^ THIS. Ebay back in the day used to get all these damn court cases about screwed up items until they finally said, "enough of this shit," and launched a bunch of buyer protection programs. Now, I feel fully safe ordering from Ebay and in all my time ordering with them, I've only ever had one item be, "not as listed," which was a 980 Ti. And even then, the buyer was super nice. Gave me a refund without asking for the item back or anything. (Actually I tried to take it down to a repair shop so he wouldn't have to refund all of it at least, but he just wanted to be done with it. lol)

Yeah, it literally says "Buyer Protection" all over the place.

@@arnox4554 yea some of these sellers are shady

@@joshuamorris9050 And you also get shady buyers to be fair........

just make sure to take pictures of everything when opening the boxes. then you have more chance of getting your money back with "not as listed"

The 1st step is to contact the seller and ask for a refund because the CPU had missing pins, If they say no, file a complaint with eBay and they will side with you over this and you will get a refund! About the only way eBay my not side with you, would be if you waited a long while before you claimed the CPU had bent pins. I am not sure if they still do, but I remember in the past eBay would wait up to 2 weeks before the funds of a sale on electronics was made available to the seller.

Jay is so freaking uninformed in anything that escapes his tiny bubble, it's almost comical...

yep Ebay has safeguards in it's sales so that you can get recomped when things go bad with what you bought. It's almost never buyer beware, more like the oppisite

@@YOEL_44 even in his tiny bubble he doesn’t know much, I mean come on, what was the first amd overclocking video

agree, ebay buyer protection is if you receive an item and it is "not as described" ie working. you get a refund.

I had a guy start texting me angerly about the ram i sold him being bad. I knew it was good so I ignored it and later he said it was ok.

My guy. I literally just got a free GPU and RAM because I tried to buy a used tower and the seller wrapped a linen sheet around it and put it in an oversized box. Box was dropped in shipping, case feet caved in, screws sheared off backplate, PCI-E slot ripped halfway off. It may even be repairable, but i got it for free because it's not worth it for them to pay $60 to ship back a gamble

yeah that No Returns" is if the product is as presented used But Good this was obviously NOT Good and Damaged.

@@AlbertoMartinez765 They can say no returns all they want, but if its described as working and is not, that sellers no returns just got thrown out the window, Ebay will make him refund the buyer or well ebay will refund the buyer and seller has to fight ebay on it.

As these two other commenters have said here, the "no returns" thing is in a situation where it's "oh no, I bought the wrong thing" or whatever, it has nothing to do with defective parts, which would obviously be covered by buyer protection.

what if the sellers says, when i send it, the pins were ok

yea ebay is pretty legit, especially nowadays, one of my favorite places to shop

The only issue is people abuse the fuc out of it...they use the items then get 30 days to return it. So..

@@floridalottery3134 It's the same for retailers in my country. Everything you buy online in Europe has at least 14 days return without questions asked policy.

@@floridalottery3134 It's 180 days for Paypal, and people will wait 179 days to ask for a refund. :(

@@floridalottery3134 part of the reason why i don't like selling on ebay for all the stuff i don't need rather scrap the stuff

Yeah i'm not sure why he was saying that you couldn't get your money back. Ebay has a reputation for siding with buyers when it comes to refunds.

it's so amazing that it's a scammer paradise. ppl just take your shit and get refund

When it's that amazing to the point of being abusive, they did not get it right. And thats exactly what happened. There is so much buyer protection that seller has zero recourse for anything: buyer can literally claim anything and get his/her money back and seller would have to spend a fortune on a lawyer to do anything (even with all the proper proof). I've sold on ebay for nearly a decade and it's turned into scammers paradise for buyers (used to be sellers). I don't think a middle ground will ever exist because someone always wants to screw someone else over.

@@NM-vw6xqthe middle ground would be for EBay to spend their own money and hire (a lot) of teams of mediators to oversee each case. This will probably never happen, as I imagine that would seriously cut into their margins.

@@nathannewell3327EBay is also making their sellers pay for it now, so EBay is no longer a platform worth selling on for the little guy unless you want to lose 15% on a sale. Local marketplace and Craigslist it is for me.

yeah isn't it B450 and X470 for 2- 3000 ryzen?..

Yeah, I was scrolling to see a comment saying this if not I would've said it myself.

@@chloedevereaux1801 Even the 500 series motherboards - you had to do a BIOS update to get Ryzen 5000 chips to work on earlier X570 and B550 boards

A320/B350/X370 was 1Gen native. ryzen 1000 (A320 came out before even ryzen for last gen A processors like the A12-9800) B450/X470 was 2Gen nelative ryzen 2000 A520/B550/X570 was native for 3Gen Ryzen 3000 Ryzen 4000/5000 didnt get new motherboards. X570 is the only one with Full support of all generations. A520/B550 usually does not support 1/2gen + 3gen APUs, but i reality they can run but with mixed results (unstability, non working m.2) Some older boards lose support for older cpus if updated to newer bios, some should but does not. some can be flashed back to older bios, some dont allow it. Its messy in reality with AM4 but thats what You get if you support so much generations.

He should have taken this board and flashed it to 5000 series and purchased a used 5600/5600X for much greater perf on the cheap.

Never buy an AM4 cpu that doesn't have photos of the pins in the listing, unless the box is still sealed.

@@rbitrossome if anything marked working comes damaged you can use ebays protection. they *usually have no reason to send you broken stuff. (surprised jay did as I've bought a more than a few cpus and never had an issue)

I'm pretty sure he did it on purpose think someone has never used ebay to buy parts

And read it carefully I was looking at some. Used cpus and someone was selling just the box for like 100.00.

The "no return" thing is only if you *want* to return the item, just like the power supply vendor could have done with their PSU. If it's defective, the buyer protection applies.

Jay Needs Alcohol again🤣🤣

I got gtx 1080 mini for 15,500 yen or about 110 us dollars. My 14yo son is enjoying his gaming on his 4th gen used pc with a much greater and better gpu than the old 2nd hand 1060 3gb i bought about 6 months or more before i got the 1080 mini. The 1060 3gb was enough but my 12yo daughter is wanting her own gaming pc, so, i transfered the 1060 3gb on a supposed 7th gen pc i was building for myself,which have the expensive stuff as second hand but the new on cheaper ones like case,fans,ram,etc. So, i am back on my old 3rd gen pc. But i am planning to go for 10th or 11th gen, after i finished building the 9th gen pc for my son's 15th bday which is coming soon...

I have a feeling that occurred when the seller was yanking the card out of his system. The backplate I agree is a touch-n-go type thing. In the past, I've had plates that needed to be bent to fit inside some horrible PCs we had to work on. We got some white-box PCs from a local builder that came in with no video cards and only the CD-drive, hard disk, motherboard and RAM. We had the fun of finishing off the machines for the customers because that required adding in a standard video card plus a Broadway MPEG decoder. The video card had to be matched with the Broadway card and that wasn't always possible, so we stocked the video cards separately and bought the cheap generic white boxes. These cases were horrible and so was the build. I made many recommendations to management to ditch the supplier because we had some cards actually fall out of slots and the motherboards weren't always grounded! When an expensive video capture card fried due to falling out of the slots, the boss was told to forget his friendship with the PC-supplier and find someone else. This was back in the 1990s and the card from ///Fast AG cost $25K USD. Today, we use USB cables and cheaper cameras. Back then, the camera was also in the $25K range and the video quality was adequate for VHS tapes. We also had a backplate that was bent, not because it wouldn't fit properly due to the cheap case. That card we were told was dropped. From the outside appearances, the card looked okay. Who knows what the problem was but the card ended up being scrapped. In the end, the PC supplier went belly up a short time after the company pulled its contract.

had to of been in shipping that deflated air packing shows it, shitty shipping on the seller

@@HkRose Nope. He said the listing showed the bent bracket.

@@Clavichordist If the seller didn't use a open bench rack, than I doubt that the bending happened this way. It would most likely bend outwards. This card fell on the slot tab of the front plate and absorbed just enough energy. At the presumed angle it fell backwards on its PCB. Maybe the screws on the back provided just enough clearance or the card fell on a carpet.

@@WirrWicht The plate didn't get bent to make the card fit, I agree but if he just yanked the card out of a computer without care, that could also bend the tabs. There really are so many possibilities for a bend or a twist. May be Jay should set up a drop test to see which drop, fall, pull test causes the issue. 🙂

very VERY small price to pay if you find good deals. There are certain parts I would buy new even if looking for used deals.

I've spent close to 14k on used parts on ebay and can't think of a time I've lost money, sure I've had faulty stuff but ebay have always sided with me and got my money back

@@yahyasajid5113 jay doesn’t know that

@@yahyasajid5113 Can only agree! As long as you don't tamper with the item and are able to describe the issue. And yeah, feels like PayPal loves to side with the customer. Had some annoying ones and always had a tough time convincing PayPal of my PoV.

*looks at my ebay parts pc "it okay buddy, you ain't scrap."

Same, I sometimes get a car ot two full of PCs that would otherwise get scrapped by companies. Some are older Phenom2/APU/1st gen, most are 3rd/4th gen Intel but I also got a A320M+ 3200G and a X99 with i7 5930X.

Yea but he bought them months ago.

@@LKLM138 yes I am aware I watched the video released after this one

It would have been wild if Steve came out with a video saying that it was indeed his sale. 😁 Also, if you do choose to buy used you can somewhat protect yourself by demanding proof of testing/condition. -- Photos of the CPU and pins at high resolution showing straight pins AND a video where they flip the chip over in front of the camera so you can see the serial number correlated to the pin condition. This prevents them using a pair of pictures of the serial they send you and pins from another chip. Plus a full CPUz report. -- Drive usage test results that show uptime/usage statistics and serial number. And of course photos of the specimen. -- GPUz report from the GPU in question showing the serial number. And photos of course. -- Motherboard/CPU/GPU inventory compared to the "in this box" list you can get from the manual, which should be publicly available online. And photos that include the serial number. -- RAM serial numbers and SPD information from CPUz. This will prove functionality as well as specs. If the seller balks at producing ANY of these, walk away. A good seller will take the time to produce proof, especially since most of these only take a few minutes to generate.

Ebay has a buyer protection plan, so if you do buy used, it would be covered. Two different times, I had to use this guarantee. One with a CPU that had bent pins. Shipped it back for free, had a brand new one shipped to me. The second one was a GPU. I paid for a RX 6700XT, and received a RX 6500. Big difference in cards. Put in a claim, shipped it back and got a refund.

the cpu is missing pins🤣🤣

1 in 100 dodgy listing is a lot lol

Yeah same here in the Netherlands, great community of hardware sellers

@@BeeWarrior_ That's the risk with the second hand market but you can check every users feedback and there's a thread where peopoe report dodgy people so it's overall very safe if you just do your research on the seller. I've never been scammed there and I've bought A LOT of stuff through that forum.

Same in Sweden with Sweclockers.

Can you please share with me some websites of those trusted markets? I live in germany and I've never bought tech stuff from its Ebay or FB-Marketplace, so I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU from there. If sellers in Finland ship to germany, I'd like to buy from there.

meh new always work's kid.🤣🤣🤣

But the world is not USA, where I live there is no ebay. Here i can only trust in the seller that he is not a scammer

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue you look middle aged yet you post emotes with every comment it's embarassing honestly.

It’s just a propaganda piece from some old out of touch dude.

may not be so easy if the packages were laying around unopened for a month+ waiting for the video to be made

I love jay but i don't really think this is a fair assessment here, Ebay terms state that all items have to be sold as described and if they arrive doa or in this case with broken pins, then jay has 30 days (from the estimated delivery date) to open a SNAD dispute where he can return the item and ebay will assess if it really was a DOA arrival (And with jay unboxing it on camera like this, the seller doesn't have a leg to stand on)

@@dl4523 are you ok?

@@dl4523 Honestly man it IS borderline propaganda, but that's what I've come to expect from any tech reviewer. They all have their own person angle, and of course can't forget their sponsors.

Also as others stated ebay byer protection is pretty damn good now. It's not the wild west it used to be.

Honestly Jay can get his money back from Ebay if he talks to them about the CPU not working. He has video evidence that it was damaged and he even tried to trouble shoot. Not only would Ebay protection help, but if he had bought it with PayPal he would've gotten his money back already just starting a claim. I always sell my used parts on Ebay and make sure I describe as much as possible. So far I have only had happy customers.

@@Nighterlev No I mean since he made the video, he would've gotten it relatively quickly. He has proof, he is a known entity, etc. IT wont be instant no, but by if he did it before posting the video it would have probably been over by the time the video was posted.

Yes exactly, the benefits outweigh the risks if you know what you're doing. I built my first ever PC a few weeks ago and I also mixed used and new parts.

I prefer to wait 1 year to buy new products, than buying used a few months. I just dont like being sloppy second.

is Steve selling drives?☺🤣

you have to be even more careful buying in person. I prefer to see it working before I buy from someone locally.

Maybe he's just ignorant about how ebay works (because he doesnt buy from it)?

Idk if I'd consider it "fear mongering". I doubt he's deliberately trying to scare people away from using ebay. He probably just isn't aware you can return things. I just found it out as well from the comment section.

I think the point is that you're still taking a chance on the actual item you get. For instance, when covid first became a thing and everyone started working from home, I know a lot of people who scrambled to buy or build computers to use at home, some with less than a week's notice. That money back guarantee doesn't automatically provide you with the component you need when you actually need it. If time isn't an issue, then sure, you can take chances on potentially risky items with the assurance that you won't lose your money. But if time matters, you're going to end up doing what he did and try to get a replacement part. That all factors in to the experience, and I think it's worth at least pointing out, especially since this whole video is geared toward inexperienced builders.

@@SunshineDeluxe he wrote off the CPU when you could send it back. He also wrote off the power supply when you can send that back too. The seller marked the power supply as brand new which is a lie. eBay customer protection covers that. CPU seller did not mention any of the damage which is a misleading post. eBay customer protection covers that.

@@simonebaraldi9440 maybe. Fear-mongering is kind of a strong term but it gets my point across for people that are already afraid buying used parts.

Honestly that workload is fine. It's steady, and depending on their storage and ambient temp it might be safer than it coming from some user in Montana who is fluctuating between room ambient (cold as hell) and 80c. I have bought gpus knowing that they were mining cards and had zero issues. My trusty 1060ti

People who leave their PCs running AFK in game main menus churning out 200 FPS doing nothing put an even greater load on the poor GPU than GPU mining does.

Same here, it´s the golden rule. It´s like you buy a car and don´t test drive it.

Well, if it makes you feel better my bud dropped my New March 16' R5 1600x. Bent about 70%+ of the pins. It's never had a problem on an an H60 Corsair @4-4.2ghz alll these yrs. Easily best CPU I've ever purchased for price/perf/longevity. Matches or very slightly beats single+threaded perf of R5 2700x. Silicone lotto or did the pins help?..….

@@garrett3540 lottery m8 i still Have a working FM2 x4 760k @4.7gh all core. But I like AMDs design more you can fix it most of the time and it wont melt if you sneeze on it.

My experience as well. PayPal on the other hand backs the seller almost all the time.

@@kencreppin2146 I sell second hand IT stuff and if a buyer wants his money back after using a product for 179 days, Paypal will 100% refund them their money without them even returning the item for me to check...

@@kencreppin2146 sellers would disagree!

@@kencreppin2146 You are literally shot the buyer is backed up and will win EVERY time unless you clearly said something that makes it clear that you are trying to pull a scam or didn't read the description right. This isn't an opinion, its a fact.

I would prefer he stick to what he does, and stay away from the used stuff. You want used stuff, watch LTT. I like that Jay doesn't dawdle in used. Gets a better idea of what you can expect when you are someone that refuses to buy used parts. And this video is a perfect example for that

Same I bought a 1070 about 4 years ago and it was used for a week and got it for $400. This time got a 2080 for $255 and zero issues with it. Honestly I'm one that buys pc parts 1 or 2 gens out as its much cheaper for me. Since I'm running the 2080 on a old 4690k I bough back in 2015 figured I would upgrade to a 10700k that I can get for about $200ish low-end. A MSI MPG z490 for about $100 bucks and if I want i can upgrade to a 11700k when it gets even cheaper. Then finally only because I like a ton of Ram 64gb corsair Vengeance and yea that one I'm buying new as Jay said in the video its so cheap. Don't need anything else as I'm bringing all my old parts and case with me and built a new pc that was a beast 3 years ago for only $400 bucks. I'm too old to care about the pc race anymore and don't mind buying used so I can get higher end parts that were beasts in their day which for me is usually 2-4 years ago

Thats pretty cool

Same

How dare you, this out of touch KZfaqr says to never buy used!!!

Nice! :)

Huh, and I though the new rx 6800xt taichi I got for 540$ was a good deal. congrats! 👍

@@MarcABrown-tt1fp £400 is like 500usd, so close. I just bought a 6900 for 650, and i've seen a bunch at that price or even less.

But there still might be a difference when you have your case in front of you. Just happened to me. On paper, everything fit perfectly. In reality? Not so much ... Never underestimate bulky hardware and psu cables ...

@@adoksym True, but that wasn't all that I considered. scrutinized the photos provided and used anything else provided by the manufacturer to make a final decision. Dimension was just a first parameter. If the case isn't deep enough then no amount of wishful thinking is going to make its volume larger.

the Seller will still lose. Ebay will always side with Buyer in most cases.

Yea I do that when I sell products on ebay so I know what I can get in funds

@@Exodus-sh5mq Yeah exactly. It is a brilliant idea so that you can sell fast, and if you were buying, understand how low sellers will sell for.

Yeah you can find used B550 for $75 dollars why buy old AX370

@@jaggsta Business/tax write off.

I've got some knockoff stuff and ebay doesn't even ask you to ship it back. but its knock-off, so.... lol

Millions of things are sold on eBay every day, this one guys experience is pointless. It made for a good youtube video, which was the only point, but you shouldn't draw any conclusions based on a handful of things one person bought specifically to make am exaggerated video for profit. If it was gonna be an honest video about the product received the thumbnail wouldn't be a clickbait picture of a hair like he's Gordon Ramsay or something.

No IO shield? Deal breaker! /s

used to do that but I think it was giving me a heart attack!

@@Born_Stellar refresh page refresh page refresh page check bid check bid check bid lol.

It's a good video aside from the number of times he brings up that "you're just out that money" you're not, you can't do a changed my mind return but faulty product is covered by the money back guarantee shown in the upper right corner of each listing. It wasn't sold as not working so he could have absolutely gotten his money back. Also it wasn't that long ago but uhhh 300 series boards are not the same generation as 3000 series processors, it was 300 boards to 1000 CPUs, 400 to 2000, and 500 to 3000. A couple brain farts on this one for Mr TwoCents

This schmuck can't even buy cpu used , how he can teach anyone ?

This. As long as the listing said the CPU worked, no damage, whatever, the buyer will likely get a return approved by ebay.

I was dumb and also but an AMD CPU with one missing Pin but because I had it laying around , waiting for my other parts to come , the 30 day protection expired and could do nothing about it

Ebay and pay pal will ALWAYS give you a refund or accept a return if the item comes not as described. Same with Mercari. A smart used shopper can get everything done at MUCH higher of a discount than Jay Got by going to different websites and buying different products from different people.

Most companies offer warranty be serial number so used items still have warranty if they're not too old. And in my country it is legally required that the warranty be on the product not the original purchaser

​@@christianmino4073 As decribed is the key, many people hate reading or lack enough basic comprehension to spot the details so they get caught out. "As is" or "As pictured"(and not being a clear enough pic or at the right angle can be delivered completely toasted and not be eligible for a refund because the description didn't say it was tested or funtional.

Exactly, if the ad doesn't show the pins, you contact the seller and ask for a pic. If they don't comply, move on. Easy peasy. Jay seriously doesn't know how to use ebay correctly.

​@@dragon2knight I think doing it this way is more indicative of how somebody without a lot of experience would go about it. Noone who doesn't have experience with computers would know to think about or ask these questions so I think this is a fair way to go about it even if I would never do it myself personally. You can say somebody should be more educated or whatever angle you want to hit it from but that's usually not the reality and people just get stuff and learn from mistakes rather than heavy duty research.

@@dragon2knight No. If the ad doesn't show the pins, you don't even waste your time contacting the seller. You immediately move on. A seller who doesn't know enough about what they're selling to take the appropriate pictures isn't worth bothering with. Time matters too. You're sitting there waiting to see if you get a response while I've already found a better listing with the right pictures and bought it.

@@mjc0961 It depends on their feedback to me. If they have good feedback, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and contact them, if the feedback is low I'll just move on.

Same. Mercari has been recently been the cheapest place for me.

I rep the cheap Xeon boards and Iceman coolers on Aliexpress to my friends for cheap builds.

Update: I did do that. The Lancool 216 is so much better.

The Amazon warehouse deals (open box) has been getting worse and worse through the years. I prefer a well documented eBay listing these days over the random crap that can be received from Amazon.

Amazon and Best Buy open box are great. Newegg open box is like playing Russian Roulette: you're playing a dangerous game if something is wrong. There's an entire Gamer's Nexus saga documenting the scumbag company and how they used consumers to get out of the losses of defective or damaged items.

Working vs not working should be a good case of "not as described" IMO

@@rustyclark2356 the 6600 XT was for my partner 😄 But yeah, I own a 3080 on my personal rig and I gotta say I barely use the RTX features from the games I play kekw so that's why I just decided to get her a Radeon. Gotta say I made the right purchasing decision. Btw, where can I get those DLSS to FSR mods?

@@Itbankrock I think there is one FSR mod in steam.