We didn’t lose to the lie. We were losing anyway. I just didn’t understand why he lied when he didn’t need to lol.

If giving my opponent the advantage by giving them insight to my position in the game is consider unsportsmanlike then so be it. Never have I seen a game where people think you are obligated to give them the opportunity to beat you by telling them exactly what you’re about to do, in a game where information collecting is a privilege and not mandatory is insane. The salt is real. You’re supposed to win based on your skill, not based on your opponent giving you a heads up that they’re about to win so you know how exactly how to stop them. The same people who think this is ok are the same people that cheat in video games. The entitlement is real 😂

If we played competitive werewolf or secret hitler would we ever have these conversations? Its silly to me, hidden information is part of the game, if you always believe your opponents in a game of deception you are the fool, the same applies here.

It’s cedh if it’s a paid tournament and, big money is on the table. I’m trying to win and, deception is all part of that it’s your choice to believe me or not

This whole thing is ridiculous. The only mistake the guy made was apologizing after he won. Cedh just seems like a waste time if youre not supposed to win the game, but just play watered down politics for points in which you can only use mild deception but not lie outright. Like where do you draw the line?

“I ain’t got no win “ - sounds like you should check their graveyard, cards in play , number in hand , exile , etc, then ask yourself- should I give my opponent seven ( 7 ) extra mana by not sacrificing these treasures ?

I went into this thinking that by "lying," you meant intentionally giving false information about the game such as the number of treasure Dockside would've made from a board or replying "no" to a question of "Do you have Underworld Breach in your graveyard?" If somebody says "I'm not going to win" or "I'm not playing to win," you roll your eyes and write that off as them trying to garner pity. If I'm playing a competitive game, I'm never going to listen to what a player says about what they're going to do.

Define a little bit of deception when compared to lying. I’ll wait. Regardless, the player did nothing wrong.

Deceiving about intent is a key to victory. Having a good poker face and distracting patter are high level skills. Nothing wrong with this at all.

Does the hidden info section of the rules also mean uou can't freely reveal a card from your hand?

The same community glazing people for politicking got mad someone won a game that they didn’t know. I’ve played competitive magic for a long time and all these higher level players just get salty when a “rando” wins

i thought this was about misrepresenting the gamestate or something, but i dont see whats bad here. If my opponent asks me a question, OF COURSE im going to lie, why should i tell my opponent any hidden information i have?

The answer is no because then you get branded as a liar Same reason why you don’t sandbag certain people

Make your decisions based on game state, not what the player says. If you are influenced by what they say, then you are just asking for it, and deserve to lose.

I had a similar game at a 67 person tourney. Guy was trying to resolve a d tutor saying he was going to get something to stop another player from winning, and instead grabbed his win instead. Said wasn’t going for win. Told the guy hope I never play you again competitively or casually.

Every single cEDH game I've ever played involves lies about things like intent. Do these people expect others to be completely transparent about their game plan? That's absurd.

I agree with you that this is a small profit in a short run but long turn you will end up on peopls black list where they don't trust you anymore. Like I think this will push some people to creat a online black list. He didn't brok any rules he is allowed to do this we should not hate him for doing this. We should simply not trust him. We can have all opinions on how people should play this game and such but it is a free world and people can choose to play as however they want. Ofc there are exceptions like bad sportsmanship and cheating. But I would argue this is neither.

The problem with assuming people won't lie because of social credit is some people really don't care about it or future tournaments. Especially if it's someone that doesn't really play in many events to begin with or doesn't have a big social presence in the community. Personally I think the whole drama and situation is silly. It happened and it is what it is. Idk why you wouldn't stop a silence effect post dockside and with a sevinnes & breach in grave if you could. Players can try to remember the person's name/handle but at the end of the day people need to be wary and less naive when it comes to people lying in cedh in general.

Get that blacklist ready

Soft players. Lol this is mtg not Pokémon

Lying isn’t against the rules. Get over it.

CEDH is a small enough community that outright "lying" is usually enough of its own punishment in the long term. Sure, you can win a low-stakes game or two, and maybe even go deep in a random tournament. But you'll build a negative reputation of distrust that's almost impossible to wash away. At best you'll push away potential friends, at worst you'll become the "default archenemy" when other players know your reputation. This entire issue can be avoided by just a slight change in wording. Simply put - NEVER directly answer questions about whether you are about to win the game. Just give a non-answer and force people to write their own conclusions. "Are you about to win?" "Hey, no complaints from me if I can somehow flip into a win, but right now that Tivit player over there is at the top of my worry list."

“Attack on cardboard” copied part of your script bro

I don't play cEDH that much, but I just would treat as just regular 1x1 with minimal politics as possible. Lying isn't great, but that question was wrong in the first place. They should have assumed something bad would happen with that play independently of the answer. It wasn't trust that got broke, but it was their greed that bit them in the ass. Sure that liar should get some consequences for this, but the asking person was fishing for advantage as well and instead of analyzing the situation as a real competitive game, he allowed to be played. The liar could have responded that differently, like vaguely. However, he sensed the greed from the players, took the opportunity given to him, and threw a blatant lie to see if they play themselves (it could have been easily checked from that board state). I'd say don't lie as much as possible, but with money/prize on the line, this type of lie is fair game. Lies are only effective if done sparely.