meaning they draw lots of current when the compressor needs to kick in. If you want actual figures let me know I can send them in

There are plenty of other videos available that provide in-depth information about the type of cells and BMS (Battery Management System) used by Kings Batteries. However, this particular video is not one of them. It's just a young person sharing his 12-volt setup. There's no need to be negative or bitter about it before you run your mouth do some research cobber 👍

I have seen several teardowns and capacity tests on these batteries & cells. The cells look and performed perfect, capacity was always good to somewhat above spec and they generally use a reasonable quality JBD BMS that also performs well to above spec. There was one test & teardown that the reviewer failed, the battery performed flawlessly in all area’s except one terminal post was a bit hotter than the other and on further inspection was found to have a internal connecting bolt that was not torqued properly, so he failed it, even though it did pass the capacity test while pulling 200A continuously, the bolt was not that loose and was siliconed to help stop it from loosening anymore and I have come across this in other battery brands, so not just Kings. Kings probably sell 100 x more batteries at this price, so you could expect them to have more bad reviews, but not necessarily because the product is any worse than anyone else. I bought 3 x 48v Seplos “Suntorque” 5.12 kWh home batteries less than 2 years ago and all 3 have failed, these are supposed to be a quality battery & BMS with a 10 year warranty, 2 of these batteries are now at 59% & 74% SOC respectively, while the 3rd battery just died recently, suspected BMS failure, so that will cost $300 to send back for repair under warranty, while the other 2 I will test for faulty cells and they will be sent to & replaced by me. No one would expect to get the best cells in the cheapest batteries on the market, & I have to agree with MOT that you probably have no idea what an A1 cell is, as EVE cells are made for EV’s and dont come with posts or threads in their original form, which means the only batteries containing EVE cells that you could give an A1 grade are in EV’s. EVE cells do not have a manufacturers grade system other than they pass or fail for EV use, and while they can fail for any or many reasons for EV use, they are still very acceptable as a storage grade battery.

@@Warhorse469appreciate it mate. Didn’t want to go into depth. Wanted a simple video people could understand